The Mysterious Races of Akavir: Tsaeci, Kamal, Ka Po'Tun & Tang Mo | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #5

[@slurmsmckenzie1390]

"How do you know the Argonians aren't just going to attack you?!" This sentence shows how much Scott loves the dunmer, he's even adopted their xenophobic attitude lol jk jk. Great episode guys!

[@realzachfluke1]

Hahahahaha trueeeeee

[@joexer1]

@Gus Saint Shut up

[@atomosvrial1708]

Dont bother responding their just bots, just report them

[@Morec0]

He's not wrong.

[@animethiccems670]

​@@Morec0the reptile racism will end one day

[@theFORZA66]

Tsaesci could just have multiple forms, we know the khajit have tons of sub species so i dont see why the tsaesci couldnt have more snakelike sub species and also humanoid snakes

[@bronzecobra8556]

Yeah like the Yuan ti

[@jandocarrillo2731]

Chris Ayala like the elder scrolls isn’t nerdy either

[@joshuagraham3196]

Chris Ayala it is fantasy is nerdy

[@joederue9900]

Chris Ayala just as nerdy as d&d, just bc you can treat it like an FPS doesn’t mean that it is and role play plays a huge part in a play through of any elder scrolls game if you’re playing it right... especially bc it is an RPG technically speaking

[@NopeJustPatrick]

@Chris Ayala Yeah, that fantasy role-playing game with rich lore, multiple tolkien-inspired races, and and five main entries isn't nerdy, this fantasy role-playing game with rich lore, Tolkien-inspired races, and five main entries is. Wait.

[@patrickaycock3655]

My question: When will we discuss the Ants from the Stump in Riverwood?

[@realzachfluke1]

I think about those ants every day, and every night. I see those ants in my dreams. They call to me, from their home stump, and ask me for my love. I try to forget about those ants, but resistance is futile. They have power over me, and they won’t let me forget it. They ask me to sacrifice a nest of termites every month, and they require my prayers to sustain their colony. “You’re schizophrenic” they say. “You’re delusional” they tell me. “Ants can’t communicate with you through your dreams” they scoff. “Stop it. Get some help” NBA legend Michael Jordan tells me. To them I say, you just don’t know. You don’t know, about the ants on the stump, in the village of Riverwood. They are real, and they hunger for our attention. If you don’t believe me, just wait. They’ll be coming for you next.

[@MistSquid]

Zachary Fluke Aye Yo Wtf

[@noble6isbetterthanmasterch136]

@@realzachfluke1 Underrated.

[@MoonMoverGaming]

For real, though, it's impressive to have those sorts of small visual details in a big open-world game.

[@mowermen1762]

@@realzachfluke1 based

[@ElectricOstrich]

Elder Scrolls lore is so interesting and you guys talking about it makes it even more fascinating. Much love

[@CURLYJAY69]

Definitely these discussions and breakdowns really make you appreciate the imagination in the lore of TES

[@scottsanders4589]

Everything is more interesting with a British accent. Like somebody is reading you a bedtime story

[@CURLYJAY69]

@@scottsanders4589 they're Australian

[@GrimViridian]

For real, I was ignorant and uninterested in most elder scrolls lore before finding this channel to the point that I considered elder scrolls my least favorite fantasy world, boy was I wrong XD it's so cool and this channel explains it so well

[@lloydturquoise2457]

A wood elf, a nord and an imperial scholars discuss theories of Akavir and the peoples upon it. Unknown date in 4th Era (Colourised)

[@ki11j0y2]

Underated comment

[@p.samedi2473]

Wood elf? There has to be a secret dunmer somewhere in there.

[@MehrdadParthian]

its more like a Dunmer noble, an Orc Scholar, and an Imperial veteran.

[@thrace_bot1012]

Breton*, Nord and Imperial scholar

[@MehrdadParthian]

@@thrace_bot1012 drew likes Orcs. he plays as an orc. so hes definitely Orcimer ! Scott doesn't even need introduction. he worships vivec literally and is a pure blooded dunmer :)))

[@GamingYooler]

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[@autumnalHalcyon]

Funny you should mention "temporary scale growth" as an ability, considering the Dragonknight class is literally described as using an "ancient akaviri" fighting style, and lo and behold, growing scales and in the case of one ultimate, wings as well, are abilities of Dragonknights.

[@schintzel]

Just my 2 cents in the Tsaeci "devouring men" thing. Boethia was said to have "devoured or consumed" trinimac turning the elven god/champion to the daedric prince Malacath. Maybe the Tsaeci devouring men is simply them "assimilating" or corrupting the men to the point that the identity of men are no more?

[@Kainlarsen]

You mean like interbred with them until pure-blood men we no longer around, just various levels of half-breed?

[@Jiub_SN]

This, they're werebeasts, it fits the most. They "ate" them by literally converting them all into snake werebeasts

[@TheLordOfAllDucks]

In Dungeons and Dragons there is a species called the Yuan'ti, who were once men who through worship and strange rituals started turning themselves into snakes, but this transformation happens in stages, and so we have the Pureblood, those who are the least snakelike, and who can pass as humans, the Malisons, those who have truly become part snake, and the Abominations, those who look more like snakes with human features. So maybe the Tsaeci have a similar caste system where some look more or less like snakes than others?

[@artifexdebello2568]

Or the khajit

[@TenositSergeich]

There's more to D&D than Forgotten Realms, and more to it system-wise than 5e. But, in yuan-ti culture, human-like Purebloods are the least caste, half-and-half Halfbloods (which 5e renamed into Malisons for some reason, muddling the connection) are in-between and almost-entirely-snake Abominations are in most cases the greatest caste. It depends on edition whether they actually advance in "ranks", but in most editions and settings they are only born into them and cannot advance. If we were to adapt it to the idea of shapechanger snake vampires Tsaesci are purported to be, it can be that Men of Akavir exist as an underclass, maybe with some Tsaesci blood, and the higher they go they are more Tsaesci and less Men, with their rulers being full-on snake vampires. Both Yuan-ti and Tsaesci wield potent magics (in Yuan-ti case, technically psychic powers), so it could be that Tsaesci transform into human-like form with magic or some innate ability.

[@badluck5647]

The Tsaesci ate all the men. This probably means they conquered and assimilated all the men on the continent. I imagine as the pure Tsaesci blood was deluded most of them lost their ability to transform into snakes.

[@colddaze6680]

​@@TenositSergeich my theory was some where along those lines, but yeah that makes a lot of sense. Especially the way you describe the lesser and higher caste systems and forms of Tseasci as they are along their caste ladder. Its basically canon the more humanoids are the servant and warrior caste. Its also canon that Versidue and Chorak were definitely more like actual serpent folk. Humanoid torso with golden scales. Lower half that slither around and balance on a large snake tail. Who can't wear human armour etc.

[@vinny9500]

Speaking of the Amulet of Kings... If Uriel Septim V went over to Akavir and never came back dead or alive, how is the Amulet of Kings still in Tamriel? Did he just leave behind the thing that is supposed to keep Oblivion sealed from Mundas? Doesn't the Amulet always need to be with the descendant of Alessia to keep the gates of Oblivion closed?

[@TheLoneCourier2077]

I think I read something about his wife being able to wear it

[@shuheihisagi6689]

Maybe his son wore it right before Uriel V left.

[@thanevakarian9762]

Turns out the original was sold on eBay a long time ago

[@Jiub_SN]

Not a descendent of alessia, just a dragon blooded individual, which would include his children which he likely left the amulet with

[@TheOnlinePlaza]

Man I always come back to these at least once a year. Genuinely one of the best, most informative podcasts ever

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

Re: the Ebonheart pact It doesn't bother me that the Argonians would be super soldiers that the Nords and Dunmer accepted help from, if you're crazy strong enough, I can see them just sort going "huh, OK I guess if they're on our side. I'd really rather not fight them for the time being." It doesn't bother me that the Argonians would rather fight back an invasion on foreign soil before they get too far. It doesn't bother me that living gods and terrifying warlords might be struggling with an invasion from another continent when they've honed in fight one another and specialize in countering each other's tactics. It bothers me that we literally never saw the extent of the threat to give the Argonians reason to be gathered. Every other time the Argonians came in and wrecked house, we have been given a scale. We can see why they'd attack for the years of enslavement. We saw the Oblivion gates. The lore behind the reasoning for the Ebonheart pact? It was just "trust us, it was a bad time." OK, and? There have been other bad times the Hist hasn't been bothered to send Argonians in for, what made this bad time special? Did the Hist see the invaders fleeing to Black Marsh if the Nords and Dunmer got their shit together? Did they show any special capacity to survive there and conquer? What was it? What was so special that they LEFT Black Marsh at all? If the level of threat to the Hist and the Argonians was great enough, they would help who ever get rid of it because the Hist doesn't care about bad blood nearly as much as surviving, but without that qualifier of what kind of threat it really would be, it feels off.

[@BaalFridge]

The hist know that ESO is retconning history so they're adapting in consequence Edit: im sarcastic i also think that makes no sense

[@jextra1313]

1:01:20 What if, to sail east, from Yokuda to Tamriel, into the river of time, you have to tack, hence 'move at strange angles'.

[@andrewbrock3675]

I think when the Snake Bois are said to have "eaten" Men and Dragons, I think it mean's a military defeat. People look to much into Snake and Vampire IMO. It's pretty clear they aren't afraid of, and are actually very good at war. The same term is used in the non literal sense today. For example, if you were to build a house in the Jungle and leave it, the jungle would eventually "eat" it. Take over, assimilate, make part of your own. I think the eating they do is Imperial (As in like, the system not the Imperials as in Tamriel). You would say Ysgrimor and the Companions ate the snow elves.

[@gabrielsanchez9799]

I ate my own poop does that mean I took over shit

[@EA_SP0RTCENTER]

I get what youre saying, but ysgramor and friends didnt assimilate or "eat" the snow elves, or utilize them in any fashion. They just killed them. The dwarves ate the snow elves. Erased their cultural identity and used them.

[@andrewbrock3675]

@@EA_SP0RTCENTER Fair, I shoulda been more precise and my Ysgramor analogy wasnt great, lol. But yeah, I would think that they "Ate" the men, as in via conquest, absorbed and interbread into the empire. It's happened eough IRL.Given what we know about dragons, I don't think they were fed on, vampirically or otherwise. And they wouldn't have been ruled over by them even if they lost the ground fight, and they could've, who knows what machines of war and magics they have/had.

[@CryonicArrow]

Shady Caprice Well you are what you eat.

[@badluck5647]

I also assume that people take the description too literal. The Tsaesci could have conquered and assimilated (eat) all other races of men, while their vampire/snake-like descriptions could be a combination of misunderstanding or prejudices of their culture and magical powers.

[@mr_girr3488]

A nice theory about the Tsaeci is that they are eastern vampires, and how Tamrielic Vampires can turn into great Bat-like monsters, the tsaeci could turn into Snake-like monsters? only they have a more fluid state of being?

[@zeektheassassin7867]

I was thinking something similar or even something possibly like lycanthropy

[@mr.flickyda-bean7221]

Fluid?

[@mr_girr3488]

@@mr.flickyda-bean7221 perhaps they, as a whole group of people, have an easier time shifting between the forms of humanoid and monstrous

[@mr.flickyda-bean7221]

@@mr_girr3488 ohhh ok thanks.

[@Jack91790]

Yeah like Asian looking vampires with Samurai like culture.

[@thenightking5161]

After following this channel for almost 3 years this is the first time I m seeing the minds behind it. My sincerest thanks, guys! Thanks for keeping us ES Heads entertained with your awesome content. Love and Support.

[@thomasholmes4669]

Crazy theory about the tsaeci, imagine if they were an intelligent snake race in the previous kalpa, somehow survived the end of the previous kalpa, but some ended up eating some wandering elnofey that could have gone to akavir and assumed their form due to the chaos of the merethic era or whatever era it was, and slowly the whole race became more humanoid, this could explain the conflicting snake and humanoid descriptions. That would be epic.

[@RWNetworkEX]

@Chris Ayala Golly its just a theory. Point your negativity somewhere else

[@thomasholmes4669]

@Dr ROLFCOPTER! a proven theory is a fact, something that isn't proved that could explain something is a theory, and a statement to be tested is a hypothesis.

[@lakynpayne6476]

@Chris Ayala And maybe you could have opened up a little lighter then going like you did. You would not vibe with someone going 'WrOnG, yOuR eViDeNcE iS sHiT, yOu HaVeNt BeEn ThErE' Yes. Thank you Lord Vibe for giving examples, bit get the fuck off of your high horse next time. Because guess what? There's people who are going to know more than you 🤷🏻‍♂️. And some people who may only just be interested or getting into lore. It's our job to HELP them. Not belittle them and discourage. People like you two make this group toxic sometimes and it's actually bullshit.

[@joshuagraham3196]

Chris Ayala massive incel vibes

[@kellyannecoll]

Thomas Holmes I scream laughed at “wRoNg and your theory is shit” 😂 but tbh I like your theory! I feel like there’s definitely more remnants of the previous kalpa floating around than we know about 👀

[@saerbhreathach540]

I've always took "snow demons" to be a reference to the Nords and the "thawing out" was a reference to passages opening up come spring allowing the "snow demons", aka Nords, to push south to plunder and whatnot.

[@ZorroLocoStudios]

Yeah, I think when they "freeze," they just stay in their icy mountains or whatever, probably with full cities. I don't know for sure obviously, but that's my take on them. And when the paths thaw out, they go try to conquer.

[@TheSuperRatt]

Your theory would have merit, IF the Nords alongside the Dunmer, hadn't form an alliance to drive the invading Akaviri snow demons from their shores. It's canon that this is how and why the Ebonheart pact was formed, with the Argonians coming in at the last moment to save the day.

[@artifexdebello2568]

@@TheSuperRatt what does that have to do with them being nords or not

[@gabrielsanchez9799]

Paula Harmon it means they aren’t nords because if they were they would already be in Skyrim not show up in their shores already being nords, so basically they could be from atmora but not ancient nords.

[@sgshaday]

@@gabrielsanchez9799 Hmm. Interesting. Cursed Atmorans could be a nice twist. We don't know much about them - or their power level - but they were threatening enough to pull these three together. My guess is the Hist saw great danger akin to the Oblivion crisis.

[@blksmagma]

If what they said about time being actual places you can go to And Kalpas aren't necessarily sudden destruction but a process And The Yokudan gods taught the people how to move between Kalpas safely And The Nereverine going to Akavir is him going to the future Then Does that mean the reason why the Elves couldn't go back to Aldmeris is because it was part of a previous Kalpa and they don't know how to go back in time?

[@pipgorman-vann7291]

Woah

[@MrDUneven]

So that's why dwemer ended up in the future to the ninth era?

[@blksmagma]

​@@MrDUneven Could be! Their experiment was to activate the Numidium. Kagrenac's tools were probably made from Aetherium using Tonal Manipulation. He didn't get to finish his experiments by the time the Chimer were at his doorstep so he probably just tuned the Numidium and the tools to work for all Dwemer on Mundus, but didn't get to tune its power output. It killed some. It turned others into the skin of the Numidium. And it blasted others around the world so fast that that they traveled through time. Sort of like our world with relativity. A clock that is travelling super fast, is going to have its own time slowed down compared to one that is travelling slowly or none at all. The fast moving clock may have only measured 10 seconds passing, but the grounded clock says that its been an hour. This effect becomes more dramatic the faster the first clock moves. Same thing could have happened to the Dwemer.

[@kbelflower]

It's safe to assume that the Dragonguard either came into contact with the Dragonborn or had knowledge of the Dragonborn at some point in their history, seeing as they came to a different continent with the sole intention of finding and safeguarding one. So, did they know about the Dragonborn Prophecy? Did they somehow learn of this future in which the world was ended in order to begin again, deciding to travel the world in search of the one being capable of saving it?

[@StarlitSeafoam]

I think they definitely knew about the Dragonborn Prophecy. Alduin's Wall, which the Dragonguard made soon after arriving, has the prophecy in picture form on the right side.

[@badluck5647]

There were separate Imperial and Nord Dragonborns. Would it be far fetch to assume the "Dragon Land" had its own Dragonborns throughout it's history?

[@daydude4649]

Just my own thoughts to throw in the ring: i always imagined the Tsaeci enslaving the humans of Akavir, much like the goblins. This would explain them using the Akaviri humans as soldier slaves (and the dragonguard) in their invasions and also assimilating these humans into Tsaeci culture, which is what the Potente did to a degree.

[@hunterwpayne1]

the Maids 2 mod proposes that same sorta idea. obviously that's nowhere close to canon, but it's an idea i like to think has some truth to it

[@Jiub_SN]

@@hunterwpayne1not slaves, those are just untransformed people, either nonwerebeasts or human form

[@Slappy_Box]

I'd love for you guys to do an episode on the Ideal Masters. Who are they? What are they? Where did they come from? What's their agenda? Don't know if there is enough meat on that bone for an entire podcast, but you could also touch on the Soul Cairn's origins and the Ideal Maser's connection to it.

[@achmadtitofauzan3809]

Imagine the plot twist: tsaesci wasn't really a snake people, instead it's a human based on japan's warring states period (samurai, daimyo, etc). They were called snake people because they are scheming and plotting against each other (just like those daimyos did around the era)

[@dasauce9147]

that sounds pretty lit and i guess the whole "they ate all the men" is just a metaphor for them devouring eachother in schemes and conflict

[@achmadtitofauzan3809]

Exactly!

[@Kaemdar]

that's not even a plot twist it's heavily implied

[@theamazingdagger5584]

Part of me wants them to be literally devourers of men, and the other part wants that to be metaphor for conquered so there’s more life in akavir.

[@AG26498]

That would be dissapointment imo. It would be much cooler and alien if they where really these humanoid snakes that literally eats their enemies.

[@fixarfuffen8426]

It would be awesome to one day explore akavir!

[@idipped2521]

It would make an amazing spin-off

[@fixarfuffen8426]

Yes, when they go there they better make it awesome lol

[@hunterwpayne1]

@@idipped2521 yeah i was thinking a sorta Redguard/Battlespire type thing set in Akavir

[@chaoticheart809]

I’d love to see you guys do an episode where we explore and try to break down/explain all the events that occur within the Dragonbreaks throughout the Eras

[@adamlawrence6986]

You guys kick ass. These podcasts are awesome. Always loved the Lore videos (TES) but it's great to hear you guys brainstorming and exploring ideas in real time-less polished. Awesome niche, keep it up, can't wait to hear what you guys have to say about TES VI when we get some more info!

[@ethanrobbins5008]

I love the races of Akavir,I would love to see them all as playable races

[@Strellok100]

When Michael said they're smart these snakes it reminded me of a phrase "bistar/ra ka' zmija" which is like "bright as a snake" when you refer to someone who is quite intelligent.

[@Prof.GoodFeels88]

ES6's main storyline will almost certainly revolve around the second great war and the adamantine tower. The elves will attack into the illiac Bay to destroy the tower as it is the last tower standing that binds the plane of mundus to reality. They believe once all of the towers have been destroyed they will return to the minor gods they once were before the creation of mundus and man.

[@israelwikkerink188]

The Ordained Receptacle sounds like they were looking for the Holy Grail.

[@dksamaritan5200]

To me it sounds like a glorified holy prostitute.

[@hunterwpayne1]

I am 100% subbing to Scott's kalpa theory. It genuinely makes a lot of sense, especially considering dragon breaks would then be more explainable. Plus, it may be a good explanation for the Dwemer's advancements as well, as they could be survivors from previous kalpas who have had possibly millions of years to advance their technology

[@jacoblynam923]

I’ve never seen you guys before. Seeing you guys is almost like meeting you all for the first time. Love you guys!!!

[@kingaragornii9940]

*The tseaci are just human Japanese with scaled samurai armour, and stretched eyes. Plus they are vampires.* They lived side by side with the inhabitants of tamriel without looking out of place, just epic.

[@Lojeb44]

I would really love a video or maybe an entire podcast on the Greg Keyes novels, they're definitely not something the average fan has read but when I did I found so much incredible lore that people would love

[@alecneal8335]

I always thought that they were called snake men because of their dragonscale armor. It's listed as something they teach the imperials how to make

[@vi6618]

I'm surprised they didn't mention the the frost giant in the Dawnguard DLC. I always thought that guy could actually be a poor kamal that got left behind during the 2nd invasion long ago. Maybe I'm wrong on that because I didn't delve too much into it though.

[@defeatstatistics7413]

Karstaag?

[@rauls.g.2518]

@@defeatstatistics7413 no, he's from Dragonborn (and bloodmoon) They are referring to a frost giant found in the forgotten vale i think, which is from the Dawnguard dlc

[@Pandaoniman]

I look at the Akaviri races as being like "alternate universe" forms of the Tamrielic races. Perhaps even they are just Tamrielic races without Elven influence. You have the Tsaeci. They could just be the natural evolution of Argonians without the Hist. Perhaps Argonians and Lamias (Lay-me-uhs) have a relationship of some sort. The Kamal could just be an evolution of the Atmorans. They could literally have been the other group of Atmorans from the Ysgramor-period Civil War. They could have further adapted to the cold and might just say in their own lands whenever winter hits. The Ka Po-Tun might be Khajiit that live under the third moon. Maybe most of them are like the "Mane" or maybe they are of different shapes to their Tamrielic kin, seeing as they would be born under the signs of a different moon (potentially under no moon, when theirs moves to join Masser and Secunda). As for the Tang Mo, who knows. They could be a unique race. Maybe they are like Bretons, but mixed with Sinistral Elves or something. I don't know, I just wanted the Left-Handed Elves to still exist. Those are just my thoughts. Anything could happen. Well, actually, none of them can be Sload because I hate those guys.

[@averyvonfrank3282]

Hey! I was the one who asked about the Ka Po'Tun's relationship to the Khajiit! Thanks for answering my dumb question!

[@vfox1582]

Pfft, ya'll wrong. The Nerevarine went to Akivir with Azura's Blessing to gather her "lost" children, the Ka Po'Tun and re-assert their dominance against the Tsaeci and to prevent a Tsaeci invasion into Tamriel. However, Akivir was split in two by the battle between the Nerevarine and the Ka Po'Tun Tiger-Dragon, from where they conceded a draw and to set their battle aside. The continental split actually removed the Tsaeci and Ka Po'Tun from direct conflict as both were now on two seperate continents. Time has now passed and the Elder Scrolls 6 is two, independent, Akiviri invasions upon Tamriel - from two different directions. One is the Tsaeci assault led by the would-be-and-lost-dragonborn trying to re-assert himself as the Emperor of Tamriel. The other is the assualt from the Ka Po'Tun, led by the Nerevarine riding atop the Tiger-Dragon. The player, as the Champion of Mehrunes Dagon - from the humble origins as a slave prisoner from the first wave of the invasions where both armies of Akivir are fighting, will start a revolution and save Tamriel from the twin-tongued invasion of Akivir and discover the blood of the Serpent-Tiger within him/herself to unlock the powers of the Beasts.

[@AD-xg5zy]

imma save this for future reference

[@COctagons]

I wonder how Dragonborn mythology fits in with the Tsaesci. They say that only Dovahkiin can consume the soul of a dragon, truly killing it in the process, but then they also say that the Tsaesci ate dragons, and drove them to extinction. Could it be that they are somehow magically linked to the Dragonborn, or be Dragonborn themselves? Remember the storm they summoned? That may have been the result of the Cyclone Shout, "Ven Gaar Nos", or something similar. I also wonder if the Tsaesci may have not been lamia or Bosmer-esque form-shifters, but were-beasts. We already have wolves, bears, boars, and sharks, so weresnakes wouldn't be too far of a stretch. Not to mention the fact that they like to hunt and kill, something connected to Hircine, Prince of the Hunt. If they were such a thing, it might to them be part of their culture similar to the Companions, and would explain how they can have human forms.

[@Aronia55]

Dragons in Skyrim were essentially dead until resurrected by Alduin right?

[@hunterwpayne1]

@@Aronia55 yes but if I'm not mistaken, they were killed by ancient dragonborns. could totally be wrong tho

[@vonfaustien3957]

@@hunterwpayne1 no they were killed by thum wielding humans the only dragon born active during the dragon wars was mirrak and he was uninterested in them. If a ancient dragon born had killed them they couldnt be resurrected as the souls gone. Normal humans can kill dragons like the blades, or Cyris did (hoonding demigod status none withstanding) they just dont necessarily stay dead if its not a dragonborn doing the job.

[@OldGodyFrom1988]

When Bethesda release the Elsweyr chapter trailer for ESO, you can see in the video little shots of the walls in the beginning some khajiit or some cat folk with the dragons, that resonate something similar to the relation between the tiger folk and dragons in Akavir. Isn't that similar at all or only coincidence?

[@TerrariaGolem]

Coincidence, I'd explain, but only have a vague understanding bout the dragons imprisoned in Elswyr.

[@badluck5647]

Khajiit's Supreme God is the "Dragon-Cat", which makes me think both cat folks have a shared origin at some point in history.

[@kbelflower]

A Septim, whether it be Uriel or one of his descendants, returning from Akavir would be an interesting plotline, but only under one circumstance: if it was actually a Tsaeci shapeshifted to look like him (or similar to him, in the case of the descendant thing). That would be a wonderful plot point for the Elder Scrolls 6, where someone claiming to be a Septim comes from Akavir and tries to form a new empire starting in Hammerfell or High Rock.

[@AD-xg5zy]

uuu i like the idea, but starting in highrock would be a bit boring imo

[@buzzbigbee]

Tsaeci are vampiric? Think about this: The Vulkahar vampires have a bat-like form as a master vampire. So then, the Tsaeci have a Naga type form? I have so many questions

[@buzzbigbee]

This could be one reason for the multiple descriptions of their different looks & forms.

[@huntercampbell6551]

Thank god these come out when I'm on my morning shift

[@chrisppx]

Can you make a video on the lore of the Imperial Arena? It’s one of my favorite questlines!

[@scarletbard6511]

Here, I'll save them the trouble. Lore: Some big, muscly man decided he wanted everyone to watch him beat up children, so he started the very first Arena. And the rest is history. (:

[@lakynpayne6476]

@@scarletbard6511 don't be dissin Shinji like that-

[@thirty3bub]

I've been playing elder scrolls since I was eight started with morrowind and worked my way up lol, but your vids are very entertaining,and appreciate someone else with a interest for elder scrolls

[@scratchgolf514]

Halfway through the video.. I think that wraps up the tsaeesci. Hahahahaha

[@fishiefish6179]

I was just watching an EpicNate video about the Falmer and noticed that the architecture of the College of Winterhold looks extremely similar to the Falmer architecture in the Forgotten Vale. I don’t know if there is enough to talk about to make this into a full podcast episode, but I’d love to see you guys discuss this topic or even just a video about it if you can!

[@gabrielsanchez9799]

The college was made by the Mage shalidor from magic like he did with the labyrinthian but I would say that the architecture used for the college is different and more generic as a big courtyard with walls

[@fishiefish6179]

Oh really? Well I guess that makes some sense, but then why does it look so similar to snow elf architecture? Plus I haven’t been able to find anything online that says that Shalidor did build the college. What I did find was that he created the city of Winterhold with a single spell, but it nothing about whether that includes the college. It says he founded the college, but doesn’t specify whether he actually built/created the building itself.

[@eru.maewos7673]

I'm the only one that when reads "they ate all the men of akavir" understands that this is just an allegorical way of saying that they conquered and assimilated the men of akavir into their culture?

[@Jiub_SN]

That had never been used in that manner in this context

[@Usagi33353]

I can't wait until we get to see Akavir in ES12 in 2123

[@Jiub_SN]

I have a strange feeling Bethesda may release a spinoff set on akavir alongside tes 6 using the same engine

[@LordAbraxas]

Its incredibly likely that the Kamal were looking for the Eye of Magnus. In ESO we see a similar sphere called the Cat's Eye Prism in Elsweyr, which is described in its codex as a "Container". Which would explain the "Ordained Recepticle" phrase used. (You also have the funky Kinmune stuff going on with the eye as well)

[@chasebennett434]

Starting to become one of my favorite podcasts

[@rachelrothgeb3097]

Watching Drew slowly pun his way through this episode so far has been fantastic.

[@Hurricaneria]

I look at the cat races like this: Khajiit - Felis; cats that purr Ka Po' Tun - Panthera; cats that roar

[@whitestar7641]

I think they are born as serpents but can change at will because we see in Mysterious Akivir that a verdant land of Tesaci is suddenly thrown into disarray and drought. This could suggest advanced magickal powers and there by able to change their forms. It would make the most sense to why Septimia and Ionith suffered.

[@ParkSprout]

That theory at the end was really interesting

[@jamesfrank2108]

When I think of Tsaesci shed their skin I think them doing it the sameway Husk sheds her skin in the X-Men comics. When she sheds her skin she takes on different forms. So I think that the Tsaesci change their form similar to Husk when they shed their skin.

[@zeusdemi6858]

My headcanon is that the Tsaeci are like the Yuan-Ti from D&D, with the species being broken up in a caste system where some members are more snake-like than others

[@diabeetus_9837]

Been waiting for this all weekend; these were a great idea lads 👍

[@ollyohnorealy9419]

I keep putting on these podcasts in backround to sleep through and i allways stay awake till the fu***ing end

[@p.samedi2473]

Thats because drew has not so much talking time.

[@seanstacks3436]

This is definitely my new favorite podcast, thank you guys so much for doing this,I love seeing every new episode

[@Swolling]

Fantastic podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed it guys.

[@bronzecobra8556]

The Kamal might be Yetis or maybe somewhat like Oni.

[@smuggrog9821]

I have always envisioned the Kamal as being a mix of Ogres and Frost Trolls but having a more advanced but still barbaric culture similar to Orcs. Which would give you a very Oni which fits the eastern feel of Akavir, like i could see the race possessing features like fur, tusks, 3 eyes, blue skin, ect.

[@tarnyowl6068]

Sensational designs being their logo just slapped on the front... Love it

[@bacd-nn2lg]

I still wish for Elder Scrolls game set in Akavir.

[@theFORZA66]

@Remember Navarro exactly itd be a semi blank slate but wed wanna wait until bethesda gets fucked and someone else picks up the ip

[@lakynpayne6476]

@@theFORZA66 Or it would be a good slate for a possible spin-off game series

[@idipped2521]

@@lakynpayne6476 exactly. Imagine if they made a spin-off game in Akavir in the first era

[@lakynpayne6476]

@Remember Navarro Also, I dig the NV reference

[@joeybuttler1615]

I am really liking these podcast and the subjects

[@0rangeeige199]

Oh my Jesus, I’m so happy! FudgeMuppet is so close to 1 mil- 😀

[@nocturnal101ravenous6]

They did say, that there is potential for more Daedric Princes, as the ones Tamriel is familiar with are simply the ones who bother to commune with mortals.

[@Cycon91]

We need some Pelinal Whitestrake merch. *Hail to the timetraveler*

[@idipped2521]

A podcast about the Alessian empire and the ayleids would be amazing too

[@adventurebrozz]

I’ve never ever bought a shirt from a KZbinr or content creator of any kind but I love this channel and elder scrolls lore so much I might just have to cop some merch with my next paycheck!!!

[@FudgeMuppet]

Thank you! We really appreciate it 🤙

[@jesterssketchbook]

We deserve a hole video on Rim Men.

[@justinfrazier9555]

I believe the wheel part of the podcast is a reference to the Skyrim mod "The Wheels of Lull" it is a popular mod with a lot of downloads and focuses on some of these topics. I recommend anyone who hasn't tried it to do so. It is free to download on Nexus. Just don't expect an easy task. Most of the bosses have some type of method or puzzle to solve before you can damage them. It can be frustrating to bumble around some of the maze like areas...but the lore and locations are well written.

[@gurkirpalsingh4296]

I like listening to these while doing work.

[@i20coyote85]

Frost giants reminded me of a cross between the frost troll and giants tbh like they have multiple eyes, the fur they look quite a lot alike

[@Infected_Apple]

I'm totally adopting that geographical time concept as my headcanon

[@Infected_Apple]

Really like this format. Conversation format is really fitting with the uncertainty for much of the lore and you end up hearing more unfamiliar investing ideas.

[@wybub]

I'm really fond of the theory that Kamal are related, in some way, to frost giants and trolls. My personal theory is that perhaps the Kamal are from Atmora, a more eastern part of Atmora then the ancestors of the Nord's, and they went to Akavir. Perhaps the reason their called "demons" is due to them having horns like frost giants and some trolls do? That could be why their considered "Demons". If that's the case, I'd imagine they'd have little similarities to modern nord culture, but share a common ancestral homeland through Atmora.

[@jakobfountain5635]

Scotts voice is truly golden

[@chickenmonger123]

Woah. I didn’t think Scott would have parted bangs. Nor such an intense widows peak. He pulls it off decently.

[@geth7112]

The Kamal I always viewed them as kind of like Yeti's and assumed them being frozen during the winter is them hibernating.

[@romerojackson4405]

I love these podcast. I hope we here about the Chimer or Idoril Nevrevar and more details on the Tribunal. Or if Idoril Nerevar was killed by the Tribunal

[@eru.maewos7673]

The most plausible theory about the Tsaesci is that they're like the Mandalorians from Star Wars. Tsaesci was a race with a culture of its own, but eventually they conquered and assimilated - ate all the men - so much people that the race "Tsaesci" became a minority while the culture Tsaesci became hegemonic. "Tsaesci" is not a race, but a culture. You could probably have Snake Tsaesci, Men Tsaesci and even Cat Tsaesci. About the Kamal: They're probably like the mongols of TES. Ruthless conquerors that became "demons" on the tales of their enemies - in this case, EVERYONE - for sacking and destroying entire cities.

[@Donovels]

so Scott is the all knowing, Drew is the cool joker and Michael is goody two shoes. Noice!

[@cartoonhistory353]

?

[@idipped2521]

None of them know all

[@p.samedi2473]

Scott is a secret dunmer, michael brings in those imperial scholar vibes and drew watches from the shadows.

[@idipped2521]

@@p.samedi2473 Scott just loves the dunmer so much

[@WilliamCorax]

Note on the Akaviri kingdoms having names matching their races, the races are all beast folk(Except maybe the Kamal, who I imagine might be either like a Frost Giant, or a daedra of some sort?) and Argonians call their province Argonia. So really the Khajiit and the Sloads are the only known beast races with their own land that doesn't match their name. That I'm aware of.

[@theepokedex8514]

Lilmothiit didn't name their territory after themselves. They did have Lilmoth, but this was just a single settlement.

[@WilliamCorax]

@@theepokedex8514 I forgot they existed

[@ChrisVillagomez]

I wonder if the Tang-Mo are the "New World Monkeys" to the Imga's "Old World Apes and Monkeys", similar scientific families that were separated thousands or even millions of years ago but evolved roughly the same

[@Hamilgame]

I have to say it now hoping one of them makes this point. As far as if they had snake bottom halves or human, their ruins have stairs not ramps.

[@swapper5684]

38:11 "...beating off a combined army of Nords and Dark Elves" Don't threaten me with a good time Scott

[@BryceGirdner]

Y’all are the best man! Driving home from Florida and listening to all the podcasts.

[@Eliminator98PX]

In Eso it is said, that der Helmets (mask of the helmets) resemple Snakes. We all know the resemble Oni, so, maybe the masks are meant to represent their faces? Like the Dwemer do, or the old roman empire did

[@HickoryDickory86]

Hmmm... What if the "Ordained Receptacle" is the Chim-el Adabal, the "Red Diamond" that is the focal piece of the Amulet of Kings? It is an actual soul gem, after all, making it a receptacle. And that it was given to Alessia by either Akatosh or Lorkhan specifically for the lighting of the Dragonfires makes it divinely ordained.

[@andrewwright4126]

What if they are more like were-creatures and that's why they saw a snake body? Human til they transform. Thoughts?

[@Mint-iq1nu]

I know right

[@Kainlarsen]

The snow demons have always seemed like they might be some kind of Yeti-people. The "thawing" might just be them coming out of hibernation to attempt conquest and raiding, like Vikings would.

[@thomasherron915]

We need one covering the dawn era! Pretty please

[@zacharyknopp1571]

It seems every time we see the Tsaeci they are bipedal and look very much like humans. Is it not possible that the Tsaeci simply are a race of humans but due to their culture, fighting style, and features, are simply referred to as snake people? Or perhaps a misinterpretation of historical texts. What do you guys think?

[@dadshirt6681]

The spirit we see in eso pretty much shreds all doubt does it not? Clearly just a basic looking human figure. Obviously the shapeshifting stuff could explain that it was just taking that form idk

[@melledevries4685]

The idea that the Tsaesci assume the forms of races they eat makes so much sense of the sentence that they "ate all the Men of Akavir a long time ago, but still kind of look like them." I always interpreted that as that they look like them _despite_ having eaten them, but I guess instead it means that they look like them despite having eaten them _a long time ago._ In other words, the reason they look like them is because they ate them.

[@squillsideas]

I always headcanoned the Tsaesci as looking like Voldemorts in samurai armor

[@Kucoz]

I want the elder scrolls conspiracy podcast next. Time travel! The secret tower! The Thalmor plot to destroy the universe! Those weird bugs that light torches in dungeons!

[@OneOnOne1162]

7:55 - I always figured that was metaphorical language. Like "they ate the men" essentially as "they replaced them." Like the area/empire where the men lived was destroyed completely by them and they took it over. In a similar vein to the Nords and the Falmer.

[@OneOnOne1162]

As for the physical form, I think it's pretty reasonable to think they don't actually look fully like snakes. All depictions we do have of them in the games show them as having two legs and their armour seems to imply that too. I kind of like the idea of them taking on subtle features for all of the creatures they feed on though. And I always imagined them having scales instead of skin.

[@Scrublord96]

I really like the theory that time is a river it makes the oraborus as symbol of akatosh quight literal for the passage of time as it is eating its self in a sense

[@thebeaver8456]

Random thing just popped in my head when I saw fudgemuppet and that's hot pocket. Don't know why but the name fudgemuppet just made me think of that curtain food.