Lufthansa A340 has ENGINE ISSUES AT SAN FRANCISCO | Dumps Fuel Offshore

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[@charlieinsingapore]

DLH459: We need a dumping area to dump fuel SFO DEP: Stand by for vectors to nearest primary schools

[@nmpls]

Nah, that's LAX only

[@ecoRfan]

Delta should get “schooled” by Lufthansa

[@kyzone]

Ahahahhha 😂😂

[@hardy2k11]

Lufthansa is like....."were not Delta"

[@hizi1212]

😂

[@brocanova]

The precision and clarity of the LH drivers are impeccable

[@alex321neo]

Pilots you mean?

[@emoluv54865]

Yep Nothing compared to the Truck Pilots!

[@omma-llama7860]

Dumped fuel over the ocean? so uncool... Delta pilots would just dump it over the city on approach without telling ATC.

[@rsattahip]

It was downtown browntown who cares.

[@ailivac]

"We need a dumping area" "Turn left heading 110 and descend to 2500, 4th grade recess just started"

[@johnclamshellsp1969]

Jet fuel like many light petroleum liquid products will evaporate long before it hits the surface. It is why fuel dump nozzles are just that, large dispersant spray for faster evaporation effect.

[@paulveitch]

@@johnclamshellsp1969 shame it didn't when delta dumped over LA

[@afcgeo882]

John Clamshell SP Only if the outside temps are warm. Otherwise it mists and evaporates on the surface.

[@iflyg4]

Now this is how you professionally do it.

[@bobdonovan34]

speeding up the dumping vectors and keeping the ATC vector audio was a great piece of editing. You have a good feel for keeping your viewers engaged. Thank you.

[@ljfinger]

I agree - really well edited video. The dots during the dumping, the airport highlighting, everything.

[@automandan3066]

Are you new here?

[@VASAviation]

Thanks! Trying to do my best ;)

[@martin912]

Lufthansa being a 5-stars airline is a big discussion on every occasion the name comes up. But no one can deny those pilots are 5-stars everytime they have an issue with their plane. From Kennedy-Steve ("I'll look at it myself") to non-emergency-engine-breakdowns ("we're not declaring emergency") to that awful ATC in Colombia. They always know exactly what to do and handle everything by the book.

[@toledoseahawks3348]

German quality.

[@maxvonfahrzeugen]

And Lufthansa IS a 5-star airline. Period.

[@junkonakamura3441]

German-marque Mercedes won't be up there for no reason.

[@FryChicken]

@@maxvonfahrzeugen Meh, the latest economy class experience I had left a LOT to be desired

[@FryChicken]

@@Cytoplasm4508 You don't understand. They only had vegetarian food options.

[@justanotheraviator2357]

Nice! Damnit, no schoolchildren got soaked.

[@beyondinsanitybr]

Yeah right? That's proper work

[@kolorado7260]

For we Germans know how to follow rules

[@scotchsoda3165]

These fish taste like gasoline......

[@azphxandrew]

Schools of fish got fuel. Lol

[@gordo1163]

@@kolorado7260 your country had the holocaust, no one wants to hear that

[@cryptobox128]

Lufthansa pilot: "Give us one minute" 72 seconds later, LH is ready with their request.

[@roadrunner6224]

Brian D McMahon their unprofessionalism is shocking. If they needed 72 seconds they should have clearly stated that and not let the atc wait for 12, their behavior is ungerman and I am embarrassed by them.

[@inshallamiami]

@@roadrunner6224 LOL

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[@Attilablabla]

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[@Sam-gl8su]

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[@chenwong1036]

1:24 [desisting] => persisting

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[@VASAviation]

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[@QuakedoceS]

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[@sarahalbers5555]

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[@claw9620]

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[@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts]

When my flight from Houston to Sao Paulo turned around because some towers along the route went dark, we dumped over the Gulf for about 40 minutes. At least they put it back where it came from lmao

[@jackherstam7935]

Excellently handled by the LH crew as usual. A good example of ATC declaring an emergency on behalf of an aircraft (unless that was contained outside of the audio in the video). The only thing wrong with this process was the waste of so many tonnes of fuel.

[@thesniper704]

That was very professional by all. No any kind of bs. Good job.

[@OfficialTron117]

Lufthansa be like "We don't poison kids, fly the best airline"

[@rsattahip]

It's ok to poison Bay area liberals.

[@huskytail]

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Unlike a certain airline named D...

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[@davidmichael5573]

Black Dog yep. He beat the media on the stolen in Sea-Tac, S.W., and a lot of others. That one just threw him to the top. And his walk through of that video I think he was still in shock how viral that video went. Being a pilot my news feed from other pilots sharing that video was full.

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[@rhallnapa]

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[@HectorWPadilla]

What a difference from DL89 at LAX.

[@TPRQnet]

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[@mak-nic4906]

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[@haiqalzaki5113]

Love the animation!

[@VASAviation]

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[@ollifrederic3586]

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[@sunnyscott4876]

Yes, I agree.

[@Rhaman68]

Always amazed at such a large airframe with the ability to fly safely on one engine. My last plane before retiring was the A-320 and, now ancient technology compared to the A-340. Great job by all. Thanks

[@2201Duluth]

Such incredible professionalism

[@nedfishburn5724]

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[@VASAviation]

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[@lukcarson9355]

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[@VASAviation]

You will

[@matrixab4356]

German pilots are badass !

[@smartycummins2500]

That captain is as profession as it gets! Love it!

[@bardo0007]

Professional German pilots followed the procedures 100%, I would be a happy passenger with them onboard.

[@Mike_Sierra95]

German Pilots are the best!

[@nmpls]

German pilots' ATC voice is awesome.

[@DirtlovR]

Right? 99% of the time they're walking (flying?) example of typical German stereotype - calm, professional and focused on the job. I remember that one ATC video when Lufthansa 747 had an engine failure and they insisted they're not emergency aircraft - just an engine failure tuesday, no biggie.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

St0rmw!nD Stupid comment. Americans proved best. Want to bet on who win the WW2?? You Idiot..

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

@@tr3c00l91 Yeah. The Germans. They became very straight after losing the wars to USA..

[@realn_c]

@@tr3c00l91 Let me apologize for my fellow American's jackass-ness. I promise we're not all like this.

[@WhiteKestrell]

They cannot dump over the children. Kinder Surprise is banned in the USA.

[@c182SkylaneRG]

This is one of the downsides to super-long range non-stop flights: when they have a problem immediately after takeoff, the amount of fuel they have to dump becomes greater and greater. With shorter flights, you have a greater ability to return to land without dumping any fuel at all, but most of those fuel loads won't last across the ocean...

[@afcgeo882]

c182SkylaneRG So deep. 😂

[@nick21614]

The fuel evaporates before hitting the ground/ocean unless they are too low like the DL flight.

[@c182SkylaneRG]

@@nick21614 Yeah, but it still gets into the air and environment. Even more importantly, though: it's like flying out over the ocean with a pallet of money, opening the door, and dumping it in. Being a finite resource as it is, any that winds up getting dumped doesn't get to be used. The company has to buy more gas without getting to use the old gas that they already bought.

[@nick21614]

@@c182SkylaneRG True but losing gas is cheaper than losing a plane with ~238 people on it.

[@jemand8462]

It could be actually good for the environment as no co2 is produced through dumping.

[@CollegeAviator]

Funny enough - LH455 SFO-FRA a few days ago also operated by an A340-600 (D-AIHF) had to turn back to San Francisco due to an engine issue

[@johnathancorgan3994]

Nice video, always good to see my home stomping grounds. When new class B airspace outlines?

[@1320fastback]

What, couldn't find a local elementary school to dump it on?

[@spaceshuttle8332]

San Francisco kids got lucky unlike the LA kids that got drenched in jet fuel

[@emoluv54865]

Somehow , If he wasn't a pilot. His job would be "Would you consider a 1880 wine with that? It goes really well with a Tarte Tatin no?"

[@ByT1mothy]

German proffesionality 🇩🇪💪

[@oldgregg777]

Excellent video, just curious what kind of nutcase would give this a thumbs down?

[@audigex]

Ah yes, the dreaded three engine approach.

[@afcgeo882]

audigex MD-11 drivers not amused.

[@mahu1982]

look for the swiss airline 340 airline engine failure video! most chill ever, they have chocolate while doing the checklists haha

[@James-oo1yq]

I remember doing one in my Cessna 172 back in Vietnam...😜

[@73av8r5]

Well at least these guys didn’t dump at low altitude over a heavily populated area. 🤨

[@DomManInT1]

I thought the new fuel dump procedure was to fly over LA to dump.

[@ecoRfan]

And the Lufthansa pilots “school” Delta

[@wkdravenna]

Why didn't they dump over a school?

[@karloarsch1579]

`cause they are Germans, they follow rules! ;)

[@DschongHo]

I thought in the US schools are reserved for automatic rifles?

[@wkdravenna]

@@DschongHo shouldn't you be suffering from Corona virus?

[@DschongHo]

@@wkdravenna Nope. I appreciate your concern, but we're doing fine. Maybe because of stuff like free public healthcare, who knows.

[@wkdravenna]

@@DschongHo you just out enjoying your day? Cutting organs out of ughers ?

[@seagullsbtn]

And they dumped offshore not on schoolchildren. Nice job guys.

[@DiRECs]

0:47 Narrator: That was not the last time they spoke that night

[@theswiller85]

1:22 when you have the close up of the radar screen. The point that the plane would be at is a letter. In the case of the LH flight it is a "U". I also see "W" and "B". What do these letters represent?

[@Reboyo1]

I'm completely going to be making a guess just based on their clumping against the atc map in the background, but I think it's code for which controller is handling them. All the W's seem to be bunched around the landing pattern for the airport, and all the U's seem to be bunched around departure end. Later in the video, when it's in the landing pattern, the LH flight does change to a W. The G's look like they're all in the landing pattern for another airport, and the B's seem to be at a higher altitude, so I'm guessing another controller that's handling the higher altitude airspace.

[@neatstuff8200]

The A340 is underpowered with four engines working. Lucky they made it back. Thank you God!

[@PrincessGrouchy]

But what is there was a kindergarten off shore? tHiNk Of ThE cHiLdReN!

[@scotchsoda3165]

Ya, what if there's a "school"

[@Galf506]

more like "Guess Lufthansa actually trains their pilots"

[@ecoRfan]

Bob Bobby a school of fish

[@frealof]

Querido Víctor, me has metido el gusanillo de comprar un escáner, pero encuentro muy poca información. ¿Algún consejo, alguna tienda en Madrid o web donde investigar un poco? Gracias caballero, enhorabuena por este pedazo de canal.

[@VASAviation]

Seguro que por la web encuentras un montón ;)

[@mikethewoodworker6194]

Before anybody jumps all over me with this question, and I know it’s for safety, who pays for the dumping of the fuel for the cleanup if this would be any other industry and they dumped fuel they would be responsible for the costs of the cleanup and possibly fines does that exist in the airline industry. Second question this is happened in the past where they’ve actually dumped fuel over a populated area I live approximately 1 mile from an airport is there something I should know when it comes to planes dumping fuel.

[@Reboyo1]

Jet fuel, when dumped at the correct height, evaporates, or as the comments section says probably more correctly, atomizes as it's being exposed to the atmosphere outside of the plane. Cleanup is typically not necessary as there's just nothing to clean up. In Delta's case with LAX, they're going to end up paying for cleanup, or more likely their insurance company is going to be paying. Fuel dumping isn't something done on a regular basis, only in those situations when the plane is over it's maximum weight to land so it doesn't break the landing gear. When it is done, it's usually done over sparsely populated or unpopulated areas. At 1 mile from a major airport, I doubt you'd ever see any fuel dumping overhead. If you lived on a farm like 20 miles out from a major airport, you might see it happen overhead at some point unless your house is in the landing pattern. Also, on a side note, not all planes can dump fuel, so those that can't, would go in to a holding pattern for a while to just use the fuel up until they're at landing weight.

[@mikethewoodworker6194]

Reboyo thank you for the explanation I always wondered, no luckily I am not in a landing pattern but I can see them go by but not overhead. Very small airport YQG, Air Canada is pretty much the only major airline in the winter time we get the odd ball airline that flies to Cuba and Mexico

[@svenroever1738]

German pilots are great. Just like Matthias Rust in 1987 (Moscow landing, without ATC though!)

[@lol-ug2ry]

19 dislikes from Delta employees

[@scotwoodz3787]

Were they high enough to atomize to fuel? How many tens of thousands gallons of fuel did they dump?

[@CuriousMaker609]

I wonder what route the aircraft would have taken to Munich. Would it be over the Arctic via Russia or the other way over Atlantic?

[@afcgeo882]

Sai Yamanoor Russia? No... They fly over Northern Canada in an Easterly direction, then over Greenland, Iceland, Norway and southeast toward Denmark and Germany to Munich. That is the typical East-Bound Atlantic corridor. If flown directly north out of San Francisco, over the pole and then straight south, you’d come out by Samara in Russia, which is a bit too far East, so they fly NorthEast instead. There are also sufficient diversion points in between this way. The arctic region has very few diversion points.

[@counterfit5]

George L yeah, North America + Atlantic < Pacific + Asia

[@skycruiser777]

can’t believe they’re still flying those old gas guzzlers..anyways, not a note of stress in the pilots voices, well done, flight deck crew.

[@Rickybondfly]

come on!!!!!!!! it's just an engine failiure in a plane with 4 engines.... it looks like you are talking as they were heroes!

[@afcgeo882]

The 340s are definitely not economical, but they are reliable and are expensive to replace.

[@sdaiwepm]

Lots of A340s fly to South Africa, for some reason.

[@jemand8462]

As far as I know it’s the only plane that never crashed before all the new generation planes, isn’t it?Not too shabby. Also: for me the 346 is the most beautiful aircraft ever built. And size does matter....

[@afcgeo882]

Jemand The A340 has crashed before. Why not do a quick Google search before posting nonsense?

[@shadddey5]

Delta’s executives are watching this video, vigorously taking notes on how to properly dump fuel..

[@BatBellyAviation]

Good thing A340 has 4 engines, if 1 fails it still has 3 left.

[@VASAviation]

You're good at math

[@BatBellyAviation]

VASAviation - thanks I just passed 6th grade math

[@jemand8462]

Downside is: they need 2 for a go around as far as I know

[@borisglevrk]

I thought they have 5 APUs instead?

[@BatBellyAviation]

Boris Glevrk You’re thinking of the A340-300 and -200 with the hairdryer CFM56 This is an A340-600, with much more powerful Rolls Royce Trent 500s

[@vincentwong2386]

I saw the plane landing yesterday

[@PopuleuxMusic]

KetchupPackets_ I’m in the Bay Area to

[@immanuelj8952]

Lufthansa dumbs fuel Delta: Takes notes

[@segredosdotiosam9989]

How come a lot of pilots are named Roger?

[@martinc.720]

DAmerica And there are many, many captains named Speaking.

[@eaglemotion292]

It was a bird strike I believe. One of my friends was in the plane

[@Victorious626]

Hey, do we know exactly what was wrong with their engine?

[@operator0]

So, any word on weather it was a bird strike?

[@jacksycz]

... dumps fuel the right way...

[@Yves_Ka]

How much is the dumped fuel worth in $$ /€ ?

[@ianhamilton396]

Lufthansa Crew get an extra night in San Francisco, local school yard gets a shower.

[@matt39581]

sadly the experimental "elementary school at sea" project was directly underneath at the time

[@daviedmond4639]

Yaaayyyyyyyy they didnt dump fuel on thousands of innocent ppl !!

[@CatBoiAnimationsIsEpic]

Well its better than delta...

[@davidca96]

uh oh they lost a hairdryer

[@leonhertrich8014]

It was a a340-600 not a a340-300

[@johnweb7055]

Just out of intellectual curiosity...why would anyone give this a thumbs down?? Either you enjoy ATC and listen to it on KZbin or you don’t. What exactly is wrong with this?? You’re offended by ATC? By the pilots?? You don’t enjoy flying??? That has nothing to do with whether this a thumbs up is due. This is a KZbin channel that not only finds the recording, but creates the map/tracks. Seriously....anyone....please explain why this chancel deserves a thumbs down. Disclosure: I have ZERO connection to this KZbin channel.

[@toledoseahawks3348]

Maybe there are people who just hate the german accent? Idk. Or they expected another type of video instead of a mulfunction.

[@waynewelshans1172]

noob question: why can't planes dump fuel faster? I mean 45 minutes seems crazy long in an emergency, I would think it should be possible to dump all fuel in like 3 minutes.

[@cryptobox128]

Recommend you start with the Wikipedia “fuel dumping” article.

[@GGKevin]

Is it just me or do Lufthansa pilots always have non-abbreviated articulate readbacks?

[@segredosdotiosam9989]

I though the procedure was to dump thew fuel over the poor Like Delta does. no ?

[@OnTourWithGerrit]

Maybe especially that I am German, I can hear the German accident. But they made it way better than Delta :P

[@maireweber]

Haha, unser Akzent ist ein Unfall! accent, nicht accident ;P Aber deutscher Akzent ist am Funk wirklich deutlicher zu verstehen, sogar für Amis. Andererseits, für die klingt das sicher nach Reden ausm Volksempfänger.

[@MrWiggenhammer]

Everybody can hear the German accent. But clear efficient and proper communication

[@OnTourWithGerrit]

@@maireweber Dafür gibt es im Funk keine Autokorrektur ;)

[@SirJeff]

3:50 Turn Left heading *340*

[@andrew_rose]

of course it was an A340

[@detroitbucknut]

why'd he waste time dumping over the ocean? he could just follow the new SOP devised by that Delta pilot in LA and just dump it all over the population. /s

[@rsattahip]

Short way to dump it on Berkeley or Sacramento. Dump the toilets too.

[@fastpace101]

Are airlines fined for dumping fuel? They should be even if it's in emergency.

[@James-oo1yq]

fastpace101 The cost of that fuel and arranging another aircraft would be huge anyway.

[@subwayak]

Why should they be fined? If done correctly (like by this Lufthansa crew) the fuel will never reach the ground or sea. It’ll simply atomize in the atmosphere.

[@ninotravis1341]

Again

[@militaryav8r]

Watch and learn DELTA!!!

[@hdfreefly]

0:59 out of one six thousand 16 ooo ft (not 1600 ft one thousand six hundred) climbing three thousand 3000 ft

[@Kaipeternicolas]

Good catch!

[@VASAviation]

And does that make any sense? No. That's why corrected it for him.

[@robmonkey]

Remember Swissair 111 heavy? The flight out of JFK, destined for Geneva, that had a fire break out in the concealed space just aft of the cockpit? They diverted to an alternate airport on the eastern coast of Canada, but first they requested vectors to dump fuel, following protocol. Unfortunately, the fire had already spread out of control and the plane went down into the Atlantic before they were even able to begin the fuel dump. All souls aboard were lost. There was a lot of armchair quarterbacking in the comments section. One argument that was made was something along the lines of "f**k the environmentalists, I would have been dumping fuel all over the eastern seaboard of the United States and Canada!" I have a suspicion that those Delta pilots flying into LAX had that same disregard for protocol, being from Georgia and all. And they probably had the same cavalier attitude (regarding California and it's reputation for environmental protection and health). I bet those 2 in the cockpit were laughing the whole time, knowing that they would get away with it - operating under declared emergency as they were. Those 2 buffoons are the exception, not the rule. It doesn't have to be Lufthansa, it can be any airline that follows protocol, requests vectors to dump fuel over unpopulated areas and at the appropriate altitude. Honestly, a lot of the comments on this one do make me laugh though. It's the sort of perverse laughter thinking about intentionally harming the people and environment with carcinogenic jet fuel mist and knowing that they won't face any consequences for the harm they cause. It's not about Delta vs Lufthansa. It's about people piloting a commercial aircraft who can follow protocol.

[@Rv12_pilot]

Again? First bird strike now this? Luffy stop sending the A340s

[@afcgeo882]

jayden chow Sure... as if A340s attract birds.

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

damn scarebus !!!!!

[@Capt.Rankin]

Wilbur Finnigan Because This shit doesn’t happen on Boeing aircraft right?

[@lephisto]

0 fatality aircraft. Go, step into a 737max :D

[@sdaiwepm]

A330 (ETOPS) could complete the trip on one engine - why can't A340 do it with three?

[@ravenfan1509]

Les IsMore likely because they had just taken off. It might be different if they were more than halfway through the flight, but they probably didn’t want to risk anything with engine issues beginning less than 30 minutes into an 8+ hour flight.

[@afcgeo882]

4-engine planes don’t have ETOPS, but also, an A330 would have diverted too. Just because you CAN complete it, doesn’t mean you SHOULD.

[@redshirt49]

@@afcgeo882 This. Safety takes priority, yeah they could have completed their flight (probably), but you never know what caused the engine failure and if there are additional issues you can't see or might arise in flight. What if there was damage to the wings or flaps? What if another engine was damaged? You don't really want to find out for sure when you're on the open ocean with no place to land for hundreds of miles. Procedure dictates that the plane be grounded immediately and receive a full maintenance check-up.

[@afcgeo882]

redshirt49 Exactly!!!

[@jemand8462]

Just writing etops doesn’t mean anything. Etops Applies to all aicraft. And no, an a330 would have returned after engine failure as well as any other aircraft. Why did you even write this uninformed shit?

[@sourabhpatil7309]

Looks like the captain is Indian Bengali or Bangladeshi...

[@DschongHo]

You think so? Cause I as a german would say he got a pretty distinct german accent... ;-)

[@bradmikkelsen8960]

A Lufthansa pilot from Bangladesh? I don't think that exists

[@herrpausr7008]

Why do most LH pilots speak such a strange "German english" ?!? ;)

[@herrpausr7008]

@@DschongHo Bavarian accent! He is definitely from Munich

[@vjc3818]

No that's definitely a German accent