The Mysterious Death of Thelma Todd - Vintage Hollywood Crime

#Hollywood #history #crime
Thelma Todd was one of early Hollywood's brightest stars,
until she was found dead in 1935.
Although her death was ruled a suicide,
many believe she was actually murdered.
Who killed her? No one knew then, and no one knows today.
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[@shelleyfowler8064]

Oddie, you brilliant, sparkling jewel, you!😆

[@OffTheWagons]

Absolutely love you. You may be one of the only people who can take me out of my depressive episodes and get me out of my own head- remind me that there are still those who respect others and whom want to make life better and not harder. Truly appreciate all you have done and will do in the future. I know it is cliched to claim you helped me during depression but it is a fact. You and this other lovely channel that tells stories of long lost duchesses and French princesses have been a savior to me as if God brought me directly to you for that purpose. Thank you❤️

[@chakkachewy8905]

Glad you are alive, what an awesome cat to save you.

[@francesjolly5106]

If very in my budget your channel would be

[@francesjolly5106]

Sorry meant your channel would be one I would support. Can only do this by liking and commenting! Fantastic artistic touches. So glad you narrate now.

[@karenthomas4849]

Thelma just wanted to put her financial security investment into the restaurant because she knew acting was not forever, she had so many shady people around her that wanted a piece of it. to many threats, she was murdered I believe.

[@healinggrounds19]

I have loved Thelma Todd and been fascinated by her ever since my high school theatre teacher held up my "headshot " next to Thelma Todd's picture and and told me I was her double. To a low esteem girl who felt like an ugly duckling, that was such a compliment. I started collecting Thelma Todd memorabilia and still do today.

[@deniserichardson630]

Wow that’s exciting!! She was beautiful!

[@rhonapeterson514]

Well then,you must be beautiful!

[@healinggrounds19]

@@rhonapeterson514 haha. I think she was just trying to boost my self esteem. I might be a chubby Thelma.

[@rhonapeterson514]

@@healinggrounds19 I'm chubby to! Lol

[@michellediduch2955]

That is such a cool compliment. I bet that meant the world to you.

[@trishplanck9776]

The broken nose is key in my opinion. Not only were investigations not very thorough back then but there was also a lot of corruption with people being paid off to either keep their mouth shut or to lie. It would seem that this death was personal to someone because nothing was stolen from the car or her person. Excellent presentation Oddie, thank you for all your hard work.🤗☺️

[@primesspct2]

agreed.

[@joanbrennan2534]

Although, if she was intoxicated and walked up hill or stairs to garage while wearing high heels, she easily could have broken nose from a fall. Holding her handbag in one hand and cluching her mink coat closed with other hand, it's not uncommon for inebriated people to fall... in my opinion.

[@trishplanck9776]

@@joanbrennan2534 That could be.

[@MusicLeeSarah]

@@joanbrennan2534 I get what you're saying but having been inebriated person who has fallen in high heels I've injured my wrists more times than my face because I brace for the fall. Even having been drunk as a skunk they're still that reaction that subconscious physical reaction to brace yourself. I mean to fall flat on your face you'd have to be really drunk so drunk that you're not clutching your purse and coat anymore before the fall. I'm happy to get completely wasted and act out my hypothesis and let you know the results of said experiment 😉 But for real I have fallen in high heels very drunk at least a dozen times of my life and I've never fallen flat on my face. In theory it's possible but not probable, in my opinion. But who am I? just some high heel wearing drunkard... 😆😆🤪🤪

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@Trish - Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@neopagan1976]

I say it was murder. There are just far too many unanswered questions surrounding this young woman's tragic death. There are also far to many conflicting accounts surrounding this tragedy. Back then criminal investigation was laughable at best.

[@daisybenton7784]

I know right

[@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470]

Not much different now

[@neopagan1976]

@@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470 - In many ways, you're absolutely right about that.

[@anneheimburger3186]

I think her husband murdered her. He Went on to become married to Gloria Vanderbilt, who he physically Abused.

[@neopagan1976]

@@anneheimburger3186 That's quite an interesting theory. It wouldn't surprise me at all. If this man was truly abusive to his second wife, then it only makes sense that he physically abused his first wife too. If you're right about this man, hopefully he's burning in hell right now.

[@caroleroseburgh1344]

This was very eye opening to say the least 🤔. I don't believe she DIED of an apparent suicide. I do believe she was murdered 🙄. There was just Too many coincidences.

[@Chrissy259]

Carole, I agree Thelma was probably beat up by one of the psycho gangsters of the era or Pasquale de Cicco her brutal lover. Gangsters and De Cicco are about the samething. De cicco knew mobsters.

[@jerulew3547]

The cameo of Thelma when her eyes blinked and a smile was great. Love the way you make the scenes come to life! So classy. I love yr stories. Thank you for the entertainment.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much, I’m glad you enjoyed it - much appreciated.

[@danom3572]

Punched out and left in the garage, could've been set up or tried to drive away but passed out again....still, it'd be interesting to find the police report. I know most of the stories you've covered but tbh I look forward to the little chats afterwards. Lovely, thank you.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@bohemianharvest3810]

No ripped skin and no bruising. The broken nose could have resulted when she slumped over after passing out from carbon monoxide poisoning. She partied a bit too hardy. I rule her death accidental, not suicide

[@jpsym9]

Those are my theories as well.

[@dianadiva58]

Great story, I believe that Roland and his wife are a bit suspicious, opening the restaurant just after her funeral

[@valeriereyes5552]

It's amazing that her cafe location has survived. I grew up in Ventura county and always wondered about the cafe location every time I'd drive by it on the PCH. I didn't know about Thelma's story until I was an adult. The building was vancant for many many years. Until recently, it now has been fully renovated and still just as beautiful as ever. There is a home for sale which is located just above the cafe. It shares the same walkway to the garage which is near the garage where Thelma was found. It's so incredibly sad what happened to her and hope she is resting, at peace, admiring the ocean view from her beloved cafe, from time to time.. 🙏🏼❤️

[@yeseniah7373]

Thanks for the info! interesting to know how these places end up.

[@christineparis5607]

I saw it when I lived in LA. It's still evokes a sense of the past and mystery, to me. So many people came to Hollywood and fashioned their own pasts and realities.

[@hudsonvie]

Dear Oddie, you give immortality to the once forgotten. Thanks

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That's very kind of you, thank you for that.

[@renee1961]

I read a book years ago, but you fill Thelma out as a person. Never saw anyone cover her Case!

[@renpixie]

Hello Oddie, I grew up in San Diego. My understanding of the Whaley House is that at one time it was rented out & used as a courthouse . The area next to it is where the gallows was set up & the house was expanded and eventually covered the gallows area. I visited the house approx 15 years ago & was touring the upstairs area. The bedrooms had plexiglass installed to limit access but to my left were some curtains which would sporadically blow as if a gentle wind current was tweaking them. When I was downstairs I mentioned this to a docent & asked if there were drafts in that area. She smiled & said no.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Fascinating! Thanks for sharing that.

[@NobleHorse-gq4li]

I am from San Diego too. Bred and born. The Whaley House is super weird. But nothing showed up in my photos a few years ago when we visited.

[@mermeow]

Yeppurrz. I'm born & raised San Diegan, too. I've been to the Whaley House a couple times, but never experienced anything paranormal...just the smell of dust. LOL! I never took photos, though.

[@julilla1]

I once visited the Whaley House and had an interesting experience. There's a staircase and they say that above where it is used to be the gallows before the house was built. I had gone up the steps and looked back and there was a boy there, about 9 or so who had stopped right in the middle of the staircase and was clutching his throat. I asked him if he was all right and he shook his head like he was trying to clear his mind and he said "I..I think so..." it was like I had shook him out of a trance. He had seemed like a bored kid on a family trip to an historical house before that, so I thought it rather odd.

[@francesjolly5106]

@@julilla1 what an amazing experience!!!♡

[@vanessaheslop9838]

I think someone knocked her out with a solid punch or two..And placed her there and she died from carbon monoxide poisoning and had no way of moving because well she was passed out. But it depends what reports you believe ya know? Great story, you never disappoint. I love all the work you put into presenting these stories to us! 😁

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊

[@kibbokibbo]

@Ms Bliss I think that was the time it took to drive her home, not spent just sitting in the car, but I could be wrong

[@deloreswilson1798]

Love the way you animate photos.🤔

[@seattlebeard]

Oddie, that rain effect is beautiful. The still at 5:26 with the cars was amazing. Love your work. :o)

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it - Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@mangot589]

I used to work/hang around in Malibu when I was a teenager in the 70’s. I drove by her cafe every day on PCH. I didn’t know the story about it until years later. Thanks, Oddie. I’m always interested in this story.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for sharing!

[@dggydddy59]

I used to live in LA and have driven by Thelma's Cafe building many many times. It's an amazing looking building just across the road from the ocean on Pacific Coast Highway near Malibu. I hope it's still there and that it's being used for something because all the years I lived there it was just this extraordinary but empty building. Another great video, as always Oddie! Cheers!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@erinesque1889]

I’ve been interested in learning about Thelma ever since I saw her in Horsefeathers and Monkey Business.

[@theenchantedgyspy3657]

It’s clear as a bell to me. She came home late which was defiant of her husband, so he punched her in anger and put her unconscious body in the car and started the engine so that her death would look accidental

[@primesspct2]

A big thank you to you Oddy and to your patreon followers who support you financially, for the excellent upload! This is a fascinating case that I had not heard about. To me the broken nose and split lip says it all, foul play would seem the most obvious scenario. Terribly sad for such a bright and promising young woman to die so young. A brilliant presentation as always with your usual accompaniment of wonderful vintage photographs!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@gailmiler2797]

My cat Kenosha also knew something was wrong before I did- I was upstairs and there was a backdraft in the fireplace downstairs, smoke was starting to fill the house and she let me know in no uncertain terms, she died years ago but I still think about her often and miss her.

[@ahnraemenkhera7451]

Loved the animated photoclips! Well done coverage of Old Hollyweird, too, by Oddie! In some photos, Miss Todd appears older than 29, but who knows? Apparently it was downright dangerous for a woman to appear to be going into business for herself in the 30s, especially if she were already known as a “starlet” by the public at large. Jack Dragna, Mickey Cohen, & Ben Siegel were some known West Coast mobsters of that era-or thereabout. Not sure Luciano had any direct California interests before Nevada became a gambling haven. But it really appears a case of either “accidental suicide,” or of suspects a lot closer to home. Ex-husband was in town? Why? He had no acting nor film career prospects, so why was he clinging on? To a woman who was his victim? The mother would’ve been killing the golden goose, so that’s unlikely. And the chauffeur seemed the most forthcoming person as to where he was & when, & had no clear motive because it would’ve only Helped him to be seen driving the Packard of Miss Thelma Todd’s around town, which he’d no longer be doing if she died. What’s at that locale of the Inn today? Nice photos of the hills (& the interior pics) before urban clutter & junkety-junk. Must’ve been truly glamorous back in 1935!!

[@ahnraemenkhera7451]

@@DoloresJNurss Can’t discount this at all! I wondered about all of that cooking for people after hours & such! I mean, she was working just like they were & felt like feeding them?! But I also think “the movies,” the stresses of juggling careers, love triangles, & being stalked would also MAKE anybody drink! Hollywood was/is known to fudge biographical material for its stars-plus her mother appears in that photo to have been getting on a little, too. Hardly up to trying to keep up with the twentysomething crowd, wouldn’t you say? But I do tend to see Theta Barra, Joan Crawford, Mary Gish, & other “starlets” as older just because the fashions then look “old” by comparison, so don’t go by me! Still, it happened in mid-Great Depression. Any “successful” person would’ve had lots of hangers-on, dragging them down, ⚓️ I should imagine… a short life, but apparently happy overall for 1935 (except for that husband episode & then sharing a married man… then dragging it out with a business venture-BUT: they didn’t cut the wife out financially, or did they??). So, I agree!! Thelma Todd’s candle burned at both ends! 🌪🎪🍷🧨 ❤️‍🔥💘

[@ahnraemenkhera7451]

@@DoloresJNurss Was it? Was it an analysis? 😂🤣😂 No analytics intended, I just TRY to be clear in YT & texting.😂😂😂 Sometimes I AM wordy, (esp. if there aren’t 970 Comments already) but I appreciate brevity, very much, too! It’s wittier. 😉

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@AhnRae - So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@d.l.d.l.8140]

I stop the film and read the newspaper articles when they’re legible. Apparently, Roland West was alerted to the fact that Todd was on her way home by a call from the cafe. There’s also fifteen minutes between delivery home and the time the driver left, with no description of the activities in that time frame. Also, the original coroner noted a broken nose and a split lip. Someone killed this woman. I like Roland but question whether or not he had the power to cover it up. Be interesting to know if there was a gambling operation there afterwards. Organized crime taking care of it for Roland, as a “favor“, while also involving him, means he would owe one back. And they always collect. Great stuff, as usual. Sending me to google again. 👍🏼 Thanks Oddie.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your interesting insights and positive feedback. much appreciated 😊

[@nyc783]

@@ObsoleteOddity Don't forget that the coroner can be bought off as well to alter the truth, especially if the mob was involved in Thelma's demise.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@@nyc783 That is indeed quite possible, so is just a banal accident like tripping on the stairs drunk.

[@catspaw2970]

Wonderful, Oddie! I've seen several others attempt to tell this story but this is by far the best. Your research and image presentation are perfection!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your really great feedback, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)

[@pigoff123]

I read so much about her over the years. It is so sad. You really do it justice.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks - much appreciated 😊

[@peachai27]

I think she was murdered. The person had probably waited for the right moment to do it, did what he had done, and composed Thelma's body as if she committed a suicide.. Thank you for another thrilling story..

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I’m glad you enjoyed it, thank you 🙏

[@tamarrajames3590]

Beautifully and sensitively presented as always Oddie dear. The only thing I’m certain of with her death,is that she did not intentionally kill herself. It is also unlikely that she was seriously intoxicated…she was professional and intelligent enough to avoid garnering that kind of negative publicity. I’m sure she let herself get a little happy with her signature drink…a bit of a glow on, but never ugly or sloppy drunk. That would have been bad for her image. As for the rest, she was wealthy, beautiful, a successful business woman and actress (as they were called then. There are almost too many motives in her case, and still the possibility of accident or misadventure. Thank you for doing what you do better than anyone else. Love and light to you and Odette. Richard is home safe again.🖤🇨🇦

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that Tamarra, thank you so much. I think Thelma was a heavy drinker but that she could hold it well - it is possible that she let her hair down that night because she was amongst personal friends and not in the spotlight. Someone also suggested that those steep steps up to the garage in high hills could’ve been quite treacherous - it’s possible that she tripped on the stairs and injured her face. I guess there are so many ifs, we will never really know the truth. Thank you so much for your blessings my friend we return them to you tenfold. I’m so happy to hear that Richard is home safe again, you must be so relieved 🙏🌞

[@tamarrajames3590]

@@ObsoleteOddity Thank you for the kind blessings, it is indeed a relief to have him home safe once more. There are just too many possibilities surrounding the death of Thelma that I doubt we will ever know what really happened that night.🖤🇨🇦

[@francesjolly5106]

Very observant I couldn't agree more!

[@francesjolly5106]

@@ObsoleteOddity I will never understand how Oddie has the time. Am thankful for the time he invests in his fans, sounds silly at this stage in life but we truly Oddies lol. Great observation I must say.

[@lydafrazier7764]

She was a beautiful girl. But I think she was murdered. She had too much to live for. Think her ex did it. Another beautiful telling of the odds. Take care and thank you. Much love 🥰❤️

[@daisybenton7784]

Me to

[@oevilone]

I think he did it too

[@tamarrajames3590]

I think her ex was into the Mob for money, likely he had traded on her having been married to him, and said she would pay his debt. Then I think he went to the party to ask her for money…he approached her at the garage and drew her into being willing to hear him out. He tells his tale of woe and asks her to help him. She refused to cover his debt, he lost his temper and punched her, breaking her nose and knocking her out. He panicked, arranged her in the car and turned it on…he couldn’t take anything from her, as many people had seen them both at the party, and knew her jewelry, and that she had cash.🖤🇨🇦

[@oevilone]

@@tamarrajames3590 he was known to be violent. This scenario makes plausible sense.

[@tamarrajames3590]

@@oevilone Thanks, it is the one that makes most sense to me. It had to have been spontaneous and not planned…and likely because someone wanted to put the touch on her and lost their temper.🖤🇨🇦

[@sca88]

I've read about this and seen a documentary about this and her mother seemed terrified of Lucky and people said they recognized someone who could have been Lucky arguing over her refusal to let her Cafe become a gambling hall. When she said 'over my dead body', Lucky was said to have responded as Thelma walked away, 'That could be arranged.' I think it was Lucky Luciano who had her killed.

[@dennismitchell5414]

This is the best coverage of her story I've ever seen on KZbin ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ as always . Some years back the KZbin vloggers Adam The Woo and Jordan The Lion went to her cafe and gave it a look. On one of them there was a construction crew working on the inside., Hopefully it's going to be restored . Keep up the great work Oddie and stay safe .

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your kind words Dennis, that's so nice of you.

[@One.DeSanctis.]

Interesting as always. The first husband's name is, I believe, pronounced, "pass-squall-lay". As a first generation Italian-American, born of 2 Neapolitan immigrants, my grandfather's name was Pasquale. Sorry, I do not know how to use IPA to communicate the phonics.

[@carloscrecelius9597]

I love the incredible detail in your videos. Some of the highest quality videos on KZbin. Thank you, Oddy.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@renee1961]

Your videos are always amazing!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@joycemiller-bean1814]

Great video! I especially liked how you brought Ms. Todd “ to life” with the blinking eyes and slight movement of the mouth. This is my first time viewing one of your videos and I just subscribed. The way I heard it, Luciano and his mob associates wanted to buy Thelma’s club and keep her involved as a lure for the Hollywood crowd and similar well-fixed patrons so that they could up the amount of gambling in the restaurant/club, hence making it a real money maker, albeit illegally. Thelma turned them down and her murder was the consequence.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much, I’m so glad you enjoy my content and animations!

[@renee1961]

Good morning, Oddie! I've read about Thelma years ago. Thank you for sharing this! 👏👏👏👏👏

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@renee1961]

@@ObsoleteOddity Definitely!!

[@Chrissy259]

Hi Oddie, I just love your amazing vintage pictures, scenes and narration. And YES ! I heard of the Ice cream, lovely Blonde actress Thelma Todd . I think she was murdered to make it look like suicide. And probably placed in the car. She hung around many gangsters and I think her sidewalk cafe was so successful they wanted a piece of it and when she refused her fate was sealed. Some people say it was a contract hit by Mob boss Charles "Lucky" Luciano. Which in my opinion was true. Lucky was ruthless and would order females to be killed too along with his male rivals. Maybe it could of been her lover Roland West ?! The mystery remains. Sad. Thelma seemed like such a nice, pretty lady & actress. As always thanks for the upload. Chrissy 💜💜

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@pauliewogmastercertifiedli535]

Very interesting story. Never knew much about Thelma but her name. Will now be combing for more information. This is what usually happens after watching one of your videos. I have appreciated your stories for years now. Thanks Oddie for sharing your talent with all of us.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your really great feedback - much appreciated :)

[@LadyCoyKoi]

Shout out to your late-cat. We would never have known you and your adventures, and your talent with these videos are saving lives. 🥰💖💖💖🤗🤗🤗 Cases back then were shady and there were known cases of cover ups. Also, forensics science was i its infancy, so she was possibly abused, knocked out, placed into the car and made it to look like a suicide. This was also a time when husbands could abuse their wives and get away with it, so there were probably lots of cases where a womans' death is usually scratched off as suicide when in reality for all we know it was domestic abuse and murder. I'm so glad we live in today's world where you can't just simply touch or abuse people nilly-willy. Thank you for another great video as always.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@bethwaltz2607]

Good work, Oddie! This is one of the best of the many stories told about the Ice Cream Blonde Murder. * I've wondered what Ida Lupino thought happened -- not what she stated for the police report, but her private theory. A birthright star of the Lupino family of performers, she "knew the territory" and undoubtedly noted what was stirring in puddles, ponds and depths.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your interesting insights and positive feedback. much appreciated 😊

[@andreayanochko4758]

I love all of your videos. They relax me and I learn things.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@LianneMurphy]

So interesting thank u oddie you never fail to reel me in to your stories. My thoughts about lucky Luciano being involved in her death is very slim , I mean, he may of wanted to get a cut of the cafes profits but he would of had more chance of benefiting from it if Thelma was still alive and if he was bitter about her refusal he would of more than likely got a match to the cafe and burnt it down rather than harming Thelma and surely he would of sent his heavies round to Roland after her death . But that just my personal opinion on Lucky Luciano's involvement. Great story Oddie

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your interesting insights and positive feedback. much appreciated 😊

[@cherryleegee1182]

Knocked another one out of the ballpark! Always enjoy listening to your videos are so well put together and of course excellently narrated. But I have always believed as far as Thelma in her death I believe it was one or more of the people that was trying to extort money from her they had a hand in her death. Because nobody can explain her broken nose and split lip, I believe that they rushed her up knocked her unconscious and put her in her car turned it on and left her there to die of carbon monoxide poisoning. She obviously was a real tough lady and she wasn’t going to play ball with any bullies so they decided to eliminator. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Thank you for posting the video. This is a very sad story and nobody will ever know the truth. Look forward to the next one. Everyone take care, take it easy and be safe

[@tamarrajames3590]

What if her ex owed money to the Mob, and had assured the debt by trading off her fame and. Wealth. He may have attended the party in order to ask her for money, and when she didn’t give him anything the Mob took it out on her. Another possibility is that her ex, in the same financial troubles approached her at the garage, lost his temper when she said no, punched her unconscious, and to cover up the violence with an “accidental death”. He couldn’t then Rob her to pay his debt. Too many possibilities.🖤🇨🇦

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@cherryleegee1182]

I have heard both of those theories in the past when I’ve come across the story. It’s not impossible things could’ve gone any which way. All I know is she was one tough cookie for standing up to people like that who are just bullies. Thank you for your reply. Take care, take it easy and be safe✌🏽

[@cherryleegee1182]

@@ObsoleteOddity got a show some love for one of the best content creators out here. So thank you for your reply and thank you again for all the great work you do.💖😊

[@tracytempleton8618]

I love your visuals! And your voice is just amazing to listen to! Thank you for this kind of channel, it's a favorite of mine! I can't take my eyes off the screen.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@kashesan]

Thanks Oddie-I had no idea that Thelma Todd died like this. Hey, if you check the newspaper clipping at 19:49 in the story of the murderous Mercy Killer nurse ("a second Jane Toppan") looks worth investigating. The story of Jane Toppan was murderous also.

[@char8059]

I loved this video and a look into the past! As others have said, I also think Thelma may have been beaten and left in the garage. She may have revived and started the car. She was then unable to drive or do much of anything else and succumbed to mounting carbon monoxide levels in the garage. A very sad end to a bright and enterprising young woman, looking to provide for herself in the future after her Hollywood fame was gone. I think people were resentful and envious of Thelma's acting fame and now the success of her restaurant, and wanted to put a damper on it and "teach her a lesson" because she wouldn't allow them to introduce gambling into her restaurant. Perhaps things just went too far and Thelma unexpectedly started the car, thus asphyxiating herself. OR, perhaps it was out and out murder. We'll probably never know. Thanks for a very captivating, fascinating story!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That's very kind of you, thank you for that.

[@RoseannaPonturo]

This was a great video - I can't believe you got the actual photographs that you did..... Made the story much more meaningful. Sometimes being beautiful can actually be a curse.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@DeidreL9]

This is amazing Oddie, Thelma deserved a much better, happier fate. I’ve been offline for quite a while, coming to terms with losing my mother. I’m happy to be back, to see everything I’ve missed. This is such a lovingly crafted video, and I’ve missed your voice. Thank you dear Oddie, see you over at Patreon, bless you.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Welcome back! I'm so sorry to hear that, please accept my sincere condolences. I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@DeidreL9]

@@ObsoleteOddity thank you Oddie dear. It’s been horrible. But I’m getting there. And painting again, which is a great healer. Bless you :)

[@cathyaudette1060]

I think it was Roland West and his wife Jewel that "offed" Thelma. Thelma had become inconvenient - and stood in the way of Roland and Jewel's plan to take over the business and enrich themselves at her expense.

[@JTA1961]

Great observations as usual

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Much appreciated

[@toddrouch7526]

Wow 😲😲😲...... I love your videos, they're always so well produced, the visualizations are stunning and your interpretation is wonderful. Now on Thelma's death, she probably just fell asleep. I myself have fallen asleep a time or six in the car. Lol..... Many years ago.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@cherylfoster1223]

I've heard this before and all the conjectures of who did it. I still can't wrap my head around it. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe, warm and healthy.

[@5809AUJG]

Hollywood, in particular, and Los Angeles, in general, have a long and peculiar history of rather strange and unexplained deaths, our Oddie. I've done some research about this, and LA has a long history of corruption in so many ways...it's a very strange, and in many ways, rather a scary place. And so is Hollywood, with a VERY long history of strange deaths that have never been explained to anyone's satisfaction, practically since its inception. Decades of failed relationships, alcohol and drug dependence, financial ruin, involvement with organized crime, immense power struggles, and much more...all carefully hidden beneath the surface maintained for its "glamorous" face. I may sound like an awful cynic, Oddie Beau. But that town is plain nasty. I've thought over the death of Thelma Todd for several years, and though it may have simply been an accident (the blood found around her nose and mouth is easily explained, not necessarily the result of an assault), we'll never know for certain. All the hype has seen to that. Never look for truth from Los Angeles or Hollywood, our Oddie Beau. It just doesn't live in either place. Excellent video, as always, my dear. Please keep them coming, for this old armchair detective!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your interesting insights and positive feedback. much appreciated 😊

[@mirandabailey4717]

I have always believed that she was murdered. RIP Thelma your still loved after all of the years gone . Beautiful lady Ms.Todd

[@great-grandmakirk8828]

I love the way you tell these old stories, it seems that with the blood found on her face she was probably murdered it’s just my guess. How can they explain the marks on her face. What a lovely young woman. Thank you so much. Thank goodness for your cat.👍🏻👏🏼👵🏻🇺🇸

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That's very kind of you, thank you for that.

[@lauriewarner4848]

I drove by the house she lived in for year. A little bit ago.. ( years) they were renovating it I stoped my car and walked in and looked around. It was pretty cool. The original inside doors will laying on the floor. A few weeks later I researched where the garage and house were that she died, up the hill. Living in the Malibu Hollywood area it is fun to try and find these old story homes and do a drive by. I love your content. Keep up the good work.

[@suenew4285]

Very thought provoking story as always. Definitely gangs during this era. I personally think she met with foull play. She had every reason to live.while other seemed a little to eager to gain from the profits. Also, this is certainly not the first actress/ actor to meet with curious deaths. Thank you for sharing your research and telling the stories.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@barbieblues7639]

Oddie, This is so weird that you just uploaded a video! I just woke up from a bunch of random weird dreams, but the last one was starring you! 😂 it was kind of morbid though because you announced to everyone that you wouldn't be living very long...so odd!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Oh wow!

[@karenmilligan5597]

@@ObsoleteOddity Don't worry Oddie, I think you still have many more years. 😉 Too many people would miss you.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That’s very kind of you, thank you Karen ☺️

[@barbieblues7639]

Oh, I don't think it's prophetic or anything! 😂 Long live Oddie! It was just really weird because I don't often watch these and it was just a really strange coincidence. Maybe it means the opposite like good luck? 😋

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@@barbieblues7639 It's weird because a day after your comment I came down with Covid. I've had a tough few days but am on the mend now.

[@lauraduplooy]

I find the suggested scenario (about being locked out, walking to the garage, using the car to warm herself, and succumbing to the carbon monoxide) very likely. Her broken nose and split lip could easily be explained by their impact with the steering wheel when she lost consciousness. I did see a bit of blood on her cheek. However, I wouldn't expect to see all that much, assuming her heart stopped beating shortly after the injury was sustained. I'm for tragic accident, not murder or suicide. However, I suppose we'll never know.

[@hopeisevilloveisnot]

The blood pooling on her picture is bruising on the cheek.... not the nose. She was punched more than likely. She died from CO2 because she was unconscious so accident with help.

[@lisaamerson1547]

U hu but when the maid showed up the door was open,, who opened it, if it was truly opened the carbon monoxide wouldn’t have been able to build up. So some one opened the door after she was dead

[@Patienthost]

@ 5:17 I love that, raining w/sound. I feel like I'm there, in the photos/stories. This is awesome! 😆

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it, thank you so much!

[@harolynallison6889]

My God i must be slipping i missed this notice, this is a great channel and a real source of pride on the net. Beautiful presentation. Very well researched and presented,

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you kindly!

[@caroleperry4343]

Very interesting video once again! I think she probably fell causing the injuries to her face, turned the car on to keep warm and simply fell asleep. So sad an end to her life. In the photo, I can see a childs face, with a shock of dark hair. It's just above the face of the lady. It's got a strong fringe and is looking up slightly.

[@Jodi_kelly]

Love your telling of these historic cases 🥰truly adore them all Thank you for your amazing videos really appreciate you 🌟 always exciting to see a notification for the new videos Love from Liverpool England ❤️

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much! 😊

[@nerdalous.13]

Been so long since I've watched your stuff missed it!

[@jeffreyhutchins6527]

Oddie do an audio book please. Your prose is simply captivating.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@tystephens5190]

Once again you have told an amazing story with such compassion. I think she died due to an unfortunate accident. But if it was true that she had a broken nose then I believe it was foul play. I hope you are chilling out now!😜

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@joanbrennan2534]

Wonderful presentation. What a beautiful woman! Personally, I think although she may have had legitimate threats, this was an accidental suicide. Returning home intoxicated and not able to make rational decisions, she opted to rest a bit in her car. She likely had not been aware of the grave danger she was putting herself in.

[@laurafalcon8499]

Thelma was known to have done PSA's on carbon monoxide poisoning. She was well aware of the dangers.

[@SpookyDarling]

What’s so impressive is that her restaurant was doing extremely well *during the Great Depression.* Restaurants are extremely difficult to make successful, but this is such a testament to how savvy and resourceful she was. What an icon gone too soon.

[@Frenchblue8]

Yep I'm sure there were some people that had some interest in seeing her gone but I'm with you. I think what you described is exactly what happened, and I've always thought that. First Toddy`~age 29,gorgeous Hollywood blonde~and then just like 18 months later, Jean Harlow, aged only 26, died because her mother refused to have her taken to the hospital.

[@lanacampbell-moore6686]

Fascinating Story & Thanks Oddie!❤

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lanacampbell-moore6686]

@@ObsoleteOddity 😊

[@jackyflowers3493]

She had a broken nose, and split lip. But she could have fallen, or tripped, and fell on her face. Drunk people do that..but that is very suspicious. I think she was murdered. They wanted the bussiness. Pretty lady. Business owners that were women, and were prosperous, were looked down apon. Like she should just cook in the kitchen, but not own, or manage the business. 🤔

[@Bebecat477]

Thank you so much for the upload. Poor beautiful Thelma.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

A very impressive treasure trove of photos. Yet again, fascinating! Well done, and thank you, Oddie! 😊

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Many thanks!

[@moonlightdancer5495]

Theory 1. Thelma was so intoxicated that when she got into her car and started the car so she could get warm, the fumes over came her and her head fell forward striking her face on the steering wheel. Theory 2. Lucky Luciano didn't like being told no, so he got his men to ruff up and made it look like a suicide..not they are true, theses are just my theories

[@Gl6619]

That’s not the way the mob worked….Lucky Luciano was smart…he would have never been involved with a small scale operation (I mean small scale because there wasn’t enough money coming through the gambling operation that the mob would even care about it, maybe small time hoods, but not Cosa Nostra) also, Lucky Luciano would not have personally approached someone like that..he would have had an associate do it. The mob was flourishing in NY at the time so I’m not sure why they would be that concerned with a small time gambling operation at that time.. New York never had a big interest in California, the Chicago mob made more of an impact, trying to extort the Film industry unions.. But that could make a great fiction novel, especially considering one doesn’t have to be accurate historically to write a book, just make sure it’s “based on a true story”

[@jaytrace1006]

Well, if Roland West didn’t kill her, he certainly should not have locked her out of her home. Btw, his wife was lovely…

[@angielewis4158]

Great channel I have recommended it to others - it kept me company whilst I was in hospital- many thanks- great narration and visual

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate your great feedback Angie, thank you so much 😊🙏

[@drumdotpizza]

The 'face' you see in the pic at the end looks like the carpet/flooring through the slats that hold the arm rest. As for the 'hair'... no idea. Great video! I love Thelma Todd (and so many old, classic Hollywood movies and actors). Thanks for making it!!

[@ntvonline9480]

That voice modulation sounded familiar. 😁 I believe the owner of Chez Roland did it in his garage. That scenario has been seen in so many movies and television shows. If she was pushed to the left, that could mean someone was leaning over her side on the right to turn on the ignition. Duh. Nice car! If I were to die in a vehicle, that would be a good choice. Much better than the Ford Escort that almost killed me. Seat belts save lives.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

😉 My first car was a Ford Escort station wagon.

[@ntvonline9480]

@@ObsoleteOddity I thought you had a Valiant first… and a hurst.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@@ntvonline9480 No Ford Escort was my very first car, Valiant second and the hearse was the last car I had before I left Australia.

[@ntvonline9480]

@@ObsoleteOddity thanks for the scorecard! 🤣

[@ObsoleteOddity]

👍😂

[@nerdalous.13]

My cat saved my life he gave his life for mine. I used to leave my window open for my cat Adonis. One day my guides told me to close my window. I went up the rd to return some pens that didn't work. I came back and he was dead under my window. My ex killed him had I left my window open I wouldn't be here

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I’m sorry to hear that, yes cats are very in tune with the spirit world - they know exactly what is going on.

[@nerdalous.13]

Oh yes for sure, I still feel him sometimes. I know he's on the other side watching over me. It gives me some comfort knowing he'll always have a place in my heart ❤ My heartfelt condolences for your fur baby 🕊

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@@nerdalous.13 I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@nerdalous.13]

You're welcome 🎃

[@numberone5602]

I've been a fan since you've started this channel and love the way you tell the various stories. Keep up the good work and keep the mysteries from the past fresh in our minds.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊

[@kevinmichael2593]

Thank tou fot doing this. I'm so surprised more true-crime creators don't talk about this case.

[@MrsKleopatra87]

Your hero-cat!☺️☺️🥰🥳🐱 I'm happy she saved you! Nice video by the way!👍🏼

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊

[@kittymarshmellow9703]

Love your content and glad your kitty was there to rescue you!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate that, thank you very much 🙏

[@bluezinnia847]

Wow! No one tells a "True Story" like Obsolete Oddity! Thank you! I'm left fascinated, as always!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That’s a lovely compliment - thank you 😊

[@spacecowgurl57]

Odd, you know I've been around a bit, and I can't always get to the stories as I used to. I am forever grateful that you posted these in the manner that you have, for it allows me an opportunity I'd be broken-hearted over had I missed or never seen. Blessings to all 💚💛

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊

[@Analiffey1916]

Indeed we do, do silly things whilst drunk, but to the best of my knowledge I’ve never fractured my nose or split my lip! I’d take a guess that poor Thelma was punched knocked out and some nasty bastard started the engine and left her to die! I hope Thelma is at peace 🕊

[@renee1961]

I'd much rather it be accidental, than murder!💔💔🙏🙏💔🙏 I'm really glad you were safe!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@carmencarlton1445]

Thank you for all your work I can’t get enough

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That's very kind of you, thank you for that.

[@jan7240]

I love how you make the old pics come somewhat alive it’s weirdly fascinating, your vids as always are brilliantly put together & I could listen to your voice all day 👍

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for your great feedback and compliment, that’s very kind of you. 👍🙏

[@tiffanys3118]

Hello Obsolete Oddity, firstly I absolutely love your content. Your channel was one of the very first channels I subscribed to a few years back when I first started watching KZbin. I’ve been loyally watching your videos ever since. I very much appreciate the artwork and creativity you put into your videos! Thank goodness for Woolen. RIP little hero. I don’t believe it’s a murder. Not enough motives let alone evidence of murder. It kind of sounds like a freak accident.

[@tamarrajames3590]

Oddie was the first channel I subscribed to…and he was still hiding that mellifluous voice from us…making us READ the stories for ourselves…can you imagine lol. He is still my number one channel.🖤🇨🇦

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your kind words Tiffany and Tamarra, that's so nice of you.

[@DianeC.]

Hi Oddie!!! I really enjoyed this story of Thelma. She was a beautiful lady. I think Roland killed her and placed her in the car. He warned her to be home by 2:00. Great story...

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@tashuntka]

Agreed.....sighhh....

[@pumpkinpatch5]

I’ve been a subscriber to your channel for a loooong time now, but have recently been catching up after taking a break. I have to say that your uploads have just gone from strength to strength! All the animated details, the music you choose etc. it feels so otherworldly, like you’re being transported to another place and time. And as I said before, I love your end commentary ‘in summary.’ It lets us get to know you better. Just wonderful in general! Thank you for continuing to share such great content with us all Oddy! :)

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wonderful feedback! I thank you so much - really appreciate it ☺️

[@kathydavenport4422]

She is beautiful and intelligent made it all the way to the top. Then she falls down sad but lovely. Thank you again for a beautiful story

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@danideesh]

Hi Oddie, how are you? I hope you're doing well. I heard of Thelma Todd when I was a little girl. I only heard of her in passing. I had no idea that Thelma was as successful as she was, until I listened to your video. Thelma at her young age was extremely successful because of her acting ability and her business. My personal opinion is that Thelma was murdered. I believe Lucky Luciano murdered her because she wouldn't allow him to muscle in on her business. I believe Lucky ordered a hitman to attack and kill her and make it look like an accident she caused on herself. The fractured nose and busted lip made it obvious. I'm going to Find A Grave, now to put flowers on her memorial wall. Thanks for the story, Oddie. As always, Bravo! Much love to you.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@julilla1]

This was really great and it's so sad that we'll never know the truth. I hope it was an accident, but I'm afraid I find Roland West suspicious and I think he and her ex husband would be the top candidates if this was investigated today. Terrific job as usual Oddie!

[@tania8897]

Fantastic Oddie! Another masterpiece! I look forward to seeing your videos and appreciate the hard work you put into them

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much Tania, very much appreciated!

[@anamariavolney4368]

This came just when I needed it. It's always a good day for an Obsolete Oddity video!!! Esp on a Friday💃💃💃💃

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate that very much, thank you 😊

[@debbiethompson14]

That was beautiful and respectful.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you 🙏

[@karenmilligan5597]

No one can tell the story as well as Oddie. Thanks for sharing it Oddie.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Much appreciated, thank you kindly!

[@bonitamartin4954]

I love all of your visuals! From animated portraits to period photos, it's superb!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much!

[@Scraggledust]

Always enjoy your content! Love the art and how well it is incorporated in your videos. So refreshing! Keep slaying⚔️

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊