2021 Italian GP Race Review | WTF1 Podcast

Another classic in Monza! We discuss who was at fault for the Hamilton and Verstappen collision, whether Danny Ric is back and if the Sprint format should stay for future races.
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00:00 Intro
02:14 Hamilton vs Verstappen
34:52 McLaren 1-2
48:32 Bottas impresses
53:59 Monza Sprint
1:02:15 ABCDEF1
1:22:19 Predictions
1:28:19 Frank's say
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[@theanswerisfortytwo8481]

It was totally a fair race, because Ricciardo qualified on the front row and dominated the whole race. When Max and Hamilton crashed, they were behind off awful pitstops. It's not like the other random wins, where a safety car did this, or someone came from behind in some fluke way. This was a clean win and it was wonderful.

[@deezelkane]

LOL lewis wouldve hunted down daniel easily, as he did with norris. Dont be delusional. This wasnt a race won on merit, just as russells "2nd place" in spa

[@mantrruprit3179]

Right. There was a possibility but the McLaren are hard to overtake. But what he means is, the win wasn't unpredictable. We all knew the was a possibility

[@SARTHAXBEATZ]

@@deezelkane Wow.. are you serious mate? I think this is sarcastic

[@deezelkane]

@@SARTHAXBEATZ deadly serious. Lewis wasn’t playing no games- hence why crashpad took him out.

[@SBK_KARTING]

@@deezelkane nah there was a good chance ricciardo would have won the race on merit even if Hamilton didn’t get taken out. Guess we’ll have to thank max for his awful driving that we didn’t get to see a battle for the win

[@jackmanley1473]

Valtteri Bottas has raced the last two GPs with "You can't fire me; I quit" energy, and it's quickly made him one of my favorite drivers on the grid.

[@DGARedRaven]

Don't think that was intentional by him; but it feels like it :D

[@sbinotto3780]

If he wins sochi and doesnt let hamilton pass i will buy some VB77 merch

[@googleaccount3286]

Wow you jump quickly on bandwagons.. very authentic fan @Jack Manley

[@nestr2007]

@@googleaccount3286 boo hoooo

[@CometF81]

@@googleaccount3286 There's no bandwagon, seems more like sympathy to me. Also seems quite deserved to me, a bit like Vettel moving to Aston Martin scenario maybe. Great drivers getting a lot of hate during their career for absolutely no good reason...

[@pandeyabhishek712]

I'd like to point out that when Lando asked his race engineer to ask Daniel to be faster, Daniel was intentionally going slow to give Lando a tow for securing P2. You can hear it in the race comms. Only when Daniel's race engineer asked him to go faster, did he actually go fast and was able to score the fastest lap as well. So I do feel Daniel was the better driver this weekend.

[@alexsmith32012]

They also seem to forget who is Dan getting DRS or a tow from like Lando was so of course Lando felt quicker it was a little ploy by Lando to see if Mclaren would let him by because they sacrificed Dan last races for Lando for little to no reason so always a chance they do it again.

[@StinkyCheeseYodeler]

I think it was pretty even. It would've been interesting if they let them race it out.

[@alexsmith32012]

@@StinkyCheeseYodeler Its impossible for it to be even Dan was simply not getting a toe or DRS let them race and crash or they switch and then Dan has the toe and DRS. It was right for them not to risk throwing away 1-2.

[@frankthetank130]

100% agree Lando wasn't quicker, Danny just wasn't pushing. You're kidding yourself if you think Lando is a faster driver on this kind of circuit.

[@nht2071994]

"Dan was the better driver" so Lando didnt fend off Lewis for the whole sprint race, the 1st stint of main race. he didnt defend against Charles either. okay. if Lando hadnt done all those, Dan would ve been the better driver

[@itzlukeos3480]

It’s been tough seeing Daniel struggle all season couldn’t imagine how he felt. But after an hour and a half of being stressed off my head hoping Daniel won I couldn’t be happier he did. Needs to carry this momentum for the rest of the season into next and go for that long overdue title.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I finally get to say it. Daniel Ricciargoat is back. 😌

[@canihave1dab724]

I called Daniel to win this race after first practice sessions. I couldn’t stop yelling at the tv on Sunday

[@talithaguild9246]

Amazing race so happy for Danny Ric but I am waiting on the next race before I say anything about him being back.

[@itzlukeos3480]

@waquzy form is temporary but class is permanent, the honey badger was just hibernating. He lead for 48 laps and didn’t put a foot wrong, that wasn’t Daniel at his best but a taste of what he can do. If he can carry this momentum I have no doubt he can’t match lando for the rest of the season and then step it up and mount a title challenge next season with the right car. But as with every situation only time will tell

[@talithaguild9246]

@waquzy I kinda feel the same way that, 1 good race doesn’t undo an entire bad season. I don’t think Lando will out race Danny Ric the rest of the races, but definitely think he still has the upper hand. The next race will be a good judge of what’s to come.

[@roxannelyson7715]

"Take out your teammate, that's an 'E'."....Meanwhile, gives Stroll an A after breaking Vettel's front wing.

[@mithileshpatil7639]

Well other than that his performance was actually good, considering the pace of that car

[@mohamedally1276]

Tommy and Matt clearly just hate BOT. Made up the most number of places from last to podium and still gets berated.

[@nickmanhota324]

Where was bot the last 4 years, he deserves all the shit he gets now, sorry.

[@googleaccount3286]

I am the biggest Bottas hater, but regardless of the context, he did an amazing weekend. Was he supposed to ? Hell yeah, he is in the best car of all time. But yeah, no need to say that right now he deserves shit from fans

[@naheelsiddiqui8437]

He’s been getting shot from you guys since 2 years, now that he signs with Alfa Romeo he’s suddenly become such a good driver

[@Vincrand]

@@naheelsiddiqui8437 He clearly underperforms compared to Hamilton in most races. So he deserves some shit for that. That being said he does sometimes outperform Hamilton and he deserves credit for these moments.

[@JosephStalin9252]

Lol no, that’s what is expected when you are in one of the fastest cars on the grid. It wouldn’t have even been a podium if it weren’t for Perez’s penalty with his failed attempt to overtake Pérez at the second chicane

[@Bishey]

Kinda outrageous to not give Bottas an A* to be honest. You were talking about how difficult Monza is to overtake and how the DRS trains are tough. Bottas went from P19 to P3. Even if he went past Perez, there was no way he was getting past the McLarens. McLarens aren't just fast because they have Mercedes engines, they also have very little downforce so they are straight line rockets. Also Perez went on to get a penalty, which made risking to get past him worthless. Also his medium tyres died, everyone ahead of him was on hards.

[@nellikorpi7937]

I get so frustrated with Bottas’ good weekends never being acknowledged

[@blueguy12345]

A* seem reserved for Max most of the time

[@BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Didn’t they give Ocon an A* for winning a race when literally everyone else just screwed up? Consistent just like the FIA I’m feeling.

[@Aviation-vn7ko]

@@blueguy12345 Max gets an A* for turning up usually, overrated

[@pinquisitor9552]

I’m not a Bottas fan but he had a top weekend indeed

[@F_Ryan]

So happy for ricciardo needed to see that smile again

[@ayuandhira4464]

*AISURU.TOKYO/tokyo?[Making-love]* *(◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*18 years and over* 🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@devratnasari]

Tommy and Matty gave Charles and Stroll an easy A. And gave Bottas the same score? 😖 Poor Bottas

[@ogreman2229]

Stroll gets an A for ruining his teammates race

[@backoff1000]

@@ogreman2229 that is the only thing i see how he can be rated high. Does he want to join Merc? sorry too late...

[@simsidhu1596]

Ecstatic for a McLaren 1-2 as a long time McLaren fan. Just a note - Ricciardo's full radio was released and at lap 33(with Lando 0.9S behind) Ricciardo asked if he should keep Lando "close" and the team responded with pace is good, keep this pace till the end of the race.This was most likely to keep Lando in DRS range, keep the train going an stave off an attack from Perez and Bottas. To Lando's credit, when he asked Daniel to speed up at Lap 35, he probably was unaware of the Strat from the other side of the garage. Shortly after that, we saw Daniel pick up the pace and open up a gap consistently above 1second. Lando is a racer, he wants to race - he also probably wanted that first win for McLaren which is totally understandable. Maybe his radio message could have been a little less cheeky, but he's young and adrenaline is real. Kudo's to both sides of the McLaren garage for a perfect strategy and keeping calm and cool through this race. Lando's time as a race winner will come, and it will probably come sooner with both he and Ricciardo operating at 100%. Daniels improvement will help him immensely as the time will come when he might need Daniels help with a race win as well. I think Daniel will happily do it.

[@canihave1dab724]

Lando: Danny is too slow Danny: fastest lap Jokes aside, mclaren earned every bit of the podium.

[@darthsnarf]

Good for lando, he has also said in interview he wanted the win but ultimately does not care as he puts the team above himself, very mature for such a young driver. Will be interesting to see if he keeps that attitude when Mclaren becomes a top team again.

[@simsidhu1596]

@@canihave1dab724 I like how they both went for it at the end. Competition is good for them both!

[@baksatibi]

Ricciardo moved aside multiple times in the first half of the season without question, he even compromised his race in Zandvoort to help Lando's. He totally deserved this even if his teammate was quicker. At the end of the race Lando didn't sound disappointed with P2, he knows his time will come.

[@simsidhu1596]

@@baksatibi Totally agree - they both got their podiums on merit. I think on pace during the race they were either equal or Ricciardo a little faster. Hopefully - decent quali times in Russia, ahead of the ferrari's and we keep our lead.

[@cdfraser]

When Tommy said that most drivers will get out of the way when they see max coming round the outside I think that’s the issue. Max just expects them to get out the way which Hamilton isn’t going to do. Even though it was a racing incident Max needs to learn to sometimes just back out

[@minimead368]

I was of the opinion, it was a fair move to try by Verstappen until I listen to this podcast that had a professional driver commenting on the incident, which changed my mind where I now think the move was never on and he deliberately kept his nose in, in a Senna type “if you don’t leave me room, we will crash!” kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbXppqagNWiaqM

[@Barcaholiic]

Tommy saying both drivers won’t give each-other an inch, but HAM have backed down three times this season alone to avoid a crash with Max, Max never did that. “Move or we’ll crash” is his strategy.

[@4ntoCatch]

Max will lose the champs if he doesnt change

[@adityamcis]

Tommy sucker for crashtrappen

[@xmari3goldx]

Tommy’s a Crashtappen stan. What do you expect? 🤷‍♂️

[@ericokurowski]

Hamilton has also punted 3 Reb Bulls in the past two years.

[@waverod9275]

The difficulty with the sprint race qualifying is figuring out what the point of it is. By using it to set the grid, it affects the race in ways that feel so unnatural. But if there's nothing to be gained by it, then you'd see the cars just go ultra-cautious, because there's nothing to gain by winning or even passing, but there's much to lose by wrecking.

[@leo63037]

In my opinion it should be an independent race that can’t be affected from the qualifying nor affect the actual race.

[@waverod9275]

@@leo63037 as long as they pay meaningful points, that's fine. If it's just like the current setup but irrelevant to the main event, then no one will bother actually competing.

[@TheLOMTONG]

The point is to bring in more attention and views, it's literally the definition of a gimmick.

[@isaacjames5870]

@@TheLOMTONG its working, i quite enjoy having an event (other than practice) on friday saturday and sunday

[@sbinotto3780]

You could give it the old points formal where the winner gets 10 points, second gets 8, 3rd gets 6 and so on till 6th and it doesnt set the race order Further, it could be reverse grid like in f2

[@arvindwee4634]

Horner saying it's a racing incident just says everything, if he believed that Lewis was at fault even a little bit, then he would have aggressively gone after Lewis. He didn't, and it says a lot.

[@NewBoy0606]

You are punishing people for trying to be as unbiased as possible though

[@TheHidalgo99]

It only says that Red Bulls' result was already ruined by the stop and they didn't really care that Max' race came to an end there since Lewis race did too. It is simply stupid to look at RBs reaction to determine who is to blame. Look at the incident and nothing else.

[@arvindwee4634]

I never blamed Max, this was for the people who were saying that Lewis should have given him more space or if he was partially at fault. Nope he wasn't and Red Bull knew he wasn't and hence they didn't push for anything.

[@0okyo]

Toto Wolff said the same at Silverstone. So that said a lot too with this logic.

[@bourkey07]

All this theoretical talk about Lando being faster and possible team orders... Did noone see who set the fastest lap on the last lap of the race on old tyres? Clearly the pace he was running was tyre management. I mean, he went over a second quicker on the last lap, than the pace they were running when bottas was coming through to the top 4.

[@Frogget666]

Yeah I don’t understand either. Then he picked up the pace and lando dropped to over a second gap. I think people have been smoking the devils lettuce.

[@prahardarji6147]

Lando even got the tow from daniel in qualifying and he was just one tenth ahead and daniel was faster at monza there is no doubt in that. But lando was also good defending against hamilton in both sprint and main race.

[@criccode2993]

Lando also tried for the fastest lap on the last lap and was only 2tenths down

[@Frogget666]

2/10ths down with a fresher set of shoes on his car.

[@peach1681]

lando wasn't pushing after they toldhim to keep the position

[@vivekbakki1023]

now my race weekend is officially over with this podcast

[@kuwaleetalukdar4129]

Yeahh same here. Was waiting for this

[@dishadhar7992]

Wait for the Mclaren unboxed ♥️

[@ayuandhira4464]

*AISURU.TOKYO/tokyo?[Making-love]* *(◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*18 years and over* 🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@yannickvaz694]

You should wait for McLaren's Unboxed video. This one is going to be an absolute banger.

[@ragnampizadread9037]

a podcast full of bullshit

[@cactusjax3779]

I get that Tommy is a Verstappen fan and that’s fine. But suggesting the FIA have done this to help Hamilton in the Championship. Really?!

[@Roeland666]

After Silverstone and the non-penalty I find this believable. Dont forget Bottas only getting 5 places for destroying 5!!! cars!!!!

[@cactusjax3779]

Both the penalty here and at Silverstone were harsh. Both racing incidents. To suggest that’s it’s been done to help a 7 time world champ win another, like he really needs it, is as I said in the original post, ridiculous. Tommy’s A big Max fan which is great, but it’s clouding his judgment a lot recently.

[@backoff1000]

@@Roeland666 totally agreed. FIA has been consistent in giving Merc favoritism. It can't be more obvious.

[@dmaharry7976]

If max is never going to back down and assume that he will continue to get away with it … surely that’ll mean more accidents involving him ?

[@Anvil35]

Might aswell hand the WDC to Hamilton then

[@merenwen4495]

And yet Lewis is the one who has been involved in at least 5 collisions in the last 2 years, in which he squeezed people of the track. Taking into account he was miles ahead last year and didn’t have to overtake many cars, that is almost impressive. You are right in saying Verstappen should learn to back out sometimes, but Lewis is no saint either.

[@nickmanhota324]

@@merenwen4495 obviously your not a real f1 fan, their are differences.

[@BunzingJeeper]

@@nickmanhota324 Yeah the difference being Max goes for gaps. Lewis sometimes just makes a mistake...

[@minimead368]

I was of the opinion, it was a fair move to try by Verstappen until I listen to this podcast that had a professional driver commenting on the incident, kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbXppqagNWiaqM

[@DGARedRaven]

At 1:11:53 - Yes, we *did* watch different races. Or you weren't paying attention. He is the reason Vettel had such a bad race to begin with.

[@benn8793]

True. I very often have the feeling that certain drivers can do whatever they want. For some reason, these people are very often biased...

[@joshuacorreia5600]

Botas gets 2 poles, goes from last to 3rd gets an A, you cant be giving him the same grade you gave to perez in france

[@saiyerugara9038]

Perez probably deserves an A- for France and Bottas an A for Italy.

[@tensevo]

If you understand turn 1, the line Lewis took was pretty conventional. He wasn't "squeezing" Max. He was taking the racing line. It is the duty of the driver overtaking to go "off line", not the driver in front. The reverse was true at Silverstone, when Lewis came from behind, Max had the right to continue with the racing line.

[@TheHorseman0]

I get it. But you can't go to the racing line when somebody is on your left side. Into the corner he was i think more then the half of hamiltons car and hamilton knew verstappen was on his left side

[@Paul-zk2tn]

Well "technically" if you have an overtaking car "significantly" along side (which used to be defined as the front wing significantly alongside the rear axle, but no longer) then you have to leave a cars width which Hamilton definitely didnt. That said, it's a chicane and you just wouldn't do that. At Silverstone, Verstappen did leave a little more than a cars length on the inside but Hamilton went in a little too fast and also missed the apex.

[@ant0n13l]

@@TheHorseman0 the stewards said Hamilton was taking an avoiding line. He was very far away from apex because of what max was doing

[@minimead368]

I was of the opinion, it was a fair move to try by Verstappen until I listen to this podcast that had a professional driver commenting on the incident, now looking back, I’m of the opinion it was Max’s fault by a long way. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbXppqagNWiaqM

[@MrTwers]

@@minimead368 maby look at the video of driver61 also a racingdriver. He has a different view, witch I agree with.

[@bertwasalmost]

I swear these guys would have called Jerez '97 a "racing incident" if it was max.

[@B-kl8vj]

Like most KZbinrs, they don’t want to lose Max fanatics.

[@minimead368]

@@B-kl8vj I was of the opinion, it was a fair move to try by Verstappen until I listen to this podcast that had a professional driver commenting on the incident, kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbXppqagNWiaqM

[@tensevo]

The problem Max has, is he has a "win at all cost" strategy, and that means, you end up crashing a lot.

[@tensevo]

Also, there is more to the sport than winning. What makes a GOAT is somebody who knows when to take risks and when to back off. If you are always risk taking, you just become a liability.

[@MassEffect1988]

I mean some of the best drivers ever have been a win at all costs attitude, Michael Schumacher being one 👍 I don't think Verstappen will win a championship unless he has a win at all cost attitude

[@117JamesRoss]

But Lewis trying to come up the inside at Silverstone, while barely having his front wheels even with Max's rear is just good, clean, responsible racing...

[@jasperschlief]

@@117JamesRoss Just a great driver he always knows when to back out 👍🏻

[@derekverts394]

Max only makes that overtake if Lewis pulls out. I see it as a racing incident, but Max is more at fault.

[@FirestormX9]

it was 'raving' for sure xD

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@FirestormX9 XD

[@DannySB991]

Yeah this is my take as well. Like Tommy says the move was on, but I think Max was too hot headed at that moment and didn't really think about it. He just sent it and hoped Lewis would give him room.

[@oj_furrylover8484]

Ye it's more max 60/40 ham. Both driver are at fault but it's more on max when too ham in turn 2

[@minimead368]

I was of the opinion, it was a fair move to try by Verstappen until I listen to this podcast that had a professional driver commenting on the incident, now I’m of the complete opposite opinion reviewing it back. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbXppqagNWiaqM

[@keithherbert1980]

I think your justification that oh well that is what Max does and that is how he is quite weak. Max's expectation that everyone else should back out of the way and let him passed, and if they don't it's a crash and the other drivers fault is Bull. I think this Penalty might be the begin of the FIA saying that is not the way this is going to work. Hamilton clearly has said that if Max is going to push then he will push back. Hamilton for a while has backed out and took a longer view of taking a loss on a minor battle to win the war, but now those minor battles are adding up so he has to take the fight back to Max.

[@JacopoBasanisi]

Oh god finally someone sees that. Max is that way since day1, and made a lot of damage. This couple of years Liberty made him the main character to elevate the appeal for Usa audience, and to offer something different from Mercedes domination. Max races like he's playing a videogame, and everyone is supposed to get out of the way. I'm a Ferrari supporter, so I'm not happy with either of those two winning, but at least Lewis lives his stardom in a safe way

[@Zachary_McLaren]

Well next year if the McLaren and Ferrari are up there and Max has to fight with Leclerc, Lando, Lewis and George for wins and the championship. Dude is gonna crash a lot more. If he doesn't win this year, he's never gonna win a WDC.

[@jasonuk8333]

Indeed. Hamilton backed out and drove over the kerbs to avoid a crash with Verstappen earlier in the race at the Variante della Roggia. If he hadn't he would have been at fault in that situation. Verstappen has a Senna-like attitude where he expects everyone else to move aside for him if they don't want to crash, and Hamilton, in the incident where they crashed, held station as Verstappen did earlier. The difference is that Verstappen didn't take the avoiding action that Hamilton did in the earlier incident. I hope someone at Red Bull takes him aside and tells him to wise up, as his attitude may cost him the championship, and them the constructor's championship.

[@jasperschlief]

Ik have a feeling you guys are primairly #blessed fans, so no need to get in to a discussing where neither of is Will conceive a point

[@jasonuk8333]

​@@jasperschlief What is a #blessed fan?

[@andrewyanowsky7219]

RBR doesn't care about the grid penalty because they are already planning on changing his PU

[@kityhawk2000]

Even better for Hamilton then. We've already seen how tough it is to pass at Russia in previous years and overtaking looks even worse this year so it could be a real struggle for Max to come through the field even with a new engine

[@davey2487]

Exactly. This will essentially remove the whole effect of the grid penalty, because he'll have to start at the back. And because overtaking is hard at Sochi, it's a good place to serve this penalty, considering the fact that he's already got one. He could also maybe get lucky and profit from a (virtual) safety car if a crash happens. Almost every F1 race at Sochi has seen at least one (virtual) safetycar.

[@sbinotto3780]

@@davey2487 vsc doesnt really help you if you cant get a free pit stop

[@davey2487]

@@sbinotto3780 Relatively speaking a driver losses less time/places when doing a pitstop during vsc, on the condition that everybody else or most other drivers don't pit as well. So if Verstappen goes long on his first stint and the vsc happens when all/most other drivers have already made their pitstop, he will profit from it. He'll probably go with the hard compound and go long, to make up as much time as possible while the drivers in front of him are going into the pits. This gives him free air and enables him to drive a lot faster then he'd be able to with all those cars in front of him.

[@emiel1206]

@@kityhawk2000 tough to pass in russia? In 2018 max went from p19 to p5 in 7 laps. Russia definitely is one of the best races to take the engine penalty.

[@kityhawk2000]

Judging from Redbull's muted reaponse it seems liked even they think it was more Max's fault. I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing statements a lot like those from Silverstone if they genuinely believed Max was the innocent party.

[@ttrracing3866]

This penalty makes me think that it was not because of the incident itself. It was more for the pattern that is starting to be visible more and more. It is almost impossible to race wheel to wheel againgst max. It is accident or the other person gives way. Doesn't matter if it is max' right or not, if the other one doesn't back down, they will crash. In my opinion this is what they have penalised. Eventhough they can't say it on paper

[@onctaaf]

13:55 I thought the outcome doesnt matter when awarding penalties? I mean, after all that’s what everyone including you guys were ranting about. “the fact that 1 car couldn’t continue shouldn’t affect the penalty”. I’m pretty sure you even made a whole video out of that point.

[@Sk-gb9um]

dude they are british lol ...they probably had a heartattack

[@andrewjaggers5890]

Well you can't penalise someone who DNFs with a time penalty. So they're saying that he needs to be penalised with a grid penalty for next race rather than a time penalty in the current race

[@lolumo]

How dare a Dutch nobody try to race British royalty

[@nickmanhota324]

@@lolumo shut up

[@lolumo]

@@nickmanhota324 nice manners, no reply needed from my end

[@TheBenji800]

Raikonnen for permanent driver steward, every incident would just be shrug and "eh"

[@nkusters]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Bassic27]

Horner and Toto walking up to the stewards’ office. Kimi: « Leave me alone I know what to do! »

[@zooski1516]

Or “bwaaaaaaaa”

[@stevemcrichards8768]

Yes!

[@Sebastian_Torr]

He is already very incompetent as a driver. We don't want more of that in deciding penalties and championships.

[@Oddisee3000]

the proof is red bull’s response… if it was actually 50/50 or lewis’s fault then they would be complaining and trying to put it all on lewis… they fact they said it was a racing incident and are not protesting it proves it’s was max’s fault and they just can’t admit it

[@TheHidalgo99]

Their respond is totally irrelevant. What kind of deeply flawed logic is it to say "oh you didn't complain a lot, then I know for certain it's Max fault!" Look at the incident, analyze what happened, then judge it accordingly. Fuck outta here with that I judge it by RBs reaction.

[@mardocOz]

@@TheHidalgo99 OK. Move was never on, Verstappen entirely at fault, deserved more than 3 place penalty. And Red Bull know it.

[@zacharysylvester8349]

Or we could just review the incident itself.

[@oOGuArdeRKilVOo]

The penalty is irrelevant to them. If they're going to take engine penalty anyway why would they bother appealing and wasting resource and time

[@Oddisee3000]

@@TheHidalgo99 yea their response to a crash with their biggest rival is irrelevant LMAO because horner and red bull don’t complain about Literally every mercedes does …. how is max so adamant that its lewis’s fault when his own team don’t feel the same and even accepted this penalty

[@michaela5430]

"Verstubborn" okay that was pretty neat. Only slightly impressed 👍

[@HoopleHeadUSA]

So stoked for my boy Lando 🧡 as well as Danny Ric and McLaren 🧡🧡 What a weekend! Insane. +1 for a 100 episode Drive to Survive season

[@disabledsean559]

It would be nice to see DTS go in race order and not jump around

[@fcventer8981]

Honestly you guys make Monday so much better. 🙏🏼

[@ayuandhira4464]

*AISURU.TOKYO/tokyo?[Making-love]* *(◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*18 years and over* 🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@callumjb7668]

facts

[@timkotze5041]

I've been waiting the whole day for this!

[@ayuandhira4464]

*AISURU.TOKYO/tokyo?[Making-love]* *(◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*18 years and over* 🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@lunardestruction]

Tommy, " max didn't hit the sausage curb, I saww his rear tire from the onboard" Not sure that's possible mate, u mite want to use the evidence that's actually visible

[@lolumo]

Just more anti-Max propaganda by yet another Brit, nothing new here

[@BunzingJeeper]

You know there is also a view to the back of the car?

[@lolumo]

How about seeing that he did actually hit the curb and sausage curbs are notorious for making cars bounce

[@naheelsiddiqui8437]

@@lolumo why did he hit the kerb when he had such a big run off right beside him is he blind 😂

[@huplim]

McLaren boys are buzzing! Glad to see Danny and Lando on the podium! Zak Brown's leadership is shining through!

[@sbinotto3780]

You mean seidel?

[@StinkyCheeseYodeler]

@@sbinotto3780 Both.

[@caproductivity8463]

I love danny ric and lando both individually and as teammates!.....if the regulations next year reduce the gap between the mercs, red bull and mclaren, both of them will win surely at least one championship..... proud of the honey badger:)

[@ayuandhira4464]

*AISURU.TOKYO/tokyo?[Making-love]* *(◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*18 years and over* 🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@kinnexion]

Unfortunately Danny will never win a championship now. The competition is too tough and the young talent that is much better than him is just too great for him to beat them to the championship

[@akshitbansal8224]

@@kinnexion *Lewis Hamilton has entered the chat*

[@firatyesil]

why everybody ignores the fact that max needs to chill out. every single time they came close either lewis backed out, or they crashed. the guy needs to learn about risk and reward.

[@kityhawk2000]

Clearly Max is very talented and seems pretty chill when not in a car. But when he is in the car he seems to have a hell a temper when things don't go his way. I suspect he was still super angry about that pitstop and allowed his frustration to cloud his judgment in attempting a move that had a 1 in 100 chance of working.

[@annojance]

Silverstone? Hamilton was given enough space to go on the inside of Verstappen, but Hamilton decided to dive into him.

[@Formula1bliz]

You are clearly a Hamilton fan, because this is BS

[@recipoldinasty]

Cus max aint a pssy like u hehe

[@geraldjacobs7824]

I think Katy's (spelling?) "rants" are always really informative and really interesting, for the record. Also, I think that was a racing incident clean and simple. Great clean win from Ric. Decent Ferrari performance at home, given their cars.

[@Robalexe]

The spelling is literally in the top left corner, it shouldn't be a "?"

[@aleximraypapineau]

Excuse me, can we talk MORE about Norris' move on Leclerc? They mentioned it for like, a second, but THAT WAS AN INSANE MOVE! When I saw him kick up the dirt I literally thought he was about to spin out and my heart dropped. Instead he overtook a Ferrari! WHAT!?

[@Oddisee3000]

Tommy “Max was never going to give it up” Matt “Was more Max’s fault “ Both “ he needs to change “ = Racing incident? If you know that no matter what Max is going to send it than it is undoubtedly his fault…. you do know he could have just cut the comer like his teammate did later in the race lmao

[@LukeolasPlays]

This confused me as well to be fair. And arguing the pen is harsh yet listing those points, surly the pen is needed to stamp that behaviour our of Max or he will never think he is in the wrong, and all three deemed him to need to curb that aggression somewhat.

[@jasperschlief]

@@LukeolasPlays he is Just braking late and going for a move, you don't wanna see racing go watch cricket but come on m8

[@Oddisee3000]

@@jasperschlief i agree to a certain extent, max knew he was never going to make it and Everyone knows that he won’t back out…. has had a history of being aggressive even before lewis, i love his racing and he will be a world champion but he has to give it both ways and not always be the aggressor

[@Oddisee3000]

@@LukeolasPlays considering the championship as well i think the penalty is warranted… lewis was looking in perfect position to take that race home considering max’s long stop…. and this was a mercedes track so in the end it was more lost point for lewis than for max

[@ant0n13l]

They are very biased towards max on this podcast.

[@hannahreimer7478]

Thanks for your F1 content! I really enjoy listening to you 🙌

[@susanalomeli4774]

Loving the long podcast videos😁

[@Sem5626]

i'm with katy, i'm the biggest danny ric fan out there but bottas surely deserves driver of the day driver of the weekend, he would have easily cleaned out the weekend without that penalty

[@benn8793]

7:00 I have to disagree. There would have been no chance for Max if he had just driven straight ahead. The Mercedes was clearly the faster car in Monza. Hamilton would have easily pulled away from Max. So he had to try it in that corner.

[@flatironnewyork]

I'm a new F1 fan and just found this channel, which is informative and hilarious. Don't apologize for your "rants" Katy - you make excellent, balanced points!

[@paulmunster212]

Sounds more like Auntie Mabel to me. It’s the F1 podcast version of Benny Hill.

[@rick-potts]

Katy: "promise this isnt a rant" Katy: Rant. Well done for spotting the Max walks onto track bit. Can you imagine if Hamilton (in a vain attempt to get out of the trap) had spun his wheels up and fired gravel at him at 100 mph....One of those things that has been inexplicably missed.

[@colemadonna6284]

I noticed that immediately watching the race. Why would Max walk across and active track like that? I know the race was “neutralized” by the safety car, but even at 60% speed an f1 car still flies and as you said Hamilton was attempting to get out of that situation. I thought that showed horrible situational awareness by Max and terrible marshaling. Why on earth did they let him walk across the track like that?

[@vincentras1991]

What about Lewis still trying to pull out and Max getting out the car. What if he succeeded and Max was stepping out with a 1000 kilos coming right after him.

[@colemadonna6284]

@Jeffry Chen I'm not saying the marshals should have physically stopped Max, but also marshals absolutely do go on the track to collect debris and what not, but they are in communication with race control and know when it is safe to do so (mostly).

[@J_Rodriguez27]

If the TBC weekend is filled, there will be 237 points available, so Mazepin can still mathematically win the championship

[@mayanksharma5478]

They simply ignored the fact that Ocon served 5 sec penalty and still finished within 4 sec of Alonso, and gave Alonso a 'B' and Ocon a 'C'.

[@quak6019]

Tell Ocon not to push others of the track.

[@mayanksharma5478]

@@quak6019 seb was not off track. His right wheel was on curb. Infact, Charles pushed Lewis off track in 2019 and was given warning. Here Ocon got penalty straight away.

[@dave7573]

You know there was a Safety car right? Alonso an A and Ocon a C

[@mayanksharma5478]

@@dave7573 you loose 5 seconds whether SC is out or not because everyone was pitting. That's why he end up behind both Williams.

[@Clipsofracing]

All I’m saying is that move was never on, if you’re still behind the driver after turn 1 it’s not your corner into turn 2 so if that door is closing you back out.

[@alvankimutai5919]

thank you....i don't get why people aren't saying this...the move was never on...yes he has space but he knows Every driver knows if you try to overtake you hitting the sausage kerb

[@ericokurowski]

Nonsense, it’s called out breaking and it’s done all the time.

[@alvankimutai5919]

@@ericokurowski Outbreaking on a chicane...yeah tell me when it's been done exactly... especially on sausage kerbs...every driver knows if you hit the sausage kerb you car is flying

[@Vortex_Gam1ng66]

6:20am got a cuppa & watching this is a good start to the day

[@CJ2by4]

Katie Brought up a great saftey point about Max walking on the track. that wasnt great.

[@jxsh9887]

Yes! Wasn’t lewis trying to reverse out while Verstappen was walking behind his car too!? Such a dodgy moment.

[@CarpetDiem]

I saw that and thought he was trying to make Hamilton give up. I know that's a stretch but definitely a sketchy move.

[@Raven-Creations]

As a fan of both Max and Lewis, I can't accept the "racing incident" line. Max was never ahead, not even close, and the rules say he has to give way, and he knows this from earlier in the season. At no point was there a hope in hell that he'd pull off the move, because Lewis's car was pointing straight at the second apex and there's no way he could have left more room, given the speed he was doing. I don't buy the argument that Max would have an opportunity later either. The Red Bull pace was no match for Mercedes on the day. Max knew that if Lewis got ahead, he was almost certainly staying there. He was angry that the pitstop put him in that position, and he was damned if Lewis was going to beat him. If it hadn't been for the halo, Lewis might be quadriplegic now. Even with the halo, he's lucky not to have suffered spinal compression. Don't get me wrong, I want close battles, but Max had the opportunity (and has the mental capacity to do the calculation) to take the safe option, rather than the one which was 100% guaranteed to take them both out. I think that his penalty, which could have been much worse, reflects the desire not to kill the racing.

[@liadupuis9265]

I could not agree more! We've been on the front row at that chicane in Monza and our instant reaction was like "wow Max bumped directly into Lewis!". He was clearly too optimistic with his move.

[@jakecowley5726]

Hit the nail on the head.

[@zackt115]

So Silverstone round 2

[@mustavogaia2655]

the best part is that everything that happens to or between HAM and VER will be either: an racing incident, a piece of a larger conspiracy or an attempted murder. No space for nuance.

[@Luka-hc4de]

The attempted murder accusations make me laugh so much

[@A.babygirl4life]

love eeeeet

[@devratnasari]

Bottas is A* in my heart ❤

[@flessuh]

The exact opposite could have happened on the first lap.. only difference is Hamilton did not hit the high kerbs under an angle and did not got launched hard

[@minimead368]

I was of the opinion, it was a fair move to try by Verstappen until I listen to this podcast that had a professional driver commenting on the incident, kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbXppqagNWiaqM

[@selder_7]

Now that he’s not in the way of Russell going to Merc, I really enjoyed Bottas this weekend

[@thelonesculler]

Given this didn't get uploaded until 7:15, how long were you recording???

[@nationharris]

I genuinely lold when frank yawned and saw Matt's face

[@garethhope7140]

Read the Steward's report, and I think the Max penalty is fair (you've a right to disagree). I think talk of the Steward's "balancing the books" is dangerous, and would push you towards the conspiracy camp Tommy I'm afraid. Watch the replay of the incident and Max barely has his front tyres alongside Hamilton's car by the time he starts turning in...

[@danonthestrings]

2 points: 1. Valtteri is lowkey shithousing the rest of his Merc season and I’m here for it 2. Racing incident, we move.

[@arielleshahar8453]

I LOVE HOW LONG THIS IS AAAA

[@Bram2993]

I understand Matty saying Max is in need of an adjustment of mindset and I generally agree, but I don't think this incident was part of any mindset and was just fueled by how frustrated he was after that pitstop (and horrendous timing of it)

[@Joe-po8rx]

Max hasn't yet learned the benefit of yielding. He is a seriously exceptional driver, has become more mature, but in the years yet to come he will learn to pick his battles.

[@thecaptain5026]

I cringe at people from the outside (all of us basically) talking about F1 drivers needing to adjusting their mindset. Who are we to judge.

[@CarpetDiem]

Katy always brings great points that other people haven't thought of. And so much research to back it up! Honestly some of my favorite commentary.

[@paulmunster212]

If you’re a moaning Minnie.

[@frankthetank130]

Tommy should at least try or put on the appearance of not being biased lol. This dude isnt even trying.

[@suporteru21romania]

Hamilton - Verstappen incident is a carbon copy of Hamilton - Maldonado incident in Europe 2012 GP. Same type of corner, same approach from both drivers, almost the same results penalty wise.

[@jasperschlief]

Same BS Maldonado didn't deserve a penalty there its Just cause of his reputation and the english bias that he got one

[@rainman6090]

I've seen this take a few times and I don't get it. Maldonado entered from off track. That changes everything. The penalty becomes "rejoining the track in an unsafe manner."

[@benn8793]

@@jasperschlief Lewis Hamilton signature move...

[@canihave1dab724]

Katy, great point about max walking on track. I was yelling the same thing at the TV. I’m a max fan but that was just idiotic and dangerous.

[@lawbringer9857]

No Katy makes so many stupid points. Don't praise her.

[@colenewton5183]

I think Max knew fine well that if he gave up that corner, he wouldn’t be able to get Lewis again on track. He knew he’d gain points over him. Also Max even said “that's what happens when you don’t leave me space”. With max it’s either yield or crash

[@floriskoop1737]

Ha, nice how you changed the quote of max. He did not say “…when you don’t leave ME space”, he said “A space”. Dont make it look like max is deliberately crashing.

[@room2162]

@@floriskoop1737 Umm so let me get this straight... You think Max's omission of ME changes the fact that he was not talking about himself. You do realized had Max's tire had been spinning... it is quite possible Hamilton would have been hurt very badly right? Max may have omitted ME... but he was talking about what happens when you don't leave a torpedo space.

[@floriskoop1737]

​@@room2162 Well, if he said ...leave ME space... he could be seen as somewhat arrogant and maybe even narcissistic. I think that's unfair and trying to frame Max. He said "leave A space". By that I believe he means that when you squeeze someone as bad as LH did at the chicane, chances are that they collide. Max COULD have backed out and cut the chicane, but that would mean his overtake would be seen as illegal and he should have given the position back, making his chances to overtake Lewis later on very small. Because of that, he wanted to stick to his overtake, which was aggressive but totally fair. He had fresh and warm tyres, better grip, and used it to brake and turn the car in a very efficient way through Turn 1 to end up on the inside of Turn 2. The fact that Hamilton squeezed him so much, caused him to run over the sausage kerb, launching his Redbull into Lewis' car. (If anything, that shows that the artificial track limits (sausage kerbs launching cars (F3 crash of some years ago at parabolica?), runoff enabling drivers to continue without consequences, of most of the tracks of today are a joke. Just look at the natural track limits of Zandvoort; when you go over the limit, you end up in the grass or gravel and you are slower. Or you completely lose the car and crash into the barrier. That's how a track should be. Rewarding when being on the limit, punishing when over the limit.) Motorsport is dangerous. Max didn't mean to hit Lewis in the first place, let alone hitting him in the head with his right wheel. (What are the chances) You might not like one of them but the fact is, Max and Lewis belong to the greatest drivers of all time. They do things with those cars on the limit, others simply can't. They don't give each other an inch on track, which is great to watch for us as spectators. I love the fact that the safety of the sport is as good as it is, because that enables the drivers of today to race on the limit. That's what happened, no one got hurt. IMHO it's a racing incident, let's move on.

[@room2162]

@@floriskoop1737 Hi there, So if we reverse your testimony and look at it from max's pov... then we could say Max forced Sir Lewis Hamilton hold his ground. I suspect If I search hard enough I could find your comment from Silverstone. I am pretty sure you did not write that Max squeezed Sir Lewis too hard which cause Max to DNF. Here is the thing. Early in this race Max forced Sir Lewis off the track and they both kept racing because Sir Lewis had some where to go as we was being squeezed as you stated. . In this case where Max took them both out the race... Max had a place to go but decided to do something stupid and ended up nearly killing Lewis and ruin both of their races.. Max was not squeezed Max was giving only one option but he decided to take both of them out of the race. Only One of these two drivers is a fair and clean driver. The other is a torpedo. This is what happens when you don't leave the space in your head to make good choices.

[@tylersimmons6524]

I appreciate all your opinions. Tommy, I think you need to watch the incident again with a more objective lens. There was not room, there wasn't a gap, that is why Max hit the sausage kerb, because he had to go that low to not hit Lewis. As an impartial observer, Max was predominately at fault. I think the grid place penalty is harsh, but I thought the 10 second penalty for Lewis was harsh also. I think they are both racing incidents with Max about 60% at fault for both. Not enough to penalize, but enough that he should have been the one taking action to avoid both collisions. As the driver with the faster car most weekends, he needs to be more calculating in his risk taking.

[@karthikcmohanyt]

How is Max more at fault at silverstone? And the Mercs were way faster in imola.

[@tylersimmons6524]

@@karthikcmohanyt Because at corner entry Lewis was along side. Which means he dictates where they apex. He was about a car width off the apex, so he takes some of the blame for missing his entry; but it is on the car on the outside at that point to give the space to avoid a collision. Had Max given more room, he would have been ahead by the apex and had control of the corner through corner exit. But Max chose to turn in on a line that would cause a collision unless Lewis was on the absolute ideal line. Had Lewis not been so far alongside, Max would have been okay to turn in and Lewis would have been 100% the cause. In both instances, I believe the FIA allowed the result of the incident color the punishment decision. I don't think either warranted a penalty, much less the equivalent of a 10 sec penalty in both instances.

[@illdeletethismusic]

@@tylersimmons6524 At Silverstone Hamilton was far enough behind that a line which could make the corner on his own wouldn"t have had any overlap with Verstappen. Instead, he missed the apex and took a line straight into the rear of his opponent, the same way he usually wrecks his opponents. Considering how skilled a driver a multiple times champion has to be, and how many of his collisions have happened in exactly that manner it is clear the Silverstone collision was a deliberate wreck.

[@robertclark9623]

In my opinion, Max had a chance to avoid a crash, with the speed difference he came from a long way back, into turn 1 it was a fair challenge, he wasn't ahead at any point, it's time to bump over the chicane and have another go later on. Further more it seems when Lewis backs off there isn't a crash, when he doesn't there is.

[@jasperschlief]

Hamilton could've also Just not closed the door you know bot could've done better and we wouldn't be in the predicament we are now in

[@Michael-009]

@@jasperschlief he’s a racing driver, if he’s ahead he’s not just going up because the other driver took a dive. Max never gives an inch when it’s him defending, he can’t expect other drivers to give him space when he won’t give the same respect to other drivers.

[@trousers2]

​@@Michael-009 All of these comments just prove it's a racing incident. Max could have not gone for a risky move, Hamilton could have left a car's width instead of pushing him onto the sausage curbs. Neither did, both crashed, racing incident.

[@Michael-009]

@@trousers2 whilst I agreed it’s a racing incident we also need to consider that Max had multiple options to avoid the contact, Hamilton had one which involved Max taking his place. I’m looking at this incident in relation to Hungary, Alonso shut the door so many times and fans praised him for blocking Hamilton. Hamilton waited and made the move when he could. In this case we have Hamilton shutting the door once and it ending in a crash, why is it ok for one driver to shut the door and the other not, why is one driver expected to wait 11 laps to make his move work when the other can’t wait for 2 corners? That’s what I struggle with accepting in Max’s driving style, this expectation that there will always be room for him but he can’t give it either. I would find it a lot easier to defend Max if there was some give and take but if I’m honest I can’t think of any scenarios where Max left an inch of room available to another driver when he needed to defend.

[@harikaushik]

@@Michael-009 rightly put. Any right headed person can't get behind a bully tbh.

[@lyleclarke619]

*Katy gets out her notebook* Ted Kravitz: "Hello, what have we here?" 😏

[@Wuu123]

At 2:13, Katy does a finger wag and we transition from the intro into the Verstappen/Hamilton situation. Don’t know if that was by design or coincidental but that was ace!

[@thefirethefire9131]

I feel like it's a racing incident, just like it was in Silverstone but just like in Silverstone I feel like the punishment is acceptable. Verstappen needs a slap on the wrist, he can't complain about space when he literally gives none. Hopefully he learns. But he was unlucky on how the car behaved and ended up on top of Lewis. His attitude post accident, not caring at all to check on Hamilton plus the comment is kinda of disappointing.

[@callumjb7668]

Verstappen will never learn

[@edijzerman5880]

@@callumjb7668 so do you

[@MrPresident1878]

Yelling “that’s what you get” and storming off without checking in on dude is classless behavior from a guy who got mad his championship rival was celebrating a win while he was in hospital (mind you said rival legit asked if you was okay after the crash). Practice what you preach, Max.

[@callumjb7668]

@@edijzerman5880 makes no sense

[@thefirethefire9131]

@@MrPresident1878 Red Bull are the "Karens" of F1 but on this case I don't want to be too hard on Max because that was in the heat of the moment. He's 23 yo, there's still hope.

[@jamescosgrove6680]

Haha Tommy's prediction on what the Drive To Survive ep for Monza will be like was classic.

[@Lyuze]

Matt... Please... PLEASE do some gain staging with that yeti. You peaked for a large portion of the podcast, its especially egregious in the first few minutes. You could try to turn the gain up as much as you can without room noise and without peaking (you could aim for -6db peak during speech WITHOUT clipping) and place the mic further away, it sounds like your plosives are especially bad. Having your pop filter not literally touching your mic can also help.

[@aprilkurtz1589]

The only thing that made me yell louder and dance around my living room more was when Kimi-Matias won at COTA.

[@danielmorton9003]

Pretty disingenuous to say no one wants to back out when Lewis has shown not only in this race but throughout the season that he is in fact willing to back out bar two occasions. Its simply a matter of maturity and Verstappen is lacking in that department.

[@luvsracin87]

I'm a Max fan boy......but really this was as much of a racing incident as Silverstone was. There wasn't a sausage curb there to bump him back into Lewis they probably wouldn't have crashed and we all would have been s******* ourselves at the close wheel to wheel racing

[@hannahlundbergsmith796]

Love the spice!

[@vgrin7307]

Frank's yawning has to be the best thing about the whole podcast 😂😂

[@googleaccount3286]

About the Damon Hill comments that "Max crashed on purpose" but those same comments were immediately stopped for Lewis in Silverstone.. I feel like the F1 world is heavily biased towards brittish drivers as the majority of the people working for F1 are Brits. Same can be said for Lando, Brundle doesn't stop praising him when he makes mistakes saying that "he is learning, killer instinct, he crashed because he learns, blablabla." And when another driver makes the same thing, oh he's just bad init

[@johnparisi3424]

It’s so refreshing to see another person with this perspective. F1 is heavily British biased and its a shame really.

[@Warhaawk]

My way of thinking with F1 is that so much of the sport is based in Britain, from the teams to the coverage, especially for an english speaking fan, that there's bound to be bias, even when it's not conscious or deliberate. So I take it all with a grain of salt and just enjoy.

[@sensmeggingsation90]

Sprints in its current form doesn't add anything. My thoughts if you want it to work try the traditional karting approach of 3 short heat races of random grid but average start position is the same for each driver works out the same over the 3 races. Grid is sorted by who does best over the 3 races. That way you have mixed up races but keeps the grand prix starting grid legit... or get rid of it all together.

[@Koganai96]

It was Mclaren’s first win since the Brazilian Grand Prix 2012. And Mclaren’s first 1-2 since 2010 Canadian Grand Prix.

[@Zander271]

Where can we purchase a Max cape???

[@michaelhatfield5808]

Agree to disagree. Max could've bailed left like Perez did earlier in the race on Leclerc. Instead, he chose to dive into the side of Hamilton. That says everything to me.

[@merenwen4495]

That wasn’t the same corner. Different circumstances. If you want to compare: Lewis and Norris gone side by side trough turn 1 and 2 after the start. Only that time Lewis did give Norris enough space to make the turn, and believe it or not, he came out ahead. So the squeezing with Verstappen was absolutely unnecessary. I am not saying Verstappen shouldn’t have backed out, but they were both to blame. It was a racing incident.

[@illdeletethismusic]

by the definition F1 uses Max was on track the whole time and he had the inside line into the second part of the chicane

[@Primenumber19]

Why does everyone forgive Max for a driving style designed around “we crash or you let me pass,”?

[@contiplays]

Tru

[@henrylinforth7756]

That’s literally how senna drove and people loved him and some say he is the best driver to live 🤷‍♂️

[@birren821]

Why does everyone hate the Max's drivingstyle when he hasn't picked up any points on his license for 2 years until now when others have like 8 or 6 points this season :s

[@contiplays]

@@birren821 eze explanation, Max is mostly battling Lewis and Ham had to avoid crash between those two like 3 times this year. That's why.

[@Primenumber19]

@@henrylinforth7756 until it killed him, which it was always going to do.

[@chrislakous5236]

Very thankful for the halo!!!! As well as WTF1, big big CONGRATULATIONS to Daniel !!!!!

[@LeCharles07]

Let's be real, with the escape road right there, it was a Verstappen incident.

[@TheFaldoran]

Katy is spot on re Max walking onto the track after the crash. First thing I thought when watching it live was that someone is going to go around turn 1 and collect him

[@lolumo]

That's just classic overreacting sports journalism, everybody walks on tracks post incident. It's under yellow flags and only for a few seconds while a driver is winded by accident, don't expect everybody to be a robot

[@contendedracer5861]

FIA has been horrific this season. It feels like every race since Austria we’ve been talking about the FIA

[@lolumo]

FIA seem too political to be respected. By fans, by teams, by everyone. Everything seems corrupt and quid pro quo

[@rezzybro9783]

This has been my favourite episode so far, was a great discussion at the start and hilarious at the end. Well done team

[@blueguy12345]

Tommy, please explain how the first lap incident with Max and Lewis is any different than the turn 1 incident ? They are exactly the same situation. 90 degree chicane after a high speed section. Exactly rhe same except one turns left/right and the other turns right/left...

[@pandoracle]

I was so relieved when I noticed people seemed to hold back in their 'lewis versus max' reactions on the Internet's best reactions video; I guess I cheered too soon... So many people 'feel' they are entitled to the monopoly on the truth, it's tedious and exhausting...

[@mohamedally1276]

Alonso gets elbows out - he's brilliant! Max ALWAYS sends it - that's just Max being Max Just let Lewis try and get elbows out... F1 gallery goes NUTS!!!

[@shivaanivenkat5005]

Absolutely Brilliant!

[@m.carrot7730]

It's not a surprise that Riccardo had that much pace at Monza. Ever since joining Renault, Riccardo has had great pace at the high power circuits. Canada, Silverstone, sakihr, spa and monza have been some of his best circuits. Hell he was even the rest of the rest at Muggello last year. Even this year, where he has struggled to integrate with the car, his best results have come at high power circuits, Baku, Silverstone, spa and now Monza.

[@Vepsis]

This Monza incident with Hamilton vs Verstappen was very similar to Imola first corner in the start. Back then it was Verstappen who squeezed out Hamilton, but didn't end up being a crash. Now it turned into a one when both aren't willing to give a inch anymore.

[@user-yl3pp8fy9w]

Imola didn't end up in a crash because Lewis was behind, if it was opposite the same as Monza would've happened.

[@tudoranghel4695]

Max: I hoped we're gonna hang it together nicely through the chicane... Also Max:...sends everyone off track when he has the inside line (Charles in Austria, Lewis in Imola and Monza)... I like the guy but what goes around comes around, mate...

[@vincentras1991]

You mean he is like Lewis who keeps punting off everybody in his way? Ask Rosberg and Albon (twice).

[@tudoranghel4695]

@@vincentras1991 With Albon were clearly mistakes. And with Rosberg...well...Nico started it. :)) Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Lewis is a saint. I'm just trying to underline the irony. Max is an aggressive driver but he expects to receive the respect which he's not giving. I'm not OK with that. Take a look at the last 2-3 years in F1. Every driver feud which involved Max, was started by Max through his attitude towards driving.

[@vincentras1991]

@@tudoranghel4695 sorry have to disagree. If Max was so aggressive he would have been penalized through the roof by now. He got his first penalty points in 3 years. Don’t mistake hard racing for making mistakes. I think Hamilton is not on his game this season and maybe the long Covid is having an effect on his judgment.

[@jmacd8817]

@@vincentras1991 um, they call the “don’t move while braking” rule the Verstappen rule for a reason. The only reason he doesn’t get more crashes and penalties is that most drivers give way to him because he is so aggressive. And Hamilton has decided to play the same game.

[@tudoranghel4695]

​@@vincentras1991 I don't think you understand my point. Max, Lewis and everyone else can race as hard as they want as long as it's fair. And if you don't race fair then don't complain about receiving the same treatment you give others. Lewis backed out of 3 moves Max did this year (Imola, Barcelona, Monza). Max didn't back down in any. And it resulted in two crashes. I'm not saying it's his fault, I'm saying that he needs to be aware of the mindset he's creating with other drivers racing him.

[@younisnassik6213]

I think that sometimes, we forget how dangerous f1 really is, without halo Lewis is dead period, halo does not justify dangerous driving and that's on both drivers so personally the penalty is correct.

[@4ntoCatch]

luckily Max didnt accelerate at that time

[@younisnassik6213]

Yeah

[@vincentras1991]

You mean like Silverstone this year where Max got punted off by Lewis.

[@younisnassik6213]

I mean that it's correct to penalise the two of them each time

[@henriquecoelho3100]

Don’t you know crashes outcome shouldn’t be dependent to award a penalty… the same was said in silverstone. Yes, without the halo that could have gone very badly but still

[@denegra]

Super happy for Ricciardo. Screamed so loud when he was doing the shoey.

[@anthonyschroeder521]

Giving Bottas only an A is so rough... If your distinction is literally only that there was one exact more move he could have made at the end of the race, jeopardizing his team's lead in the constructors championship... when all indications have been that the McLaren's are basically impossible to overtake (reminder that Danny put in a fastest lap at the end, they had more than enough pace in hand)... Com'on guys!

[@anthonyschroeder521]

Oh any neither crash was Gasly's fault and dude did everything he could for the weekend. **shrugs**