Longest Irons We've Ever Tested | Callaway Epic Forged E-19 Irons Review

[@ArmyGolfBC]

Clubs look good and perform like they should. Getting riled up about the lofts and lower spin isn't really the point here since the only players getting fit into irons like these are the guys who need more speed and height.

[@clubchampionmedia]

👏 spot on

[@johnnypenso9574]

MUST RAGE ABOUT LOFTS 😠 😠 😠 Sincerely, Golf Purists

[@3rdgroove]

It's also about the shaft length which is about 4-iron-length for this 6-iron. That's where the speed comes from. Good luck hitting target with this kind of "6-iron". People who need speed won't be able to launch 5,4,3,-iron anyway. TXG should test it on one of your "slower" guys. My guess is the cut off line is after the 6i. Plus there might be gaps on the wedge end side of the set...

[@johnnypenso9574]

^^ Got a link to the club specs for the E19? I'm quite skeptical of the 6 iron being the length of a 4 iron or 38.5"

[@3rdgroove]

@@johnnypenso9574 Well, who would've thought, it's on the Cally site... ;-) I have two 4 irons (blade and chunky) both are 38.25". www.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/iron-sets/irons-2019-epic-forged.html#product-specs

[@stevenc9207]

Really appreciate the honest review. Many reviewers simply look at the loft and say they are a gimmick. But they don’t fly like a long iron loft, so it’s confusing for some to understand that it’s not simply a 5 iron loft in a 7 iron. I appreciate the details you went into and your analysis is consistent with another reviewer who took them on course and had no problems stopping the ball on greens. Keep it up!

[@xstevex59]

I'd like to see a video on the 4 iron as a driving iron, comparing it to some driving irons.....Thanks ...... great job as always

[@clysack07]

I just purchased the Epic Forge Star which is very similar to this club. I hit this club in the fitting as well. Basically just trying to determine if the Epic Forge or Epic Forge Star was the better choice. For me, it came down to the Star was a few yards longer for me. To set the stage, I am 56 can carry a 10 Hcp. I have played blades pretty much my entire life. I just like the thin top line. With the Hogan blades, I have been as low as a 3 hcp back in the day. I decided today that I needed to make a change. I just don’t have the swing speed as I did 15 years ago. I still play fine, but I just don’t have the distance. When i went in to the fitting, I had my hogan Ft. Worth Blacks 6 iron. Hitting distance was about 135 to 140 total. Terrible distance. I tried these clubs and instantly the ball was landing 140 and rolling to 150. As I hit these clubs a bit more in the fitting, trading back and forth between other clubs, I would always come back to the Epic clubs. They are being ordered as apparently they are that new. I should have them in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to see what they do on the course.

[@andyholt7038]

Woke up and watched this...thought I was still dreaming...late night/early am vid drop and then an iron I never would have expected going an insane distance. Nope...all real. Kinda surprised we’re getting a v2 on these as I assumed the v1 sales would have been poor due to many factors, with #1 being cost. Thanks guys! Great stuff as usual.

[@mikecook8059]

As an older player, the distance achievable is enticing but the price is definitely a deterrent. Great jobs guys, really appreciate the info and your expert opinions!!

[@jporter504]

TXG is the leader in dispelling common myths surrounding GI and Super GI irons. So often I see comments where the argument is that stronger lofted GI and Super GI irons are nothing more than mis-numbered irons. Thanks for setting the record straight.

[@MM-zb9kc]

I just got the 4I and now use it as my driving iron off the tee or to go at par 5’s in 2. Hit one today 235 carry. Ridiculous distances but not as thick as a U510 or other driving irons but these seem very playable and workable. As Ian said, feels great off the face.

[@brewssssss_]

Have you every thought about doing a camera shot of the club head down by the ball? To show the top line, the amount of offset, all that kind of stuff ? I think it would be a great addition

[@agolferswalk]

They could use a GoPro with a head strap so that you feel like you are holding the club looking down at the ball. Good idea!

[@mangoman2148]

What you guys should do to end the debate around "that's just a 4 iron with a 6 stamped on it" is a head-to-head with a longer, traditional-lofted iron that goes the same distance. Example, if Ian's normal 4 iron flies 215, compare the numbers to this E-19 6 iron. See if there's an advantage in stopping power (perhaps include a scientific look into the relative importance of descent angle vs spin rate). Also assess any advantages in dispersion (which appeared to be excellent with the E-19), and finally more 'subjective' things like feel & workability.

[@painless4785]

I think they;ve done all of that already, but if not, two thumbs up

[@davebassi1061]

Mark Crossfield has done that test on KZbin. Its a 4 iron with a 6 stamped on it.

[@stevenc9207]

They have done that already and shown it’s not just a 4 iron with a 6 stamped on it

[@stevenc9207]

Dave Bassi crossfield has become a cynical reviewer (and in many ways, it’s good). But in this case, He’s NOT able to explain, nor does he try to explain how these irons that are supposedly “6 irons with 8 stamped on them” are able to still spin at 8000 rpms in his own review. A 6 iron doesn’t spin at 8000 rpm and doesn’t peak height at 115 ft. There is something more going on.

[@jonathanmebane3782]

i have the 4 and 5 iron to go with my 6 thru AW apex TCB im carrying the 4iron 255 and the 5 235 perfect for short par 4's and ridiculous long par 3. amazing irons

[@richardskinner5050]

I am tempted by these irons. I currently hit my 8 iron 150 yards. Must be fun hitting 8 into a 170.yard green.

[@zacharymilos392]

The morning videos have returned!!!

[@darensweeting6920]

i know i am late to this, but it would be great to see this in a head to head with the new tour edge E721! thanks keep the great vids coming!

[@agolferswalk]

I am not sure comparing it to a standard 6 iron is right. You need to compared to your club that flies 215 now. This one would be close in spin, definitely coming in at a better angle to stop, so it’s just a better club. The number on the bottom is irrelevant.

[@agolferswalk]

@Chad Rittenberg I think you can adjust down in the wedges and could add another since you wouldn't need a 4 iron. Also, I think these irons are more for someone that has a swing speed around 100 than 115-120. I am curious what Ian thinks about this.

[@marym.992]

As a lady I can use the distance, but not sure if the irons are light enough for us to swing

[@mikecook8059]

I understand these irons are longer than standard. What effect would it have if you had them built to normal lengths? I can use the yards but still need to hit close to the center of the face. Thanks for your input, great video!!!

[@christopherclark5788]

Looks sweet! But out of my price range that's for sure! Plus, like some others are saying, why so much distance? I think the rule of diminishing returns can be seen in this set. I love to hit it long as much as the next guy but couldn't imagine hitting my 7 iron 200+ yards

[@stevenc9207]

The entire loft argument is strange, especially when they just spent an entire video explaining why you shouldn’t care necessarily. Their ping power vs retro spec video tells you the same thing. So all the negative comments likely didn’t watch the video. But put that to the side, it’s not discussed much, but many of the big Japanese marketed forgings have had strong lofts for a long time. I think the fourteen brand already had 40* pitching wedges, so obviously it’s not a new concept, it’s just new to American golfers many of whom apparently don’t like to look at ball performance data, they like on-paper specs only.

[@caseyjones9644]

I love hitting wedges so this set for me makes sense. 5-AW the wedges....

[@VERTICALWisdom]

My thought would be issues with gapping at the bottom of the set - 9i to PW, to GW etc. Beautiful looking club and soft feel is going to be a winners.

[@whiskerrub]

Mr. Fraser, Mere Mortal here reminding you that you that TXG is where we come to bring immortality to our game and Tours at all levels and TXG is doing one hell of job. So what does the number really mean these days on the bottom of club, other then a means of tool identification? 👍

[@austinlauer1910]

Whisker, I've heard of some players completely grinding off numbers and badging and just having a distance stamped on them.

[@agolferswalk]

@@austinlauer1910 Exactly. Clubs are fitted to hit certain distances. What name you give the club is irrelevant.

[@whiskerrub]

Austin Lauer Austin in the house. So my entire set would WB-40, worm burner 40 yards. I suppose maybe the biggest change needs to come to the fitting, let’s hope TXG continues to lead the way.

[@austinlauer1910]

@@whiskerrub 😂😂 I think you should patent the wb40 line

[@whiskerrub]

Austin Lauer I would but what if TXG fits me and I gain distance guess I could patent WB-41 as well. 😂

[@gzman1]

I've been slowly adding the pre-owned ones at 150 ish and now have 6-pw, sooooo soft and ya they go

[@louispounds7486]

And your experience with “stopping power “?

[@gzman1]

@@louispounds7486 fine i hit a lower ball but they stop great

[@louispounds7486]

@@gzman1 thanks!

[@jeremystafford8374]

Look really good, honest review into were this club fits. Thanks for your efforts

[@freddiefrazier5751]

Should I get the AW/GW/SW in the set? I worry the technology in the wedges matching the set vs. other wedges= but the longevity of the grooves worries me. How often would I have to replace a $300 wedge? Thoughts on get the wedges in the set or no?

[@giancarloibanez4674]

At what point does one stop chasing distance?

[@joe_lukes]

Especially when it's not real distance and just vanity distance from having an arguably arbitrary number stamped on the bottom

[@giancarloibanez4674]

Joe Lucarelli Right. I don’t mind the shift towards distance, it makes the game more accessible. But Matt said in his WITB video that he’s playing 5 wedges. At what point should we start calling the PW a 10-iron? Most players use it that way anyways, with full swings. I don’t have his distance, but I’ve definitely toyed with taking out a hybrid to add a 62 to my 44/49/54/58 for shorter courses.

[@MrAhuraMazda]

Did you watch the video?? These arent just renumbered irons. Everything about them is improved: height, moi, forgiveness. They're a game improvement club. What else do you expect technology to do?? These arent just a 4 iron labeled a 6.

[@swisstrader]

Here’s a hint from a 62 year old dude: NEVER!! Why? Cuz as you get older you will lose distance, so the quest for more distance will follow you to your grave💀💀💀

[@imasspeons]

@@swisstrader club up, move up a tee box.

[@swisstrader]

Put this up on another TXG thread, but why is no one reviewing the Epic Star version of this iron? I know its supposedly more fitted to the Japanese marketplace and slower swings, but just for shits and giggles, decided to hit a 7 iron Epic star yesterday with a 50g shaft (yes, 50g’s!!!). I was astounded, gobsmacked, shocked and in awe as to how good they felt and my overall numbers. I know the lofts are a bit jacked, but still a good 10-15 yards longer than anything I’ve ever hit, super soft and almost effortless to hit and deadly accurate.

[@parnopsiripornpak428]

It looks really nice. I'm sure it will be popular here in Thailand for a lot of seniors golfer and they clearly do not mind the price.

[@vincentrancourt9965]

And I'll wait 6 months to buy it second hands 555 hello from Udon thani

[@markthegolfaddict9051]

4 iron is 18 degrees. So it's a 2 iron. The PW is 41 and the gap wedge is 46.

[@3rdgroove]

the lofts on the epic forged star irons are even lower... www.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/iron-sets/irons-2019-epic-forged-star.html#product-specs PW 38°

[@ottawapop]

I can’t wrap my head around those numbers....

[@johnnymac2201]

You need a 2nd gap wedge to fill the gap between the gap wedge and the sand wedge? My head is spinning.

[@KleyDeJong]

Woof. 6* gaps at the bottom.

[@cmoorePB]

I went traditional lofts and my PW is at 49 degrees. God damn, that's not a pitching wedge that's an 8 iron.

[@craigmetcalf4383]

I could use an upgrade from my trusted MP-60's. Thanks for the great content. Keep it up!

[@alldayrays7110]

Good news is, Phil can play into his 60’s with these. 😁

[@brettsteven3244]

Thanks guys a great well balanced review

[@TW-fx2jx]

just play the lofts and don't worry about what number is on the bottom- question is, for the lofts, do they feel/perform/look good to your eye?

[@ThunderMk2]

10k views in 16 hours! Finally use have arrived! I wish use all the success for the future.

[@lanmurgatroyd9503]

Can you do a video of which 6 wedges we're going to need if we buy these? The distance thing is getting daft. Yeah, you can hit a 6 iron 215 but you still need a 100 yard club... Driver, 4 iron, 8 iron, putter and the rest wedges.....*shakes head*....

[@peterd5496]

If you watched the video you wouldn't have made this comment.

[@johnnymac2201]

@@peterd5496 Why not? 6 degs stronger than my 6 iron. It sure as hell better be longer, and my 4 iron flies as high as my 6. More marketing BS from the best. What are they going to have 10 years from now? A 18 deg 6 iron that goes 20 yards longer than this one? It's getting crazy.

[@peterd5496]

@@johnnymac2201 The framing and context of the video is quite specific as a review of the epic irons. They(txg) both refer to the product as a niche portion of the market that will not suit everyone. Guess what, they don't suit you. smh.

[@mangoman2148]

But it's really not as problematic as people make it out to be. Yes, players will have no need for long irons since these 4 irons are basically what 2 irons used to be. Hence the old 2 & 3 irons will be replaced in the bag by more wedges. Players will still have clubs for each yardage range, just with different numbers stamped on them. And theoretically an advantage in dispersion (shorter shaft) or stopping power (higher apex) which is really the crux of the debate. Does a hot, strong-lofted 6 iron offer an advantage over a regular 4 iron that goes the same distance? THAT is what people should be discussing. Everything else seems like pointless noise.

[@peterd5496]

@@petermartinaitis8166 That is demonstrably false, almost all AAA sets are available as full iron sets. Perhaps you should use a different shop? There is no doubt manufacturers are filling all the perceived gaps in the market to cover all bases and extract as much profit as possible but consumers have a personal responsibility not to sell their firstborn for shiney golf clubs, again, smh.

[@benfoust7424]

How do they compare with the Apex CF (stronger loft) and Apex Forged (stronger loft)?

[@caseyjones9644]

What shaft was in this test? It looks like an Aerotech

[@swisstrader]

Casey Jones yes. I’m pretty sure it’s steelfiber from aerotech. Confused me a bit because I thought they stopped making that shaft ??

[@3rdgroove]

Speaking of spin to control the ball. Ball spin is usually measured shortly after impact. But how much does the ball actually spin when it lands? Is the number proportional to start spin? And if not what are the contributing factors? (excluding the human factor) Has anybody measured the landing spin? Do you know anything condrete about it?

[@erikcrossley5048]

I could see carrying 6-PW of my current set, then carry another 6 and 7 iron of these to replace my 4 and 5 iron. Height of a 6 iron, distance of a 4. Would be a pretty funny makeup.

[@lesstotler762]

Seems like could be a replacement for the top end of a bag - pw-6 in a normal set, then 6-7 in these could be the long iron replacements. Then when we look at the shaft lengths, they are all similar :)

[@sammurray4204]

so... i know this is an older video. would you ever consider this as a long iron crossover. ie.. apex 5 to pw and add an EPIC 5 iron as the hybrids place in the bag

[@Tijiel]

Hi Ian and Matt, Love the videos. But I need a video about lowering the ballflight, I balloon every shot way to high and lose alot of distance, espacially on the irons. Drives as well but after switching to Epic Sub Zero the low spin seems to help keep some distance on the very high launch shots. I tried altering the stance and my left wrist more closed but still balloon, or just balloon a major hook if trying to close to much. Any ideas ?

[@austinlauer1910]

What type of irons, ball, are you playing? Also, how does your contact look and feel?

[@Tijiel]

Irons: iblade blue dot / titleist AP2 716 (inch prolonged) 1 degree upright. I am 192 cm. Contact seems good but little thin sometimes on irons. I might feel I lean little backwards maybe on impact so i hit it somewhat thin if I do it to early or comming in with more «loft» than wanted

[@austinlauer1910]

@@Tijiel Equipment standpoint I would say you could have the lofts strengthened and possibly a ball change. On the other side I would say to try and harp on not leaning back and let the speed create the ball flight you want.

[@austinlauer1910]

@P MC That's a good deduction there. I didn't want to speak to it on that level since I'm not an expert but I think you're on point.

[@milesjnixon]

A little late night gem

[@michaelpope1710]

Appreciate the video and great feedback. One question, what are the shafts that come with it and is there a different with the shaft? Thanks again

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

I'd be interested to know how you would gap from the pw down with something so quick, no wedge could really keep up ballspeed/distance wise

[@markthegolfaddict9051]

You would almost need a 45 or 46 degree wedge from another cavity back set like a Srixon z785

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

@@markthegolfaddict9051 Something like that maybe, I assume the bottom end of your bag would be pretty unique lol

[@markthegolfaddict9051]

@@bobbykrechuniak8875 the unique sets are the wave of the future. That being said in think people will also start hoarding clubs that are not going crazy yardages. For example I just snagged an Adam's 9031 23* so when my current (same club) wears out or breaks I can replace it. Some of the clubs stuff is getting out of hand and I fear will leave people not able to find a club in the middle between the game improvement and skilled players clubs.

[@kovenhumes4090]

This my second year in golf. I’m currently hitting tour edge clubs would it make since to upgrade to these now?

[@nahor99]

Could you tell us about the shaft used and also the shaft option?

[@Belmont148]

Great video guys. Surprised you didn't comment to spend the difference in money to get lessons to get your 6i flying from 165-185.

[@kevinvalentino1873]

Do y’all think the 4 iron could be a good option in terms of being a driving iron?

[@MrShawn2288]

kevin valentino yes. I demoed the 4 iron and the numbers on the trackman were similar to my 3 wood. I think I’m going to order this. Gonna be weird carrying two irons that have a “4” on them

[@kesterng9711]

Think it would be interesting for you to compare Epic forged 6 iron with your 5 iron and 4 iron terms of spin , peak height and landing angle, distance etc as essentially if you play the epic forged irons and face a 215 approach to the green, you will be hitting a 6 iron whereas you will be hitting a 5 iron or maybe even a 4 iron with your own set of irons and hence not really comparing apple to apple using epic 6 iron vs your own 6 iron. I tested them recently and I was hitting the epic forged 8 iron a bit longer than my existing 7 iron while the height of the epic forged 8 iron is higher than my 7 iron I.e when faced with 175 yards into the green I would normally use my 7 iron (full swing) whereas when using the epic forged 8 iron, I was swinging it easy and flew it 175-180 yards with a higher peak and more decent angle than my own 7 iron and hence landing and stopping the ball just the same. Interesting if you could do a test similar to that

[@joshclayg]

Nice sounding club.

[@agolferswalk]

Sounds much better than my clanky Ping i500s. So irritated with Ping. P,9,8,7 sound good, but the 6, 5, and 4 clank or ting. They say they don't guarantee sound. They may fly okay, but cringe when I hit them.

[@kevemaher]

My 1980 Hogan Apex II irons are a candidate for old school lofts. The 5 iron loft is 30 degrees, with 3.5 degrees gapping up to 1 iron and down to the equalizer at 50 deg. This would be today's player 6 iron and game improvement 7 iron (or lower). I play Srixon Z765 with custom lofts (not a game improvement iron) . My Srixon 7 iron is lofted at 30 deg, a two club difference from the Apex II. In a head to head test, the Apex IIs play exactly 2 clubs shorter (Apex has a bit higher flight, but the spin is the same). Also, the Apex 5 iron has the same length as the Srixon 7 iron. So the only real difference in these players irons is the number on the bottom of the head.

[@monrivera1083]

Hi, just came across your video. Can any of those be adjusted? Like change their lie angle? Or their specs are fixed out of the box?

[@ScratchArkkitehti]

Where the Super GI irons fail is in the flyer department. 7 irons for me went from 185 to friggin 220. Off the fairway they are always consistent...Take the monitor out to the rough and test it.

[@rogermickcollison4003]

Hey guys, I was wondering how the new epic irons are for working the ball with draws and fades?

[@charlieboylol527]

How do they compare to PXG ,thanks

[@sharkhark]

Yes I know you need a static fitting (I did a basic in sim) and if in past years I used half inch longer irons and these in their version of standard are half inch or even longer so you still go half inch long to fit my past specs or are off the track std length going to give me that extra length without ordering longer?

[@Foregrlz]

Are the thin strikes due to shaft weight or swingweight light?

[@swisstrader]

Wondering how they would compare to my Epon 705’s

[@francisshouse7533]

How about testing the new epic star driver and woods. Lot of us slow swingers would love to know if it’s just marketing hype or really helpful to use lighter clubs

[@banditbaker1675]

Morning Guys, that was a pleasant surprise, waking up to a TXG vid (it went very well with my Greek yoghurt & prunes & a wee dram, sorry Coffee!). We defo need Rocket Ronnie to be testing these out to see how they perform for us Baby Boomers!?

[@whiskerrub]

Bandit Baker Just to clarify Bandit when you say Baby Boomers you mean we hit six iron 140 yards or did you mean that as the Generation term? I currently like to think of us as the TXG generation, oh and remember to take your teeth out of your coffee cup before you put it in the dishwasher today. 😉

[@banditbaker1675]

@@whiskerrub Purely a generational "Germ of endearment" my fine Whisker, I'm not sure that I have boomed anything on the Golf Course for 10 years or so, (apart from flatulence of course)! The TXG generation, .....yes I like the sound of that, sounds classy! Just like me and you. PS I will have you know that I only clean my dentures in the Dishwasher at Christmas....the rest of the time I clean them in the Bath....along with unmentionables and Golf Balls! 🤦‍♂️👵🤣🤣

[@austinlauer1910]

The dynamic duo 😂😂

[@banditbaker1675]

and with your addition Austin we become the Three Musketeers LOL

[@austinlauer1910]

@@banditbaker1675 🤣🤣🤣 or the three stooges 😅😅

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

Was this supposed to be scheduled for tomorrow morning or are we just getting a surprise late night upload?

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

I just saw that articles started coming out around the same time so I'm guessing this was an embargo thing

[@clubchampionmedia]

Yup, we were allowed to release it just after midnight

[@scottgibbs7235]

I’d be curious to see if you bent it to your current iron lofts. What is the shaft length compared to stock?

[@johnnypenso9574]

The club is designed to fly high with included lofts. Ian had the 6 iron at 110-115 feet high. If you weaken the lofts you'll have the 6 iron landing shorter and flying at 120-130 feet. If you want to fly it higher, shorter and land it softer it's easy - use the 7 iron.

[@brianshepherd7654]

Rouge X irons were similar with their strong lofts. Almost a club in a half longer for me but not ideal when as you start getting closer to the green.

[@jlunde35]

Great information guys. Maybe you could do a longest 6 or 4 iron challenge. Thank you.

[@mal.golf8856]

Would like to see the new big Bertha irons vs these so see performance difference

[@VERTICALWisdom]

How will you gap from lob, sand, gap ---- then the 9i goes a bunch?

[@mikecook8059]

What if you're a low ball hitter to begin with? If you need more spin, these wouldn't be a good choice? Thanks!!

[@swisstrader]

Anyone know what shafts these come standard with?

[@mattparsons946]

Very excited to see this! Kind of off topic, but are you guys getting your hands on the Titleist 1 iron? Wish it came in the T500 series, but either way, lots of interesting stuff coming out this year.

[@jballoregon]

Will these blend with any of the current Callaway sets? From a looks, finish, off set, bounce stand point?

[@jamesryan3410]

Just bought a set....got them with the Catalyst 60 graphite shafts 1 inch longer.....I was crushing them....getting about 4 to 5 more mph ball speed than my Rogue X irons. very soft feel....very small head like a set of players irons....was hitting my 6 iron over 170 off the tee....the rogue x iron would be about 160.....need to gap up...tried a 4 and 3 hybrid....could not hit them longer than the 6 iron....had to go to 7 wood as next club up....forget about the spin....you'd have to hit a one or two more club to get the same distance.....so the spin rates would be the same for the same distance.....

[@simonsouthby-ryland7431]

Wow, these clubs are beasts! I thought my new Apex CF19's were strong, this is next level😜 There are obviously restrictions on drivers on how fast they can be, is the similar restrictions on irons?

[@3rdgroove]

club shaft length+low lofts = "technology"

[@stefanrhonnstad4014]

Any difference in shaft length?

[@goodlife1581]

Those are stunning

[@kyleheffner2285]

How would these compare to the P790 and i500? Thanks fellas. Great video 🤟🏼

[@ScottDreyfus]

You should compare these to the Callaway x forged ut for ball speed purposes.

[@MrAhuraMazda]

Everyone in the comments crying about these are a bunch of dorks. First off, theyre not just "renumbered" irons; everything about these is better: forgiveness, accuracy, height. Second, where exactly do you expect technology to go??? You cry about this but what about 460cc drivers that give all of you an unearned extra 50 yards per drive?? It's your fault is you're a handicap golfer using pro blades with the same tech from 1991. How about use the 250cc Big Bertha of 1991 as well?? Stop crying. No one's making you play 1990 player blades like you're Tiger Woods. If these are too tech heavy for you, get rid of your hybrid and 460 driver too. Your whole bag is tech. You got laser range finders, perfectly engineered hybrids, an extra 50 yards on driver and putters that hit the mark regardless what part you strike. But these are beyond the pale?? Go cry into a pillow.

[@pavelarustamov398]

Numbers are impressive, but would have been interesting to see you hit your 5iron as well. 4 degrees is a big difference

[@jonwheeler9364]

Would love to see Ron hit these.

[@michaelweaver5708]

I could see myself buying the 4i or 5i to replace my hybrid easily. I was really shocked to see the consistent distances after watching the Apex Pro video last fall. The price though......SMH enough is enough.....

[@joelane2845]

PXG 0211 review coming soon? Thanks!!

[@nolanring2067]

what about D plane and what exactly is it?

[@juantrujillo4200]

Would love to see this against P790 UDI

[@juantrujillo4200]

Must try for sure. I love mine.

[@TimTheMusicMan]

The feel and sound at impact is like no other iron in golf...

[@TW-fx2jx]

noticed the first epic's are going for cheap on ebay... think they are cool myself

[@SuperYoda7]

How do you fill the gap if you hit your pw 165 and your 52 only 125 ?

[@user-fn3zh8nw4f]

Rayquaza you leave your former pw in the bag

[@txacacia1287]

Nice 5-iron. That "6-iron" is 0.75 inches longer that Ian's if he plays standard length. Epic Forged 6-iron specs - 24* Loft and Length of 38.25" Callaway Rogue 5-iron specs - 23* Loft and a length of 38.25" What was the difference in club head speeds? How do we know that all the ball speed was not coming from the extra length? Aren't longer clubs harder for most golfers to use?

[@caseyjones9644]

I can see using a 6-PW an 4-5 wedges...It makes sense

[@stevenmott6668]

@Ian or Matt...there’s always the worry that a “forged” iron is always for the low handicap player...though in your prior videos you’ve kind of debunked that with modern irons. What are your thoughts on these irons in the hands of a mid/high handicap? Like in the +18-22 range? Thanks

[@austinlauer1910]

I don't think they get so wrapped up in classifying irons by handicap as much but more towards a player's tendencies. Remember some of their higher handicap fits they fit them into what most would say are for lower handicaps.

[@stevenmott6668]

Austin Lauer thanks for the reply. I’m not sure you understood my question though. Your response though exactly shows why it was asked...does the word “forged” today mean what it meant 30 years ago. Normally a forged iron was for “great players” only...a players iron and was considered too hard to hit consistently for hacks.

[@austinlauer1910]

@@stevenmott6668 Well it could also mean that back then those less fortunate ie not rich could not afford "forged" clubs as they were too expensive. I do understand your question though but understanding players and different tendencies has come a long way since.

[@stevenmott6668]

Austin Lauer totally agree. The technology avail today is amazing at diagnosing issues and helping to remedy them. I wish these guys were closer than Canada. I’m sure someone in SoCal is just as good, but if I ever found a suitcase of cash, I’d book a flight to Canada. Can I ask what your opinion is on modern forged irons? Are they for everyone as long as you have a modern fitting?

[@austinlauer1910]

@@stevenmott6668 I think it's an advantage for sure. It's easier to adjust them, softer feel, but may cost a bit more than cast.

[@richardsdiaz1]

These clubs sound perfect for the golfer who generates plenty of spin already and doesn't quite hit his irons, like an AP2, as far as he thinks he should based on how far he hits driver through, let's say, possibly hybrid? I could see such a player picking up 10+ yds with potently optimized spin and height, assuming they got fit for the right shaft. AT THOSE PRICES YOU BETTER BE GETTING FIT ! ! If you have spin to give, these clubs could be a game changer! There are other clubs out there that offer similar, if not quite the same performance though, that cost less... right?

[@957X99]

I don't get it. How does the Epic E19 differ from the Apex Forged 19. Both are 1025 bodies with cup face. All the components are nearly identical. Placement of the components is nearly identical. TXG testing Apex Forged 19 6i came up with 203 yds carry (Matty) but 215 yds with Epic E19 6i. Where is the extra length coming from? Longer shaft, shaft construction, secret sauce, what? Also in the hands of a 15 index play, is this club just going to compound offline hits with the extra distance? Great review! You're the first ones with testing of this club. Good job with that!

[@957X99]

OK, here is the difference between an Apex 19 and Epic E19 6i & 7i -- Club Loft Length Lie Offset Swing Weight Swing Weight Apex 6i 26.5* 37.50" 61.50* 3.6 D0 Graphite D2 Steel Epic 6i 24* 38.25" 60.50* 3.4 D0 - Tensei AV Silver D2 - SteelFiber Apex 7i 30.5* 37.00" 62.00* 3.0 D0 Graphite D2 Steel Epic 7i 27* 37.625" 61.00* 3.3 D0 - Tensei AV Silver D2 - SteelFiber There is no Epic 3i listed whereas there is an Apex 3i. Epic line also has an addition greenside wedge listed which is not available in the Apex. Epic lofts are general 2.5* to 3* stronger than Apex lofts. Shafts in Epic are .25" to .5" longer than in Apex. Offset differences vary from club to club. Also, Epic has a "floating" tungsten weight; Apex is not called "floating". From the blow up photos the Epics weight appears to be imbedded in a rubber like material; the Apex only has "rubber" on the clubface side. Seems to me that an Epic 7i = an Apex 6i hence an extra club distance. If you cannot hit a an Apex 4i will you be able to hit an Epic 5i??????

[@957X99]

I have no control over the formatting. Let's try this again. OK, here is the difference between an Apex 19 and Epic E19 6i & 7i -- Club----Loft------Len-----Lie Apex 6i 26.5* 37.50" 61.50* Epic 6i . 24.0* 38.25" 60.50* Apex 7i 30.5* 37.00" 62.00* Epic 7i. 27.0* 37.625" 61.00* There is no Epic 3i listed whereas there is an Apex 3i. Epic line also has an addition greenside wedge listed which is not available in the Apex. Epic lofts are general 2.5* to 3* stronger than Apex lofts. Shafts in Epic are .25" to .5" longer than in Apex. Offset differences vary from club to club. Also, Epic has a "floating" tungsten weight; Apex is not called "floating". From the blow up photos the Epics weight appears to be imbedded in a rubber like material; the Apex only has "rubber" on the clubface side. Seems to me that an Epic 7i = an Apex 6i hence an extra club distance. If you cannot hit a an Apex 4i will you be able to hit an Epic 5i??????

[@957X99]

I give up. Go to the Callaway web site they have the Spec table for both clubs.

[@brianforrester9670]

Am I the only one that takes exception to these multi-piece irons, where only one component of the head is forged, being labeled as "forged"? If you have to weld the face onto the iron, it isn't "forged" in my opinion.

[@stevenc9207]

Yes, you are the only one

[@armike234]

So if I bought these... I would hit an 8 iron 180 9 170 p 160.. then wedges from 150 to 50 yds... lol.. why dont they give these clubs normal lofts....? Because of these lofts it forces me to go blades apex.. I would love to have forgiving clubs with normal loft

[@michaeljbrennan3728]

Sounds a tad bit cost prohibitive like PXG. A friend has a set of PXG’s. He let me hit a few balls on the range with them. Very nice clubs. Just not $5,000 a set nice.

[@CyVelasCo]

Its not an iron for the general public. Callaway is trying to target that customer willing to buy PXG's, Miura's, etc... and gives them another option. And the reason why Callaway can't just make a club like this at a lower price point is becuase, the materials used and procedures used to make them cost more.

[@colbyvaughn9460]

Could I bend my 919 forged to these lofts. And if I did what result would I get?

[@stevenc9207]

You’d get lots of LOW shots

[@mikeb1149]

The problem I see is distance gapping at wedge and fairways. If the 6i is a 215 club, and assuming 12 yard gaps, your 7 is 203, the 8i is 191, the 9i is 179, so your PW is 167??? AW is 155, SW is 143, and your LW is 132. What's going to be your 100 yard club? Same problem in the front of the bag. Your 5i is 227 and your 4i will be 239. Your 5w must then be 251, 3w 263 and finally the driver at 275. The three wedges and the 1/3/5 woods are simply not distances the average amateur player is going to achieve. If your AW is even 130 yards, there will be a 37 yard gap between that and PW. Many sets are not made with AW/SW/LW or people tend to use a different brand of wedges from their irons. Callaway in the case of this set actually makes all the follow on wedges, so the PW is actually 41 degrees! The AW is 46, the SW 51, and finally the LW at 56 degrees. I would like to see you fit your mid handicapper with the 9i and PW in this set and the see the gap problem when going to a different brand of wedge. You would have an 11 degree gap between the PW at 41 and your standard wedge set of 52/56/60. Priced a 4-SW set on the Callaway website. A mere $3600 CDN. lol

[@95TFlyers]

Ian’s swing.. he’s a Robot man.

[@oldgold5848]

The argument about number of wedges needed is compelling. There are some things to bear in mind. The average player Ie not Ian or Matty, is pretty inaccurate at 180 yrds plus.....you could carry 10 clubs to cover you from 180 to 230 and it would not improve your score, because you would not hit it accurately enough most of the time to sink the first putt or chip........but carrying say a 48 54 60 and 64 degree wedges and knowing your distances with full swings , 3/4, 1/2 etc .....well that helps scoring. Some will say the height these clubs go makes them a six iron, others will say the launch angle, shaft length and loft mean you are hitting a 4 iron. Me...I call a seven iron a seven iron. It has 34 degrees of loft, I carry it about 155. I could get a stronger lofted set...I would still be rubbish with them!!!

[@merkeva1841]

whats the point of hitting a pitching wedge 180 yards

[@ML-wb5pj]

Nice 3-iron.