The Luton Airport Fire - DIESEL or a HYBRID? You decide.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Watch right to the end for a real easter egg!!!!! Oh please SUBSCRIBE! and check out my other channel for actual car stuff CARS GEOFF BUYS and THANKYOU for watching my stuff. Love ya all. What do you think it was...? Hybrid or Diesel?

[@sobeit1927]

How the fire started is one issue , the nightmare of multiple EV’s burning ( for whatever reason) is the major issue .

[@SimonCoates]

Best EVER shilling for subscriptions :)

[@COIcultist]

Geoff, I commented on it yesterday but you seem to have swallowed the fire service's criticism of the multi storey car park. When have you ever been in a multi storey car park that wasn't open at the sides? Likewise I'd love to know the percentage of multi storey car parks with sprinklers fitted. Are we going to have to retro fit all multi storey car parks?

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@SimonCoatesto be honest I never ask for subscriptions, I figure if you ask you might get. No adverts either despite multiple VPN people trying to pay me 👍👍

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@COIcultistI can’t imagine there’s a closed way of building one? But then again you’re leaving yourself open to epic winds on the upper floors with a n open deck. Old concrete ones are more closed but not enclosed.

[@MrDADDYCOOLDOG]

I worked as a mechanic at a well known bus garage for over 35 years and have been out to a number of vehicles have been totally destroyed only leaving a distorted frame and still more than half a tank of diesel in the fuel tank

[@Felled-angel]

​@scabthecatI used diesel to put out a camp fire.

[@benllewellyn1887]

​@@Felled-angel😂😂😂😂

[@pipedreamtv9697]

@scabthecat + stops the engine block from rusting and underseals the car at the same time, its a win win!!

[@Felled-angel]

@@benllewellyn1887 I'm serious it spread to the tent and it was all I had in the boot of my van so i used it, so wtf is that fire Marshall even talking about? 🤷‍♂️

[@Fluffyrocks]

Any product used to have rigorous testing before even thinking about releasing to the public. But now a days we are the testers. Lazy greedy corporations.

[@martinheath5947]

Imagine how helpful 20mph enforcement is going to be for clogging those DPFs

[@TheTemporalAnomaly]

Great point. It will do wonders for them. But it`s the motorist who pays to replace them not the council so I guess that`s considered OK.

[@its_marc]

And driving slowly past these fires, melting all the way.

[@garymorrison277]

The whole of Wales is going to burn the ground

[@martin-1965]

@@garymorrison277 We've still got tons of coal under the ground so we can keep the rest of the UK warm for free this winter.

[@TheFoxOfThredneedleStreet]

Yeah you'll never clear it. I'm putting mine on a quick release. I'll just pop it off and wash it in wynns. Pop it back on and run at 3000rpm for 20 min. Job done.

[@andrewclark3236]

In the eighties, I learnt to drive in a 1954 MK 1 land rover. One day, it caught fire while driving along a beach. The fuel line had broken. We put it out using a pair of gumboots and a duffle bag, filling them up with saltwater. After a few repairs we got it going again and it lasted another twenty years.

[@peekaboo1575]

If it were electric you'd have to drive it straight into the sea to put it out, lol. Maybe not even that'd work.

[@MattOGormanSmith]

The fire was started by an EV that went back in time to CONTROL YOUR MIND!!!11`1

[@mikerichardson4015]

Series 1, not Mark 1. Everything else kosher.

[@fly9wheel]

Lithium batteries on fire generate oxygen which inhibits water or foam from extinguishing the fire.@@peekaboo1575

[@Number6_]

He didn't say if it was diesel or petrol just fuel. Diesel is usually not refered to as fuel.

[@JParkes43]

I love how the main news channels aren’t really reporting more on the issue. As if they know and they’ve been told not to

[@simonelsey]

they never report the truth or whole story ... Ive got a complaint going on with the BBC about the reporting of the armed policeman charged with murder and making out the person shot was squeaky clean ....ummm Im still waiting for a relevant response .

[@alanfrost4661]

Of course they have

[@juliegwilliam8503]

100%

[@paul756uk2]

EVs are part of the control grid. The digital prison they're building. It doesn't fit the narrative to give EVs a bad press.

[@129jagman]

Gaged from the goverment for sure

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

Geoff Honestly it does not really matter if it was an EV , hybrid , Petrol or Diesel . The reputation of EVs has been badly Tarnished and thats a great thing 👍

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I know 👍👍👍

[@craigix]

lol ok boomer.

[@RalphEllis]

Geoff - you should also look at terror links. Glasgow airport has had two terror attacks in the past, and the second one was closed down completely in the media. And now a third? Given the current situation with ‘a certain community’, there may be terror attacks. R

[@leegoodman297]

It can't be worse than the reputation of the fossil fuel companies, they're robbing us blind, causing numerous ecological disasters and every ICE car on the road is supporting that. Switch to EV, save a ton of money and stop funding Saudi Princes and Russian oil Oligarchs.

[@SDK2006b]

Sure, Tarnished by all the garbage and FUD being posted by the anti-EV zombies 😵‍💫…. Who got it wrong !

[@SoloRenegade]

Diesel fire: typical campfire flame with lots of black smoke, goes upwards. EV battery fire: blow torch from hell, spitting sparks, super hot, shooting in all directions, like a thermite grenade

[@Hydrahandle7]

Blow torch or sonic boom 💥

[@53jed]

Campfire smoke is always in the faces of the people sitting around it, scientific fact.

[@whatsit2ya247]

Hawaii/Maui fire comes to mind 🤔

[@Hydrahandle7]

@@whatsit2ya247 OH DEW

[@whatsit2ya247]

@@Hydrahandle7 ??? Mountain dew?

[@eddie1330]

The fact that they came out so fast, to say it was a diesel fire not an EV seems strange to me

[@tonysheerness2427]

What heated the diesel up for it to explode, a Lithium battery?

[@avrn1094]

@@tonysheerness2427he literally answered that in the Video could've been the DPF

[@terryo5672]

We used to light a fire to start diesel dumpers on freezing days on building sites years ago. Diesel just doesn’t explode, it burns in a half hearted way. The fire was the result of exploding EVs.

[@KG-vn8ou]

I don’t believe it. No way would a Denise’s car cause an inferno such as we see here. Rediculous. Maybe the diesel car ignited and electric car and that did the rest.

[@snirptacular]

Who is they?

[@msjcars2317]

Hybrid or Elecrric - Diesel is not flammable unless under pressure - I’m sure I am right

[@paulukjames7799]

You are right I just said the same

[@robg521]

Sort of…. it’s still flammable but it is difficult to ignite, in it’s normal liquid state you need a pretty good fire to get it going.

[@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563]

Yup.

[@ms-jl6dl]

Try pouring some diesel over open fire and find out.

[@msjcars2317]

@@ms-jl6dl is that what you do ?

[@georgebeare8883]

Hey there Geoff! This year on my annual summer holiday in England, I became aware of your channel. I’m back home in Melbourne and keep tuning in to your show. Our local bloke, John Cadogan at Auto Expert, has also done some great vids in EV fires and the Luton saga. There is a clear agenda to cover up the big problem of EV lithium battery fires so as not to derail the idiotic push by governments towards EV’s. Thank God, Luton didn’t kill people. Do we have to wait until a disaster finally does kill many innocent lives before the problem is acknowledged?

[@shaunluckham1418]

John Cadogan is very good 👍🏻

[@shauneden4229]

Our Parliament would ignore that too.

[@cathrynpaterson7539]

Apparently, the Sydney Opera house has an underground parking garage. Many of the Melbourne shopping stores have underground parking lots. Last year when I was visiting my sister in Hastings, I'm sure glad I wasn't so aware of the dangers of EV. I already have trouble dealing with exits.

[@flinch622]

Answer: yes [bureaucrats are more dense than certain elements in the periodic table to begin with, plus... there's a cult that has formed it would appear]. A tunnel fire perhaps - no place to exit/detour, and with traffic stuck the terrible happens.

[@enkisdaughter4795]

@@flinch622Love the description of bureaucrats😂

[@shardlake]

Easy answer, look to car insurance companies, they have doubled the insurance for EV's and many just refuse to insure them full stop.

[@stephenwilliams6103]

The McMaster was quoted over 3k, to renew his insurance on his Porsh Tycan😳😳🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@Bucharestguidedtours]

just a quick point, the Glasgow airport fire yesterday has been removed from the Daily Express website, now shows a 404 error. its hard to find anything about it. A lot of vehicle fires these days. Best wishes..Bring Back 4 Star!

[@angelmessenger8240]

Bingo. By trying to hide it, they've admitted it.

[@Dalbayob69]

There is articles about it but from September last year. I think someone made that article without checking the facts and then had to do a U turn because it’s old news.

[@jamessharp5972]

I believe that this is an article about a vehicle fire that happened on the night of the 21st/22nd September 2023. There was certainly a burnt out vehicle in the drop off point around 2am on the 22nd. Pick up and drop off closed for much of the day.

[@philldear3346]

Stinks of cover up Publicise as much as possible

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Bring back blue rinses, parcels tied with string, white dog poo, kids playing football on the road, shopkeepers who know your name, c##p British cars - hell, just bring Bach the 70s.

[@lanelothian1925]

When I was a teenager I parked my car in an underground carpark. When I came back the car 3 along from mine had gone up in flames (think it might have been deliberately done, it was a XR3 & it might have been stolen). The fire Brigade had put it out by the time I got back. It was burnt right down to the wheel arches. The cars either side were damaged but not destroyed. My car was totally fine & the car-parking space a bit charred & the integrity of the building was not compromised in anyway.

[@peekaboo1575]

If the car that burned was an EV, or the car between it and yours was an EV you'd have gone back to taking the bus.

[@geoffwells6724]

Can you believe that Luton Airport carpark is brand new and doesn't have a sprinkler system!

[@iancarrington1967]

Sprinklers would have no effect on burning EVs

[@barriewilliams4526]

Top floor, rain.....

[@pauljakeman]

Exactly, no matter the type of car having a sprinkler system installed should be a given!

[@normansaunders6891]

Or built with the structural integrity to withstand an EV fiie.

[@flippingcarsrepairs]

For a 120 milluon i would have thought they would have 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@jonellison9832]

It doesn't matter what started the fire, whether it be a diesel car or arsonist mice, fact is once an EV catches fire it's a hell of a problem.

[@sobeit1927]

Exactly . This is the problem .

[@jamesbennett1202]

This !

[@sobeit1927]

@@jamesbennett1202 yeh “this” is the real issue , once the EV is alight , for whatever reason .

[@crumbschief5628]

Statistics are against me, but I'd so laugh if there was not a single EV. It could be said ev's are actually harder to set alight. Diesel auto ignites at 210 degrees, a lithium battery at 500 degrees.

[@Whatshisname346]

Yes it’s been a problem since the invention of the internal combustion engine. Ever wondered why we have ‘fire and theft’ insurance? My mams been getting it since the 70s. Has she been wasting her money by not just going for the old third party.

[@lawrencemartin1113]

I worked as an airport fireman for a while back in the late eighties and early nineties. (A small business airport, not a main airline job!). As part of our regular training, we would fight large fuel fires in a pit, with an old scrap car at the centre. In order to get the scrap jet fuel to burn ( Jet fuel is basically highly refined diesel/paraffin) we would have to float scrap Avgas (highly refined petrol) on top, which would burn very easily and gradually cook the Jet fuel to a high temp. where it could then ignite and burn properly. If you dropped a burning match or rag into just the Jet fuel, it would just snuff it out. A side story, I also regrettably, owned a Land Rover Discovery ll. many years ago. On a long journey to the West Country, I discovered (it was a Discovery after all...) that one of the fuel pipes that ran on top of the tank and under the floor of the boot area, had chaffed and punctured, this spraying vast quantities of diesel all over the underside of the vehicle while the engine was running. It also sprayed it all over the exhaust and catalyst......with absolutely no sign of ignition. Some thin white smoke when we stopped.....and that lovely sweet smell of diesel everywhere.....but no fire. Had the pipe replaced with the upgraded metal one.....well done bloody Land Rover for fitting a plastic one in the first place and then cramming it into a vibrating sanding machine under the floor!, no further issues. A few months later...the front end of the same system did something similar and repeated the sprayed diesel effect, all over the underside of the hot engine, exhaust manifold and catalyst....again, smelly and costly, but no ignition. Hhmmm🤔

[@stevedix2973]

just like to add to that , being an ex RAF type who also trained on fuels , Jet A1 or Avtur as I knew it has a lower flash point than Diesel which is greater than 52c and upto 96c , so yeah getting any heavy fuel oil to flash is not easy and then once it starts to burn it takes awhile to heat up the rest of the liquid to really get going , as i`m sure your well aware.

[@CDB8939]

@@stevedix2973 I am a recently retired firefighter after 32 years, A Fire in a diesel powered vehicle is completely different to a diesel fire in a vehicle. Having dealt with 100's & 100's of vehicle fires over those years, the most common cause apart from arson was an electrical fault either within the engine compartment or dash area. The fuel tank is one of the last things to become involved due to it's location, (most fuels tanks are plastic now) The fire develops with all the plastic's, pvc wiring, vinyl, foam, tyres, alloys' engine fluids, to over 1,000 deg C without the fuel even being involved. I have only attended 1 fire in a Hybrid vehicle, and that did not involve the battery, and zero fire in EV's

[@stevedix2973]

@@CDB8939 Yup the electrics are the most common cause for sure , I`m just doubting the the fast assumption ect that it was a fuel leak that caused this fire , usual location for electrical fires are engine bay or dashboard , the apparent location of the blaze on this vehicle would tie in with the hybrid battery location and the lack of dark sooty smoke that is present when plastics , rubber and other similar materials combust also leads me to believe this may be a battery fire , like you I have dealt with many vehicles that have caught fire , I`ll stay on the fence for awhile , but after 40 years in the motor trade and having done EV courses ect , I know that who ever is directing this fire investigation has a narrative to follow !

[@CDB8939]

@@stevedix2973 All they said was that it was a diesel powered car, not a diesel fire. Everyone just assumes that car fires involve fuel, some do, most don't,

[@msjcars2317]

If you toss a lit match into a puddle of diesel fuel, it'll go out. That's because diesel is much less flammable than gasoline. In a car, it takes intense pressure or sustained flame to ignite

[@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563]

Yup, that’s how diesels work.

[@88conway88]

You can throw a lit match into petrol too and it will also go out

[@Trebor74]

It's not much less flammable. The temperature here just isn't high enough to cause evaporation needed for it to reach its flashpoint. Once it reaches that then it can burn just fine but that temperature needs to be maintained.

[@dronez7884]

@msjcars2317 that only applies to cold diesel.......it's not 'much less flammable' when cold, it isn't flammable when cold...........It is very flammable when hot though. pressure is irrelevant unless you mean rapidly pressurised contained air containing vapourised diesel causing the air to reach or exceed the auto-ignition temperature of diesel. , a sustained flame will heat the diesel until it reaches its flashpoint, and only then will the naked flame ignite it.

[@jasonwelsh5986]

Correct 👍

[@tardeliesmagic]

Flames don't spew out/blow outwards like that unless it's an EV.

[@Paul-g6v3g]

💯

[@paul756uk2]

Yeh definitely. Like a box of fireworks going off.

[@sullivan912]

And they certainly are never that incandescent orange colour.

[@Krait17]

hahaha without a doubt, the batteries located in the trunk are on fire. It's clearly visible. 🤣

[@roviwoteap2375]

That’s what I thought too. Looks like a Li battery on fire.

[@marysmik9812]

I feel for people who land back at the Luton airport and their cars are gone.

[@Daijyobanai]

Got rid of the evidence so it's all good.

[@brondahawkins9264]

Me, too. Not only can they not get home, can't get to work, can't get kids to school, can't get parents to doctor/hospital.. very, very sad/bad 😢

[@marysmik9812]

@@partymanau Yes. Truth might be bitter for people who don´t think but blandly believe.

[@chrisbueschel3884]

yeah what a thousand or so of them

[@kayenne221]

Why? Some people don’t get the luxury of holidays or have a car!!

[@KG-vn8ou]

Let’s be honest. Even if a diesel car was the cause, to get a blaze like that it almost certainly ignited an electric one which then detonated the rest. There’s no way a diesel car alone would be responsible for a fire of that intensity.

[@RalphEllis]

Geoff - you should also look at terror links. Glasgow airport has had two terror attacks in the past, and the second one was closed down completely in the media. And now a third? Given the current situation with ‘a certain community’, there may be terror attacks. R

[@KG-vn8ou]

@@RalphEllis good point. If it wasn’t it might certainly give them potential ideas.

[@lonzie]

What? Gallons of flammable liquid will spread a fire much faster than any battery fire can. As soon as that fire reaches the fuel tank (which is plastic) it's game over

[@matthewreynolds8025]

@@lonzie Depends on the diesel, the're not all the same. If the flash point is over a certain temp its combustable not flammable. it would be quite difficult to light a puddle of diesel.

[@David-fj5lz]

These “fires” will become common place as they are in China, wonder if the batteries are imported from that same country to save costs, do the majority come unmarked, the duty of the seller will be to declare the country of this import everyone will not want an electric car parked next to them!!

[@DanRobards]

Diesels are largely designed for long haul trips. As lots of these Range Rovers are driven by mums to Tesco and school they're buggering their engines! Give them a small 1L hatchback like a Clio. No fires to be seen!

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

So you want to dictate the kind of cars rich people can buy? Good luck with that.

[@scaryfakevirus]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 Yeah but, yeah but, no but .......

[@long_view]

In the 70s the Royal Navy operated gas turbine powered Fast Patrol Boats; these ran on F76 marine gasoil (i.e. diesel), as did the boats' diesel manoeuvring engines. They could generate huge amounts of smoke (to simulate a chemical attack) by spraying diesel directly into the hot jet exhausts. At no point did this ever ignite.

[@crazyVrex]

yea thats the same thing tanks do to generate a big smoke screen beside/behind them

[@byteme9718]

You have no idea of temperatures in a modern diesel exhaust when in regeneration.

[@HeavyDragoon]

The Challenger 2 tank does exactly that too...spraying neat diesel onto the hot (I believe) turbo pipes and then spewing out white smoke...NO IGNITION...

[@bobthebarsteward]

Just read that line again, he got his wife to drive the car to Stratstone, Newcastle, after reporting smoke coming from the engine bay, what a hero!

[@garyminion9610]

😂

[@wearetheremnants1615]

Lol

[@nosferatut9084]

Was it intentional 😉...😂😂😂?

[@alasdair4161]

Self preservation at work...

[@michaelsnell284]

Point of interest.. a fuel return line on an old diesel truck I once owned detached and sprayed fuel over the exhaust manifold pipe and muffler while I was driving it ! When the enormous cloud of white smoke cleared the truck was not on fire.. with trembling hands I reattached the fuel line and continued my journey. It's awfully difficult to get diesel burn..😅

[@justluke9166]

It has to be under compression to combust.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

I'd just about put my house on it that the fire that started in the diesel vehicle was of an electrical nature. Oh, the irony that EVangelists point to the incidence of fires in ICE vehicles when one of the leading causes of fires outside of collisions and arson, are electrical faults.

[@alasdair4161]

I had a Ford Cortina once that caught fire as I crested a hill, I quickly stopped the car got the belt off and grabbed my wallet to exit the car fast as I could immediately see flames coming up through the bonnet. The one thing I didn't do in my haste to get out was apply the park brake and of course the car started rolling on down the incline. All I could do was stand and watch as it gradually accelerated down the hill, rolling dead straight and missing absolutely everything either side. After around half a mile the street ended at a T junction with a major arterial road and I could see this fireball looking like Christine barreling ever faster towards a stream of traffic moving both ways. My luck held as it somehow missed all the traffic but catapulted itself airborne crossing the 6 lanes and flew through a wire fence on the far side before stopping upside down in a grass paddock where it continued to burn. I couldn't get to it fast enough to stop all of the close call onlookers from completely freaking out, thinking someone was inside being burned alive, but when I did get there it still took some convincing. Anyway nobody got hurt and that fault turned out to be fairly common in that exact situation, a sudden throttle shut going up a hill could cause a fuel pressure surge to pop the brass fuel fitting out of the (weber) carburetor and spray petrol onto the exhaust manifold that was also extra hot from the high throttle ascent. It all seemed to happen in a heartbeat then time stood still as the car took off on it's own... I've seen quite a few cars burn over the years but over half of them were from mechanical failure, the rest were insurance jobs or stolen cars getting 'cleansed'. I even witnessed a guy trying to set fire to his Musso that was bogged on a beach... he was trying to use diesel and couldn't get it to light.. lol Once I walked up on him he gave up and admitted he hated the car so much he wanted to burn it (and obviously collect more than the resale value).. absolutely priceless.

[@johnriggs4929]

​@@justluke9166liquids cannot be compressed.

[@garryjackson9161]

As a retired truck mechanic I have seen red hot turbos covered in diesel from broken injector pipes and still no fire 🔥

[@LogoLowgee]

All you have to do is check the safety warnings in a lithium battery for a radio control car and look at the safety warnings, we had to charge our batteries in fire proof bags and if they suffered any damage they could not be recharged.

[@Pantha51]

It goes to show that EV owners have got "money to burn"

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

I see what you did there

[@Nickle314]

Think of the insurance claim against the EV owner.

[@margaretpierce5268]

​@@Nickle314think of the insurance money the garages can claim as the can't sell the cars anyway!

[@stuartodell2828]

Yeah but it wasn’t an ev

[@GeoffBuysCars]

The hybrids are all business users, they never even charge ‘em 😂😂

[@colinsmith6074]

Back in the cold old days lorry drivers used light fires under the fuel lines and tanks to get started. Many moons ago in the army I had a lot of villagers waving to me in a fuel truck full of mixed Gerry cans one of which was split and dripping diesel over the exhaust. Smoke blowing all over the place found the offending can flipped it upside down and carried on our merry way.

[@ggee7391]

So did the German army on the eastern front - the clever Russians used petrol - ha ha

[@deniseblades41]

used to do that when I started long distance driving in 1970 occasionally, Dennis

[@markmiwurdz202]

@colinsmith6074. My dad was a lorry driver back in those old days. He used to carry an empty paint tin filled with rags as a makeshift "mini brazier" and some lighter fuel, to set a fire in and place under the icy cold fuel tank. Apparently, the diesel fuel of those days used to go "waxy" when subject to very cold temperatures and would not flow easily. A little bit of carefully applied "warmth" would help to cure the problem. Years later I was talking to an lorry owner - driver who said that modern diesel fuel had "anti - waxing" additives to prevent this problem in cold weather. He also told me that his Mercedes V8 wagon never had any problem starting in freezing temperatures. He said that the fuel pump was nestled in the V of the engine. The diesel fuel therein was kept a little bit warmer from the residual heat from the engine, and it always started in cold weather. And he would sleep in his cab in lay-bys on the A66 in the North of England during some of the hardest U.K. winters! Stay safe and well.

[@paulinglis2976]

You would have thought it was essential for the public to know the cause of the fire simply for safety reasons. However we no longer live in those times....

[@ryanc1451]

"You would have thought it was essential for the public to know the cause of the fire simply for safety reasons. However we no longer live in those times...." Imagine you waited until fire brigade has done their investigation before waving your persecution fetish about.

[@ScottZ370]

@@ryanc1451Bang on, if anything the times we are living in make couch potatoes want instant answers to everything.

[@Lebatron1970]

Yup we live in a post truth world now

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

The investigation is done. Still no answers

[@williamgeorgefraser]

I've been saying from the start if it was a diesel, it would be a hybrid. Firstly, diesel has to be heated to 210°C to catch fire. This won't happen in a parked car. Diesel has to be atomised to explode. There was a fireball which means the diesel had to be heated to an incredible degree. Outside of the injectors, the diesel is never under such high pressure. Just check out one of the videos about the Paddington rail crash and how a fireball shot through the HST. Either this was arson or it was a hybrid suffering thermal runaway. Anyone who has ever worked with diesel knows the official explanation is totally wrong.

[@WestfieldFreshAir]

It wasn't parked by the looks of things. Headlights etc are on as well. I wonder if drivers was in car, saw flames, stopped but got out leaving it running. That could cause diesel to still be pumping out.

[@andypicken7848]

williamgeorgefraser Defo a diesel they are death traps

[@TheTemporalAnomaly]

You are getting mixed up with flash point and auto ignition temperature. Diesel will happily burn in air when heated to around 50deg C with application of a flame. When heated to 210deg C (approx the auto ignition temp) it will ignite without application of a flame or ignition source. For diesel to burn in air it only has to be heated to above 50deg C, it has nothing to do with pressure. Having said all this, I do agree that the fire was most probably an electric of a hybrid.

[@mathewrussell1533]

He had just driven into the carpark

[@jagjay8033]

if your driving round in London in a petrol or diesel and paying the "charge" you should be able to take the dpf and the cat off because your paying to pollute anyway so it doesn't matter if its a bit or a lot

[@Zeetana1]

An airport parking building burnt out in Sola, Norway a few years back. At first they said it was an EV that started the fire, but it was quickly changed to blaming a diesel car in the media. I found the change suspicious, as they couldn't have had time to properly investigate that yet at the change. Even if it started from a diesel car and spread, it was the EV's on fire that made it burn for so long and the reason it couldn't be put out immediately. They're a hazard. Imagine how much worse they'll be once most EVs are Chinese. They are releasing cheaper, less safe EVs.

[@eddie1330]

I don't think it matters who or where the EV is made, but the batteries are nearly all mad is China As far as I know

[@erg0centric]

Chery Jaguar Land Rover Automotive Company Ltd.) is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Changshu, China.

[@nua1234]

Same car model burned down a shopping centre car park in Cork, Ireland a few years ago. Due to a design issue in the cabin heater.

[@runeaanderaa6840]

Since ICE cars catch fire about 100 times as EVs, maybe car parks should be divided into ICE and EV sections.

[@David-uf8ex]

Diesel has been on our roads for 70 years yea we often see them spontaneously combusting 🤪 they really do take us for 🤡🤡

[@stuartandrews4344]

Longer than that.

[@LowreyContractorsUK]

Regularly see them on fire ,,,,,,said no one ever 😂😂😂. 👍

[@cornishhh]

Yes. They think we're incredibly gullible.

[@globalist1990]

It's a confirmed diesel. The license plate was made public. Also this diesel car is not the same as diesel from 10 years ago, let alone that long ago.

[@DreweTube]

it was a cowling or something inside the engine that went up

[@Halfpenny05]

The chief fire officer who announced it was diesel has certainly forfeited any professional integrity he may have had.

[@SDK2006b]

Not really - because that is what it actually was : a full diesel RR Sport, not a hybrid. Looking up the number plate on the Government Tax & MOT site shows this 💡👍🏻

[@tobyraffles]

How did you get the reg no., when nobody else has it?.

[@SDK2006b]

@@tobyraffles - the reg number has been all over social media for 12+ hours. It can be identified from another video, shot from the front view of the car. It’s : E10 EFL Geoff clearly not mentioning it to milk out a few more videos 💰💰💰💰💰💰

[@michaelgoode9555]

Not at all. He has the evidence which ironically you choose to ignore. Whose integrity is through the collapsed carpark floor now then?

[@beardedtit7692]

@@SDK2006b What’s the reg.?

[@nheather]

Just reading a report on BBC saying that it is unlikely that any of the approx 1,500 cars in the car park will be salvageable. That is not really a surprise but what I do notice is that although the article describes the fire there is no mention of the source - it doesn’t mention EV or hybrid but more interestingly it doesn’t even say diesel. Earlier reports were very quick to say that it was a diesel but now they seem to have stopped mentioning it at all - I wonder why. My speculation is that they have now found out that it was a lithium battery fire in a diesel hybrid and they don’t want to draw any attention to that.

[@gazsykes67]

Heard today from the fire service that the fire started by a full Ev Range Rover the battery got too hot apparently there’s a fault with this model. You can bet that all EVs will not be allowed to park in any multi-storey car park or underground garage from now on

[@flippingcarsrepairs]

Is this true

[@barneyrubble9309]

Saying you "heard" is not proof. We need the receipts or its just hearsay.

[@bentullett6068]

It's a hybrid model not full EV

[@ianburnley6873]

Utter Tosh there is NO Range Rover EV.

[@liamtimms777]

@@ianburnley6873having they just released one

[@iangill8984]

Speaking to a friend who lives in Peterborough, he gets local TV including the Luton area. He saw the first mention of it on BBC and the person said it was an EV car plugged in and charging. Later BBC and the story changed to a diesel model. I have known him for 30 years and would accept his views at face value. Just dont know.

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

BBC are climate liars. If something wasn't truthful, they wouldn't try to discredit it using 'BBC Verify'. If they didn't want to distract from the EV crusade, they would have called it a car, not a diesel car

[@dinosshed]

I think the driver was still in it and looking for a space to park it. Definitely a hybrid that's had a battery issue.

[@jont508]

I saw the same BBC report on twitter from first thing in the morning and they stated EV started the fire , later reported as diesel by the BBC

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

@@jont508 can't have the truth coming out, if it interferes with 'The Message'

[@Whatshisname346]

Can we all just conclude it was the lizard people. Sneaky bas^%+ds.

[@Equiluxe1]

Back in the late 1970's I was driving down the M11 in a Leyland lorry looked in my mirror and saw a great white cloud trailing behind me so I pulled over to investigate. I found that the fuel pipe between the lift pump and the fuel filter had a crack in it and was spaying fuel directly onto the exhaust manifold, no fire or anything just a large cloud of fumes, I always kept some tools and things with me and by the time the police turned up I had made a repair with some plastic pipe and clips and was just about to move off again..All the fire that I have seen in petrol or Diesel vehicles have been started by electrical shorts.

[@brandonfromlondonuk3484]

To all EV owners out there in the world Sleep well with your EV outside your Home 🔥🔥🔥

[@juliegwilliam8503]

LOL.... whilst lying awake night after night worrying if their going to wake up after having their 5th B005Ter😮

[@keegan773]

Or in your garage 🔥🔥🔥

[@evelyngott2056]

Or in your attached garage....... Bye bye house

[@markbray2988]

I live in Switzerland and here it's very common for the garage to be located underneath the house/ apartment block... 😬

[@WestfieldFreshAir]

Or when your neighbour has 2 of the damned things, parked within 4ft of your own house.

[@andyxox4168]

At the Tesla dealership I heard that a potential customer had pulled up in a diesel range rover which spontaneously combusted and set fire to all the beautiful eco-teslas!

[@theclotshotdidit3115]

😂😂😂

[@GrrMeister]

[@CJGAMES4202]

Well what a shame that is. All those ugly Tesla's gone, what a damn shame

[@seamusmcmahon1182]

A diesel car would not spontaneously combust

[@gilesgreenaway5655]

😂😂😂

[@stevendunkley8284]

When I heard about he Luton fire and the wayy the car burnt soo fierecely through the floor of the carpark, I couldn't help but think of that scene in alien where the blood of a wounded xenomoph was burning through the hull of the Nostramo sending the crew into panic as it could breach and compromise the entire ship. That has gone from a sci fi concept to a lived reality now. Thermal runaway is seriously terrifying.

[@kevinoakes1171]

Geoff, don’t forget, a lot of newer vehicles come with a Lithium 12v starter battery, even if they are ICE vehicles. Salvage rebuilds channel, on KZbin, are rebuilding a BMW M4 at the moment and recently did a video showing how the car has a VERY, expensive, Lithium, starter battery which they revived after a long period of not being used. It doesn’t need to be a hybrid or full electric vehicle to have these things installed. Just a thought

[@remakeit2628]

Your phone has a lithium ion battery. You probably have power tools that also have lithium ion batteries. There are presently tens of billions - NOT MILLIONS - of lithium ion batteries in the world. I started counting for our household and stopped when I got to 30... 5 alone were in our electric toothbrushes and we had over 20 in rechargeable battery toys for our grand kids. Never got to tools, phones, notebooks or cameras but easy another 20.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

True, the 48volt mild hybrid ICE cars have small LiOn packs but it doesn't change the fact that statistically you are orders of magnitude less likely to have a fire in an EV than in a car with a petrol or Diesel engine. The NTSB data in the USA is clear on this...They have been collecting data on car fires for 20 years and with over 2 million EVs on the roads of the USA now the data is statistically significant.

[@IvermectinFTW]

​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 but that was before much of the world's lithium battery production moved to China...

[@f-u-nkyf-u-ntime]

​@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 that's extremely misleading. Firstly, what constitutes a vehicle fire is anything where fire is involved, not necessarily a spontaneous combustion. An electric vehicle fire is "orders of magnitude" more likely to be a spontaneous combustion and much more likely to cause serious and widespread damage.

[@SuperBloodyskull]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 we are talking about the good old US of A who on one hand see EVs and their batteries as a potential problem yet completely dismiss the idea that too many guns can possibly be the cause of all their shootings. That diesel car might have been the starting point for the fire and what exactly caused it to go up in flames is up for debate but it was multiple cars catching fire that lead to the total destruction of the place. Diesel is extremely hard to ignite without pressure but it can ignite without and it takes a prolonged flame to do so, an electrical fire on the inside igniting the interior would do it and then when it spreads to others it's a snowball effect.

[@fredflintstone1]

I am old and find getting into and out of my S-type difficult so I got a freelander much easier to get in and out, you ageist Geoff, as for diesel catching fire you try setting diesel on fire without a medium heating it up or fine spraying, it has less volatile fumes than petrol

[@andypicken7848]

andymaidment111 I had one back in the day great vehicle but it caught fire

[@fredflintstone1]

@@andypicken7848 yes but you were supposed to build the bonfire outside the car🙂

[@crabby7668]

@@fredflintstone1 yes always barbecue outside the vehicle😊

[@fredflintstone1]

@@crabby7668 what even in the rain😞

[@tylerdurden4006]

Protip, diesel burns a very thick and black smoke (if it even lights, which is hard to do) and not white and dripping fluids from the middle of underneath where the batteries are stored.

[@Jasondickinson_vehicleservices]

As soon as I heard them say on Radio 1…”it was a Diesel car”. Made me say straight away, “well it wasn’t then” 😂 can’t fool me

[@crumbschief5628]

Only you can fool you, well done on fooling yourself.

[@ggee7391]

Who listens to Radio 1 anymore?

[@Whatshisname346]

Seems like someone else fooled you first!

[@marysmik9812]

Kowalski, Polish souls are skeptical from birth. :-))

[@CPTLYNXY]

all the blacks and liberals

[@B16D4VE]

L322 td6 2005 - purchased 18 months ago and the best car I’ve ever owned. And yes Geoff it was unbelievable in the snow here in Yorkshire last winter. 12,000 miles so far and no faults. Buy one. It’s like sticking 2 fingers up at Just stop oil.

[@Scotty-UK]

Indeed older RR are better this blokes a clown 🤡

[@Craiglutton]

I also own an L322 2006. Apart from the normal . maintenence never had a problem with it, and its great all round. Would recommend as rated the best model. All the newer ones breakdown all the time and also as you also see catch fire.

[@MaxHines-mg2rs]

Hi Geoff. I'm in OZ - really like your 'not-so-serious' approach to the stupidity we are all being subjected to in the name of 'progress' and 'sustainability'. Have you seen the 'success' of the implementation of driverless taxis in San Francisco? Just wait untill AV is integrated with EV - a real recipe for disaster!!

[@davidrobert2007]

All of this is the reason I own the most basic and simple car I could find. Conventional dinosaur technology FTW 😄

[@B.a.S.t.A.r.D.]

What you got 🤔 i drive a c1 😂 love the simplicity of it all 👍

[@davidrobert2007]

@@B.a.S.t.A.r.D. Fiat Panda 😎 #pandagang

[@B.a.S.t.A.r.D.]

@@davidrobert2007 Nice 👍 i was thinking of getting one myself good choice 😉

[@davidrobert2007]

@@B.a.S.t.A.r.D. You got pretty much the same thing - conventional, basic, service it yourself, no diesel emissions equipment to fail, no dual mass flywheel, and £35 tax for a whole year. It costs a bit more than a MOPED to run lol - happy days

[@B.a.S.t.A.r.D.]

@@davidrobert2007 Sounds good 😌 I like the 4x4 panda i heard they were easy to work on to . I do all the work on my C1 so easy lol love it 🤔

[@camwhitman5425]

For what it’s worth…there is one company that has access to all of the modern vehicles’ network systems. So for example when you hear of someone having the accelerator go to the floor and a mysterious death involved and talk that the car was taken over remotely…it’s that kind of scenario. That company is located in a little country in the Middle-East, supposedly our ally. It’s the one in the news recently.

[@SteamCrane]

Watching some of these EV battery fires, I've been thinking you could make a pretty good cutting torch with one of these cells. Haven't quite figured out how to shut it off when you're done working yet.

[@BLOWN8CYLINDER]

I think the only Range Rover I would go for is one from the mid 1980's with the V8 petrol engine.... It's simple.... it has no computer ... and sounds sweet!

[@Craig-wp3pz]

I'll take a Rang Rover Classic, with a TDi200/300 please!!

[@PillSharks]

@@Craig-wp3pznot many tdi classics left around now!

[@Craig-wp3pz]

@@PillSharks got a 54'000 Defender 110 300TDi Automatic up for swaps if I see one!

[@Ridingnz46]

And nice ending music too

[@bentullett6068]

​@@PillSharksTDi classics got brought up and run into the ground by farmer's or turned into or donated parts for extreme off roading. V8 ones tended to escape this and survive in bigger numbers.

[@NotJanine777]

We have a BMW X5 45e and that had to go back about 18 months ago to have some of the batteries changed as there was a fire risk - we weren’t allowed to charge it until it had been fixed (which took 3-weeks).

[@bentullett6068]

As I have mentioned on previous comments on this fire. The day before it happened a Daily Mail article flashed up on the Google feed on my phone stating a fire with a plug in hybrid BMW 5 series in Clapham. So if what you are saying is correct this car may also have required that recall update.

[@richacker9416]

A recent study by US insurer, AutoinsuranceEZ found that hybrid cars had the worst fire record, while EVs were the least likely type of car to catch fire. Hybrid cars had 3474.5 fires per 100,000 sale; petrol cars had 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales and EVs had just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales.Jun 20, 2023

[@scottcook8443]

Hi Geoff I have been a technician for a long time, I've worked at a jlr dealer we had to carry out recalls on cars before cars was sold. Dpf's have to reach a certain standards no eml on, over 1/4 tank of fuel and travelling at a certain speed to make sure the car is happy to carry out a regeneration. Even doing a forced regeneration you need to meet the standards. Loving the channel Geoff

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Ah thanks, what’s your opinion on this one then…?

[@jockwilson-b8d]

20mph will have them all up in smoke hhhaa

[@lukemundy4023]

I've welded an exhaust stood in a puddle of diesel its hard to ignite ,, judging from this I'd say it was an EV/Hybrid judging by how intense the flames and damage is ,, I've seen a few Ev's burn and this looks just like that,, its coming from the center of the car which is where the main battery is mounted

[@stanweaver6116]

One of my subcontractors welded a crack in his diesel tank on his Forano buncher when it was full of fuel. I definitely wouldn’t recommend doing that, but he maintained that it was the safest way to do it. No fire, nothing happened at all other than the tank stopped leaking.

[@lukemundy4023]

@@stanweaver6116 yh that's pushing your luck lol maybe i'm a chicken but i'd drain it first

[@siraff4461]

@@lukemundy4023 Not really. If it was half full it would be a big problem but if it was completely full he just can't stay on the stick too long at a time.

[@michaelstansfield3085]

An empty tank with diesel residue and possibly diesel saturated sludge would be a major problem. Give me the full tank and like my learned friend said, “full tank safer and don’t dwell too long on one spot.

[@nidgeoldham8966]

yes its common practice if welding containers of flammable liquid to use an inert gas such as Argon to fill any void where air /oxygen may be present ..a fire cannot burn without oxygen.

[@Daijyobanai]

However the fire *started* the fact it burned so bright and took the entire structure with it was because it spread to EVs, and also there was no sprinkler system but that would not have helped much with the EV fires that followed.

[@8skellerns]

Liverpool car park fire collapsed, with no EV in sight.

[@iainansell5930]

@@8skellerns its all that shitty concrete that they made the schools out of...

[@martinbrookes1372]

Will the all electric Land Rover range be known as Hot stuff ?

[@goldilocks913]

No key needed, just sing the tune 😂

[@alasdair4161]

Yesterday I parked alongside an Evoque that was in the process of having a weird electrical failure. It was actually hilarious to watch as the power fold mirrors were randomly opening and closing, the horn was pipping in bursts along with the indicators flashing in a pseudo random fashion. I kept my engine running while half expecting to see smoke start jetting out, I was ready to get away. The reaction of pedestrians was priceless, getting surprised by the sudden crazy horn pips they'd stop, glare into the car then walk a few more steps, look again seeing the ears wagging in and out and then look around like they were on candid camera. It even caught my wife who walked back past it, stopped the same way thinking someone was having a joke, then got in and asked 'what's wrong with that car?' where I simply answered 'It's a Land Rover...' interestingly, that was enough of an answer to silence her curiosity.

[@christownsend7602]

There will be a higher number of fires in ICE vehicles simply because of the vast difference in how many are on the road, so that figure doesn't mean anything. I have diesel vehicle and use the fuel I drain out of my water trap to help start fires in my wood stove, it will burn if you use a torch to get it going when added to paper, my point is that when I do that it smokes a lot so that fire probably isn't diesel due to lack of smoke.

[@lorddarlo6194]

Apparently someone got the plate and it was but that was of the car they think to be the cause. But no I would agree so unless the Battery caused the Diesel to catch fire but the lights are still on so the Electrics or Engine are still running

[@guy4469]

I hope the EV Family are doing ok now and things are getting better .

[@rosswootton8825]

My understanding is that diesel doesn’t burn like petrol and wouldn’t ignite if you put a match to it. Diesel only explodes in an engine when under high compression (far higher than in a petrol engine) so this whole thing seems suspicious to me. I personally think it was a hybrid car.

[@Tezzzaaa]

Your understanding is correct. Diesel is extremely tricky to ignite and when lit is a slow steady burn.

[@philg7889]

Only a matter of time until it's undusputable. They can't hide their lies forever.

[@ghunt9146]

They'll keep the lid on it untill something makes a freedom of information request. You have to read between the lines, not incorrect information but incomplete information.

[@stephensalt6787]

One point about car size, all cars have grown due to crash safety, side impact, air bags etc plus all the computer stuff to control emissions ride handling etc. Your Renault 10 would never pass the crash tests. Keep up the good work Geoff.

[@bentullett6068]

It makes you more alert to not crash it.

[@GF-mf7ml]

Every car getting bigger there's no advantage for safety. The road didn't getting bigger. Make traffic harder to drive. Safety go backwards the door need battery to open, car quality go downward, and uncontrollable fire if go wrong.

[@Tailspin80]

I’ve had my car since 2009 and it hasn’t grown at all.

[@CrusaderSports250]

@@GF-mf7ml the larger the car the more room for effective crumple zones, just look at the size of cars from the seventies or eighties compared to those of today, and also look at the weights and how they too have increased, with the greater size giving better crumple zones and the more effective shell reinforcements I know which one I would rather be in in event of an impact,

[@davideyres955]

Sorry, but I don’t think that’s right. Look at where the size is distributed. Most modern vehicles have much much bigger central console area. Ie the gap between the front seats. This is very limited from a safety point of view. Take a VW polo. The current polo is the same size as the mk4 golf. It’s just a marketing shite so they can say it’s bigger. Sure people are getting slightly bigger on average but all cars are growing to show they have more space.

[@IvermectinFTW]

They can hide the information on lithium battery fires but they can't hide the insurance hikes that are coming for EV owners 😅

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

I've heard that story for several years now. When is it going to happen? My EV insurance is still cheap af.

[@sparky6612]

Unfortunately, the insurance companies are hiking up insurance policies for ALL car owners in order to subsidise the high risk of EVs that are now having to be written off for minor damage due to the risk of battery cells being compromised and possibly catch fire weeks after the prang. Also any EVs involved in accidents have to be stored in isolated compounds away from other vehicles and buildings which is a cost the insurance companies are getting hammered with.

[@IvermectinFTW]

@@Tschacki_Quacki - it might not go up that much but instead you'll get a letter saying your insurance company will no longer insure your battery powered car

[@margaretdent1312]

My hybrid insurance has doubled in two year from a diesel both 2l cars!

[@phillyphil1513]

my daughter in NJ just got a notice from her Ins Co Liberty Mutual (dated 9/27/2023) that they have filed for a rate increase of 24% for the entire Private Passenger Automobile line of business. edit: my daughter drives Gas.

[@SuperDeadlen]

A fire caused a partial collapse of a new multi-storey car park at Luton Airport, with hundreds of cars burnt and many flights cancelled. A spokesman said, "This is fucked up on so many levels."

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Ah ha ha ha ha I wish I’d thought of that!!!!

[@SuperDeadlen]

@@GeoffBuysCars Had to be said Geoff, top work btw!

[@Mark-wx1ho]

Not for one moment do I think that EVs are the future or more 'green.' If people want to buy them, so be it. Each to their own.

[@scottw5315]

Agreed! We need to throw out the green politicians pushing them on us. State run businesses worked to well for the Soviets.

[@juliegwilliam8503]

At least they won't need to buy a coffin or pay for a cremation.....they come free with the EV 😂

[@Mark-wx1ho]

​@@juliegwilliam8503Even better. Good point.

[@richardjohnson8009]

If the vehicle can cause harm to others I would think it would be illegal, the mass and speed hitting a normal car would transfer more force to the less heavy car, beside the elephant in the room. If this is causing so much damage either the concept of an ev is flawed or this needs a recall, cant have the equivalent of OK bombings happening almost every day

[@scottw5315]

The current crop of green politicians need to be summarily tossed out of office. @@richardjohnson8009

[@Fastandpro]

I went off to the Canary Islands with a nurse. Had a hard job explaining to the wife why I flew to Birmingham for a doctor's conference from Luton as we live in Manchester. I will miss the wife but a new Range Rover will be rather nice. Asked the garage to put vinal flames on the doors.

[@LickorishAllsorts]

The government would tell you it was a one off special fuelled by unicorn piss if they thought they could get away with it.

[@Paul-g6v3g]

Safe and effective 😂

[@johnlawson906]

This had to be an electric car ,it melted right through a reinforced concrete floor ,only an EV can produce enough heat to do that .

[@u2kjib4cjkqn]

Yes it has to be extreme heat to affect concrete diesel won’t do that.

[@crumbschief5628]

It was not reinforced concrete, it is an open steel structure with metal plates. At about 600 degrees the steel buckles, any car fire will achieve that.

[@xr6lad]

@@crumbschief5628it was a concrete structure and yes it would have been reinforced - they do not just lay a slab of concrete for the car park surface. Give. Me fck strength. With a metal support frame between each level and round the outside.

[@TheByard]

The rebar expands with heat and burst's the concrete, the same as rust does. Thats why there should be no repair garages or fuel storage or other highly combustible material storage under bridges and viaducts.@@xr6lad

[@craigchamberlain]

Geez, an EV is not a nuclear reactor - you don’t get the “China Syndrome” when lithium batteries catch fire. Besides, have you heard of the 9/11 attack on the twin towers in New York? That was a jet fuel fire that caused weakening of the steel structure of the buildings and caused complete collapse. Jet fuel is basically Kerosene which is similar enough to diesel that a diesel car can run on it. It’s not as flammable as petrol but it will certainly burn, especially when atomised or in the presence of other flammable materials. Or are you going to suggest that those must have been EV powered aircraft?

[@labman20]

What I find interesting is if you watch and listen to the initial footage of the car fire you can hear things popping. Sounds very much like small batteries popping, could be something else entirely though.

[@ShevillMathers]

It could have been a bag of Chinese fireworks popping off that the owner was saving for bonfire night!! Oh, wait until hundreds of cheap Tofu-dreg ev’s hit the streets…….😮

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

Those are the airbags. It can't be batteries since it's just a regular ass diesel car.

[@JonnyS281]

Quick observation, the lights are on which would indicate the 12v battery is still providing power, so the initial claims of it being in the 12v system seem less plausible. The hybrid battery could happily combust while the other electronics carried on working.

[@CPTLYNXY]

Its a blocked DPF thats overheated the underside of the vehicle causing a chain reaction of combustion events

[@TChighbury]

The hybrid battery would struggle to combust as it doesn't exist in the diesel version

[@MrChakra108]

Land Rover Evoque diesel is not a PHEV, but a mild hybrid with a microscopic battery just as Toyota mild hybrids. All PHEVs are petrols. Even if it was Evoque diesel mild hybrid, the battery wouldn't even catch fire and if it did, it wouldn't be a big deal as it's microscopic. The video author is talking bollocks. He's getting clicks, clicks generate ads, ads give him income. And he's getting clicks because of ignorant people's cognitive biases against EVs - they hate them and try to invent explanations for their irrational sentiments to rationalise them.

[@dianeunderhill8506]

@@MrChakra108 EV's are evil!!! They are a disaster waiting to happen. It is a known fact they are a fire risk but people are being misled, more fool them for buying death traps!

[@landzw]

Land Rover offer both petrol and diesel for PHEVS and all the electronics like converter and battery is on the left front side under the front passenger. You may have an opinion of the author, my suggestion to you is not to waste your time giving him hits if you don’t agree with him, or put your point across without the need of being a dick.

[@robg521]

Interesting thought, most petrol and diesel car fires are started by electrical faults in the engine bay. 🤔. Damm safe stuff this electricity isn’t it.

[@whocares264]

lucky you don't have any in your home...

[@lukedavis436]

The device you typed this comment on uses it lol

[@robg521]

I have spent 38 years working in the electrical utility supply industry, I started off as an Electrician connecting the cables from household voltage up to 132,000 volts, i then became an engineer in charge of building networks feeding housing estates and businesses up to 11,000 volts, I am now a design engineer who’s job it is to check and approve the proposed design of new electrical networks and infrastructures that other engineers are going to build.. Some of the designs I have to check and approve are for EV charging stations. …. If you want to know how dangerous this stuff is you can always ask 😂😁

[@stedlocks]

As a recently retired firefighter, my initial thoughts were; 1. Bomb 2. Electric vehicle battery fire. Nothing has changed my thoughts!🤷🏻‍♂️

[@20121961]

Unlikely to have been a bomb.

[@AlmostLastJedi]

And it clearly wasn’t an EV lol.

[@ryanc1451]

As a recently retired firefighter, its easy to see WHY you retired...

[@sorinelpustiu5674]

it's a good thing you retired. it was a diesel

[@sephiroth127]

How many EV fires have you put out in your fire fighter career?

[@klimenz]

Geoff. How would you explain yourself to police if that RR really caught fire on camera :)

[@SFlightline]

@kilmenz 'Excuse me officer, I was taking my suit cases out of my car when I noticed that RR over there just spontaneously burst into flames... I called the emergency services straight away, then filmed it for a short while to show to the Fire Service what sort of fire they were dealing with, and to stop the News Media blaming it on a fossil fuelled vehicle instead of reporting the truth that it was an EV!' There, how's that?

[@paulscreech128]

It seems to me as if the Range Rover that caught fire at Luton wasn't parked in a bay & was left in the middle of the lane, could it have been on fire & the owner had to get out & leave it ?

[@g0fvt]

The soundest theory yet, for a lot of people a drive to the airport is one of their longest drives of the year, car may have started doing a troublesome regen just before it was abandoned.

[@colingeer479]

This was one of the funniest and most informative videos you've ever done! Wife and I were chuckling throughout! Keep it up, Geoff!

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I had so much fun making and editing it. It’s funny because when I write the script it’s meant to be serious and it goes out the window as soon as I start the camera 😂😂

[@davidnash8586]

I was struck yesterday by the lack of videos by ANYONE, like where was Lee or Pedoped if that’s his name or the car wow man ?

[@MrMaxeemum]

I've had a diesel Land Rover and it leaked like a sieve, as they do when not maintained, it leaked more than it used and it never set on fire, it just left puddles everywhere it was parked.

[@DavidBrown-fq3ri]

Just marking its territory🤔

[@RenghisKhan]

Did you name it 'Incontinence Buttocks'?

[@rjm64r]

Top video by someone who is clearly clued up.Becoming my favourite watch.

[@simonruddy8265]

Probably a Lithium battery fire in the Range Rover, and saved about 5kg in weight, even if it wasn't a Hybrid. My DPF blocked on my Transit van because it never did a cleaning cycle cos as a casual user I never had the fuel tank more than 1/4 full an doesn't work until over 1/4 tank. Great content Geoff.

[@seanworkman431]

DPF is a bit silly because a particulate is heavy and thus falls to the ground but a DPf in regen. is a contained high heat fire. In Australia quite a few diesel utilities started grass fires with the driver then fleeing the vehicle and a lot of people just don't understand the technology thus driving around town never gives them a chance to regen.

[@BillyBob-rm3ve]

Has that video been verified as definitely from the Airport car park on the actual day?

[@eyesodd]

I looked up the Liverpool carpark fire yesterday. Near the top of the results was something like, "Mayor confirms what caused blaze", he said it was due to a conversion to a, "different fuel arrangement" , whatever that means.

[@roviwoteap2375]

So all of a sudden a mayor is a fire investigation expert... Not!

[@russellfelton6610]

It leaked fuel which caught fire and ran down from level to level. It was an old Landry.

[@eyesodd]

@@russellfelton6610 I'm guessing a dodgy home installed LPG gas conversion, would explain "different fuel arrangement".

[@eyesodd]

@@roviwoteap2375 Never. But think logically, he had obviously been briefed and was giving the official statement.

[@SFlightline]

Who believes anything that comes out of Liverpool, other than the Beatles??

[@mdf2mdf287]

Has anyone confirmed that the JLR fire photo is actually in Luton airport car park.? The photo could be in any one of the dozens of multi storey car parks I have been in.. Like you say, until the Luton car park security footage is released to confirm it was in their car park, the photo could have been taken in Grimsby multi story as it looks very similar to that photo.

[@R8HAIDER]

It is TCP 2 at LTN as I used to work for Apcoa Parking at LTN. In terms of cctv footage, they only had camera's on entry and exit barriers unless they've installed new ones since, but I doubt that.

[@mdf2mdf287]

@@R8HAIDER Thank you for clearing that up, every day is a school day. I would love to know your, (non partisan), thoughts about the official report when it comes out.

[@webrumrunner]

Surely there must be a CCTV image of the fire starting in the car park. The recording of the vehicle on fire is on a hard drive somewhere.

[@kevelliott]

I'm 70, have been driving since I was 17. I've driven petrol cars all my life. My two cars currently are a 2003 Vauxhall Astra estate and a 1967 Triumph Spitfire. I've never been worried about fire...

[@SimonBlandford]

Now we have to worry about someone else’s car’s fire though!

[@kevelliott]

@@SimonBlandford Dead right!

[@jasoncatt]

The car's registration number is E10EFL, registered to a Range Rover Sport Diesel. Not a hybrid.

[@brianstubberfield2116]

Can’t believe that you doubt the official line from the fire brigade. 😂

[@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR]

If mainstream media have outright said it was a diesel, then you can be sure it was an ev of some kind.

[@Craig-wp3pz]

Would be interested to know if the Luton Land Rover had just been given a good flogging down the motorway 🛣 on the way to the airport, with nice hot brakes from coming off the slip roads, so hot Turbos, and hot brakes,add in a DPF system having started some kind of regeneration attempt, further increasing engine bay temperatures, and then suddenly being parked, and turned off in, essentially an indoor, windless area, allowing heat to build, then combustion of the lithium based power cell 🌡 🔋 🔋🔥, 😢😮

[@Nickle314]

The last MOT for a vehicle others are saying is the one that went up Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories): Front Brake pad(s) wearing thin (1.1.13 (a) (ii)) Rear Brake pad(s) wearing thin (1.1.13 (a) (ii)) Front Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii)) Rear Brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii))

[@lorddarlo6194]

Yeah but it hadn't been turned off or parked it was in the middle on the ramp and the rear lights were still on meaning the Car had still been running

[@lorddarlo6194]

​@@Nickle314What's the Plate

[@Craig-wp3pz]

@@Nickle314 plate and or Specific model number/fuel type/ taxation bracket would be helpful!!!!!!

[@CosmicSeeker69]

2023 🤯

[@brucehobday392]

Great video Geoff, thanks for producing it especially re Luton, and the previous one. I shared it on my local “Nextdoor” site and was lambasted with negativity by an EV owner, basically slagging off your video reasoning. Others on the site are dubious as I am, about Hybrids/ EV’s, not least of all the prices, and Lithium battery issues. But this EV owner and one other seemed hell bent to slag off other peoples viewpoints. Thanks again.

[@dougle03]

It's called cognitive dissonance. Those two individuals have invested money in their EV's and will by default defend them, because they are really defending their decisions to buy them. It's a fairly common quirk of human nature. No one wants' to feel stupid that they were misled, or that they made a poor choice, thus they will defend to their last breath their decision making powers; the alternative takes far too much mental energy...

[@edwardotto1528]

In my limited experience - the colour of the flames indicates the temperature of the fire at it's source. White is the hottest - so go figure !

[@oliverpolden]

The colour depends on what is burning, not how hot it is. It’s how firework colours work.

[@miff227]

@@oliverpolden and I think red/orange points to metal fires.

[@sextonblake4258]

They call them "mild hybrids". So they have a clunking great bomb, sorry battery. You are right about the diesel smoke. I found one at Beaconsfield a few years ago. There was so much smoke I dialled 999 in fear of swamping the M40 and causing g a major incident.

[@MJ-zo5gb]

A quote from an article on Jalopnik: “Analysts from AutoInsuranceEZ examined data from the National Transportation Safety Board to track the number of car fires and compared it to sales data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. The result? Hybrid-powered cars were involved in about 3,475 fires per every 100,000 sold. Gasoline-powered cars, about 1,530. Electric vehicles (EVs) saw just 25 fires per 100,000 sold. “

[@rabbitingon2503]

I thought the fire started on the (unroofed) top level? That Range Rover? Is still climbing up??🧐🤨

[@garymc3519]

I've read other opinions that are hinting that it's not the Range Rover that's parked and on fire. It's going past a parked car on fire

[@moonbaby6134]

Diesel will not ignite unless under severe pressure or a sustained heat/flame. As someone who deals with fuels and electrical systems in aviation my best guess is would be the battery suffered some kind of thermal runaway, caught fire, and then this ignited the diesel. I’m not a fire expert but in many aviation accidents and tests this would be the likeliest of scenarios. If others have a different viewpoint, it would be interesting to hear. 🤙

[@gordonanderson6216]

There is no mystery here, the fire brigade will have put the vin number on the fire report, which the insurance provider will want to see. From this number, the exact model can be ascertained. Snag is, will this info get buried where it can't be found?

[@gunnergee2655]

Theory 3. A diesel car still needs a battery, is Land Rover's battery a lithium type? (could catch fire still).

[@andybrice2711]

As I understand it: Almost all cars have 12v lead-acid batteries for the electronics. Even most EVs. But electrical faults are the most common cause of stationary vehicle fires.

[@Castlebravo100]

I don't believe it really matters what started the fire. The more important question is why did it get out of control so fast and spread through a multistory car park and destroy around 1,500 cars and cause parts of the car park to collapse? I assume like all airports Luton airport has fire engines on standby all the time, so why could they not put this fire out before it did so much damage? Everything points to a fire that was made much worse as the result of EV's catching fire as a result of the initial fire.

[@ThatMicro43Guy]

All well and good Geoff. Where the fire started is one thing but the fact that there were EVs in close proximity in the car park still makes it an EV fire as once one of them is set alight then they will go into runaway and you won’t put them out.

[@wrutherfordx3x]

Well that's a pretty weird perception of reality. So if a toaster goes on fire and burns all other appliances in a kitchen, is it their fault for going on fire? 😅😂😊 What a deluded clown.

[@TChighbury]

Got it. So if an EV caught fire and set light to petrol vehicles nearby, you'd call that a petrol car fire right?

[@ThatMicro43Guy]

@@TChighbury no, I’d call them both EV fires because they are both difficult to extinguish and a much, much bigger risk to safety. If it were all diesel vehicles it would be much easier to put out with normal fire equipment. Did you actually watch the video and listen to what was being said? Don’t be pedantic just for the sake of it.

[@TChighbury]

@@ThatMicro43Guy I'd say pedantic is continuing to blame something for being on fire despite something different being the cause. Just so you know the EV charging parking at Luton where the majority of EVs and PHEVs were parked was totally unaffected. So it would have been petrol/diesel and mostly NiMH hybrids next to the burning car. NiMH doesn't ignite when exposed to oxygen and the materials they are made of are non-flammable. But yeah let's blame it on those pesky EVs sitting on Level 2 all charging like nothing happened!

[@theoneandyt]

This is hilarious. You're so desperate to show it's an EV fire that literally any disaster where an EV is within visual range is the fault of the EV 😂

[@CarlFell-i8v]

Hi Geoff the range rover sport behind you only came with a 2ltr 4 cylinder petrol plug in hybrid. The 32kw hybrid battery sat under the boot floor. The car was reasonably reliable and for some customers the set up worked well. The deisel versions were both stop starts with conventional 12v lead acid batteries. The most common engine was the 3ltr V6 diesel which had the exhaust particulate filter under the front passenger foot well. I think the 4.4 v8 was the other side but I can't remember. There was also a 5.0 ltr v8 petrol supercharged model with twin cats and I think a petrol particulate filter. Petrol particulate filters have to do a regeneration but not as often. All the range rover sports and large platform landrover cars have there engines mounted lengthways. The picture you have of a landrover drive train is a transverse lay out as used by the later evoque and discovery sport about 2020 on. In this case the picture shows a mild hybrid battery(lithium iron 50volt). It is only a small step up from a stop start. They come in 4cyl deisel or petrol. There is also a full plug in hybrid with a 3cyl 1.5ltr petrol. The large hybrid battery 380 volts sits under the boot floor. The later evoque that can have have the hybrid power train ,has wider horizontal strip like rear lights unlike the air port inferno car. I hope this is useful and you haven't fallen asleep reading it. PS when I worked on landrovers I felt whilst they had issues, they weren't much worse than other makes which have a reputation for reliability. I still think they make some of the best products. Why by something else which you just don't want.

[@Spatan117]

🙄ffs

[@BlackAndDeckerBoy]

Plenty of evidence this was a 2014 build pure diesel RR. Diesel fuelled preheated on left side . General safety recall on this model due to prevalence of fires. Rather than banning EVs from car parks, maybe we simply ban ICE cars with a known fire risk such as this model of Range Rover?