The Last Hackintosh?

[@cyclonous6240]

I found your channel while searching for Hackintosh for my R5 1600 four years ago. I'm still subscribed because of quality content.

[@snazzy]

Thanks so much!

[@AJ_UK_LIVE]

I'm pretty sure I found this channel because of hackintosh searches also.

[@gillesvanleeuwen]

Same. Stay snazzy

[@ChristianRogers3]

@@AJ_UK_LIVE yeah the Mac mini hackintosh for me

[@AJ_UK_LIVE]

@@ChristianRogers3 It was a really fun time. I loved trying to get things to work that really shouldn't have worked.

[@ansonx10]

If anyone is curious, TRS stands for "tip, ring, sleeve" referring to the 3 conductors on a headphone jack. If it has an in-line mic, it will have a 4th connector which is a 2nd "ring" and it's called "TRRS"

[@BryceCassagneres]

And then TRRRS connectors exist for balanced L/R signals

[@undivided_unified]

not all hero's wear capes!

[@JB-fh1bb]

Also: Because Apple is Apple, a TRRS headset may not work in a TRRS jack. Apple has their own custom TRRS spec. 😑

[@5urg3x]

If anyone is curious, "CRS" stands for "Can't Remember Sh*t" and it's a very common disorder that I often suffer from

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

There's also TS when there aren't any rings. For unbalanced mono signals, like a guitar cable.

[@sssloe]

The new OpenCore (0.7.6) is said to bring support for the 12th gen CPUs, even the efficiency cores. So probably one last iteration of support over there.

[@snazzy]

No iGPU support, however. Just like AMD chips.

[@aksting]

@@snazzy 😥😪

[@avieshek]

@@snazzy Then don't use an iGPU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ pair it against the Max-variant then.

[@mau5atron]

lmao nah, you’re forgetting there’s 50k Mac Pros out there from 2 years ago that run intel + millions MacBook pros running intel as well. I’d say another 6-8 years of support. Otherwise you’re just supporting e-waste.

[@mau5atron]

You’re also forgetting it’s just a heavily modified BSD under the hood anyways. As long as there’s developers that can figure out workarounds, Intel/Amd should be supported go forward.

[@vmpgsc]

I converted my Hackintosh to Win10 a couple of years ago. I've thought about making another one but Apple silicon is too compelling and Hackintoshing is too complex.

[@snazzy]

Yep.

[@futur3sn0w]

This sums it all up pretty much.

[@R.e.o584]

Not too complex if you build a pc with an hackintosh in mind

[@NoobixCube]

@@R.e.o584 Tracking down specific Hackintosh compatible parts in this current market is a hell of a task, though. What do we give it, another six months? A year? When will the chip shortage and supply chain issues end? Will prices ever fall again, or have we just given Intel and NVidia proof that we'll pay anything they ask?

[@vmpgsc]

@@R.e.o584 Oh I did that. But kext updates, USB mapping, system updates, etc, were a pain the a$$. I am not a coder nor do I want to be. I want my systems to work so I can work.

[@addisoncox5960]

I started watching 4 years ago when I was obsessed with the idea of building a hackintosh. You gained a lifelong viewer through the quality and comedy in your videos!

[@snazzy]

Thanks so much, Addison! Glad to have you!

[@sauravchhabra840]

@@snazzy hey, why didn’t you try to use the ryzen 5 5600g ? As you said, open core works better on ryzen right?

[@BryceCassagneres]

@@sauravchhabra840 But he also said that AMD-Hackintosh builds suffer from more day-to-day feature problems that often get left out of build guides.

[@empedance1933]

@@sauravchhabra840 itd probably work if you had a dedicated pcie AMD gpu, but unfortunately none of AMDs built in APU graphics work

[@george.austin.miller]

That fold yourself computer case is a super cool concept! It's a shame it's so flimsy and overpriced.

[@snazzy]

Indeed.

[@linkndark]

Yes, indeed a shame. But I would anyway not have the use case for a small PC case. However…. if they would make a similarly designed case specifically for the Raspberry Pi and the space for 2 or 3 hard disks and add a bit more options for modularity, that would be really sweet! I am planning to build a Raspberry Pi NAS at some point, but I am not very happy with the case options already there. Teenage Engineering coupled with Raspberry Pi ecosystem would be a match made in heaven.

[@patrickdoty5534]

@@snazzy If you are just folding it the same way they instruct you to do so, how are buyers any different then sweatshop laborers? Except they paid 200$ for the privilege. Maybe if I could send them specs for the case, then I build something new according to my design, it would be worth it. They could have an online case designer with template parts that would make it easy and personal.

[@BryceCassagneres]

@@linkndark TBH, it probably wouldn't be too hard to make one yourself. Just get some thin aluminum and an angle grinder and you could fab your own.

[@JB-fh1bb]

@@snazzy Maybe buy two of them and fuse the panels together so they’re double thick? 🤣😭

[@MrJonas2255]

That case is such a "great idea, awful execution" scenario

[@snazzy]

It is.

[@chrisva4268]

@@snazzy Teenage Engineering constantly amazes me with their ability to go with aesthetics based off simplicity that end up just coming off as cheap, then charging an arm and a leg for them. The Pocket Operators are an excellent example of this, they're super simple but end up looking more like throw-away packaging from Five Below. It's a shame because some of their stuff truly follows classic aesthetics like those from Braun and Dieter Rams, but is let down by its quality.

[@firesurfer]

@@snazzy They need to redo the folds. Too many holes too close together. Also make a couple of sizes that can take a GPU.

[@red13emerald]

@@chrisva4268 But, unlike this stupidly bad case, the pocket operators are very well thought out and have a great price point, too. Same for the OP-1. OP-Z is a different story, I don't know if they fixed their manufacturing problems there, and the PO Modulars are quite shitty as well.

[@SianaGearz]

I'm not convinced that the idea is great enough to warrant a good execution. The idea that you should be able to fold it together like papercraft is very much at odds with the idea of it being robust and conveying trustworthiness.

[@krebsgewehr]

It makes sense that these were going to start going away. Just for ease of use, size, pretty much everything, the mac mini is crazy awesome right now.

[@FlorianWendelborn]

Not just that, it’ll also be very hard to hackintosh once ARM is the only supported architecture.

[@HearMeLearn]

@@FlorianWendelborn at least until Qualcomm starts making chips competitive with desktop Apple silicon. Whether they’re there yet or not you know they’re working on it

[@chickenpasta7359]

@@HearMeLearn maybe but I'm pretty sure because of Apple's T2 nonsense being integrated into their ARM chips it may take a lot longer

[@eloiseallaway4928]

@@HearMeLearn Apple is changing the kernel to not be dawin based for arm, making it very difficult to hackintosh as no open source base exists to use. Hackintosh projects use this heavily because you need something that can be modified to work with other hardware that interfaces with the closed source OS.

[@krebsgewehr]

@@FlorianWendelborn It's one of those "benefits" of making the hardware and the software people keep talking about.

[@deurkl]

I just put an external SSD next to the Mac mini. Is this strange? Quinn makes it sound like you really need to upgrade the internal storage, but so far it's working fine for me.

[@Bleachanna]

exactly what I do. I got a returned 512 model for the price of the base model though.

[@CocoaEm]

Well, that would be slower than the internal ssd.

[@Bleachanna]

@@CocoaEm it is but it's not enough to notice at all when running an app off it.

[@SimmySaiyuki]

256GB isn't quite convenient when you do adobe creative cloud , 3d modeling and Xcode in one computer

[@volvo09]

Guess it depends upon your use case. Average use like i'd be doing, external wins. I can see where someone would need the onboard storage, but a nice fast external SSD would be my choice anyways, it isn't soldered to the board.

[@TaureanSmoke]

Wow literally the only person on KZbin that will give an honest review about Apple products nobody talks about any of the shortcomings Apple has and they're very many of them.

[@J.Millhouse]

I love Teenage Engineering’s synths. They’re robust and beautiful and chock-full of great features. Shame the design arm seems to cut corners like this :(

[@made.online2149]

just wait until you learn how much of a markup you're paying on an op-1

[@whateverrandomnumber]

Apple's pricing on memory and storage is ridiculous. And remember neither of those are upgradeable anymore in the M1. I built myself a hackintosh "the easy way": with a VM and pass through VGA and a discrete USB card. Apples to apples (core count and frequency, memory, GPU etc) it's an iMac Pro for one third the price. It still has a few unfixable issues though, like minor issues with sound (even with a USB speaker), keyboard and mouse never worked in bootloader unless plugged in and so on.

[@charlesjmouse]

The move to 'Apple Silicon' certainly seems to be a mostly good thing. Of course soldering SSD's direct to the main board is a crime against humanity Apple persists in committing, and there can be no doubt Apple's habit of skimping on cooling persists... ...in 1-3 years when these machines are full of dust-bunnies it remains to be seen if old problems resurface: Horrendous throttling, chronic overheating resulting in damaged silicon, and the old favourite - overheated IC's de-soldering themselves.

[@SailBuddha]

How do they get dust in them when the fan never turns on, lol

[@klausstock8020]

How do they get dust in them if Apple insists that you have to upgrade to a new machine every 18 months?

[@fila1445]

Non upgradable ram in PRO line of laptops is a crime as well But they’ve been doing this for almost a decade now…

[@klausstock8020]

@@fila1445 It began after Steve Jobs found out that people performed RAM upgrades on the Apple 2, without his approval. Never ever again would an Apple be upgradable. The engineers at Apple found that disturbing. What if the user needs more RAM than Apple offers? Jobs replied something along the lines that they should throw their Apple into a garbage bin and buy the next model. Regardless, an engineer snuck in a secret RAM upgrade option onto the first Macintosh's mainboard. Jobs found out, bit the engineer lies and told him that it was some 'interface for testing'. Oh, these snraky bastards! Well, Jobs is dead now, but his spirit definitely lives on

[@raycert07]

@@SailBuddha the fans do turn on, just not very fast. Even no fans in a chassis with vents will get dusty, and these things SUCK to open. Most would rather get a new device than risk breaking an old one to clean it.

[@bradhaines3142]

id rather have 16gb ram than upgrade storage. can always plug in external if you want more, cant plug in external ram

[@CookieMonster-gg1ks]

I'd rather swim than have a boat. Can always swim off the coast, can't do the same with the boat. Does it make sense? No cause althou both are inside the water they are for different things.

[@bradhaines3142]

@@CookieMonster-gg1ks thats why i had a 2nd sentence there that you clearly didnt understand with youre completely off comparison

[@Rockband2991]

You can enable trim with a terminal command

[@itsy3h]

I built a “Nuc Mini” whenever that video came out and I’ve been enjoying that on MacOS since, IMO, the first time set up was a pain, but since, I’ve had minimal issues

[@deepzone31]

How is the OS upgrade process? Are you able to scale up as new ones come out or are you limited to a certain version of OSX?

[@richardwaters9284]

I also built a nuc mini due to that video, over the ensuing time I have moved it from clover to Opencore and am running the most recent release of Monterey. I cant say any upgrade was difficult and so far no issues.

[@itsy3h]

@@deepzone31 able to update fairly easily, just need to update plist, opencore version, etc. it’s more work than a stock Mac for sure, but not terribly difficult. I’ll say, the first time setting it up is a pain because you’re going in blind, but after that, you really start to understand what’s going on and there’s a very helpful community over on Reddit.

[@Garrettdx1988]

Quinn's an excellent presenter. He's like a cool college professor that you look forward to listening to. Which feels odd to say because I think I'm older than him lol

[@snazzy]

Haha thanks, Garrett!

[@KixPanganiban]

Thanks!

[@KixPanganiban]

I've been struggling to decide whether to get an M1 Mac Mini or Hackintosh my Ryzen PC over the past few days. After watching this video (and learning that Ryzen does not support Apple Hypervisor) I've finally decided. Thanks Quinn!

[@frankov_83]

You should have gone for more RAM instead of a 1TB SSD, you can always add storage later. I bought my mac mini in early 2021 with 16GB and man... haven't looked back since.

[@ExactApproachLOL]

Yeah, I couldn’t help but notice that he increases the storage twice to hit the $1100 mark instead of increasing the RAM and the storage just once. 512 gig ssd is reasonable for plenty of folks. The fact that the benchmarks looked this good for the M1 with 8gigs of ram vs an i9 casually given 32gigs… that’s all the praise I needed to hear for the M1.

[@AJ_UK_LIVE]

I have to say, using that SSD without TRIM will be an absolute disaster.

[@MadMaxBLD]

OpenCore can enforce TRIM on any SSD. Before OC we could enter a terminal command in macOS to enforce it.

[@AJ_UK_LIVE]

@@MadMaxBLD Interesting. TRIM is an absolute must. I remember not understanding SSDs at all in the early days. This was a rather surprising thing to learn.

[@justfortier]

I think I've built my last one too. It boggles my mind a bit since I've been doing it since about 2012, and honestly I'm still not sure I can dedicate myself to Apple that hardcore. I may switch back to linux since most of what I do is via terminal and browser these days. We'll see, my current hardware is not going anywhere for a couple more years, I guess we'll see how badass the M2s might be by then. :)

[@MartinPittBradley]

If people managed AMD Hackintoshes, it seems like someone will figure this out

[@snazzy]

Graphics are hard. No AMD APUs work and only supported GPUs by Apple work.

[@firesurfer]

Not gunna happen. Too much proprietary information about the raw software gpus use.

[@raycert07]

amd cpus can be used, one small issue though. no drivers for integrated graphics exist. a vega 11 in a hackintosh would be great, but will never happen.

[@willowpilled]

dang these comments aged like milk

[@blakryptonite1]

Should have gone with the 512GB and saved $200. External SSD's are a good choice for Mac mini because you don't have to move it as much.

[@ferretrayn1903]

Hi @Snazzy Labs, Just wanna say I gasped when you pushed over the hackintosh. Thanks. haha!

[@DeLewrh]

Teenage, my local homeboys. The design is almost Portal-esque - as in Aperture Science - with that orange

[@DMS3TV]

As cool as teenage engineering is, their crazy design oversights don't really surprise me after experiencing the ear(1) >__>

[@phenixnunlee372]

I was like yeah teenage engineering is always form or functions and they have to make them sleek for whatever. I personally think they are way overhyped.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Let‘s “thank” Apple for the not-that-great Mac Pro, this means Apple has to go on supporting an x86 variant of macOS for quite a few years to come.

[@Dave102693]

I give it 4 more years.

[@kirbycube]

give it less

[@snintendog]

@@Dave102693 yup Arm is headed right for PowerPCs fate already seeing the death throes that it started having. RISC just isnt made for long term performance. Its perfect for the 1 year and done crowd though.

[@avgguy7129]

Teenage engineering reminds of good ol days of Mechanix games. Building cool stuff with soft aluminum parts held by metal screws.

[@tiqo8549]

I've been hackintoshing for the last 12 years or so. I bought a M1 mac mini a while ago, i guess hackintosh days are over for me. ,,

[@Evie0133]

This actually brings me tears, I found this channel 4yrs ago from Quinn's Hackintosh video, and now the age of Hackintosh is basically dead. RIP.

[@ShinyTechThings]

Intel MBP's were originally designed as lap warmers.

[@Linkman-fm2in]

Don't forget the MBAs!

[@ankurthakur6424]

The best outro (ending) of any video I have recently watched on any channel. You are very comfortable and awesome in front of the camera. It is not irritating or embarrassing but just right and lovely.

[@sazman69864]

They just used sheet metal screws, you don’t need to tap sheet metal if using sheet metal screws (if they gave you machine screws that’s a different story). That’s not to take away from the obvious issues this case has, which sucks because TE usually does great things and I like the look of the case.

[@snazzy]

Their screws provided sucked. Threads were too tight to be workable as sheet metal screws.

[@MiIIenia]

Having used teenage engineering synthesizers, namely the OP-1 which is still a wonderful tool that commendably still gets important upgrades a decade later, and the pocket operators, while I like their designs still I feel like TE has been moving into a bad direction with overpricing and form way over function items. Even their merchandising has insane prices and I hope they move back into making useful items rather than cool to look at items

[@cakec9]

Wow. This is the end of an era. Awesome content man. Love love love it.

[@MauriceMercado]

My 2009 iMac just died...can I have that one?

[@martinjoyce779]

I got a reasonably specced PC from my internship this summer and I spent HOURS trying to hackintosh it. I couldn’t get it. You’re right, it’s a nightmare. Also, you’re my favorite KZbinr. Quality content as always.

[@LasstUnsSpielen]

Hackintoshing is not a nightmare. It just does not work the way you have tried it. If you buy compatible and tested parts, installing OS X on it is pretty straight forward.

[@BBWahoo]

Why not do ProxMox?

[@martinjoyce779]

@@BBWahoo what’s that?

[@toseltreps1101]

You know Quinn, as a seasoned Hackintosher, i have to say while the process was quite full of new experiences each and every time, Hackintoshes are not for people who need to 1. Get stuff done and/or 2. Have a family/friends/life. A Hackintosh is an enormous time sink and sadly i don't believe we have any of that to waste on endless tinkering.

[@RLfilmz]

Our business has been running hackintoshes as our main servers, render boxes and edit machines since 2013. If you do your research, it’s really not much different than any other computer. Even my fiance, who until recently couldn’t figure out use time machine, dailies a hackintosh and has had no issues in over a year. But yeah if you just slap together whatever parts and update the OS without knowing whats changed, then yeah, you’re gonna have a bad time.

[@mau5atron]

This is easily one of the worst takes on hackintoshes. I personally got drawn to MacOS for productivity purposes and continue to do so as a developer. Windows for gaming, Linux for server stuff, and MacOS for development. That’s my workflow and building a high spec hackintosh (I’m not talking about the gamer CPUs, i’m talking about anything with more than 40 pcie lanes and 64GB of ram) ensures I do it without compromises and easily upgrade able/replaceable components. A hackintosh can be a one and done deal, you have the freedom to tinker and waste time if that’s what you want or build something reliable. That’s up to you.

[@MrColmdonnelly]

@4:04 - bit of a correction there. Pro audio apps like logic pro and pro tools work absolutely fine on Ryzen (tested on big sur/monterey), and the issue seems to be specific to using certain machine IDs. I'm using logic pro on a Ryzen 3700x, and it works spectacularly, with excellent hardware acceleration, low sample packet size processing with low latency, and superb multicore handling (excluding the multicore handling bugs that have been present in every modern version of LPX, thanks Apple). No issues present at all in Pro Tools.

[@Twi66e]

I wanted this case so much when it was announced! I currently use a fractal R4 case and this would of looked so cool on my desk instead of hid underneath it 🙁

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

The case was made for form not function. I love the idea of the aviator switch for power. So much mine has one for power, and one for restart, with a key switch in series with the power so both have to be used. Starting up(on the rare occasion it's shutdown so that I have to start it up...) feels like sending off a nuke.

[@CapnSlipp]

So I guess we know why Amazon finally pulled the trigger on M1 Mac minis on AWS. Hardware cost may be higher, but not terribly so; will be paid back in time. Electricity costs & cooling costs, which are the real recurring costs for data centers, are super-cheap.

[@krazyfrog]

I like how Tony Northrup's photography book is just casually upside down on the shelf.

[@amoenus_dev]

I would be curious to see a Hackintosh build using virtualisation as a base. i.e. Proxmox with MacOS on top, as opposed to bare metal. I am under the impression that the compatibility and overall setup process is much better

[@EmeraldChickn]

Congratz to one million you beautiful beardy bastard!

[@icantgivecredit871]

Before M1, I built a budget Hackintosh containing a quad-core i3. (Yes, I know...) To my surprise, its single core speeds made it feel incredibly snappy; it felt entirely unlike any i3-based machine from Apple. Now that M1 is here and covers the low end, however, I no longer see any reason to build a low-end PC: one cannot beat the value of a $700 M1 mini. In fact, last I checked, a GPU with equivalent horsepower to that integrated into the M1 chips is already nearly $200 of that $700. It's a moot point, though, because it's true that the Hackintosh is on its way out - unless maybe we begin seeing ARMackintoshes popping up. (I'm proud of that name I coined.)

[@raycert07]

I don't know about your cpu claim here. My old i3 pc about matched the cpu performance of the m1, he spent way too much money on the cpu and no money on the gpu. He needed to get something like a rx 580 and an i3, 16gb of 3200 mhz ram, and it would easily beat the m1 mac in most cases. He could have saved a ton of money by not using gen 4 since 10th gen doesn't even use gen 4. He made a ton of mistakes in order to try and "match" the m1. It's obvious he's not a pc pro and never claimed to be, but I definitely think the budget of this could be lowered and the specs could be better matched.

[@icantgivecredit871]

@@raycert07 With used parts, you could definitely make a faster (albeit less efficient) computer. Maybe the moral of the story is to not buy a GPU or CPU at MSRP.

[@raycert07]

@@icantgivecredit871 not even used. Built my pc for well under 500$ with me providing storage and a case. Cpu is easy, 10th gen i3 matches the m1 or beats it. Gpu not sure but it's not actually that powerful, only compared to the Intel hd that's been used on the Intel cpus from 2015 to early 2021.

[@icantgivecredit871]

@@raycert07 On paper, the integrated GPU in the base M1 chip supposedly beats an RX 560. The CPU portion also definitely beats the 10th-gen i3, and the TDP is 39W.

[@raycert07]

@@icantgivecredit871 the i3 uses about 40 under load, ans the igpu is not as powerful as a 560. 560 as in gtx, but not rx.

[@WillCodeForViews]

Yep, i followed you originally because of the hackintosh content YEARS ago. Keep up the great work!

[@charleskrueger5523]

Get a normal case that fits a dGPU like RX 6600 at minimum, use an Alder Lake cpu and follow the tonymacx86 guide. Your performance will be much higher, for not that much extra money.

[@snazzy]

Say no to tonymac.

[@movieblues4614]

@@snazzy ?

[@tweakz_tech]

@@snazzy Tonymac has a big community when it comes to hackintoshes. Can you explain it?

[@undecimer]

@@snazzy why

[@C4103]

Tonymac tools contain lots of hackintosh scene open source projects included without credit

[@jesselioce]

Your hackintosh vids are what lured me to your channel

[@CalebKussmaul]

Hackintoshing will return when actually usable windows machines start shipping with arm processors.

[@benjaminlynch9958]

This is true, but sadly this is years away. nVidia will probably be our best hope for ARM powered Windows PC’s, but that’s a long term aspirational project for nVidia. Hard to see where this goes now that the nVidia-ARM acquisition is as good as dead. Plus, desktop ARM machines will be few and far between until Windows 11 has been ironed out with regards to ARM, and that’s not going to be quick or easy. Lastly, if we’re ultimately going to be dependent on nVidia for desktop ARM CPU’s, the cost-benefit equation supporting Hackintosh probably goes out the window. 👎🏼

[@spencercarruth9706]

@@benjaminlynch9958 If regulators in the US and UK continue going in the direction they are going, then the NVIDIA/ARM merger will not be allowed to happen, and for good reason.

[@andynormancx]

That is by no means guaranteed. Hackintoshes work now because macOS has support for the hardware or hardware close to the stuff on the Intel/AMD side. Those theoretically future ARM based non Apple machines won’t have the Apple GPUs and other hardware that the Macs will have and making macOS work at that point may not even be possible at all.

[@ashmakes21]

I built a Hacintosh this weekend, now installing ventura

[@TCOphox]

17:42 I think this shows you why Professional GPGPUs use HBM for memory instead of GDDR. For AI and Compute workloads at high performance it's easy for the GPGPU to get memory starved, so a solution like a unified SoC or HBM memory is prefferable where super high bandwidth and wide bus width is favourable.

[@Christopher-pe6zj]

I subscribed bc I know that hackintosh struggle... 2-3 days is not a joke.. and you end up with something that barely boots! Love it!

[@ephemer]

Appreciate the bonus review of the teenage engineering case for this. I had seriously considered checking it out but it seems like a total disaster.

[@ItsaB3AR]

Was this pre mac studio? My M1 Max Studio (base model) may be good to compare against a PC of the same price, although the results would probably be very similar.

[@Alexlfm]

I really like the OpenCore approach but I’m sure it’s a PIA to get running. Years ago in the Z97 days I went hard and used Ozmosis which was an efi boot loader that you would custom build for your exact board and then flash directly to the motherboard. It gave essentially 100% compatibility including thunderbolt on my gigabyte board and would run incremental dot releases no problem but it was a massive pain with setup. After that machine essentially reached EOL when OpenCore released instead of doing it again and hoping I could find another nice German fellow to help me out, I bailed and switched to a 2011 MacPro. The EFI approach works fantastic and is rock solid once done (because it’s not really emulation but rather translation) but it’s too much work for me, even as a CS grad. In some ways I’m sad to see the end of the intel and subsequently the hackintosh days but at least Apple is making reasonable hardware again with distinct advantages.

[@raycert07]

so you downgraded cpus? Z97 is a 2014 platform, 2011 mac pros were a 2006 platform. it might have more cores depending on your config, but they were slower per core. how was that machine at EOL when opencore released? you can probably transfer your install to opencore, and your machine wont just stop working, and stop functioning once a newer bootloader becomes the standard.

[@Alexlfm]

@@raycert07 Yes I didn’t want to move to OpenCore because of the headache of the setup. Also the fact that I upgraded to an AMD platform with an I Nvidia GPU where as before I was using intel with the iGPU and it just wasn’t worth it to me. The machine was only EOL for its secondary gaming purposes. The Mac Pro is a DP machine so 12 cores total in my case with an AMD 570 and 64GB ram. More of a lateral move for my video/photo editing use then an improvement but easier to manage. I never said that it was an upgrade. I was able to move to Mojave something I couldn’t do on the old Ozmosis machine due to the death of that project and incompatibility (and my not wanting to waste more time on it) but that was the only change I made. The same SSD actually worked perfect on the pro.

[@raycert07]

@@Alexlfm yes it may have 12 cores, but thats because it uses 2 old 6 core xeons that are linked together through a chipset. having this chipset has performance impacts. the amount of ram also does not matter if your hardware cant fully utilize it. and having more ram might actually make workloads slower due to your cpus needing to make memory copies to the other cpus ram controller because they communicate through a chipset, and the memory isnt shared. but i digress. the sdd might work fine, though iirc they only support up to sata 2 which will definitely limit the performance of the ssd.

[@EricParker]

Only sane way to run hackintosh nowadays in my experience is under QEMU like you showed in a previous video. You can run any CPU or network card you want (because you emulate a nic) and the compatibility is way better.

[@snazzy]

Agreed. Pretty cool.

[@EricParker]

@@snazzy Yeah. I tried OC a while ago and it's crazy complicated compared to clover.. Impressed you got it working.

[@iSamYTBackup]

just shove a m1 mac mini in that case and boom hackintosh

[@j.h.arnold]

„It‘s my last Hackintosh“. Fully agree, with the M1 Mac mini delivering what it does at ~$700 there‘s no point in spending the time and effort on shed-build. It also wallops just about any current PC at that pricepoint.

[@13StJimmy]

At the start of the pandemic I built a hackintosh (using clover) for about $6-700 (including a rx 580 for like $180😶) and while I’m glad I did it and it served it’s purpose, I think it’s time for a real mac. I wasn’t interested in any of the new macs at the time it’s all different this year even with a big price increase I haven’t been this drawn to MacBooks since I bought my last one in 2010!

[@user-sw1wq8lh2w]

I'd love a discussion about the larger industry impact of backing proprietary silicon only supported by a single mfg. I think this has such massive downsides that even at double the performance it's a massive loss for consumers.

[@seriouslycoolful]

I like how the case looks a lot, but something that flimsy costing that much is outrageous. At that price they couldn't add 1mm more thickness? I don't like the 'bend it yourself' gimmick either

[@firesurfer]

The main problem is not the thickness. There are too many cutouts, too close together. This makes it foldable, but that is it's own downfall.

[@DanDease]

Still the BEST channel for Hackintosh content online.

[@mitchjames9350]

Even with ARM I still see hackintosh still going on strong. Able to upgrade your storage and memory with out the Apple Tax is a blessing.

[@F1ZZAS]

Hey can you tell me the name of that red sound card(guess?) below your monitor?

[@Xeph0r]

Imagine if someone was able to reverse-engineer the M1 processors pinout to make custom pcbs with socketed storage and... maybe a pcie slot. i wonder if thats even possible.

[@Dave102693]

That would be a dream come true

[@m.l.9385]

And get their ass sued off by Apple....

[@barryobrien1890]

I found opencore really easy. I guess I was lucky. Now I run a Mac mini in a streaming mode, and run mac specific apps by quickly switching on my windows desktop, laptop or chromebook. It is really stable and can be easily shared amongst users.

[@jamesblezard8562]

How is 256gb hardly usable? What do people have on there computers that takes up so much space? Outside of storing lots of games, which people surely aren't doing on a Mac Mini, I haven't personally found a need for 100s of gigabytes of space.

[@ImpiantoFacile]

It depends on what you do: if you do any kind of video editing, you're gonna need a LOT of storage space, or simply to store photos, music, applications...

[@jamesblezard8562]

@@ImpiantoFacile Video editing sure you will need more, although external hard drives would do the job for much cheaper. Photos, music and applications are not going to require more than 256gb of storage. You can store all of your photos on iCloud for less than £1 a month and unless you have about 25 thousand songs downloaded you aren’t going need more than 256gb of space. For the vast majority of people 256gb is more than usable.

[@magenta_strk3720]

Audio engineers, video editors, software engineers, data hoarders etc.

[@jamesblezard8562]

@@magenta_strk3720 So like 1% of people that use computers.

[@TeodorLojewski]

@@jamesblezard8562 Boy are you wrong lmao

[@dennis288]

Excellent video! So well presented and technically Snazzy! cheers from Downunder..

[@roxics]

I get that Hackintosh doesn't make a lot of sense anymore, but how does the M1 stack up to this machine running Windows? Is there actually a benefit to running MacOS anymore? I used to build PCs from 1998-2010. From 2006-2010 I bought some used Macs to learn. Finally in 2010 I switched completely to Mac for my personal machines. OSX was more stable than Windows and there were more creative software options. Also Macs were still upgradable. You could swap HDDs, RAM, batteries, optical drives, and there were an assortment of ports. Plus they could dual boot Windows if need be. I’ve been a Mac user for 12 years now and over that time Apple machines have gotten less upgradable and the OS has become less stable. I have more crashes and lockups today then I ever did a decade ago. The focus has also shifted from the creative community and education market to being more a high end fashion technology brand that sells flashy disposable gadgets. So even if they have gotten more powerful with the new M1 chips, is there still a benefit for me and people like me to be a Mac user? Assuming that we’ve already gotten to the point where most of us had plenty of computer power years ago to do what we need to do. That we don’t need to render that video 30 seconds faster, because it really doesn’t matter that much for most of us.

[@riodweber]

I hope you keep making Hackintosh videos!! Don’t let this be the last. (Daily Hackintosh driver)

[@vshnv_c]

the lengths people will go just to avoid using Windows OS

[@gtPacheko]

Yes, because it's shit. Linux is better than MacOS, but MacOS is still nice.

[@vshnv_c]

@@gtPacheko linux lacks support for any major software used by 90% professionals in the industry. Its good for a programmer or a developer, but practically useless for a designer or an editor. It lacks any utility features that’s gonna be used by mass public and requires an extensive crash course to execute some of the most basic tasks. Its not an OS that can be used easily by mass public, so I don’t know how is it better than Windows, let alone MacOS?

[@pupperemeritus9189]

@@vshnv_c someone has to jump ship first for linux to get noticed on the consumer stage. only then software support will come. and linux ecosystems as a whole will have far better longevity due to the open source nature of it. once linux gains dominance it'll be impossible to any other company to trump their success without they themselves making an open source OS since nothing beats the development rate of a large open source project.

[@vshnv_c]

@@pupperemeritus9189 Android is an Open Source project, built on linux, and it is far from perfect. The only reason it has market dominance is because it comes pre installed on cheapest hardware you can find. Open source is terrible for targeted optimisation, personal security as the entire code of the OS is available to the public its also much easier to exploit it. Linux has been around as long as any other OS, yet its not even catching to a fraction of the mass user market, and no stat shows it’s otherwise growth. I feel some people just unnecessarily advocate Linux just to sound edgy 😂. It sure has its perks, but jesus f christ it is far from an ideal OS for a mass market. It’s practically the Windows Mobile Os of the desktop market.

[@pupperemeritus9189]

@@vshnv_c i wasn't saying linux is good for mass market right now. but if and when linux gets better for mass market adoption, it will be very hard to displace since it will evolve at a pace that no single company can replicate. open source projects work very much like natural selection in that if it doesnt solve the problems of atleast some people, that project will either be something like a personal project or evolve very quickly into a flourishing project that is developing at rocket speed.

[@Aaron48219]

Actually have a triple boot Hackintosh running Mac, Win7 and Manjaro Linux, all off a single drive. It was a GIANT pita to get it to work. I couldn't get video card drivers to work, gave up and threw it in the closet...about six years ago. I forgot about until this came up in my feed.

[@MarcosRavena]

I just love the shape of the Obscene Tangerine. It seems like those machines found in sci-fi/dystopian future movies from the 80's. Which I call the old future. It's very good to see your honest opinion about Macs and their new future with Apple silicone. Not so bad opinion, but not so fanboy opinion. Even as an Apple fanboy, I like it! Thanks for sharing this experience with us!

[@lefizz55]

You didn't realise we are living in a dystopian future? Certainly feels like that to me

[@IzzyIkigai]

I think what many people don't realise is how important hackintosh's are for software testing and building, especially the automation of it. Hackintosh as a concept for end users might be dead, but lives on for those who don't want to spend an obscene amount of money on a machine they'll never really use apart from as a dumb build bot.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

I think it's really important to hit on how much worse the apple chips can be when something is NOT designed specifically for it. That new LTT video for example, shows that sure when a program has specific support built around apple chips it can do well, but when it's most other programs the graphics get FAR worse.

[@snazzy]

True, but as Apple pushes everything to ARM, the majority of apps are adding specific support for these chips.

[@headcaver]

i do the opposite and install windows on my macbook pros. Bootcamp was prone to shitting itself randomly. So glad i'll never have to see the mac interface ever again!

[@sheldonkupa9120]

Yeah man, good insight. I expect Apple to improve their silicon even more, and hackintosh will remain a niche for ppl of the "since we can" sort of life. Like me😆 Honestly, I am excited more about linux coming to Apple silicon! Thats the day I will buy a mini or an airbook again. Still use my 2012 airbook with Pop OS and love it.

[@osxdude]

Thank you for the foley of the Mac mini falling and Obscene Tangerine being pushed over

[@dil6969]

I'll curse Apple's anti-repair practices until the day I die, but when I went shopping for a laptop, the M1 chips made it a no-brainer. Unless you have a very specific piece of software you need to run that's windows-only, they're actually considerably better value than a lot of windows machines out there, especially when you factor in overall build quality and display quality. The lack of ports does suck though.

[@volvo09]

In a laptop there is no question... Power consumption wins, especially when you don't have to chose "crawling slow" to get low power consumption.

[@AhmedEsslaoui]

this Outro Music should be on all Snazzy Labs videos, it is Perfect!

[@manojgail]

While M1 is impressive, no doubt. Much of its single core performance emnates from the fact that it is based on cutting edge 5 nm process compared to Intel 10950K and most other modern CPUs are still stuck at 14nm. Intel is improving now so that gap is only gonna shrink. Second important thing is M1 packs special hardware accelerators for certain workloads which x86 architecture CPUs dont as of now. Maybe that will change soon.

[@C4103]

I started building hackintoshes for music / pro audio purposes. In some instances, it actually makes sense to still have at least one hackintosh around in a studio. A lot of audio hardware is expensive. As long as you get something with good analog specs and it doesn't break, you're not going to be upgrading your audio interface very frequently. The digital connection from the interface to the computer is usually quickly outdated, but the interface itself could function for quite a long time after that. This is also not mentioning that the manufacturer of your audio interface could decide to stop making updated drivers for whatever reason. Having a hackintosh in the studio that can run a wide range of Mac OS versions but also have the versatility of PCI express is quite valuable, and I have a feeling it will be for some time. Yes, Thunderbolt dongles exist, but you often have to daisy chain a couple them to get the connection that you want. For example if you need Firewire and you have a modern Mac, you have to go from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 and then to Firewire. Using this many dongles is just asking for trouble when it comes to an audio device, and using a direct PCI express card Firewire controller is much more reliable. In my case, I have a MIDI control surface, the M-Audio ProjectMix I/O. This device is an 8 channel audio interface but also a full control surface with motorized faders. The closest modern equivalent is the Mackie MCU Pro which is $1300. I paid $800 for the ProjectMix in around 2009. It still technically functions today and works with custom drivers up to Mac OS 10.11. One of the hackintosh systems in my studio is meant entirely for taking devices like this (including an old USB interface) and serving up the MIDI (and audio if I wanted) across my home network to other computers. However, I think the day may have come where my DAW computer will stop being a hackintosh and I will replace it with an Apple Silicon machine. Since I only need Thunderbolt 2 on that machine, I'll only have to use 1 tier of dongle.

[@michaelch5060]

You'll also need to add the $200.00 for the case to the Intel Build making $1294.64 not $1094.64 and putting the price a good bit over the Mac Mini. Thanks for sharing.

[@independentmind1977]

My M1 Mini is an awesome machine. Coming from a PC background in a photo editing environment this thing runs circles around almost everything I’ve owned. And I know I can trade my machine back to Apple and get a newer generation Mini at a massive discount. You can’t beat that man! Gaming support sucks but I have faith

[@ufoformdad5845]

16g ram + 256g SSD + external SSD will be more reasonable for Mac mini.

[@vsuperbhat]

I have never used a Mac before, so curious to know can you install softwares directly onto the external SSD ?

[@Noaddedsalt01]

@@vsuperbhat yes you can, if an app is in a DMG from downloading you can drag it to the SSD folder instead of the applications folder and open it from there

[@vsuperbhat]

@@Noaddedsalt01 thanks for explaining 😊👍🏼

[@CriticalTechReviews]

That case is the embodiment of why I DO NOT and HAVE NEVER paid money for a case. That heap is the most ridiculous hubris soaked crap I've ever seen since the butterfly macs. Fitting to make a hackintosh inside it. I make my own from scratch, or I modify an existing old ewaste one. They're much smaller and have better airflow when I build myself, but it's fun to hack up an old little prebuilt midtower to accept multiple GPUs, disks, and radiators. The entire front is radiator on the most recent one. It's awesome.

[@DavidMalcolm]

Honestly, the M1 is amazing for who it is marketed for. And real people don't sit around running benchmarks all the time. For office work, it's going to blow past any similarly priced Windows PC. (And no most people don't need 1TB, Apple already buys up like half the world's supply of NAND flash they don't need to waste it on their entry-level computers who are going to be sold to people who can just as easily buy an external HDD or SSD if they eventually need more storage which they probably won't.) For the tests that it didn't do well, I suspect we'll see an Mac mini Pro or something that will have twice the performance cores and be a much closer match and it'll still be in that price range if you don't give it more SSD than it needs. (Sadly I suspect it'll be announced after all the desktop users buy iMac Pros). Apple has already sold a ton of M1 minis to server farms and I suspect they'll sell a lot more once they offer M1 Pro and M1 Max in the mini (heck maybe they'll even do a dual Pro option.) I think it's actually really cool what Apple has been doing with the M1 line of computers. The Air is actually just as fast as the Pro for a lot of things, and when the M2 comes out it'll be available to give non-pros just as fast of an experience as the Pros get, but the Pros will need to buy chips that allow more parallelism. It's kinda crazy but it's a lot more equitable than things have ever been on the Intel side of things.

[@stickwithit]

Used to have a windows/hack machine I built in 2015. It stood the test of time until one day it wouldn't boot! I was able to recover my data, but I opted to go windows only and pick up a 2015 MacBook pro, which is still a beast of a machine for finalcut and logic pro sessions. I thought I would miss the hackintosh a bit more, but I find that the lack of headache and overall stability of having dedicated hardware is totally worth it.

[@Grycia]

God, I love the look of this case

[@Grahamaan27]

Why?

[@Grycia]

@@Grahamaan27 look at it. It's colorful. It's minimalistic. What more from looks standpoint can you ask for?

[@xasmaniusvolk8416]

17:09 in the 32-bit applications, my old sempron potato puts the M1 to shame lel

[@5urg3x]

My guess is the affinity photo benchmark outperforms the AMD dGPU because the developer specifically optimized their code for metal and M1, and not AMD. In cases where you’ve got cross platform optimization, like for example, redshift renderer with cinema4d, even an older NVidia mobile dGPU completely destroys the M1 Max. And Apple specifically touts redshift as being optimized for M1 & metal on their own website 🤷‍♂️

[@Spo8]

I about spit out my drink when you revealed that this flat packed sheet metal thing that you had to painstakingly assemble yourself cost more than nearly every top of the line PC case.

[@fargerich]

I consider myself an Apple hater, I hate their interface, their walled garden ecosystem, their business practices and the stick up the hardcore Apple fanboy ass. Nevertheless I've been subscribed to Quinns channel for quite while now and I watch almost every video he puts out. Keep it up man, quality knows no borders!

[@snazzy]

Thanks, Federico!

[@morganahoff2242]

9:21 TRS stands for Tip, Ring, Sleeve, identifying the parts of the plug, originally a 1/4" plug used for telephony, back in the day of switchboard operators. There is sadly no standard for which is L and R, but the Sleeve is aways common. A little remnant of old technology, so you appreciate the world of standardization and instant gratification you grew up in.

[@unknownbattlegrounds1996]

I think it would have been fair to compare the M1 mac to an Intel 11th gen cpu and not a 10th gen one... Apple wouldn't have switched over to M1 if it's Intel 10th gen Macs were better

[@nimoy007]

The difference between 10th and 11th gen is laughable.

[@unknownbattlegrounds1996]

@@nimoy007 eh no. 11th gen actually managed to beat Ryzen in some areas but its power consumption was so ridiculously high that it just wasn't worth it. ( especially on a laptop)

[@boxlightbox]

I’m a huge TE fan and still kinda want their computer case but this poured some clearly much needed cold water on that dream.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

This may be the last Hackintosh FOR YOU....but someone (lots) will try building Alder Lake and future High-end AMD versions to see (Prove) that Monterey (or its successor still capable of running on an Intel Cheese Grater) will outperform next-gen MacBook Pros....( I suspect that future "headless" Pro-Level Macs will be untouchable).... Anyway, I believe it's a useless exercise but at least they'll have a fast Window 11 machine...so their efforts won't go to complete waste

[@Grahamaan27]

Will alder lake get proper support?

[@tienenaar2295]

The level of dedication you go trough, putting a snow filter layer into the windscreen :p Another great video like we get used to!

[@snazzy]

Hahahahaha thank you!

[@Grahamaan27]

I built an alder lake desktop for less money than this and is significantly faster. I only say this because you are using 2 year old Intel tech vs 1 year old apple tech. 11th or 12th gen would really make a huge difference for no more money

[@snazzy]

Watch the video, please. First of all, 11th gen sucks. Yes, 12th gen would be more performance but it’s not fully Hackintosh compatible and the cost of even the lowest end GPU would push things WAY over budget.

[@thomasanderson5929]

@@snazzy Just man up and do a proper Alder Lake hackintosh. Get a cheap 6600 XT if need be. Quit stalling, you know Alder Lake is a monster of a CPU.

[@NVAfilm]

Ha!!! 15:52 You are wrong I watch all video in portrait mode.