Trekyards EP182 - Space Dock (Kelvin Timeline/JJverse)

[@jonathanfairchild833]

I always imagined ships bumping into each other inside the prime universe's Earth Spacedock's parking garage. Docking ships on the outside of the structure always seemed more practical to me, which is why I like this.

[@Spacedock]

Did somebody say Spacedock? :P

[@agentm31]

Spacedock Love your channel!

[@justafellowviewerhere.p6026]

XD

[@theoperumal5174]

Lol yes

[@Centurian128]

I could actually see this as the core to the mushroom Space Dock we see later on in the Prime Timeline. Speculating that they built the mushroom cap around it and added in living areas and storage and all sorts of spaces coming down from it.

[@oscarphillips3654]

Same here

[@cpjyb]

Centurian128 to

[@NaenaeGaming]

Would be cool, although size wise it’s physically impossible without removing everything down to the very centre of the central sphere. To be honest this station seems more practical by docking ships around instead of inside

[@glennnobile7772]

I look at it this way the Kelvin Timeline was created when the Borg/Romulin ship from the future appeared and destroyed the Kelvin. Before the Kelvin was destroyed it looked like they got a few shots off that hit the Borg/Romulin ship. Wouldn't there have been debris from where Kelvins weapons hit the Borg/Romulin ship that the Federation or Section 31 salvaged that influenced the Kelvin Timeline's tech. That theory could explain why The Enterprise and Earth Spacedock is bigger and more technologically advanced. Thanks guys your show is Fucking awesome.

[@Janoha17]

There's also any scans taken of the Narada that would have made their way back with the survivors.

[@watchthe1369]

This is one of the few things I like about JJ. You have the central living area with the "Space Jetty" areas where the ships dock with the necessary support infrastructure. Lens flare covers a lot of slipshod work, kind of like popcorn finish on ceilings and walls in house construction to cover up a lack of care about plumb and square.

[@markbernero9302]

Although I am not a fan of the JJverse, I like this spacedock better than the mushroom one!

[@KevinBrzozowski]

Sitting n the garage drinkin beer and have the kids out playing on a cool Minnesota day. Told the boy and the girl " your buddies are on!" And they stopped everything to watch commander. Don't worry captain. Your my favorite.

[@stuartcarr3156]

When you put it into perspective, the surface area is bigger than the prime timeline version, but take each segment away from each other and place them on top of each other, the size wouldn't be that much different

[@Nichodo]

@18:13 The Enterprise J is just so freaking HUGE in this picture.

[@kingdave31]

Have you guys done an episode on Franz Joseph's orbital Starfleet HQ? I'd love to see that.

[@mingerone]

Always appreciate your mountainous mole hills guys! Love your work.Keep up the good fight!

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

New Berlin is on the moon too....

[@ballroomscott]

THERE ARE... FOUR LIGHTS!

[@Centurian128]

THERE ARE... FOUR LIKES!

[@rooqbranwen8305]

At the moment there are four dislikes... well... we tried.

[@galbert117]

THERE ARE...FIVE DISLIKES!

[@jeffreyjacobs3663]

I see three.. there are three dislikes

[@xXKirkSoloXx]

The JJVerse is probably as advanced as the Enterprise-E pre-refit. Adapted Narada technology + primitive reverse engineering (overly large ships because the 23rd century federation was not able to compact it as well as the 24th century etc)

[@martinbaxter6414]

Again, Captain, I'm with you. Should be something visible on the Moon!

[@thribs]

I don't think the J would dock there. That's where the deflector disk is on the ship.

[@philipsnyder1687]

Looking behind Samuel's shoulder there's a side view of the Earth Space Dock. If you look at the center of the Dock, below the "Parking" section, there looks to be a half sphere. You could easily see the JJ Space Dock turned into the Earth Space Dock if you did what Samuel suggested during the briefing.

[@WillPittenger]

For a station where you dock to the outside of the station, it'd make sense if there were more than two small (relative to the ship size) attachment points. Either that, or a very broad attachment. You don't want the ship moving about on those clamps. If you look at real big ships, whether cruise ships, cargo, or military; those are secured along several points along their length.

[@ShadowsHeat]

What about the one in Beyond, that thing was huge and with a really cool design.

[@hansolo4017]

yorktown

[@dragonfly492]

Space Station Yorktown was 26 miles in diameter.

[@Cragified]

A sphere is the most volume to surface area efficient 'container' which is kinda what your priorities would be for a space station, minimal materials for the most amount of internal space. Though an Icosahedron would be most likely built as being built of flat triangles it sacrifices a little volume for easier prefab construction.

[@DrayseSchneider]

Maybe they don't show moon bases on TOS or TNG, despite it being canon, is that they're worried people might think they're watching a rerun of Space: 1999. Just say'n. 😁

[@Dumplin42]

I like the overall design of this station. It's very pleasing (to my eyes) with the round shapes. It feels very much like a truck stop(ish). Restock & Refuel and such. One thing that really doesn't make sense to me is the way the ships dock. Seems like there should be multiple "passenger boarding bridges" to get people and cargo onto the ship more efficiently. In ST: Enterprise, they were able to dock on each side of the ship, so it seems like it would make more sense to dock like a ship in port. Sideways. Just sayin.

[@watchthe1369]

Love the spacedock, hate that it iis in JJ verse. I finally got to see the computer graphics version of tyhe drawings in the techical manual. I can see them growing spacedock done and stem out of this over time. Build a ring around the docking saucers, and build a dome over it for living quarters and docking area. The stem would grow in proportion to support the dome. I am surprised that the fans havent combined a Stanford Torus and Bernal Sphere. Then plugged an O'Niell Cylinder into the bottom. Shapes that would make sence from the years before gravity plating became available, but used differently.

[@watchthe1369]

I like the look of the station and I can extrapolate possible "Expansions" some of which could lead to the current ESD. Put a shell with a diameter defined by connections the docking hubs, and you would have the beginnings of the "Cap" on the current space dock. The bottom cone could be started by a particularly large reactor placed "down" on a bunch of struts.

[@jaysus620]

I really dug the equidistant ... "platform spires" I guess you'd call 'em? ... that extend from the center - reminded me of K-7 when I saw it.

[@Jack_Stafford]

Jaysus I also saw a basic resemblance to the design of K7 which I appreciate. I don't like Yorktown at all it seems completely implausible but this space station seems both functional and futuristic without being too much of either.

[@derekrankin7842]

The ball area could be mostly storage. If it is a resupply base and the number of ships the can dock would require significant loading and unloading areas.

[@alexandersmith3725]

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

[@enterprise-h312]

5:56 Indeed. 8:38 I actually pointed that out on the vague teaser for Discovery. You have the connections, Stuart. Have them fix it. 10:25 Wasn’t the Franz-Josef design intended to be Starfleet Headquarters? 27:40 Or the J can just phase through, I do like the mass-shifting explanation though.

[@wingsabre]

I wonder what would things look like in scale if we downscale the Kelvinverse to fit the size of TOS.

[@WillPittenger]

Does anyone else see spires extending from the bottom of each docking disc? They seem to be most visible on the Star Trek Rivals render.

[@novoeduardoac1248]

QUESTION for Trekyards: where is the "mothballed" fleet located?

[@noneuno53]

what if the jj space dock was build over top of its hall. in to the tng earth space dock hall size. and the arms of the old jj station, is now part of the floor of the tng station. thanks for your time.

[@wocstudios1]

try using reference of modern airports to see the design influence....

[@ericreese7792]

Definitely.

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

Nothing related to the video to talk about, but it looks like Diamond Select will have a TNG phaser out some time maybe in November or December, possibly even January. Should be any time now. Just something else to add to the collection.

[@sevtosaze]

you guys do a utopia planetia? be so cool.

[@TheLoneBoomer]

Why do you need a massive structure for loading and off loading when you have transporters? Orbital repair facilities, yes. A large mooring facility to keep ships from drifting when unmanned, sure. But loading?

[@saijex]

I think know having the docking modules at different levels (3 dimensionally, not on the same plane) would make a lot of sense. Seems like if it were full, and there was an emergency, ships could almost crash into each other.

[@TDBoedy]

I do wish you would take a look at the Dyson Sphere - bring on the host from PBS Space time to nerd out about it if you get the chance/access.

[@thribs]

Didn't even know there was a space dock shown in the JJVerse.

[@todabrilla]

And do you see the similarity to the Starfleet Command insignia from the TOS period in the Prime Universe?

[@typatterson9550]

I think you take the ring with JJs Starbase put it around TOS Earth space stock I think that would be kind of bad ass looking

[@WillPittenger]

Before Foley complains about cities and lakes not being visible on the Moon, he should take into account the scale of those lunar objects.

[@90lancaster]

Some people (those who like to pick fights on the internet) have been known to say that the JJ-Universe isn't an alternative timeline it's a replacement one.

[@SpartacusRyuuou]

those people are wrong and should remove themselves from the gene pool.

[@jediknight73]

keep seeing comments about upscale JJ prise. I read guys that did CGI of shuttle bay screwed up, so they just made enterprise twice the size?

[@OpenMawProductions]

Not quite. They decided to upscale because there was no way for the shuttle bay and engineering as they were intending them to be to fit into the original size of the ship. The bridge dome very clearly reflects a larger ship.

[@donaldhill3823]

I could picture Space Dock 1 (ST3) being build around this Space Dock. What we are seeing here should fit inside the larger base and would make sense as a core which the rest is built around. Not buying into JJ sizing.

[@timf7413]

I actually thought this was one of the nicer nods to classic TOS design in the reboot movies. The central node looks very TOS and the flat docking berths reminded me of the spacedock from TMP.

[@jaywiegs1712]

I'm just curious what is the source of the JJ-Enterprise actually being 725 meters? The 366 meter seems more accurate compared to the other ships in star trek 09, assuming all the other ships are similar sizes to the original star trek movies (unless every ship is super-sized in ST-09). If it is the shuttle bay issue the TOS cony only had a small bay inside the doors. If you put a hanger inside and beyond the doors wouldn't that be about to scale of the 366 m JJ enterprise?

[@smirkingdevil]

They said it was based on a DVD commentary.

[@jaywiegs1712]

so if it is 725 meters a window is 2-3 decks? Ok done trying to figure this out.

[@power543]

The JJPrise is confirmed at 725m...in several books, internally in the CG house and i am getting these numbers directly from Cryptic for Star Trek Online as they got them from CBS AND straight from the designer of the JJprise 1701-A that was done for the new Beyond Movie...725m is canon and as is the Oversized JJverse! :)

[@TheCastellan]

problem is the bridge module would be HUGE....needs to be shrunken to look right.

[@triaxe-mmb]

On a side note, why couldn't something like this as well as Spacedock 1 exist around the earth in the TOS timeline?

[@bsmnt23]

In Trek, where they have the Moon and Mars terraformed, the gravity on those paces is fractional to Earth. Luna is 1/16 of Earth. In Trek, obviously the have artificial gravity that they could use to bring it up to normal for colonists, but they use it on ships, not in a natural gravity well. Would there be some sort of averse reaction to using artificial gravity in a real gravity well?

[@andrewbutler6918]

on the jj space dock you can dock 18 ships to it

[@danielhenzphotography]

looks like ab Airport field with several docks

[@TheValarClan]

I’d be really curious as to your reactions when you consider the habitation area of Babylon five is 5 miles long, the entire station is over 11. I know, not the same show, but would love to hear your opinions

[@Cyberwolfman]

Anyone else get an ad for Hawaii that looked like it was shot with a VHS camera?

[@brentc2411]

looks like it's about the right size to be the ball at the bottom of starbase 01

[@jayaldridge9520]

BRIDGE TO SICKBAY! WE HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY ON THE BRIDGE!

[@jeffreyjacobs3663]

How come all the nacelles n the ships at dock all look non jj-verse as far as the style?

[@originalmin]

Jeff Jacobs they could have been constructed before the reverse engineering of the Borg technology of the Narada.

[@willcaputo1]

Jeez. By the time jj trek gets to the TNG era, the Enterprise will be the size of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer.

[@NaenaeGaming]

The Vengeance is already approaching the size of an ISD

[@saquist]

I can see why you think it's 'reminiscent' of franz joselph but too me it's just a Death Star with rings with snow flake appendages and it doesn't make that much sense. -The Ring seems extremely unnecessary. -My issue in moon shots is that it's always 200x closer than it should be. 238 million miles How Many Ships can the Star Trek III Space Dock Hold? -The outer Wall can accommodate 37 Constitution Refits -The Mid Lane can accommodate 5 Vertical Rings of 24 Constitution Class ships. 121 ships -The inner core can accommodate 5 Vertical Rings of 12 Constitution Class ships **Total ship in Space Dock 218 Constitution Class Ships*** (Proven by 3D)

[@saquist]

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[@jediknight73]

love it.but curious why keep saying JJ verse

[@thribs]

That's it's name. Kelvin Timeline in the in (Prime) universe for it.

[@Trekyardswebseries]

Because that's what it will always be to me. Kelvin timeline makes ZERO sense. If anything it should be the Nero timeline or Narada timeline or something. But it's pretty clear that something happened much early in this reality that messed things up. Not just Nero coming through.

[@thribs]

It's the name for it in Star Trek Online. It's what Daniels refers to the timeline as during that mission.

[@jediknight73]

Well I won't try to argue. Good video

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

Maybe the JJ verse is the result of the temporal cold war from Enterprise and the Narada traveling back through time. That is why in, Into Darkness we see a model of the NX-01, and no where else in the Prime Timeline did we ever see references to the NX-01. Just a thought, about the JJ verse and the inconsistencies with Enterprise with the rest of the Star Trek series.

[@Mat0llig]

I disagree about using metric tonnage instead of dimensions. For all we know, a galaxy class ship weighs only 14 tones: materials in the future may be completely different than what we currently have. They may have everything built predominately out of metallic aerogel and similar materials. Canon would suggest that inertial dampeners, and subspace drivers would make the entire ship weigh only a few hundred pounds to allow acceleration to high percentages of light.

[@theoperumal5174]

16:42 fidget spinner?

[@BobzeMovie]

It really does look like a Dalek ship...

[@gawainethefirst]

I see a a slight similarity to Deep Space Station K-7.

[@RegClintonBrown]

Oh wow JJ-VERSE SPACE DOCK. Watching now...

[@stepstv4466]

and on 20.. do the uss E .D bigger ??? constitution-galaxy

[@louisporcellini3756]

Make a mini episode on the red star ship

[@Tar-Numendil]

My biggest problem with 2009 Star Trek is Enterprise being built on Earth in Iowa.

[@lesmoor001]

york town was way to advance for the time 26 th century

[@paulscott2037]

see, that was an issue I had with it as well, but then I thought that it might not have actually been built afresh by Starfleet, but was an abandoned alien construction that was discovered and the federation retrofitted and colonised it.

[@jeffmachem2702]

Andy Wilderness all good points. I do not consider myself a die-hard fan of trek. I love sci fi of all shapes and sizes though. I feel like a lot of the federation architecture seems beyond ability because they are not human designs? Humans may have helped build it but what if it was a vulcan or some other species that helped design the starbase and the yorktown?

[@forrestpenrod2294]

Keep in mind Beyond is set almost 10 years after Star Trek 09

[@colanitower]

There are four lights on the dark side of the moon ;)

[@stepstv4466]

on the station thats not the armstrong class/type

[@GordonMassie]

I don't mind the scaling with this one, the problem I have is it's too generic sci-fi. Like if you were to take it out and put it in Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica or even Mass Effect it would fit right in, the only series I don't see it fitting in is surprisingly Star Trek. :(

[@debunkosaurus8228]

The problem I have is: what's the point of docking? They have transporters.

[@TheTyrial86]

Debunkosaurus There are things that cannot be transported due to radiation, etc. Most supplies are transported though. Although just docking will probably be faster for resupply.

[@Templeboyviii]

18 ships would fit

[@off_Planet]

I really hate tha fact the lightbulbs in the front of the warp nacelles are somehow supposed to be bussard collectors. I mean thats just retarded, those things are way too small for that. Is there an explanation as to how they still work? Or is this just a case of quantum?

[@klasarneson4081]

Its a Little like Atlantis from sga

[@1MrPooney]

An energy east pipeline add onthe video... I almost closed that shit down asap. other than that great vid!

[@Jack_Stafford]

Alf Claussen they have zero control over what ads appear before the videos. I normally don't get any at all, it's entirely up to your internet provider and KZbin that routes things according to your IP address and other algorithms.

[@Raussl]

he didn't get the "length is everything comment"...omg

[@Jack_Stafford]

Raussl not getting a joke is different from not responding to it. it's all in good fun everybody got everybody's jokes!

[@triaxe-mmb]

I hope the Kelvin timeline does not get the original Spacedock 1. This is a different timeline with a different history - why would it build the same tech and structures moving forward...Kelvin destruction happened, Future Spoke happened, Vulcan is destroyed, etc etc...all these changes should create a different future with it's own unique styles and techs. Unlikely they would follow the same development path going forward for tech or style. Just my opinion.

[@stratagama]

I think I heard a Canadian soorry

[@NIALLCOOMBES]

Stuff

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

God i hate this jj verse. Hello Orville.

[@KnowTrentTimoy]

"I've been told that length (in combination with girth) is everything" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[@wolf99000]

While it's a good stardock I just cannot come to like it as I love the prime version spacedock to much