The 2024 Ultimate Browser Tier List

[@jonaharagon]

👋 *hey there, enjoy this content? consider becoming a channel member:* kzbin.info/door/HdoOrwo__5kf2qXwdyVdwwjoin *My overall recommendation* would be to choose both an "S Tier" browser for your general, non-personal internet browsing (reading the news, posts, anything you don't log in for basically), and an "A Tier" or possibly "B Tier" browser for less frequent, more personal browsing (like banking, social media, etc.). This is because Mullvad/Tor Browser don't save cookies, browsing history, or other site data which makes them a bit inconvenient for sites you regularly log in to. Splitting your browsing habits across two browsers gives you the best of both worlds!

[@Nxla-92751]

Been watching your content. I hope you keep it up!

[@tobiaslanzi3402]

Definitely, great content. Thanks a lot. This recommendation is also very good.

[@gaster2411]

bro said thorium is f tier😂😂💀💀💀💀💀

[@knifeyonline]

there is no reason to give Tor browser S tier, horrific performance in every way. what a pathetic video. you're going to look back on this in a few years and say "what an idiot I was" 😂 Seems all the Mr Robot wanna-be's enjoyed it I guess

[@danibell106]

@@tobiaslanzi3402 hell nah

[@KosmicWolf]

It says ultimate browser list but it seems that the only thing in consideration here is privacy and transparency and yes that’s super important, but having features and speed is also important and that was completely overlooked here. This video should be called “the ultimate private browser list” And just to clarify I don’t know this channel I was just looking for videos about browser comparisons.

[@mranonymous00]

then say which one is the fastest ?

[@AndyB-qu5ck]

yeah didnt find this useful unless I was trying to hack the pentagon or run a nigerian phone scam

[@KosmicWolf]

@@mranonymous00 From the info I’ve seen apparently chromium browsers are faster, Edge in particular seems to be a little bit better at managing resources (at least on some cases) From personal experience I didn’t notice much difference between chromium browsers (edge, chrome, brave…) however Firefox and its forks (librewolf, floorp…) are a bit slower on some websites (KZbin for example)

[@mrfirespark]

@@AndyB-qu5ck you made me laugh, thanks man

[@shogunkodogun]

most of the websites would run super fast on any of them if not for enshittification done by youtube and google etc. all the other “features” such as shopping extensions etc. totally void the privacy aspect anyways so the video stands right.

[@NasirElShabazz]

never knew there were people that knew so much about every iternet browser

[@thatsnatss]

Oh and you do? Egocentric@@juicenoufil4517

[@7vreja7]

@@juicenoufil4517 What are your top 3 browers?

[@Ron1n_Sim]

I love iternet bowser

[@vuduykhangvan1329]

yes, welcome you to Internet-browerology

[@FarokhBulsara4065]

there's always atleast one person on earth that knows everything about anything. For example, an old dude that knows everything about sardine can.

[@Toaster-uy7lk]

Seems like you forgot pissandshittium (yes this is an actual browser)

[@zaebaniyunderground6260]

i lol'd

[@hypercrack7440]

OMG, That is such an amazing browser! Why didn't I use it before? My grandma used to wait for webpages to load, now she doesn't have to anymore! Thank you dev!

[@ibnadam65]

lolll

[@godnyx117]

The humor and imagination of the person who created it is top notch!

[@karmakanic475]

"The browser that doesn't give a SHIT" is there motto hahaha

[@Otto500206]

How can this be the "ultimate" one when you are listing based only on privacy and security?

[@karkador]

any tierlist will be biased. try out all the browsers you're interested in

[@24kCookieMusic]

true

[@Topher_Knows]

Like driving a rocket to your friends house while in the nude. I guess someone might consider that to be the ultimate car ride?

[@jeffc6059]

Ditto, the criteria of this review are not only poorly defined but very narrow. There are a gazillion other considerations when choosing a browser. There are security settings in most browsers for the paranoid. Granted it's personal preference, in general a more wholistic view is going to result in the best choice for the individual.

[@kajetanbawelnoswiat]

YEAH WHAT ABOUT MY GAMING BULLSHIT LIKE OPERA GX

[@tamarans.ns.ii.4968]

Vivaldi def deserves at least C tier. I don't like Chromium based browsers (using hardened FF currently) but Vivaldi is just a joy to use. Any one who remembers the old Opera knows what I'm talking about.

[@teran1a]

Sadly it's too slow. Been using it for 3 years, now switching to smth else, I can't stand its performance and bugs anymore...

[@xldplx]

@@teran1a what did you switch to?

[@teran1a]

@@xldplx I use google chrome atm, but already think of switching back. I guess most bugs will disappear if I fresh install Vivaldi with no old data

[@xldplx]

@@teran1a i used to use Brave and it was hella fast and then i discovered Vivaldi's tag management system and i'm instanty in-love. but nowadays i can feel the slowness and the sluggishness from Vivaldi. i want to switch but i cannot move on from the tag management system, it is really good.

[@teran1a]

@@xldplx I also care about the mobile version of browser. Vivaldi has the best one, I can't really switch from it. I hope developers will fix the sluggishness

[@Lila_UrarakaYT]

10:52 Vivaldi isn’t closed source, vastly open source, and the rest is source available. Plus, being open source doesn’t automatically make it a better option, open vs available vs closed source is comes down to a matter of transparency. Treat everything, including open source software as guilty until proven innocent.

[@7heMech]

I definitely don't see how Brave is worse than hardened firefox, past the crypto stuff (which you hide on setup) Brave blocks tracking and ads out of the box even on websites like Spotify, literally the best browser for Android and on web they have a tor integration.

[@VodySly]

from the sounds of it, i think he uses hardened firefox as his browser so its most likely bias, then again i use brave and think its better than firefox so that could also be unintentional bias

[@Superbustr]

After Chrome essentially broke KZbin for me ie, made every single video stutter on playback. I tried Brave and now Brave is my default. Plus after KZbin started blocking ad blockers; I kinda got sick of having to find a new ad block solution every few weeks. Brave has inbuilt adblock that works with KZbin and for the last month that I have been using it, has been perfect.

[@Slashixuz]

​@@VodySly I tried Firefox, Librewolf, Ungoogled chrome, chrome, my main browser is brave, and I can tell you all firefox browser are much slower in everything than chromium based browser, also watched a few benchmark videos and they just proved it theres an abyss between chromum speeds and firefox speeds. Brave Ftw. (also classic firefox sometimes got bugged in the past and kept showing the Update progress bar every single damn time i wanted to use it)

[@ThZuao]

Brave is steadily getting worse. I don't like the AI stuff. And Brave Search was great at first but now seems tainted by the same biases that made Google terrible.

[@VodySly]

@@ThZuao you dont like the ai, dont use the ai. and what google biases, you can change your search engine in settings

[@dawienel1142]

This video is just a privacy tier list for browsers. There are more to browsers than privacy.

[@orieLab_]

But you can tweak other things, security you can't easily tweak, so that is the most important factor on a browser

[@blvckvv999]

Exactly. Tor is unusable garbage for 99% of web tasks.

[@jamesgardner2101]

Without privacy and security, does any of the rest even matter?

[@NoaCuteSlime]

@@jamesgardner2101 Yes, its pretty secure walking slowly, only at daytime, wearing 100tons of full plate armor. But you'll barrely able to cross a street with that speed/burden, so u'll get anywhere else.

[@XDMIIIIIIIII]

@@NoaCuteSlimeapples to oranges lol

[@j.d.4697]

BTW any company that's involved in AI will try their best to get their hands on as much user data as possible, as that's what they train AI on.

[@nikoladanek542]

Well, not duckduclgo i think

[@ejfiewfeuihefwiuwe]

@@nikoladanek542 Then how would it work then? the AI's have to pull from something which is normally a lot of web pages

[@kerkertrandov459]

Duckduckgo made an exception for MS trackers cuz they got paid. Ever since then many people lost trust.

[@MisterK-YT]

@@ejfiewfeuihefwiuwepulling webpages ≠ pulling user data. I’m not sure what u mean? If an AI needs to be trained on user data & behaviors, that’s entirely different than an AI that gets trained on the content on the web.

[@omegadaverddavidhidalgo6662]

Cuz they dont train the ai they just put the top 4 minus GPT​@@ejfiewfeuihefwiuwe

[@vir-daw]

You forgot to rank from best-to-worst/left-to-right within each tier at the end 😉

[@sinnerpiece]

vivaldi IS actualy open source but its kinda hard to find it ( /source after the normal vivaldi link) i do think it should get alteast a B tier because it has alot of customizability and very good features, very good browser for people like me who use break mode all the time to hide what we are seeing from people who pass by.

[@xMdb]

It’s source available, not open source

[@eps-nx8zg]

The ui is not open source, its obfuscated javascript.

[@4mindful.meditation]

It makes me so happy that you gave Google Chrome an F. I've always HATED this browser for so many reasons. I've never been able to figure out why people seemed to love it so much. My favourite browsers have been Firefox (although, that relationship pretty much ended a few years ago; still have it installed and use as a 'backup' now and again for certain things), currently using Brave but just this morning, I started thinking about checking out some other browsers as it's been a few years since I've done any research on what's available. That's how I just found this video. Very thorough and informative; thank you :) I've just downloaded Tor and will be trying it out for awhile to see how we 'get on'. I've known about Tor for quite some time but had just never taken the next steps of downloading and using. Thanks again for all the research you put into making this video.

[@ChazW93]

Title should be "The 2024 Ultimate Browser PRIVACY Tier List" - As a heads up to folks that might waste a bunch of time -- He doesn't speak of any of the features that each of the browsers present in terms of productivity that makes one app stand out over the other. Which if you've done your research on each of these browsers, you'll know that specific features that one app has, could enhance your entire browsing experience.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Vivaldi if u want features. Thorium if u want speed. Tor or Mull browser if u want privacy (but dont modify anything else u will stand out from other users). For mull browser u have to use mullvad vpn (or ivpn) to match tor browser (and exceed, imo, because tor exit nodes are often compromised)

[@Kig_Ama]

This is one of the best videos about browsers. Thank you. I used chrome a lot but since youtube is broken when u use chrome I changed to brave and I must say the experience I have with brave when I use YT is sooo awewsome.

[@Kig_Ama]

@kevin_yang633 Huh?

[@MisterK-YT]

How is KZbin broken with Chrome?

[@why-m3g]

brave? thats a shit choice

[@Kig_Ama]

@@why-m3g At least back then it allowed me to use Yt without ads.

[@blvckvv999]

@@MisterK-YT LMAO I know right? They are both Google products! This person must be bad at the internet.

[@ExpiXLuna]

So As soon as you released the vide, Pale Moon 33.0.0 released. Pale Moon now has Do Not Track requests, as well as canvas data poisoning, which prevents canvas fingerprinting. Now for security, yeah sure it is weaker than most, but since it's more obscure, less people will attack it. Addons are still an issue, because Pale Moon will never support WebExtensions, but since you can use old firefox extensions, it may still end up a bit useful Performance is probably the best thing it has going for it, because it will run great even on low end computers, and it will also not eat up your RAM and CPU.

[@ExpiXLuna]

KZbin doesn't let me edit my own comments

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

Palemoon being obscure saved my PC once- I was a young teen and doing a little bit of yarr harring on the side and one of the games I downloaded left every other browser f'd with pop ups, with everything in russian and none of the search engines working- but Palemoon (and its twin Basilisk) were completely unaffected.

[@lumicoree]

me watching this on a microsoft edge browser:

[@Mister-Brain-Wash]

😂😂😂

[@OrenMystery]

slightly terrified

[@scottporter7779]

Is ecosia browser on android actually private? What tier would it get?

[@linked3]

it's just a chromium reskin I think

[@justsomegamerwithoutmustache]

B

[@lussor1]

D

[@fazelium]

I closed the video after u placed Vivaldi in the D tier :)

[@thedaburashitman3971]

Vivaldi is my favourite browser, it has a built in email and calendar client, adblocker, notes and sessions function, workspaces etc a completely Internet Suite

[@Spectrulight]

This entire video is basically privacy focused. For anyone who actually wants to use good browsers: Best privacy and speed: librewolf Best speed: brave (or edge if you don't care about privacy) Best of all: Firefox.

[@patriotjoe3110]

Brave (on Linux) blocks so much tracking that I can’t use it to connect to some of my financial institutions. It also has built in TOR connectivity so I would definitely rank it higher than Firefox, though I don’t know if the Windows or Mac versions do the same things. The IOS version does not connect to TOR.

[@ToeKneeOooo]

The Windows version does have Tor built in.

[@xb6xx]

You really shouldn't use Tor in brave. The whole point of Tor is the be anonymus, and you are not getting that in brave's knockoff version

[@GERRaze]

Crippling accessibility and useability is a disadvantage, not an advantage. So Brave should be lower than Firefox.

[@ToeKneeOooo]

That depends on how aggressive your ant-tracking settings are. I have not had an issue wirh Brave on Windows or Linux.

[@VodySly]

@@GERRaze through that logic tor is worse than firefox, we're talking about security not convenience

[@bloodykenshiro8218]

As a Librewolf user, I can't really agree with the criticism you levied against it, or the poor rating. The installer does offer an updater and it can be set to run whenever a user boots. Autoupdates are important, sure, but much more in critical work environments than for single users; all it takes is a bit of self discipline to check for updates once every few days, not the end of the world. While hardened Firefox does offer similar security benefits, it requires extra steps to modify vanilla Firefox that an end user may be unable or simply unwilling to do; Librewolf comes hardned out of the box. Lastly, Librewolf is current in regards to codebase. I used to use Watefox but migrated after its debacle. As you yourself mentioned, WF being based on ESR codebases is a massive demerit, despite its long track record.

[@akakarthick]

I use Librewolf btw

[@FedoraSilverblue]

I use NixOs btw

[@nageswaraopatha5445]

Iam also use librewolf ❤

[@JohnXionidis]

Great video thank you for all these detailed information for each browser! I'll be probably switching to Brave from Chrome.

[@unnatjha3689]

Edge is much better than you think mate, it has a lot features; the pdf suite is the best i have seen in a browser.

[@nikunjkhangwal]

That's true Functionality wise Edge is one of the best browser out there. But again this list is based on privacy and Edge is just a spyware when it comes to that.

[@unnatjha3689]

@@nikunjkhangwal i don't trust it when it comes to privacy ig

[@EinBienenliebhaber]

ok, but if it is BAKED into my computer, SPIES everything i do AND is generally a HASSLE to disable because it tries to be the default app in everything.

[@reubenprasanth271]

​@@EinBienenliebhabershould have just said 'microsoft' and moved on

[@reubenprasanth271]

Personally I like edge. It's great for reading purposes and does some translation of sentences of look up meaning of words on the side pane on right. Pretty neat when wanting to learn new words while reading without bothering to open another tab.

[@alpacamale2909]

bro acts as if he had area 51 files on his browser. Calm down, Ted Kaczynski

[@untitled-t9j]

5:22 why? i use all the day edge and theres no problems

[@AnthemsOfEurope]

This tier list is based solely on privacy, so unless you care that much about AI sampling or try to hack pentagon it's total bullshit

[@STORMIEDBD]

Librewolf C tier...?

[@thatsnatss]

C tier is not bad

[@ZÏ̇̃]

@@thatsnatssbro put vanilla firefox above it there is no way

[@herrron1131]

@@thatsnatss But not good either.

[@foreheads766]

@@ZÏ̇̃ which I am pretty sure is a lot less private

[@ejfiewfeuihefwiuwe]

@@ZÏ̇̃ Vanilla Firefox is defiantly below vanilla librewolf Firefox with a custom user config sure I can see as being the same tier as Librewolf but not out of the box

[@niewsky]

Dude, I really don’t understand how you’re putting Safari in D tier and you decided to put that graphene chromium right above it. Proprietary or not it’s built-in to the most popular phone on the planet and you’re saying it’s worse than all of those while flaunting how important privacy is

[@lussor1]

Safari is closed source and no adblocker, its secure but propietary is bad. Check privacytests

[@ichika-matsuoka]

​@@lussor1 this tier list is bullshit, Firefox is not privacy by default and is ranked way higher than browsers that are privacy by default.

[@drmoss6950]

Which is best for low end PC/laptop to have running while gaming?

[@IIIlIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

ungoogled or thorium

[@khingkung1355]

msi

[@Ragebait01]

Just get a Macbook Air??!!!

[@tacticalcenter8658]

If its not de-googled, it shouldn't be on that list.

[@niewsky]

Dude, I really don’t understand how you’re putting Safari in tear and you decided to put that graphing chromium VS right above it. Proprietary or not it’s built-in to the most popular phone on the planet and you’re saying it’s worse than all of those while flaunting how important privacy is…. I actually never mind… Your entire argument just flew out the window when you put arc in D tier also

[@DeNay25]

This was so informative, I personally use Brave but I want to try Tor..thanks for the video

[@vibhor9216]

i am also using brave from past 2 years but today i reinstalled it on my laptop and i am getting adds on youtube are u also getting adds?

[@DeNay25]

@@vibhor9216 no I'm not getting adds

[@ccosmic7979]

Tor isn't for daily use. It's much slower and blocks many elements to achieve the level of anonymity it has. It's not a replacement to Brave, more like a complementary browser

[@Aaron-14]

@@vibhor9216 Nope I haven't been getting ads.

[@dimitris-htb]

Also, Brave has Tor integration ( Alt+Shift+N)

[@maggew]

The absence of Iridium browser, and a few others undermines the integrity of your list. You made some good points though... I don't agree with your tier list, but, thank you for introducing me to some new browsers, it was fun experimenting with these alternatives.

[@mr.awesomesauce8412]

I use Microsoft Edge because Firefox based browsers are really choppy dragging tabs around, and because it's the only browser I've found that has an option to make the UI bigger in the form of Touch Mode (Only available in Canary and Dev builds for some reason). I never expected to like Microsoft Edge, but after heavy customization, it's become my daily driver. Except for privacy. My browser history has been Chrome to Opera GX to Opera to Vivaldi to Floorp to Microsoft Edge.

[@Asidders]

Floorp? What is this, Rick and Morty?

[@mr.awesomesauce8412]

@@Asidders No, this is Patrick.

[@TheLinuxGallery-qz2vs]

The easter egg in the Thorium browswer was a lot more amusing to me than concerning (as easter eggs like that should be). What concerns me about it, was something that also was shown in the XZ utils chain of events. If that easter egg was a problem to the community, and the community was analyzing source code, as they claim happens; they would have raised the issue within hours of it going up. If it were simply an attack on the developer, without any true interest in the easter egg; these community checks could possibly still be occurring. However, the XZ utils backdoor was only found by the eyes a very specialized professional developer -- indicating, a second time, that there are no community eyes on these projects.

[@jonaharagon]

Many many examples of this beyond these two, just look into NPM and PyPI supply chain attacks. It is a big problem.

[@coleysays10]

I think that you obviously value privacy above anything else. Your list wasn't on how good the browser is, just how safe it is.

[@foreheads766]

because how good is super subjective and almost all of these browsers are just chromium or firefox with some small differences.

[@Energyone]

Vivaldi is sluggish in my opinion when compared to some chromium browsers.

[@Redditor5000-gg5pv]

Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium are my favourite for daily driving, they are both relatively minimal (not bloated), open source, and have private defaults.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Ungoogled is pretty poor. Cromite is strictly better.

[@Redditor5000-gg5pv]

@@kerkertrandov459 how?

[@grahamsell3863]

Can we get a tier list for people who don’t care about privacy over the internet? I know you were upfront about it but most privacy isn’t the only feature people care about, e.g. I like OperaGX because it’s makes it easy to limit the RAM/CPU usage of the browser. I was hoping this video would be more about those sorts of features and not 100% about privacy since I feel like the browser breakdown regarding that is 1. TOR if you know you definitely need guaranteed privacy 2. Anything else. But idk maybe I’m just a normie

[@felix_md64]

i use chrome juste because of the features and i use a lot of the google app, i don't care about privacy on internet i have nothing to hide. I guess try each one and choose the one that has the best features and experience for you

[@deatho0ne587]

For use with my personal information I agree mostly with the list. Sadly as Dev, I have to keep things like Edge, Chrome, Safari and at least two others around for doing work.

[@henkiepaulisma]

Not only as a dev, I would add. Professional use in general you unfortunately need Chrome because a lot of websites and tools will sometimes not even work in Firefox

[@deatho0ne587]

Did not even want to mention most personal information from banks or healthcare is on AS400, Java Apps (pre-2010), etc...

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

Huge disagree with edge. It's the fastest browser and customisable in terms of privacy, plus you can run a script on PC to disable all the spyware crud.

[@andrewpascal6096]

You cannot turn off its telemetry. It will always phone home to Microsoft.

[@edizhasturk3317]

@@andrewpascal6096 Adguard Blocker + Hagezi Pro

[@mooselexus]

What about Ghostery Private Browser, where would you place Ghostery Private Browser?

[@BigOrangeMan]

The title should be best PRIVACY browser, if you solely rank them on features and productivity (what most people want), Edge and Arc will be on top. Yes Microsoft Edge, those who use it know how good it has become.

[@CyborgLikeDucks]

Its pretty good, at this point idc about privacy cuz it does not mean anything

[@tryhard508]

What is the best browser for perfomence?

[@Golden2Talon]

i want to know too. i need one for my old notebook. Firefox is pretty slow, and brave is even faster than chrome. So seeing these two in same tier makes no sense, brave is definetly better.

[@GERRaze]

Edge and Safari with ublock (all filters) and your own browser settings. They are the only ones that give you the highest quality in streaming Netflix / Amazon for all browsers.

[@mukapucet901]

@@Golden2Talon thorium i guess

[@Nomad19-04]

Microsoft edge

[@kerkertrandov459]

Thorium

[@cassiuscartland]

this is kinda clickbait as its only about security and not the actual browser itself

[@WaffleWithPassion]

other than ublock origin, which addons (and other things) do you need to add to arc for it to be "secure enough" (like i'd say maybe b tier>)

[@patusoro4781]

This is an amazing summary ! Thank-you. Have you considered making this a quarterly or yearly review?

[@tomasrazgus7331]

I would like to know how many people are using tor browser actually? Despite their good privacy, this browser is pretty lame.

[@dagoelius]

At this point in time, Brave should be the only choice for normies. Its not he best, but it has the least bloat, least resource greedy and best privacy focus{for now} of all browsers.

[@womp47]

the crypto drama kinda turned a lot of people away

[@woro.]

it's very buggy, i switched from opera gx to brave purely cause opera was buggy, but it turns out it is just as buggy, firefox is the least buggy for me rn, but i've only been using it for a few weeks

[@numcapsscroll]

@@woro. What do you use now, i plan to switch from Opera GX to something else

[@woro.]

​@@numcapsscroll Since i commented on this video i've tried many browsers, the one i am using currently is WaterFox with the Simple Tab Groups extension (an essential for most FireFox based browsers tbh), which has been a decent experience so far, i've encountered 0 bugs but it doesn't have automatic tab unloading so it uses A LOT of ram since i open HUNDREDS of tabs at a time. also it has a setting to autohide and show the address bar, bookmark bar, and tab bar on hover, which i really like. A browser i've been wanting to switch to is Zen browser which is also FireFox based and has the same autohide feature as WaterFox, the browser is quite new so it's probably gonna be buggy sometimes, but the only bug i encountered is that when you turn on compact mode (it lets you enable the autohide feature) and also turn on "automatically expand tabs by default" at the same time, if you push your cursor to the left the tab bar appears and disappears continuously, but that can be easily avoided by just not pushing your cursor to the left extreme on your monitor. It has tab unloading, and has some of the features that Simple Tab Groups has but built into the browser and faster (it has workspaces but they dont get backed up into a file daily like the Simple Tab Groups extension), the reason i haven't switched completely and have only been using it on and off is that it has a couple features that i would like to understand how to use before switching to it, but that's just me, you can use it like a normal browser. Chrome got an update which sorts your tabs into groups with AI which i find very convenient but i haven't tested it since it is for people that have an 18+ google account that also live in the USA, if you need chromium then this is the browser you'll get the least bugs on. If you're looking for my recommendation then it is definitely Zen or maybe if you want a more simple and flawless experience then go with WaterFox, Zen, or basically any FireFox based browser with the with the Simple Tab Groups extension. This might have a couple of grammatical or punctuation errors or since it took me a while to type all of this out and i cannot be bothered to reread it and correct it multiple times💀 Also i noticed we're born the same year (08) that's cool lol

[@CoachLiewSwimChicken]

Does the Libre Wolf browser store & sync bookmarks & passwords?

[@verlex]

Clearly never useed Edge before

[@TheTimestampCommenter]

i did and i regret it

[@Bloodsquid55]

edge is just chrome except.... nothing it's almost the same.

[@Valimer999]

@@TheTimestampCommenter same is bad

[@Dara-wk5ty]

Gecko is pretty bad on Android in terms of security I don't get why Mull is so high

[@Asztec]

Why is Firefox "hardened" marked as a separate browser in tierlists like this? If you have to make such big loopholes under the hood in order for Mozilla's marketing to be true, then that browser does not have good privacy protection. Average people will not deal with such a thing, because it is nerve-wracking in the first place. Considering that, I have no idea how Brave could be in a worse tier list.

[@lussor1]

Default firefox is like edge in privacy. Bloated, poor anti tracking, no anti fingerprint etc. I would recommend librewolf, zen or waterfox as you said nobody is going to tweak the browser manually or downloading a config file

[@bananaeater4332]

For a very newbie guy and that does not know anything about web browsers and cyber security etc this was a very interesting video to watch! Thank you for all the info and perspectives!! Kudos!!

[@SamCoder.]

Safari deserves at least a B-tier... It is a good browser to work with... Arc deserves a C tier and also Edge with a b tier I have used all these browsers so I am providing my opinion on this...

[@derekroberts6654]

for Apple users, does Safari have a problem showing certain websites in read-only format? mine does. I have to use Google Chrome on all my Apple devices.

[@NightRaven5568]

My favorite mobile only browser is not on this list: Via browser

[@s1mplet0n94]

Hey! 3 months late but why is it your favorite if you don't mind me asking?

[@NightRaven5568]

@@s1mplet0n94 A day late I have multiple google accounts but I have a cheaper phone and Via browser runs really well on it it also has nice stuff like a customizable home screen it so far to me has been a no BS browser without any fluff so it runs and looks well But if privacy is a concern for you I might not recommend it as it is a Chinese browser

[@NightRaven5568]

@@s1mplet0n94 lightweight and runs really well this matters to me as my phone is pretty cheap

[@NightRaven5568]

@@s1mplet0n94 Oh well now I am 3 months late OOF I was meaning to reply to this when I first saw your reply but I was caught up in other things but the main reason is because it is very lightweight and runs very well on my phone my phone is old and cheap so browsers like Firefox and Google Chrome do not run the best Via does run well on my phone though but it is important to note that Via is a Chinese browser so if you are concerned for that kind of thing then do not use it

[@Ventus_S]

After ublock stop working on chrome i stop using it.. Also Opera sucks too , i thought it'd work with ublock but recently it stopped working. Not only that, it often prevent you to upload images.

[@Nothing7329.]

Brave belong in s tier

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

Palemoon being obscure saved my PC once- I was a young teen and doing a little bit of yarr harring on the side and one of the games I downloaded left every other browser f'd with pop ups, with everything in russian and none of the search engines working- but Palemoon (and its twin Basilisk) were completely unaffected. I think it got way too harsh a rating just for being old coded.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Cromite is almost strictly better than Brave, it should be A.

[@C61-y9s]

I admire your use of classical music, along with the insights that you provide, well done 👍 Judging by your channel, I can see you becoming a youtuber that will quickly surpass someone like The Hated One. I have subbed and liked your video to help you with the algorithm. Don't forget me when you develop a huge platform! [Edit was done to fix a spelling error]

[@Jotgotshot]

Recently switched from Chrome to Pale moon, I love the Skeuomorphic design of it and speed isn’t that much of an issue, it’s not that slow + i would sacrifice one second for a better GUI and more customizations. I still use chrome sometimes, I still haven’t logged in any accounts of mine in pale moon but once im more familiar and comfortable with it i will. oh also safari isn’t that bad. sure it tracks it’s user (pretty much like most browsers) but using safari is probably the best option if you are on iOS. Better to get tracked by one company than two imo..

[@Mica-ol4qz]

"The 2024 Ultimate Browser Tier List"

[@Bounsy2D]

Isn't that privacy browser tier list? Or am I missing something

[@henry-fisher]

Aww great video Jonah!

[@miro007ist]

This is the best browser tier list!

[@kishoreabraham]

What about SigmaOS? I want direct single letter tier answer...

[@DL-fi5cc]

@jonaharagon I have always used Firefox (i'm not very educated in the software like you are) but should i use google as the search engine along side Firefox? Do I need to download anything or something different apart form a say a VPN to make my use of Firefox more private? Google as a search engine is not as good as it used to be so i have been using Perplexity AI more often to find useful information. Thanks for making the video.

[@ZPixel17]

Hello! I would definitely stay away from Google if privacy is a concern for you. I hadn't heard of Perplexity AI before, it seems interesting but as you probably know, many people are mistrustful towards AI. I mainly use Brave's search engine Brave Search, but I use DuckDuckGo for finding images. If you want a traditional search engine, those two would be my recommendations! As for making Firefox more private (or 'hardening' it), I know there are steps you can take to make it more private, but I just use LibreWolf since it's essentially hardened Firefox out of the gate with less effort, so I can't help you with that unfortunately. Best of luck on your browsing adventures, friend!

[@RifRafJonesy]

Dumb question. Is there a risk to using Opera GX if you only use your PC for gaming? All purchaches are made via steam cards on steam.

[@HunterMael]

I would say unlikely. The privacy trade-offs up to that point are already higher (unless you play offline games exclusively). That being said, as a gamer myself, Opera isn't as good as it seems. My personal recommendation is to pick one of 2 routes, more security/privacy or more convenience. Use one of the S-B tier browsers for your gaming browser, OR take the convenience that comes from edge and co-pilot (this is what I did) that way I can hit the windows key during games and instantly search or instantly use co-pilot to ask a question about the game! Hope this helps.

[@RifRafJonesy]

Great point on the games themselves being a risk. The whole reason I limit my gaming PC, to just gaming.

[@TheoTungsten]

Don’t forget Ecosia, they have their own app and browser now.

[@nietzschescodes]

In terms of performance, though, Google Chrome and Chromium are still the best. Both S tier.

[@TheIgnoredGender]

Tor is so slow though. Brave and Edge are both top notch.

[@CyborgLikeDucks]

Edge is actually good

[@averagetechnologyenojyer]

The best list I've seen so far 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@goatking2208]

What about kiwi browser ? And is there is any browser out there like puffin ? Thank you so much

[@mr.sir.]

Hply shit puffin I thought was DEAD

[@kerkertrandov459]

Kiwi is the only browser for android where u can install any extension u want. Unfortunately that sums up its usefulness. I use it to install ruffle extension and play flash games on phone. For anything else it sucks.

[@bernardooliveira2048]

If your tier criteria was functionality above privacy, your list would literally flip upside down, cmon man, proprietary browsers are not objectively bad by the lack of privacy, Microsoft Edge is one of the most complete and resourceful browsers out there, even though it's sending some of your data to Microsoft, you ranked Vivaldi just above the worst tier because bits of it's source code is closed?

[@TheDetonation]

You really shouldn't be calling it an ultimate tier list if you're basing it purely on security and privacy. There's more to browsers than that, despite how important those aspects are.

[@Shredddddy]

Opera GX user here. Hope my default browser is high tier. Update* I deleted all cookies on opera and Uninstalled and now I'm using Mozilla Firefox with a lot of the extensions thanks for the info

[@Alcaline-hu2vu]

As cool as privacy is, none of the S-tier browsers are actually usable as a daily driver

[@danmar007]

Supermium?

[@gretasandstone357]

Im a novice and want an easy to use browser with automatic security updates. I'm confused between going with hardened Firefox using the arkenfox method versus mullvad browser. Which of these if either has automatic security updates?

[@triciagunberg5265]

Are you saying “Tor” or “Tur” I am trying to find ap but only onion icon comes up…. I cannot find icon you show in this video

[@quenz.goosington]

aand CTT is using Thorium again

[@jonaharagon]

pls say it isn’t so 😭

[@babykosh5415]

but if I'm ON Linux would firewolf become B-tier???

[@lilpapi3481]

what would you recommend for privacy and security but also relevant search results?

[@MrPromethium0157]

A few changes I would suggest: - Opera/GX in D tier, it is from Norway not China, so it is subject to many data privacy laws - Chrome in F-

[@AshenOne-i1n]

As far as I knew they were indeed bought by a chinesse company so they are more of a subsidiary now. Heard they do send info to the CPP because they can't refuse.

[@space7panda]

Vivaldi being on D tier is pure skill issue

[@j.d.4697]

I had to use Edge the other day and after just 5 minutes I felt like I was transported back 20 years ago when I didn't know much about PCs and often ended up clicking everything on the internet using a crappy browser, leading to constant shady pop-ups. That's what the default Edge experience is like. Absolutely disgusting!

[@ToveriJuri]

I've been using edge now for few months and this is absolutely not the case. After customizing it to my liking it has been far better than any other Chromium browser I've used. absolutely no popups.

[@Kin1989FX]

which one is the best for performance and workstation ?

[@dipanshupaul1819]

you should make a review of optimized and secured browser. The video title is misleading, but your knowledge is sublime

[@AlexA00]

so what browser is best for mac os? (Silicon)

[@astiantube]

Your observation is incredible, according to your point of view Midori is in the same line as Edge, Opera, Bromite and Chromium and Chrome but Astian is not a big tech and we try to open a space for ourselves in the privacy and lightness market, but as We always say in our Astian publications that you are not the product and we will continue to offer an excellent browser and excellent added services.

[@tamalchakraborty5346]

Orion and Arc surpised me. They are better versions of Safari and Chrome respectively.

[@sanaltdelete]

Your reaction to thorium is very unjustified and you are spreading misinformation. It is not a dead project. Updated last week, the +-a month of inactivity was due to hospitalization of the main dev. It is relatively up to date, so saying you will get hacked if you use it is absolutely not true. It is more frequently updated than Waterfox and includes some hardening and security tweaks. The furry thing was an easter egg which opened up a furry picture if you specifically did a sequence of actions, leftover from when it was a smaller fork. It was a suggestive picture, but no nudity. While potentially in bad taste, it has since been removed. The “legally questionable pictures” were part of a personal anti-forced-circumcision activism page which were never part of the source code of the browser, but were rather hosted on the repository of the website of thorium instead of on their own private page. This shouldn’t have happened, and the author (being a young individual making mistakes) has apologized for it and has learned from their mistakes. But it wasn’t illegal material.

[@jonaharagon]

lol the latest release (3 weeks ago!) still uses Chromium 121, and everything I said about it was accurate, sorry!

[@sanaltdelete]

@@jonaharagon I’m sorry, you are correct about the last update being 3 weeks ago. I was going off memory, and I should have checked it before I commented. You are not correct about the images of questionable legality being included in the source code of the browser and being distributed though. I think you should be careful accusing people of spreading illegal content. You can ruin someones life with that.

[@FoltynD]

@@jonaharagon it's now updated to v122 , also the whole Drama is sorted, explained, author apologized in blog, nothing project-ending note that the same author makes browser Mercury which is Firefox ESR fork but with some extra fixes (including from hardened FF forks) both Mercury and Thorium have some for-privacy changes, security hardening patches (fixes from newer builds), contains UBO so the bias due to drama made others to overlook that difference/improvements (while it's posted and visible in the code/change-log/website) maybe for next update of the list, introduce also category E so you can spread it more fairly

[@Nakla]

Im surprised the browsers I use are ranked so low Although im not surprised about Librewolf being a lot lower than hardened Firefox It just doesn't make any sense to use it when the alternative is almost as easy to get

[@Kermit2k]

Excellent video Jonah!

[@MathieuLLF]

How in the world is Vivaldi D level here??

[@baf-v7m]

bro put tor in S tier 💀 bro is def on the deep web

[@vicide]

i think you mean dark web, and it's really only for that niche case. try to name 1 person you know irl that uses tor browser

[@TheBlackBelll]

For me the absolute best is: Brave and Arc Browser (productivity)