VW ID.4 - World Car Of The Year?

[@and1111000]

It's a pot noodle but with the sachet removed - brilliant!

[@Bryan46162]

So, to sum up: It's completely fine. It does everything you expect it will. The only problem is that everybody else does everything better.

[@izpodpolja]

Rather than some other cars do different things better at varying price points.

[@spuddy4063]

Name one single competitor to TESLA that does anything better?

[@izpodpolja]

@@spuddy4063 Teslas are loud - a lot of competition is better here, not particularly comfortable & the suspension in TM3 - granted it is sort of a sports car - never seems to settle on rougher surfaces, handling is better with say Taycan, efficiency with Koreans, space & practicality - with MEB cars, charging with E-Tron & new Koreans. Not saying they are bad cars - au contraire - but this preconceived notion that they are the best thing since slice of bread is quite baffling. TLDR - different strokes for different folks

[@savedfaves]

​ @Spuddy Name one single competitor to TESLA that does anything better? Road noise (pick any luxury brand). Quality control (pick any luxury brand). Interior build quality (pick any luxury brand). After-sales (pick any luxury brand). Physical buttons (many prefer this; Tesla owners say you get used to it). Better door handle design (Mach E). HUD missing from Model 3 (pick any luxury brand).

[@stamfordly6463]

And a lot of them do it better for less.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

FANTASTIC ending! (Yes, I'm the guy who watches the end credits in the cinema)

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Maybe I should start doing end credit scenes. MCU stylee.

[@AdamPurcell]

Frank Drebin would be proud of that closing freeze frame!

[@hamshackleton]

One word sum-up of the car - BLAND. The only thing n it's favour is that VW can't cheat on the exhaust emissions!

[@andrewmullen4003]

I was just about to say that, the VW ID Bland

[@EwanV]

Ah, just wait for the fiddles on the KW/mile tests!

[@benholroyd5221]

You're assuming that it doesn't have an IC engine. The recommended screenwash is unleaded.

[@hamshackleton]

@@benholroyd5221 - I think you are on about a different car.

[@spuddy4063]

Or even find their own charger network I might add.

[@staceylee4071]

Note: UK towing limit for an unbraked trailer is 750kg. For the ID4 to tow 1000kg it would need either overrun brakes or coupled brakes.

[@e-redj]

The ID.4 can only tow 750kg if unbraked. It’s the same in continental Europe.

[@gin9991]

Is it not 1000kg of braked weight? that would make more sense and would be usable for a small caravan.

[@e-redj]

@@gin9991 it is either 750kg umbrales or 1000kg braked. The AWD version will be able to tow 1.200kg braked.

[@seanholdom9739]

ionic 5 can tow 1500kg

[@RWBHere]

@@seanholdom9739 According to the Hyundai specification. The law in the U.K. and in Europe does not allow people to tow that much weight behind a car.

[@QALibrary]

the bit at the end - very good!

[@mrmuds8624]

I think once the Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 are released, they will struggle to sell these as they're in a very similar price range. The range on this and ID3 are atrocious for people who only have like a 3-5 mile commute to work each day. The reason for this is that every time you drive it, the battery heater kicks and heats the battery (using something like 5-6kw) and this hammers the efficiency.

[@kevfquinn]

Look at this, then look at the Ioniq 5 - prices just announced starting at £37k. £42k for the 73kWh rwd version. No comparison. I suspect Hyundai might struggle to meet demand, though!

[@DaraM73]

ID4 was £38k before the Tory’s withdrew the grant. Regarding the Korean cars, UK trade taxes will inflate the price even further, plus car companies are clearly subsidising and offsetting the withdrawal from ICE with bloated EV pricing.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Ioniq 5 starts at £37k.

[@DaraM73]

@@ElectricVehicleMan and doesn’t qualify for the grant at 35k. Meanwhile all other territories, folks are saving thousands through the tax system. The ionic 5 will cost £38k for a 58kw base model. I don’t see any savings from the VW MEB

[@Adam-lx4et]

@@DaraM73 so the equivalent id4 with the 58kwh battery will cost 35k before grant

[@carlarrowsmith]

@@DaraM73 VW will need to drop the price then to get below £35K. You can still pick them up for 38k discounted at present.

[@simonlsibriene8jf8rje9g99]

Buttons are presumably more expensive than a screen and a few haptic touch buttons. I agree, buttons for the stuff you use regularly.

[@macberry4048]

I wonder if voice recognition for the windshield wipers would be better

[@davidsommen1324]

It's definitely not a bad car. But as almost any EV, it's too expensive. I'm putting my hopes on the Chinese competition to scare the European (and US) automakers to reconsider their outrageous EV pricings.

[@Mmmjustme]

I agree. Some of the Chinese offerings look pretty good. Until that is the government whack on their tax to hike the prices waaaaaay above the equivalent price Chinese people pay.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@djp3637 MG5 is available for £20k through Autotrader....... but what's MG long term reliability and durability like? Nobody knows yet.......

[@brianstevenson9967]

@@Brian-om2hh Tesla apart, some of the Chinese manufacturers have been producing EV’s for a very long time, longer than the Koreans, European, Japanese so I would hazard a guess that they know their stuff when it comes to EV manufacturing.

[@watcher24601]

A white steering wheel makes black gloss plastic seem like a brilliant idea

[@m2ger8]

it is a good idea if you plan to sell driving gloves.

[@Hell-Hound1]

Well done gents, you've nailed it. These are exactly my thoughts and feelings on the VW ID range. It's a bit of a let down. Thank you for your honest review.

[@savedfaves]

Very few honest reviews out there.

[@wobby1516]

Ease of entry exit and higher driving position, that’s why, well for my wife and I at least.

[@cbromley562]

It’ll be full of character and emotion once the kids are in it.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

They’ll be asleep in the back.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

DON'T KICK THOSE VENTS!!!!!

[@cbromley562]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Haha! The perfect car.

[@David-bl1bt]

Those rear vents are not only in for a good kicking but are at an ideal angle to catch biscuit crumbs, crisps, nuts and spilt fruit juice ...nice!

[@jeanpierrelanglois]

I feel you were on the negative side, to me this design is quite distinctive. As for the plastics, the hard surfaces are not made to be touched, so they but the money where it counts. All in all your coverage is quite complete

[@gingerone3801]

I agree, we loved it when we test drove it. It felt like it was very high quality, drove lovely and looked fab. We ordered straight away. Don’t understand the negativity at all to be honest

[@pato10111]

I agree. I actually found the review a bit grating if I'm honest. After watching more reviews on this channel they tend to favour the blokey cars.

[@martincollier1155]

An interesting take as when you were comparing, they seemed to be quite loaded questions. For example, would you have this or the 'cheaper' Skoda? However, if it were phrased would you have this or the 'less roomy and poorer ride' Skoda, would the answer still be the same? I love the channel BTW just thought I'd make an observation. And as you are openly against these cars it does show but its aimed at families who want the room and arent bothered by the speed or the badge (Tesla). I do agree that there are some improvements that are required in the ID4 though.

[@wiggi1968]

I love your channel. It's a breath of fresh air 👍

[@raz2443]

Good review, when over 65 a normal car is not easy to get out a suv is very much easier. And I need 4x4 as live off a road.

[@DeeSock]

Suv gives better view of road signs, landscapes, over hills/hedges etc. And more height also gives better rear-seat headroom and/or thigh support (because of more calfroom). And trunk can hold more. Not everyone needs use road as some sort of race track no matter what car journalists say

[@mondotv4216]

@@DeeSock Sorry - how does it give better view of road signs? I drive an SUV and the problem is so does just about evryone else. So at traffic lights etc visibility left and right is still compromised. And I never had a problem seeing road signs in a sedan? Unless I’m missing your point. Not too many hedges in Australia to worry about but I can imagine in the UK it might definitely be an advantage.

[@DeeSock]

@@mondotv4216 as more people get higher-up and wider cars then the visibility advantage for seeing over and around other cars is reduced but the disadvantage for lower cars increases if everyone else is like a truck by comparison (cannot see through other car's glass as much because not at eye level for example) For road signs, I mean the higher up you are, then the more you are eye level with traffic signs. For example green traffic light signals are usually over 2 meters off ground so the higher you are then the less you need to crane neck and peer upwards looking for the green light especially if you are first in the queue or have sunblind down or there is no traffic light on opposite side of the junction such as for a left turn light. More walls, bridges, humps, hills, hedgerows etc in Uk than Australia I guess so that advantage might be region specific

[@didierpuzenat7280]

SUV are *very* bad for pedestrians, since they impact vital organs. Such cars should be forbidden in cities. The only reason SUVs are everywhere is because carmakers can charge more.

[@DeeSock]

@@didierpuzenat7280 if that is true then safety scoring should be changed for example ID4 crossover has better EuroNCAP 76% pedestrian safety score compared ID3 hatchback 71%. Even the massive Touareg has 72% score.

[@RWBHere]

'It needs a bejazzle.', 'This is to cars what tofu is to food.' and 'It's Pot Noodles but with the sachet removed.' Brilliant humour! Thanks guys. 🙂👍

[@martinwray7001]

Well done guys, funniest yet.

[@kinghangan8540]

All the other cars mentioned are more expensive (except the Skoda). The Tesla model Y may be very nice, but where I live it's 20.000 euro more expensive (40% more expensive). So that's a good reason to choose the iD.4

[@ZicoTheMysticalWarrior]

Spot on review I think I'd have never paid full price for my ID3 but I'm more than happy with it for the price I paid.

[@computerbob06]

What did you get it for and where mate?

[@ZicoTheMysticalWarrior]

@@computerbob06 around £25k but it was before the end of the year when there was some crazy offers on.

[@mikek2218]

I like the simple, unassuming looks and love the practicality. Of course, I hate the non-buttons, but that is my gripe about every car these days. If I had my way, there would be no computer interface and instead analogue toggle switches, knobs, buttons, and dials for everything, (not goin to happen). This is probably number one on my list when the AWD version comes out.

[@davidsommen1324]

You could also look at the Enyaq which does have (some) real buttons

[@DaraM73]

@@davidsommen1324 ...and is the same price as the VW

[@mikek2218]

@@davidsommen1324 Unfortunately, the Enyaq is not an option for those of us in the States.

[@seanholdom9739]

@@davidsommen1324 a enyaq with all the esent6ial options cost £53,000 see buckley on electifying you tube

[@patrickfarrell5751]

Watch to the end. Nice all the way through. Thank you.

[@PaulMansfield]

Another excellent comprehensive review up to your usual high standard.

[@jrwaters943]

I actually prefer the armrests to those in my Kona EV. They are adjustable and when you need more space for something in the large/reconfigurable center console they can be moved out of the way. And as far as plastics go, they seem better than our Kona and Bolt and don’t scream cheap to me. They aren’t plush, but they aren’t really an issue for the cars mission.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

This is £5k+ more expensive than the Kona. It should be better than those.

[@jrwaters943]

@@ElectricVehicleMan that is a fair point given your market. Here in the U.S. a fully-loaded ID.4 Pro S RWD is within a couple hundred dollars of a loaded Kona Ultimate. And you can tow with the ID.4, it’s roomier, quieter, charges faster (level 3) and rides a bit better. To be fair it is slower in a straight line, but you also get 3 years of level 3 fast charging and 2 years of maintenance included (the latter of which doesn’t account for much in an EV, but is a nice perk). Overall it’s a decent value amongst our relatively limited options here in the states.

[@Isaac-un4cn]

The ending was hilarous

[@knitrundig4663]

Really enjoyed your review. It seems to be the perfect description and you have categorised the driver types perfectly. I am not interested in cars per se but comfort and practicality are important to me, rather than 0-60 speed. The controls and touch screen seem really irritating on the iD4. The one thing about Teslas is that screen and not having a display right in front of the steering wheel, I would be a driving nightmare to other road users!

[@jonathansmith5850]

I’m a big VW fan. Have 2 of them now. But I’m not convinced on the ID4 esp when you can buy a model 3 for similar cost. Yes it’s an SUV but I’ve driven 3 model 3’s before and I can’t believe the ID4 is more comfortable and better to drive and live with. Tesla all the way for me when it comes to electric cars

[@paultasker7788]

VW should have spent more on plastics, and kept the conventional switches and buttons.

[@robsmith1a]

I don't like SUVs but it appears people like sitting high and older people find them easier to enter and exit. SUVs also seem to have lights positioned to blind people in lower cars as they go by. Once you are up to Tesla price it is the only EV option because of the charging network as you say. Ten year old Citroen Picasso for £2k seems way more sensible purchase to me if you want that sort of car until EVs are a lot cheaper

[@seanholdom9739]

teslas are crap

[@Brian-om2hh]

From what I've so far read, the Skoda Enyaq has the edge over the ID4. Both cars use basically the same running gear etc, although Skoda has the nicer interior and more design flair..... The Skoda is also a little less costly. Skoda now needs to expand their EV range, and produce *it's* version of the ID3.... Re: Tesla. You need to remember that although Tesla do have the edge with their Supercharger network right now, the non Tesla charging infrastructure is improving all the time, thus eroding that advantage.

[@edwyncorteen1527]

The more "Mature" amongst us go for the taller cars, so much easier to get in and out of! You forgot to mention the Ariya as a possible alternative.

[@RWBHere]

My beloved Mother-in-Law is one of many people who dislike taller cars. They're too high up for her to enter or exit in a dignified way.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Given EVM's experience of Nissan dealers over his several years of Leaf ownership, I wouldn't entertain one......

[@allant53]

VW still have knobs but I think they all work in the design office

[@BRI535D]

One thing you overlook about SUV popularity is the ease to get in and out of particularly as we all get older and less mobile.Just as sales of automatic ICE cars are now more popular because people realise the benefits and can see through the 3 pedal macho bollocks.

[@chillmeister]

What did you think of the turning circle?

[@neddyl1225]

The new VW Tofu - coming to a dealer near you! Try and cook up a storm with that!

[@artemisag]

I would love to be able to pick any car of a certain price point. I have to go for SUV/crossover because of being a wheelchair user, sports wheelchairs are huge. Need the huge boot, and cant stand estate cars

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another great video. We sat in one bit back and didn’t like it . Like you said good space but the touchscreen and buttons are too much hassle the salesman couldn’t work it reliably ! And like you said the options are too many for too much !

[@Muppetkeeper]

My ID Buzz better be an improvement in that! :-)

[@casperhansen826]

The ID Buzz looks amazing, at least the prototype looks great.

[@MischaESC2]

Great review as ever. I SO agree on the buttons: knobs work brilliantly! Why remove them for touch thingymajigs?

[@leftcoaster67]

It's like they paid a big fine recently. LOL. Had a Police Squad! type ending. :)

[@simonreeves2017]

I watched Sandy Monro explain the technical tear down of the ID.4, it didn’t give me much confidence - I also have a friend who bought an ID.3 and is back to the dealer almost weekly with software issues, the dealer is clueless. VW has lost its crown in my book, but at least they are trying. I have a BMW i3, which I like a lot, but what have BMW been doing since they created the i3? Bugger all from what I can see. Legacy auto spent too long looking on and firing smear shots at Tesla, instead of getting on with job in hand. Wake up you guys!

[@michaelleiper]

Having had both a BMW 3 series and an X3 - the X3 was a lot more practical - primarily because it was a hatchback. (we still have the X3 - 13 years later - we sold the 3 series after a couple of years). Maybe if it had been an M3, but the X3 was also faster...

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

3 Series Tourer was maybe a better comparison.

[@Glyn001]

Id 3 / 4 are 7.5 k over priced for the quality of the interior across the whole range.They have played it to safe or as you say pot noodle with out the sachet or just boring???

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

my father-in-law just got a Golf R and I was astounded how crappy the plastics were in such an expensive car

[@MrSunnyBhoy]

I actually like this colour compared to the others it comes in. Quite smart. Haha hilarious, pot noodle ref 😂 the end, I genuinely thought the video had self paused lol 😂 nice work.

[@RWBHere]

Fair enough, and I have no beef with your choice. But when colour alone dictates whether or not people like a car, we have to consider the fact that there might be something wrong with the design.

[@Adam-lx4et]

Got to remember that the smaller batteries will be available soon 58kwh usable which should take the entry price below 35k before grant. Also I would imagine the arm rests allow the cabin to feel more open, then id3 inside feels a lot roomier than the egolf even at the front presumably because there isn't a big centre console in the middle.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Unbraked towing is 750kg and braked is 1,000kg. Just seeing if anyone noticed the deliberate error! 🤔

[@keithwilson1554]

SUVs became big as people liked the height to see forward and they were usually bulkier so gave them the illusion they were safer. So Women with families took them up in great numbers. The taller thing may have worn off a little as there are so many on the road now. The only reason they are safe is ESC, ESP,ESB (Whatever 3 letter sh*t I can come up with). All those things help to keep even low par drivers on the road. But sedans with lower centre of gravity and a good wheelbase are inherently safer. All cars since the 90's have had to raise their door heights (eg: Honda Odyssey ) to stop SUVs coming into the passenger area.

[@iantrott9152]

Love the ending 😂😂😂

[@jonricketts2408]

Thanks for the vlog, I was going to consider this but as you said a lot of money for a car that you have add a heat pump to and that’s just for starters, the high base cost and crap materials make this not viable for me.

[@williamclark6466]

Beige is a very nice shade of brown.......... Thanks fellas for a fun look at a car that isn't really.

[@TheHand1000]

Looking forward to a Bjorn vs EVM efficiency-off!

[@davidsworld5837]

bjorn roads are more high steep and nicer surface. vs UK crap road with more holes in them than the moon has

[@keithgeorge7338]

Thanks for vid. Isn’t it easier getting young kids in and out of child seats in back of an SUV?. I think so as a grandparent using an MG ZS EV £20k. Looks great and looks like an easy drive. Might be a bit big? The model Y looks crap. Too expensive for me and most people? Lots of competition on the way. Marvel R, Nino, xpeng. Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, etc.

[@nealm1814]

People buy SUVs/crossovers because they are easy to get in and out of and they like the higher driving position. Mind you either you are 5 ft tall or that thing is massive. That interior is nice....for a delivery van but not for a £40k motor.

[@JasonEDragon]

Sedans are good at moving people together with some of their possessions. Crossovers are good at moving either people or cargo. After owning a crossover I'll never go back. I love buying the occasional bulky item and not having to worry on how to get it home. I also can get a lot more of my shopping done in 1 big trip. Together with online shopping I find that I drive much less than I used to.

[@andrewharpin6749]

Does this have the same dangerous brake pedal as the ID.3? where below 10ish mph where the regen is not very effective and in traffic you have to really push on the pedal to engage the mechanical brakes?

[@davidy7004]

I'd be interested to see what you make of the Skoda Enyaq which I'm guessing is based on the same platform?

[@seanholdom9739]

still an old mans car boring looks

[@davidy7004]

@@seanholdom9739 Have to admit I'm not a fan of SUVs full stop - but they do seem to be popular and lots of manufacturers are making them.

[@RWBHere]

@@davidy7004 Manufacturers can make more profit from SUV's. That's the nub of it.

[@davidy7004]

@@RWBHere I believe they do sell well. I suspect at least part of it is people wanting to have a higher driver position than the car in front... which would perhaps work if no-one else drove an SUV. ;)

[@ram64man]

Things vw need to fix 1) the infotainment system and constant crashes affecting all the range not just the id series 2) restore the window switches back to 4 buttons and remove the touch controls back to buttons for the sun shade 3) move the fuse box in rhd models so we get a full sized box like europe 4 move the camera and boot opening to the logo 5) offer the light interior to Europe’s models and offer a light roof trim option right now it feels like your driving around in the dungeon 6) center console rethink its not the best layout 7) improve cold weather short distance - sub 8 mile distance, right now the battery conditioner/heater takes way to much energy heating the pack and often does not complete the heat up cycle such as the school run 8) give users the ability to disable the press break auto start feature and pin to start

[@kenndo9906]

Personally, I bought an SUV because of the seating position being higher ..... Might seem odd but the lower seating position of my old car gave me backache. Your review is spot on, its bland

[@savedfaves]

I suspect your backache may be unrelated to your seat and more to do with something more psychological.

[@TheMatte791]

Great review, and not too dissimilar opinion from a lot of other reviews. It's good, solid, but won't blow your socks off. It's a shame really, since I was looking forward to the ID3 and ID4 as the turning point when EVs really took off, but they just seem to be carrying a lot of issues against the price you have to pay.

[@terrylivermore9107]

Enjoyed your video. Why all this criticism of SUV’s. So many reviewers criticise them compared to saloons, the reality is the masses buy them (Check sales figures). The reason people want them is they are so practical for everyday use. The large tailgate opening allows everything from IKEA, washing machines, dogs push bikes you name it. The higher riding allows easy access etc.I have no problem with saloon cars or sports cars, however unless you can afford both, the SUV covers it all. I think you need to get over it and smell the coffee.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Tell me what the X5 has over the 5 Series Tourer? Getting in and out easier is for older people with mobility issues so isn’t really a factor to the general public. They’re Sports Utility Vehicles that are almost all 2WD, and not sporty or any more practical than the car they’re based on. Less efficient, more expensive to buy and run, uglier, heavier, worse at handling. Need I go on!

[@williamfence566]

Best double act on you tube . Cheers guys. BTW " the Volkswagen Tofu " LOL

[@christ6968]

You didn't even drink out of your own branded EVM water bottle. Youve let yourself down you've let the channel down but most importantly you let us down 😂😂

[@patrickf01]

Great episode!

[@macberry4048]

The thing I learned between the Sandy Monroe review and this review is that I should at least glance at the manual. The black and white design of the dashboard reminds me of WALL-E and I was bored so I paused to look at the different trim levels and the heat pump feature also bothered me. All the amazing stuff Sandy found during teardown has never been advertised by Tesla and it's like I'm surprised VW didn't advertise their version of the octovalve

[@evaddicted3224]

Hi, I really enjoy all your videos and I do like the fact you're from Yorkshire just because I also live in this part of England. I have been watching your and other channels for a while, however I haven't come across any video about EV tyres. It is going to be very interesting to hear from your experience which are the best tyres for an electric vehicle, do they need to be specific for EV and being from Yorkshire, is there any good budget tyres. Thank you in advance.

[@evaddicted3224]

@@Brian-om2hh thanks a lot for your reply

[@kevinnuttall7858]

well done honestly reviewed, I hired an ID3 like the drive of it and the range but our i3 better quality but not so good on the range

[@savedfaves]

Hiring one is actually a good idea. Much better than test driving it. You could take it for a few days even to get a real feel for likes and dislikes.

[@otterylexa4499]

So what you are saying is it's a minivan for people who don't want to be seen driving a minivan?

[@jadejensen4990]

Was waiting for you to review the id4, needless to say not quite the review I was expecting. Here in British Columbia, Canada the base model rwd starts at $44,995 qualifying for our $8000 in government rebates. So $36,995. The Tesla model Y starts at $69,900 and does not qualify for the rebate. So as you use to say before you bought your model 3 “ I can’t afford that” , I can’t buy what I can’t afford. So on it’s own merits, most reviews have said exactly what you said. It does everything well. But do the model Y or the skoda do EVERYTHING perfectly in every category, to make them better buys? So I eagerly await delivery to Canada in August/September so I can test drive for myself as I do have an id4 on order.

[@DaraM73]

Make sure you order the heat pump option. It’s mean of VW not to have as standard

[@jadejensen4990]

That’s the great thing, in Canada it comes standard

[@robw6755]

37,000 Canadian dollars is around 21,600 pounds ... No wonder we in the UK feel mildly aggrieved at car makers' global pricing policies

[@stamfordly6463]

I have a feeling that the choice of touch controls over physical controls is going to cause a few crashes in the long run at which point they'll be quietly revised away. They have the feeling of being a gimmick too far.

[@spaldi01]

Great review I'll get one in grey. It will sell because VW offer really attractive lease deals

[@michaeldawson6309]

Why do they now sell cars that look like they are still in primer ?

[@andrewdyson4255]

Knobs win every time ! Keep it simple

[@seanholdom9739]

use voice control system

[@chrisgreen4620]

Looks so much better than a tesla

[@asboss63]

Have you reviewed the Hyundai ionic 38kw? Hearing really good things ...would like your opinion 👍

[@brianstevenson9967]

I have at last tried the Id4. I make no bones about my opinions, I have an MGZS EV my only complaint with it is I would prefer a longer range as I find the MG is just on its limits for my requirements range wise. After having tried the ID 4 which is a larger car than mine there is no way I could be convinced to pay over a minimum of £15K more for this car over the MG or any of the other cars in a similar range, this car has had a lot of hype but it simply does not live up to that hype. VW, you need to try harder, this is not a £42k+ car, it is that simple.

[@imamiddleagedman]

If the model Y is priced sensibly when it arrives this will struggle in comparison.

[@DaraM73]

The model Y will be 40k+.

[@bryanduncan6178]

More like £50k plus!!

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

£45k I reckon.

[@bryanduncan6178]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Sorry, but no! The AWD Long Range Model Y is priced just below the Performance Model 3 in all markets, that would put it at around the £55k mark. The Performance Model Y would be just above the Model 3 Performance at around £60k. If Tesla do offer a Long Range RWD then this will be around the Model 3 Long Range AWD at around the £49k mark....

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@bryanduncan6178 I meant the model Y will start at around that. Not the LR one.

[@chippie2493]

Brilliant!M

[@Eb3nez3r]

Seen a couple on the roads, just a big boring baby bus... What is it with the race to the bottom for ultra dull cars?

[@FeatureRequest]

Light bars is an OEM obsession

[@8outof10catzDOOM]

The boot release is there on my Tiguan. As far as I know it's never been anywhere else. Also why would you need to put the rear passenger windows down when you are driving?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Never had kids in the back?

[@mike.n.davies]

The comparison with a model Y is absolutely pointless, it is not a car that can be purchased in the UK. I also think Model Y will be £10k more than an ID.4 or Enyaq. On the Enyaq front, to get similar levels of kit you need to hit the options quite hard which takes the price above that of the equivalent ID.4. Hand up, I have an ID.4 and like it. Chose it over waiting for the Enyaq as it is a better deal at this time. My efficiency is 3.2 mi/kWh over 1500 miles so far of mixed driving and I live in a hilly part of Wales. So I think it's a good car, but the tech is lagging behind a bit.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

More than UK people watch the channel and will watch this in the future when the Model Y is out. So of course it’s relevant.

[@mike.n.davies]

@@ElectricVehicleMan we will have to disagree on that. A car I cannot buy for at least two years has no relevance in a comparison. If its not a similar price it has no relevance.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@mike.n.davies It won’t take two years. It’s also out for many viewers right now.

[@michaelherlihy2090]

My base model ID.3 is about 15000 euros cheaper than the cheapest Tesla Model 3. It will be similar gap between ID.4. The Kia eNiro is nearly 10k euros more expensive for a smaller battery car than the ID.4 FE here in Ireland. I normally find your reviews bang on but found this one way off. I've nearly 15000km done in my ID.3 and it takes time to get the car but I'm surprised how much I prefer it over my more expensive eGolf with smaller battery now.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

eNiro is nearly £10k cheaper here and does more range with a smaller battery. I can only go off list prices, not what people ‘can get it for’ remember.

[@bordersw1239]

It will probably sell well based purely on the dealer network - most of us live within 10 miles of a VW dealer. Let’s hope their mechanics are properly trained to repair these.

[@georgedaville4662]

Good honest Yorkshire review. Now’t special and too dear! Wake up EV makers it’s our brass that’s buying these behemoths 😡

[@josephgittos3787]

Thanks for a great honest review, I personally like an SUV due to getting in and out of also we have a dog seat that also makes it easier to place our dog in and out of, I previously owned a 3door Merc and then a BMW 1 series and was starting to bother me getting in and out of and also stupid legs hitting steering wheel whist getting out. I own an evoque and that just looks more luxurious then this on the inside and outside and thats why I haven't made the EV SUV jump yet Price and quality. These VWs look so cheap and badly thought of (owned 3 VWs in my car life) the seats look rubbish and hate the haptic feedback buttons idea. I wonder if the Mobile companies will enter the EV world, I have just seen advert for Huawei that looked good so wonder when Samsung will do one also Apple companies like these will bring lots more tech with faster systems and probably better quality

[@neilbissett1240]

Great review but touch screens and buttons are a distraction 🙄😎

[@danpaul4975]

This is a great car... so go buy the MG5!!

[@oliverstemp9132]

It looks like it's from 1998, so definitely not.

[@michaeldawson6309]

More reasons for me to wait until this EV market matures in more ways than one. Kind of takes me back to the days we were comparing VHS and BetaMax and now we have Smartphones. Well I want the smartphone of the EV world. What I mean here is that back in the bad old days a VHS was about 3 months pay and the quality was quite poor. Now you can get a decent smartphone for 1 weeks pay and quality and practicality is great. So what we need is a good quality build at least 300 miles real range and charge in less than 15mins so people who charge off site don't need to spend a day out charging and prices around 30K. Funny though China is almost there ! EV's in Europe are still a rip off.

[@CoxJul]

Skoda Enyaq cheaper? Check out the specs and what you have to add-on to match.

[@davidspencer7254]

Just goes to show how much influence VW has.

[@jakehammond7972]

The Audi q4 looks better. I’m not convinced by VW themselves unfortunately.

[@ecok]

I disagree with you on the importance of Stats for long journeys. Yes, most of my journeys are short / local. But those days don't matter - I never run out of juice, I come home and plug in. I don't care how many kWh it used ... I probably do 5,000 miles a year running about ... if the car would do 5 miles / kWh I'd be down near 1p a mile, if it does less than 3 miles / kWh maybe nearer 3p. That's 3x as much, but its the difference between 50-quid and 150-quid. A year. But on the days when I do drive a long way I get to the charger at 10%, and I charge to 80%, and I am really really interested in what that 70% range at motorway speeds is. I need that 70% distance to be a sensible amount of driving - 2 hours would be good, I will be wanting a break by then. 10%-80% needs to be done in 20 minutes. That matters for those days when I am driving out of range. Local driving - I just don't care. Efficiency and consumption for local journeys is relevant for people with no home charging, and a kWh figure is useful for that scenario.

[@paulbarton957]

Considering the Tesla benchmark and now what the Korean companies are showing… and the China ev scene… I’m not sure the vw id cars are good enough. I’m not sure the whole meb platform is good enough.

[@simonlegg8940]

The Id4 biggest problem is the skoda version

[@renedekat3519]

Judging by the interior and user interface, it's almost like VW doesn't want to sell any of them. That UX should never have made it past an idea on paper.

[@MrQlife]

That’s the problem with electric cars. We’re in the market for a family car to replace our Toyota Corolla Verso. If we go EV they try to sell us a city car for the price of a family car. We’re not going to replace our car until those prices come down.

[@GaryJohnWalker1]

This'll just be the safe choice once there are a dozen ID models out. Hopefully. And people did freak out over EV stylinbg 5 or 10 years ago - other than the Model S - the Leaf and i3 and the concepts didn't go down well. What's the PCP deals on this? I assume there are some, and that'd make the price less relevant for anyone other than BiK users.

[@DaraM73]

There are no PCP deals from VW UK, only lease & care at £600ish pm

[@maxgreece1]

I’m guessing the Hyundai ionic 5 was too late for consideration.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Pretty much.

[@devonbikefilms]

No one walked into a dealership and asked for “20 foot of car please” . The Skoda has more presence.

[@EwanV]

So its bland... I used to have a Picasso, I can handle a little bland. So its expensive... Your buying the Skoda instead (which is less bland as well) if your buying new. So the materials are cheap... Why???? Its expensive??? Why is it made of cheap??? What this is is a good 2nd hand car for a family in 4 years time.