Security Guard Confesses Decades After Horrible Party Set Up Murder | Janet Chandler Case Analysis

[@bt4582]

It is so horrible that there were so many evil people willing to commit murder in one place, and all because her female roommate was jealous of her. I am so sorry Janet.

[@MontyRoyal963]

wtf is wrong with humans???

[@hangryturtle9006]

Human depravity is real , that’s why it cost Christ his life to pay for us, because we’re ALL way worse than we can see. We’re blind to ourselves

[@bthomson]

Partly alcohol.

[@BeavisBomer-vo9yx]

I’ve met scum like this. Upon seeing her pictures I could immediately tell it was caused by her roommate, Laurie has a look of permanent contempt on her face.

[@anarcho-communist11]

@@hangryturtle9006 Humans are born to be empathetic and kind but bad parents can create monsters - that's what is usually is, not always.

[@mikehoben7341]

It’s actually incredible that so many conspirators managed to stay silent for all those years

[@andreabennington]

Yes! I don't think I have EVER seen, read or heard anything like this before and I watch True Crime on YT, Netflix and other places, read books every day and listen to True Crime podcasts when falling asleep. No one keeps a secret like these people have. They are an exception to the old saying, "Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead."

[@Lily-wk8kv]

@@andreabenningtonhappens all the time you must not listen to as much true crime as you say lmfao

[@TheTERMlNAT0R]

I think the fear of imprisonment is a major motivator

[@cometclear]

This is yet another example I would use to counter the common claim that "Such-and-such conspiracy could not have happened because so many people could never stay silent about it." This also discounts the fact that many people who are told about what someone else did never speak about it themselves. This happened with a relative of one of the perps in this case.

[@sunilmenon6344]

This was truly horrific. I am in a state of shock just from reading the news articles. And rage because Laurie Swank is completely free today. She is not even on parole

[@CashCowz962]

Yes ..she started the whole thing

[@anarcho-communist11]

Yes I don't think murderers or torturers should be allowed back out, mainly for the safety of other people, not necessarily punishment. Why does this happen so often??

[@CashCowz962]

@@anarcho-communist11 civilians aka future victims of crime marching for criminal justice reform😆😆😆

[@mariacirillo3486]

Laurie Skank

[@katarina1852]

Geez, I’m shocked there was so many homicidal security security guards in one area. That’s scary.

[@JBplumbing12]

Even by chance such clusters happen. Shake a jar of M&Ms or Smarties and you will see clusters form of particular colours. This phenomenon happens even more readily with humans where people choose their own company and can also influence each other.

[@GODDESS1966]

@@JBplumbing12 I have a high IQ yet I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around what it is your trying to explain. Please enlighten me.

[@danpro4519]

Well, 1. There was alcohol (and more?) involved and there was *technically* only one killer. So, while many in this group of conspirators were very malicious, it's hard to say how many were actually homicidal. 2. Subcultures form where everyone in the group gets dragged down and responsibility is diffused. Clearly, a very toxic subculture was formed within these security guards where they felt some kind of social immunity with each other. With scum-bag ring leaders (like Carl) running the show, nobody with high moral standards would stick around. 3. This happened during a strike and the guards were only "passing by", which further added to the sense of there being no long term consequences.

[@pamcroft844]

Don't think of modern day security guards here. 80 is an army. They are a goon squad hired by the chemical company to break the strike.

[@Puglover130]

@@GODDESS1966which part? First they remark that in “random” bags of candy you may often see an uneven ratio, like triple the brown m&m than of blue. The second just means it’s like that but even more likely when people associate w others who are like them. So not that out of the realm that out of 85 guards, the 3 who participated were all ok with murder. They were somewhat alike.. birds of a feather flock together.

[@dlc5166]

Sadly, she stepped into a deadly hornet's nest with no street smarts. Prayers for Janet's soul. I've been in a few situations that made me feel wary when traveling and, if there's a parking lot full of work trucks, I keep moving until I find another hotel. What you said is true - when groups all get together it seems like all the regular societal rules change and you could be targeted just for being at the wrong place at the right time.

[@jc9716]

No good to pray for her soul. Once to die, then judgement. She's already in Heaven or Hell. If she was born again, she's in Heaven.

[@melissadavis225]

I have street smarts and have came close to sadistic people was just enough to outsmart these kind of half wits .. poor girl 😢.. I could have a been a victim..but escaped people like this a couple times..

[@dlc5166]

@@melissadavis225 So glad you did - just can't teach street smarts though.

[@dlc5166]

@@jc9716 Thank you - well, it did my heart and soul good to pray for her anyway

[@CashCowz962]

​​@@dlc5166ell that's the thing...parents need to try their best to do so...or allow the kids to pick up these skills. My mom was a strict religious person....and being holier than thou was her obssession...that upbringing has ruined the lives of me and my brother in many ways...so many ways....😢

[@michelleshephard9690]

I quit smoking through feeling shame. I happened to be watching on TV: An obese person. They needed the fire brigade to remove them from their home for hospital treatment. The obese person was distressed and wanted to eat a cream cake before being moved... 'that's ridiculous, how selfish' I thought. At the same time I glanced and observed I had put my antibiotics for a chest infection with my cigarettes for the next day at work. I felt shame at myself being so judgemental. I knew me smoking worried my loved ones I have asthma. I haven't smoked another cigarette since, this was 18 months ago.

[@nataliep501]

Good for you 🎉

[@meanmommy77]

Congrats! I think we've all had a hard lesson or 2 to learn ourselves!

[@brainwithani5693]

Nice story but what does that have to do with this video?

[@stephanieparker1250]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@tkdb317]

​@brainwithani5693 Ummm, "Shame" was literally in the TITLE and the closing theme.

[@rgwernert]

May the ones that didn't get caught suffer eternally.

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

Exactly. I believe karma will be especially creative for the ones that committed this atrocious act.

[@mgaeeeee9150]

​@@Sleepparalysisdemon2"karma"... no such thing. That's why we need vigilantes

[@paulnorris5592]

Hmm vigilantes, yes, definitely the types of people who are ideally placed to consider things in a balanced and appropriate way, definitely not motivated by drives to commit their own acts of violence. So what is the manner in which such people are vetted and deemed fit? Oh, that’s right.

[@rgwernert]

@@mgaeeeee9150 It won't be long till AI is solving crimes, ALL crimes ever committed. Criminals be warned.

[@MartineH1]

I heard an entire video with the details of this crime. I was shocked. This woman was raped for many many hours, she was sodomised and tortured. Many men doing it, many people in that party knowing it, nobody helped, no empathy, no women to say stop, knowing that there was a woman suffering. Feel so pity for her unlucky, having the worse roomate ever and having her sexlife with men that didn't care for life. Even they didn't care for her, some regard for life they could have had. I was feeling bad efter knowing the whole history, for days and days.

[@dr.patrickkingsboroughmart8050]

Thank you for sharing this. Your comment reveals just how absolutely horrific this crime really was.

[@kathykay6602]

no man to say stop.....

[@721rena]

Which video? Link?

[@MartineH1]

@@721rena I don't remember, I follow so many true crime channels. Sorry. But it was in detail and I just got more and more horrified with it, how many were there, men and women, that saw what was done and helped too.

[@RoyalPurpleStar]

Wow, the details are kinda different from what I saw on Investigation ID. If I remember correctly, I thought the episode portrayed her as a virgin, which’s completely opposite of how she was (promiscuous). The episode did show that she was raped by many, many men, but I have no idea how many total. She hung out with the wrong crowd, and it usually never ends well.

[@azulgaia7782]

It’s a shame these rapists don’t get punished enough to relieve their shame.

[@jameshorton3692]

Agreed

[@colettithekid]

Look at how rough every individual looks. Holding a secret like that really ages you.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Thank goodness, there were filmmakers dedicated to giving Janet justice. The poor woman died a horrifying Jess and her perpetrators deserved significant jail time . Great video as usual Dr. G.

[@TronBonneVonne]

What's a horrifying jess?

[@higgaroc]

It’s when a really ill tempered and scary-ugly person named Jess ends your life.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Death. Auto correct

[@anarcho-communist11]

They deserved life long jail time

[@mrhead6856]

I hope my Jess is painless when she happens

[@cptjockitch]

This is probably the foulest case I’ve ever heard of. It shows how gross humans can be. Non of the people involved got anything out of this and still they killed a woman. Shows how little you can give someone and they will kill someone for you. Not one person in that party was a decent person. The odds of that are pretty amazing.

[@dlc5166]

And worst yet, people in the security field, giving people a false sense of security.

[@BohoAstronaut22]

It's terrible but I wouldn't even put it in the top 10 of the worst cases ive ever heard of.

[@patricewashere]

I also wondered if her friend exaggerated the number of men she was dating ? And if not , how horrifying that was for the group of men , including ones she had been intimate with , to gang up and attack her. Her last moments were not met with anyone to protect her.

[@Dr.Pancho.Tortilla]

"The more one comes to know men, the more one comes to admire the dog,"

[@edunlap6594]

​@@patricewashereI think she did to appease to the men. Some women are desperate enough to throw other women to the beasts.

[@AaronVriesman]

Thank you for covering this disturbing crime that happened in my area. I think of her every time I drive by that motel. She and I were both born in Muskegon and raised in deeply religious households from the same Christian tradition. She went to my wife's college and the film WHO KILLED JANET CHANDLER was released while we lived in Holland.

[@saphinam.2866]

Did you enjoy Kikkerland?

[@eden_aumakua]

I find her religion to be irrelevant.

[@juulbrie]

Think not. The restrictions made her vulnerable for the dangers in the real world.

[@lostandfound5145]

@@eden_aumakuait’s not the religion so much as the failure of her parents and other mentors in her life to educate her properly. She was manipulated instead of educated and that can have dire consequences, as we see here.

[@juulbrie]

@@lostandfound5145 religious motivated restrictions can't be untied from religion ;)

[@mothernaturesapothecary]

Disgusting. How can any one of those monsters be released from jail for such a heinous crime… premeditated at that!

[@hangryturtle9006]

Honestly, I really have my doubts about these killers’ story. I’m wondering if Janet never had sex with ANYBODY, but they all WANTED her really bad, and her roommate/boss’s jealousy mixed with depraved men’s desires all came together into a morbid twisted plan so that everybody got what they wanted. And also, how do they claim it wasn’t their goal to kill her from the beginning??? That’s such a lie! Were they going to gang rape and beat her and then let her go so she could have them all arrested and in jail the next day??? I don’t think so

[@NatBKyiv]

Why is it so important for you that she had or had not sex with them? All those men enjoyed casual sex. Was it a big problem that Janet did the same thing? I don’t think so. Victim does not have to be a virgin

[@talkingthetalk3640]

I think you and Janet have the same problem. Extreme conservative upbringing by parents.

[@hangryturtle9006]

@@talkingthetalk3640 nope, I was raised liberal, what Jesus Christ did for me and reading God’s Word changed my life. And I know first hand how much sexually immoral people can’t stand God’s people, especially when we’re remaining sexually pure. The spirit in them HATES the spirit in us.

[@Amanda-kd1zr]

@NatBKiev @talkingthetalk3640 A lot of assumptions and accusations in the replies just for someone questioning whether or not she even had sex with all those guys--fair question, she likely did but also people will make up extreme things to justify their twisted actions. Why does this person asking that question automatically means they were raised on extreme conservative values? You don't know this random commenter, so where does that come from? Also, "why is it so important for you that she didn't have sex?" You act like they went on and on and insisted there was no way she could have. They didn't say that, they just said they wouldn't be surprised if she didn't and these sickos made it up. Nobody said victim=virgin. You're jumping to say "don't victim-blame," basically, when that isn't what they were doing.

[@melfreemans]

​@@NatBKyivI think you missed the point entirely

[@Rasputin443556]

Thank you for covering this case. I'm still more than a little muddled at what Paivo intended to do with Chandler after the gangbang if he did not intend to kill her. If he intended to release her, Paivo must have had incredible confidence in his intimidating powers since Chandler obviously would have known who kidnapped and assaulted her. She would have been an absolute shell of a person afterwards, and the police would have had to have known something awful had happened to her.

[@buttercup3094]

A lot of it has to do with how women and women's sexuality was regarded, and still is to a large extent, in the 70's in conservative communities. Janice Chandler was having casual sex with multiple men, who all lived and worked together, many of whom had wives and girlfriends. She was sexually aggressive (as suggested by the cowboy boots story). This was interpreted as she was sexually fair game, and would enjoy or she deserved to be punished by a 'gang bang' for breaking the sexual rules for women. Choking is also part of some peoples sexual repertoire, especially people who enjoy violent or "rough sex", both as the aggressor and as the recipient. It was not an intentional homicide. It would be a crime that was hard for Chandler to report since the details of her behavior would become public, and this would make her feel more ashamed and she would likely experience further ostracism from her community. It would have been hard to convince a jury, let alone the local police department that she had been an unwilling participant.

[@ArtemisUnderscoreJ]

Cases like this is why I’m pro-capital punishment. I don’t want to live in the same community as people who could allow and encourage such demonic behavior. They ALL need to be under the jail.

[@GnosticAtheist]

Never give the government power to kill citizens, no matter how much those people deserve it. For one, it can be used to remove "problems", but more importantly it the fact that you become serial murderer. 190 people on death row where released due to new findings. How many have been executed that where not guilty? Only 1 is enough to make those that support it a murderer, so that's not odds I can accept. Don't get me wrong, I am not against people getting killed when they have done certain acts, but I will never trust a government to get anything completely right, and on this topic they need to be VERY right.

[@DoubtingThomas333]

If you understand the scientific theory of free will, you will understand why most states in the USA and most places around the world have abolished it (capital punishment).

[@nhmooytis7058]

I don’t want to live on the same planet with them.

[@brother-calm]

you were living in the same community as these guys?

[@dxcSOUL]

What about ppl who were incorrectly incarcerated..... You'd be murdering an innocent.

[@renee1961]

How could a woman be involved in doing that to another woman?? I'll never understand!

[@chaserofthelight1737]

I’ll never understand this woman hate woman myself. We should be lifting each other up, not tearing each other apart.

[@lisamh9037]

Wonder if it was a happy fairytale ending for her jealous trashcan roommate, Lori? Did she get her man? Prob not - cuz she's garbage, and young Janet wasn't the problem.

[@trace9657]

Nor I.

[@dlc5166]

Here's the story I read: Laurie Swank was Janet's boss and Janet is reported to have slept with Laurie's BF, the head security guy, so it was a set up to teach Janet a lesson, basically revenge.

[@skycloud4802]

Women are just as capable of harming other women as any man would. Don't ever allow cognitive biases to distort your thinking.

[@bobslate7231]

You can run from a lot of things but you can't run from a guilty conscience.

[@IMSITTINGONTHETOILET]

SO TRUE. I'VE DONE UNSPEAKABLE EVIL VILE THINGS THAT I CAN'T OUTRUN.

[@moonstruck562]

That's if you have one!

[@cybermandan1960]

You can if you're a true sociopath.

[@bryanshort4422]

Challenge accepted

[@TheCraydee]

@@cybermandan1960psychopath* sociopaths are nurture as opposed to nature (genetics) do they most definitely feel empathy and guilt just like the rest of us

[@bfdidc6604]

The sadism of the crime is not really explored in this video, but it was a harrowing gang-rape/torture/murder, with the perpetrators and onlookers mocking her. Shame and guilt may have played a role in the ringleader's ultimate confessions, but note he still did the "I wasn't trying to kill her" story. He may have done some re-writing of events in his head over the years.

[@goblin-night]

You're right about his lying, but I must object to the part where you implied he believes his own lies due to "rewriting over the years". I consider that "some liars convince themselves their own lies" stuff to be non-falsifiable at best, and pop psychology pap that ignores any reason to find that claim unconvincing at its worst.

[@mjanny6330]

Sounds similar to the killing of that couple in Knoxville.

[@patricewashere]

​@@mjanny6330 Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom? I think I saw something about them recently. It made me physically sick

[@TronBonneVonne]

I'm surprised your comment exists. KZbin must have skipped over it.

[@tessaducek5601]

The details are gruesome for sure. I just can't believe not one person stepped out to call police. And the roommate/friend was a B . I just can't fathom joining in the torture of a animal let alone another human being. She was not an angel but she didn't deserve that horrible attack. I believe she was making up for many experiences she missed out on. Albeit too much too quickly. But i don't blame her it was probably exciting all around.

[@penelopehughes-jones5265]

Thank you, Dr Grande, fascinating analysis of a truly horrific, heartbreaking story. In my humble opinion there is one last sliver of shame, it seems to me that a girl from such a background as Janet would feel devastated at the loss of virginity, after that was lost, wasted on a man who took advantage of her, it’s not so much that she felt free but that she no longer mattered. The men she focused on were just desperate moments of confusion within the anguish of her self deprecation. If she moved on to feeling liberated it was only in moments of intoxication, her last agonising hours were, in her mind, what she deserved. We know differently, I wish she had.

[@roringusanda2837]

🎯👈

[@craigfinnegan8534]

My guess is that Janet's sudden promiscuity was motivated by a heavy dose of rebellious revenge against her parent's oppressiveness.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

@@craigfinnegan8534 Genesis 2:25 says, "Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame." But, once you willingly taste of the forbidden fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you have no one to blame except yourself (Genesis 3). Honoring one's parents is a wise thing to do (Exodus 20). However, authoritarian parents, not authoritative parents, may push their children away, once the child is exposed to adolescent peer pressure and cognitive dissonance. Having sex is a very powerful motivator.

[@janemiettinen5176]

When a group comes together and decides to murder someone for seemingly insignificant reasons, it blows my mind. Like how didnt even one person caught how crazy this is, how extreme measure it was? Is it just young men and machoism, saving face and being as tough as the next guy? Im having so much trouble understanding how things go too far.

[@madalfromuk4729]

Don't forget that there a few women there that were involved some married so don't blame just the men

[@Jaguarkralle1]

​@@madalfromuk4729Which is even more wild to me as a woman. How could they just let this happen?

[@Reclaim-the-Rainbow]

Seriously? Have you heard about the group that tortured and killed a young woman (over absolutely nothing) and made her listen to a song that says, “Hi, I’m Chucky. Wanna play?” on repeat for hours a day?

[@janemiettinen5176]

@@Reclaim-the-Rainbow I have no recollection of that, do you remember where it happened?

[@superflygirl]

You mean Sadism?

[@bthomson]

A dull afternoon with 100 degree heat on the way! The only cool thing is a Dr. Grande video! Thanks Dr. G!

[@renee1961]

My heart is breaking for Janet! So much suffering!

[@ollerpops]

Wth! SO MUCH EVIL in one bunch. Sickening bunch.

[@h.a.d.e.y.a.h]

I watched this story on an episode of Betrayed. This story gives me nightmares till today and I cry every time I think about it.

[@dicedrice7216]

So sad this happened to such a lovely and talented young woman. Often when parents overprotect their children they actually put their children in more danger.

[@MimiRAM0NE]

A lot of terrible things happen to the children of underprotective and average parents too, I hate to say.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

Trees grow stronger with strong roots, good soil, regular watering, fertilization, and flexibility with the occasional gusts of wind. We live in a totally depraved world, which children should be prepared for in having a ongoing prayerful relationship with the all-powerful, all-present, and all-knowing Creator God in His 3-in-1 persons of Father, Son, and Spirit. Even when human beings (e.g., parents, children, and spouses) try to be good and have the best intentions, they will let other people down. Lord help us!

[@anarcho-communist11]

Bad parenting is probably the story behind the rapists here as well. The world will change when society takes child rearing more seriously.

[@moonstruck562]

No one deserves to die this way 😔💔

[@RunningInLondon]

Holy wow! I grew up in Muskegon and stayed until I was 30! Never heard of this. Thank you!!!! Love from Canada!

[@sallykins3800]

Umm . This sounds like someone I know close to me with Aspergers whom grew up isolated, Christian and coddled , conservative, low self esteem, no boyfriend like peers when left home flattered by male attention and used and promiscuous but no idea being used or how to handle emotions or negotiate situations because not socialised like peers normally ending in disastrous relationships . Sad story for Janet

[@mjanny6330]

Shame was the first stitch in the fabric of civilized society to be pulled out.

[@sophiaisabelle027]

We will always support Dr Grande. He's practically the connoisseur of great analysis videos.

[@ScumfuckMcDoucheface]

... is English your second language?

[@MyDyerMaker]

Hard to believe so many people would be that evil.

[@anarcho-communist11]

I must be pretty jaded these days - I'm disgusted but it didn't shock me.

[@nodrvgs]

14:22 very interesting that you raised the underlying issue of shame being the main factor in this case. truly insightful analysis. thanks dr todd

[@marlinfisher2529]

Dear Dr Grande what an amazing analysis. Only you could pull this complex matter apart and put it intellectually put it back together for us. Fantastic and very enjoyed and appreciated.

[@gcham1209]

I was dealing with my medical thing when I initially got this notification. But I kept reminding myself to hop on when I woke up. No better way to wake up than with a vid from Dr Grande "only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this."

[@gotahgemini6415]

Everyone involved should get a piece of their own medicine. Such horrific crimes are not that uncommon in the rest of the world - the perpetrators should be punished harshly and capital punishment should be added. It's sickening. RIP Janet and everyone wronged like you.

[@jenniferashley99]

This is a sick, horrific case. Lamont at Large visited her grave and went in details of what really happened that night. I pray she is at peace.

[@TronBonneVonne]

Are any dead people not at peace?

[@marthacarson7561]

Lamont covers some disturbing cases. Certainly this is one of them.

[@kathykaveh1471]

Dr. Grande, I always listen to your videos at night before sleeping b/c your voice is so soothing (not great bedtime material though for some people!), so I don't get a chance to comment, though I have a few times. But I specifically came here today to say that in general, you are truly brilliant....and witty! Your analyses and the logic you use on all your cases are perfect. You cover every aspect so clearly and with so much detail. And I know you put at least one of these out everyday, so you have very little time to research, but you do a spectacular job. And I can't tell you how many times I've cracked up at some of your puns or witty remarks that come out when least expected! Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all the effort you put into all your videos and the insight with which you cover your topics . I love how you wrapped up this particular case by discussing how shame was a theme all around. A great point that most people wouldn't see. Thank you and keep them coming!

[@zenawarrior7442]

What a terrible & sad case. Great analysis again of ego, sex, narcissism. Excellent thinking points, jokes, detail. Thanks Dr G😊💓💓

[@cleopatra444]

Finally a story even though 20 years later some of these idiots paid for this horrible crime , i hope whoever else was involved gets the karma they deserve 😠 when you said 80 security guards were gonna be staying at the hotel i already knew nothing good was up for this poor woman 😩 r i p Janneth Ch 🌹

[@gregorymoats4007]

I knew Lynch’s son Sean, and used to cross paths with his father in Sawyer, mi when this all went down. Sean ran a business running a back hoe for foundation drains and landscaping. Good guy. Crushed the family when this hideous and horrific secret came out..always figured the old man would die in prison as he was NOT young.

[@neon_cats]

great work, Dr. Grande. thank you for covering this case.

[@CineMiamParis]

Brilliant analysis of the shame theme. Dr. Grande, thank you for an intelligent take on this story. Would love it if you came across other cases that provide similar thematic readings.

[@69adrummer]

I'll bet she was NOT "sleeping around". I'll bet she WAS invited to a party, and when she saw what WAS going on, she wanted to leave and THEN they killed her!! She wanted NO PART in the debauchery

[@arfriedman4577]

We enjoy listening to your soothing voice telling stories and giving insight to the stories. Much success and health to all.

[@Alice-ui9oy]

This one goes pretty deep... Thank you Dr Grande for going there and shining a light in the tunnel for the rest of us. Appreciate that there are no promises made around actually showing what the way out looks like though.

[@jonrenton3655]

I remember this very sad case so well when it was in the news. But I always wanted to know more but was never able to. All the sex, drinking and partying overrode what really happened from the media. Thank you so much for your opinion. It is great to know even so many years now.

[@Azelia834Heather]

Thank you for this interesting, albeit sad video. Such a lot of cruel wicked people all in one hotel.

[@CCM8817]

Just dumped out in the cold like she was nothing , you deserved better baby girl ❤

[@gonefishing167]

I’m sorry but that woman from the motel should have received at least the same time as those guys did! Not a good friend at all! Are we supposed to take anything that woman said about Janet at face value! Or was she demeaning a ‘friend’ to try to appease her own bad conscience! Vile woman 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺

[@sciencenotsrigma]

Why am I not surprised that Lori was the “most effective witness?” The gossip who started the whole plot! I don’t trust her word, either!

[@lollytavares178]

I agree. Where is the evidence that the victim was sleeping around And since when is that reason for a victim ‘s life to be taken?

[@eidetecker]

"This aspect of the human condition," is an excellent phrase for that element. I always call it, "That!" I want no part of That and I avoid attracting it as best I can. It's good to have cumulative language that is precise and to the point without stirring misunderstandings.

[@andreabennington]

I work at a federal building (FEMA) in Texas. The guard companies change every year due to a bidding process (Wackenhut, American Global, etc...) but the guards remain the same (only their uniforms change) To a man, they are all ex-military. I believe it may have something to do with the fact that they obey commands and rarely question them. They have experience with weapons, they are fairly disciplined, and they are physically fit. To be a guard at this facility, you can not have any criminal record above a Class C misdemeanor. I believe ALL armed security guards should have these same qualifications.

[@cjmarz]

Thank you for your consistent posts, Dr. Grande! Your daily uploads are appreciated.

[@penny2093]

This is SO HORRIBLE! What animals!

[@emilycaroline5740]

Thanks for always giving me an informative commute to work Dr. Grande 👍🏼

[@istateyourname4710]

Dr. G, Could you speculate on the case of Willard Miller~who killed his Spanish teacher over a bad grade?

[@roadpizza3470]

Thanks!

[@iyalove9383]

Hi Dr. Grande. Thanks for the consistent content.

[@ZYX84]

Hi Dr.Grand🏁e. There are times that your video show up a bit early although I am tempted, I like to save them for later in the evening. I always appreciate your accurate analysis given with humour & care. Also, your voice makes me very calm ..😘💫

[@vidaliasoleil2714]

The Blue Mill Inn was certainly not at all a disreputable or dangerous place attracting shady clientel in the late 70's early 80's! My parents would stay there when they visited. In fact calling any place in Holland, Michigan disreputable or dangerous at that time is almost laughable, but I am from Detroit.

[@craigfinnegan8534]

So a motel couldn't be shady because your parents stayed there a few times? Why would we believe you when we don't know either you or your parents, but we know there were about a dozen rapists and a few murderers staying there all at the same time? Also, we know that the manager of the motel was a moral bottom feeder. Who are we going to believe - you or the facts?

[@angelicadarlin8150]

​@@craigfinnegan8534people that try to debate posts with anecdotal "evidence" trip me out. "It's not true! Because I know one or 2 people that had a different experience. 🤡" Like, it was literally fu*kfest 1979 there, with a bunch of homicidal security guards and blood thirsty women. smh.

[@vidaliasoleil2714]

@@craigfinnegan8534 The individuals involved in this crime certainly committed horrific acts. But that does not mean the hotel itself was a dangerous or disreputable place, or attracted shady clientele. What is most shocking is that most of the defendants in this case seem to have gone on to live lives within the parameters of civil society. As Dr. Grande suggests, something unique went on within this group to induce such terrible violence. Because my parents stayed there, I spent time there myself, so I have first hand knowledge of what the environment was like as well as having lived in town, where I was aware of the "reputation" of various areas around town. Believe me or not. Calling the hotel disreputable or dangerous is overreaching and perhaps a result of people in Holland trying to distance themselves from the people who committed these crimes and the terrible crime itself, although it did attract some deserved notoriety after the crime along the lines of, "Blue Mill Inn, isn't that the place where the girl that was killed used to work?". What you are saying seems like saying the Ambassador Hotel is a disreputable place because assassinations happen there, or Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas is a dangerous place that attracts shady clientele.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

From 1980-1983, I loved the fields of tulips each spring in Holland, MI. I still do. My husband and I used to take our kids there to have fun on the family rides. Tragedy sometimes strikes where you least expect it.

[@gabschasse600]

Janet's story reminded me of Looking For Mr Goodbar

[@skyedog24]

I knew a girl who right after high school decided she was going to go to Las Vegas she was the younger sister of two her older sister was a cheerleader and a partier. Tammy was not she was almost the opposite of her older sister she was shy and reserved was a bookworm . After graduation 1983 we never saw her ever again.

[@craigfinnegan8534]

I graduated HS in 1983 also, in Upstate NY. The Tammy story reminds me of the song by Guns N Roses - "My Michelle."

[@skyedog24]

@@craigfinnegan8534 a fellow( be free in 83 ) Arguably we have lost a lot in social skills since days before cell phone & internet. Are used as a case study a video or several videos entitled "interview at the mall 1983". Being at the mall in those days was a much different experience than being at the mall today It would appear that people are less socially adapt at conversing with complete strangers than we were in those days there is a marked difference in the attitudes that are on display in these now historical videos of the '80s. In my humble opinion.

[@eyueal24]

Love all your videos Dr. Todd Grande keep it up👍.

[@84mvalles]

Taking care of your daughter with good values should not lead to her being a victim of this much evil smh

[@milliewoo337]

Dr. Grande, if it’s not too hot to touch, curious if you would do a video on Chloe Cole or similar case(s). Would love to hear your speculation on the (de)+transition topic

[@lidbetci]

Thanks for another interesting case, Dr. Grande can you please give us your thoughts on Leslie Van Houten's parole released?

[@renee1961]

Good evening, Dr. Grande! I hope you're doing well! Thank You!

[@LaniLanilei]

He can use a vacation. All he does is work. This can't be good.

[@blkcat93]

Crimes like this are so appalling and horrible they really make me question the death penalty as being justified.

[@SerendipityChild]

When the state has custody of a person, they are that person's guardian. A guardian that would deliberately kill their ward, who is in custody, against the ward's consent .. no. There are very good reasons to not allow the state to murder civilians. Among them: at different times people have been condemned and killed for things that aren't crime now. For example, having politics that are communist. Having sexual orientation that is homosexual. As much as you hate someone for violent murder: don't allow your state to legalise murder. It devalues life. If parents beat their children, you don't expect to get well adjusted children growing up. If a state torture and kills its civilians you don't expect to have a kind and gentle populous.

[@sarahd8093]

I avoid doing horrible things because #1 I don't want to and #2 I know the guilt would eat me alive.

[@jodiearrington]

Another excellent analysis. I just noticed you have some books out on the market! I'm on it! Thank you Dr. Grande.

[@Oudeis000]

13:34 The "power of separation" and distance that you mention as enabling the burial of guilt and concealment of the crime underlies the popular saying "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". I'm glad that in this case, at least some of the perpetrators were punished, but sadly, some perhaps eluded punishment in this life.

[@mamaduck9370]

Interesting analysis, thank you for the video ❤

[@scottrogers2831]

Terrible case. Janet was born in my hometown. Briefly met the perpetrator (Arthur/Carl) too. Drive by the site of the murder from time to time. I never knew this was considered a bad hotel though. Heartbreaking.

[@paladinkraus]

I remember seeing this case on the investigation Discovery channel, can't remember the name of the show but the whole reenactment, in the input from the family's overwhelmed me. That poor girl suffered for no other reason than jealousy

[@SkylerFlores-ww7fn]

Series betrayed season 2

[@rorylee9626]

Watch every single one of your videos by the way. Love so much that you upload every day rly brings some consistency to my life.

[@wendybond2848]

Janet’s parents probably felt shame too, if they were alive when the truth was revealed about her behaviour. They should have felt shame for not adequately preparing their child to live in the real world and make good choices.

[@ds7900]

It took psychological torture and a protracted investigation to give Janet some "justice." Ironically, it turns out time actually solved this case. It took over twenty years for Robert to marinate long enough in his psychologically torturous guilt stew before he finally broke and brought down the whole sh*thouse with him.

[@shidehhafezi6826]

From what I have read, it took Robert more than a year and 10s of interviews, to admit to the crime. People who were interviewing him remained persistent and kept going back to get him to talk.

[@judithhall6683]

Always enjoy your videos, thank you.

[@RL-hl1re]

The horrible high irony of this story is that she had such a belief about fire and brimstone in hell when she first had sex… And then the way that she was murdered and tortured must’ve brought it all back around full circle and she was probably truly felt that she was in hell and being punished for the fact that she ever did there to be free and sexual.

[@grangrampa832]

I enjoy your videos so much I learn so much you have so much knowledge on so many topics and human behavior thank you 😘

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Good evening Dr. Grande, excellent analysis. This case reminds me of Dean Koontz novel. As always I learn something new from your videos. Have a great Wednesday

[@MDWD]

Nice job Dr.Grande. You nailed it. Txs

[@brushemteeth9159]

Reminds me of the movie Wind River.

[@melindadurchholz3738]

Amazing conclusion. Wow.

[@AnnaBelll.e]

Thanks for your analysis, Doc. Always great!

[@jademoon5103]

Laurie was just jealous of Janet and wanted her in harms way

[@zg1284]

Fascinating conclusion.

[@carriefawcett9990]

Hi Dr Grande Could you please cover the case of Rain Thaiday, who killed her 8 children in Cairns, Australia on 19th December 2014.? I'd love to hear your opinion. Thanks for covering Cherish Perriwinkle's case, I was really hoping you would and you certainly didn't disappoint. Thanks! 🌼🍰

[@mgaeeeee9150]

laurie swank says confessing was the "right thing to do" lmao. You confessed because you knew full well the cops were just about ready to arrest you anyway. You should have been tossed away with the others.

[@ghoststarstalk]

'You can run on for a long time; sooner or later, God will cut you down.'

[@anna-rosephipps3132]

I like your analysis, Dr Grande. Linking shame to the various players. My heart goes out to Janet Chandler. I could relate to where she was coming from which meant she threw caution to the wind, her naivety. Just tragic. The jealous woman. Like evil hyenas

[@manewland1]

What's really baffling to me is how this entire group (of security guards and others) were all willing to attack and kill her; Janet's grasp of morality, too, is troubling (makes me think of Plato's 𝘙𝘦𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤, and the ring of Gyges: we should behave morally, regardless of the consequences). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

[@CC-oi9mc]

They all knew each other to be antisocial, had probably a long history of violent and misogynistic banter. Malicious degenerates can identify each other and bond pretty easily.

[@DigitalNeb]

Well, I was NOT expecting that turn of events. It's incredible that so many people would agree to commit murder together. I wonder if had to do with their status as guards? Perhaps that gave them a feeling of being above the law in this specific place and time. What a crazy scenario.

[@gerry2345]

I like this vid. Good insight and great analysis.

[@londonbudgetgardner5205]

Excellent video STUDENT PROJECT

[@jeanholmes7976]

Hello Dr. Grande, what an awful death for Janet. May she rest in peace 😇💕from Jean.

[@barbieblue3336]

I think more schools need to do more documentaries of cold cases

[@ubsy4322]

They didn’t deserve to get out of prison. They walked around free for 20 years

[@TheFoulblood]

Just because you don't burn in hell immediately after sinning doesn't mean there aren't consequences for those sins

[@SerendipityChild]

Are you blaming the victim of the gang rape?

[@TheFoulblood]

@@SerendipityChild no