A Look At Dog Training Methods

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Going over the methods of "Traditional Training", "Alpha Training", "Master & Slave" & "Positive Reinforcement". What each are about, entail, why it's alluring, pro's and con's.
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[@tiaredancer]

Kristin: Really enjoyed your video, and I wish everyone had your mind set. I'm 63 years old, and back in the 1970s I competed in obedience with my Shelties and won HIT's with scores of 198 1/2. Back then of course all training was based on Positive Punishment and Negative Reinforcement. I did have a gentler approach than many trainers; for instance I never used an ear pinch to teach the retrieve. My training was based on Winnifred Strickland's methods. Thinking back, my Shelties did work with spirit, especially my CH Banchory Birth Right, CDX. However, when I tried the same training methods that were so successful with my Shelties on a Dobie and a Whippet they simply shut down. They learned to lag on the heeling pattern due to the choke chain pops. It was the 1970s and I shared my frustration with a veterinarian friend who worked at Sea World, San Diego. He shared it with the trainers there, and I was on the brink of learning a breakthrough but somehow the information wasn't exchanged or understood. Thinking back now, this was the basis of a lot of Positive Reinforcement i.e. training Dolphins. In the mid-1990s My German Shepherd, BISS CH Crystaridges Que Sera Sera, CD, TT, was high-scoring dog in Novice B when she earned her CD. I was still training with Positive Punishment. Weren't most of us? Well...I had her trained to a CDX and UD level. She loved the retrieve, the jumps, scent discrimination. But she shut down on the off leash heeling. The choke chain "pops" had conditioned her to lag. She was unhappy and I did not want to force her to do something she disliked (heeling). If only I'd known about Positive Reinforcement and Negative Punishment. It feels good to instead train with Positive Reinforcement. To form an relationship with your dog that is based on trust. To have your dog get excited and happy because you are starting a training session. Sadly, maybe because of today's culture with instant gratification (iPhone, the internet, etc.) people want instant success and have not learned how to have patience. One of the first things one learns in Web Design is to put pages together where one click will bring up information...too many clicks and the visitor gets frustrated and moves on to another Web site. In part I think this explains why a huge franchise in the US, that uses shock collars to teach, has become so popular. The owners of the dogs who like the results are blind to their dog's behavior after shock collar training: anxious, lip licking, dropped tail, nervous head turns, ears back; crouched body. Shockingly (no pun intended) this franchise is shocking dogs to learn a behavior before they even understand what is being asked of them. Shock collars have become so popular they are available at all pet supply outlets. Interesting how those who are pro shock collar have renamed them "e-collars". They work because they hurt. My girl, Hope, wears a buckle collar. She will never wear a choke, prong, or shock collar. Thank you for this opportunity to share my views.

[@marionmielke5054]

Have a look at Larry krohns ecollar training and you will see happy dogs. Just because some people abuse a tool, doesn't make the tool itself bad

[@georgias6992]

This is great!!!!! I love how almost all of these 'methods' have an pretty much identical version in horse training (with slightly different names) however you choose the one to train your dogs that I use for all of my pets, horses and dogs alike!😀 i think it's awesome that slowly more people are taking care of their animals needs! Have a great day, smile more and thank you for loving and caring for your dogs!!!

[@brittanycostello8824]

Thank you so much Kristin. You explained the subject beautifully and I have shared it with all of my current/future clients. I think it will help people understand more! Thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@chiararosati2162]

Great video, but I think nowdays lot of trainers mixes different techniques. For example I use marker training, so I say "no" when the dog does a mistake and "yes" when he does something good; even some people who use choke chain, e-collars or prong collars then reinforce their dogs with treats or toys. What Science says is very important (for this reason positive reinforcement has grown up), but in general it depends on your dog's character and what you are looking for in your relationship. Hope you understand, english isn't my first language :')

[@PawVlogs]

Non biased and nicely put. Finding a balanced way to work with your dog and build strong bond is the key. No point having a dog and get angry or upset all the time. Well said Kristin.

[@kenandsandyosmond7716]

Kris, thank's so much. This was really helpful. I am in my 70's and owned and trained my own personal horses for a lot of it. Just to let you know, there is, or was a CD called Spookless, which is to desensitize horses, who are reactive prey animals. I bought it for my 9 week old dachshund puppy, who is now 7 years, and during those formative months, had a playpen setup with his bed, toys, water, etc. I played everything on it, screaming kids, whips, tractors, etc. I played it on really low volume, and raised the volume over time; well, months. End of story, he is unafraid of the sound of just about anything, since he is pretty "spook-less." HaHa.

[@alanlee67]

Still I like your open mindedness. Much better than other "pure positive" trainers out there that are so righteous and holier than thou.

[@hmpetexpertcomportamentoca3231]

I think that the better method is the balance betwen positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement with a little bit of negative punishment. Thats the better configuration of training that i've ever notice works ok my dog clients. A little bit more of this, a little bit more of that, and so on. It depends on how the dog's temperament demands. The positive punishment I uses only after all of these interventions have failed on behavior correction, and in extreme cases of persistent behavior that puts the dog on high level risks. And this punishments are always applied in the remote form. When I applied the most balanced therms of +R, -R and -P, it don't needs tô use positive punishment at all. I think that be restricted to just an exclusive method don't work on most cases. We, as dog trainers must adapt ourselves to the situations and the dog's temperament needs.

[@U2RAWINNER]

thx again we love your help, and appreciate the time & effort you put into your videos

[@arielm.1041]

Positive methods are the best. I use the clicker, food, and toys to teach my little shelter mutt everything. She had a lot of issues and is getting better and better every day.

[@SheenaNeil]

Excellent video. Thank you so much for sharing. I enjoyed your passion and honesty.

[@GinnyEvergreen]

Here in the Netherlands I find that the positive reinforcement is getting really popular, but now a lot of people are taking the positivity to far. They allow the dog to do anything because it is 'abuse' to EVER correct your dog. I have been in situations wherein the safety of people and dogs where on the line because owners where not stepping in as they should. I love positive reinforcement, but there are also times that you should be able to tell your dog 'no, what you are about to do is not okay'. And I mean situations in which you cannot put your dog up for succes. Like when your dogs wants to chase a squirrel and blindly runs towards a busy road. It's okay to grab your dog by it's neck to get him out of that situation, because it's dangerous. Some people here are making it look like you can never ever touch your dog in a negative way because that automatically means abuse, but I think that is wrong. Again, positive reinforcement is realllyy good! But it doesn't mean the rest is always automatically bad... (Not saying that you are saying it is, just wanted to tell you how it is here)

[@cortesislandvacation]

Excellent video, thanks for making it. Ethics - exactly. I used positive reinforcement training with my sweet pup and she's the most delightful, obedient, happy, and well mannered dog going now. It did take a lot of time at the beginning and it was a steep learning curve... But at the end of the day we have a great relationship and she has a great life - She goes with us everywhere. :)

[@Krissykris1468]

that's awesome. It really is a little hard work in the beginning for years of having an amazing companion.

[@Daniel-nt3zu]

Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

[@gamma1.617]

I love watching video content of such quality. Keep them coming for 2017!

[@pingannz]

I think it's a lovely overview, very helpful and resonates with people who are into dog training and building great relationships with the dogs.

[@Krissykris1468]

Thank you! That is exactly why I made it.

[@TheInfinium]

Hello Kristin. As always great video and great ideas you are sharing but I have a question. What do you think about mixing types of training and using parts that are best? In general I train my dog with positive training but many times when we are training man trailing, our teachers use "old ways". They are well known specialist in this field. It's hard to argue with them. Thanks, and many hugs from Rae from Poland.

[@kondorram9073]

Enjoyed your video - relationship building really important in my opinion for advanced obedience!

[@adriangraifman8260]

Thank you very much. Happy I found you.

[@GMak81]

Can I also genuinely ask/posit: MANY dog owners are not worthy of owning a dog. They do not understand, or even attempt to educate themselves about a dog's various needs: companionship, mental and physical stimulation, love, play, etc. Are many behavioural issues actually caused by bad early socialisation, and compounded by, knowingly or unknowingly, abusive and/or neglectful owners who are not meeting their dogs full range of needs in order to be happy, balanced, fulfilled creatures?

[@st.claire7201]

I think it's very informational.Respect. felt like you had good points

[@GhadaFayek]

Hello kristin i love ur videos.. have a question.. what do u think of time out.. does it work for dogs?

[@jonathanboerema7849]

thank you I'm really going to try right now

[@chasidyvanderhoof]

Great video. I train retreivers for AKC Hunt test and UKC hunt test

[@andrewhyonkim9031]

Great video!!! Thank you so much.

[@ls796]

I used positive reinforcement and management with my dog when I first got her. She was the near close to being a perfect dog for a couple of years until I started to lose my patience and understanding, I also stopped walking and exercising her as much (my depression). She's now reactive and aggressive, and I know that her behavior is an effect of my treatment of her. Everything you said makes sense here!

[@GMak81]

Hi Lori, I have been through a similar experience with my GSD x Staffie Ellie, and my own depression issues. I tend to find that I make myself go out, even when I don't want to, as she needs her walks and I want her to be as fulfilled and happy as possible, which also benefits me. You should be able to easily remedy the dog-related issues with a bit of training: Ellie and I had forgotten how to do heel work, as I haven't attended classes for a while: a 5 minute YT video and 5 mins of practice and I could see how easily we could pick it back up. I say this not to judge, but as a positive encouragement, that together you and your dog can help one another to really enjoy life as much as possible. I wish you well and send love to you and your dog.

[@rc3291]

Enjoyed your video on the different styles of training. I am not a professional but have watched about every training video I can find. My style is best described as a hybrid of all these. I don't hit or abuse my dogs but they do know the phrase "no, bad dog" in a firm voice. Sometimes poke on the shoulder with a finger to get their attention when they aren't listening.They are praised and rewarded when they do good. Any training is to some extent alpha/master, after all we are training them to do what we want.

[@anthonymoon6918]

Thanx for posting. Wanted to ask ur opinion on spaying/neutering a dog. I’m hearing other dog trainers say it’s unhealthy or wrong to do it...i figure vets recommend it coz they make money doing it, but what are ur thoughts on this?

[@Sky2Mina]

Awesome video. When I first watched a video on dog training my husband showed me I was appaled cause it showed the method using prong collors etc. Fortunately soon enough I learnt about the clicker and positive reinforcement and before getting my dog I already decided that I am ONLY using positive reinfocement. Now I have a dog but have shifted away from 100% positive to 100% violence free, but not only positive. I do say no or remove the dog from things he shouldnt do and I think that is alright as long as the dog is not physically harmed. My problem with my dog is that when she is too excited she wont take treats or toys and wont be interested in doing what I ask. So I am working to get her calmer in new surroundings and I think it'll just get time. Concerning leash walking however I just cant deal with her pulling because as she grows she gets stronger and stronger. I started blocking her (when she overtakes me, i step in front of her). This has been working quite well and not more than a light tab is now required to remind her to stay behind or next to me. Our bond is the most important thing to me so I hope it doesnt impact it. Any tips to build food and playdrive in an environment with lots of destractions are welcome though. I really enjoy your videos, watched a lot before Mika moved in. :)

[@Krissykris1468]

That's awesome! You sound like you train exactly like me, I'm based on humane methods, I won't ever purposefully hurt the dog or cause psychological stress. Use Premack Principle, it's in my video "Understand How to Train Your Dog" . Using a less probable behaviour (what you want, something easy like a sit) to reinforce a higher probable behaviour (doing what the dog wants, or going closer to it). As the dog gets fast with this, then we change the less probable behaviour to "sit and eye contact", then as that is perfect, then we keep challenging the behaviours longer and longer.

[@Sky2Mina]

I dont fully understand it (i watched the other video) but I will read up on it. Thanks!

[@TeslaNick2]

I'm learning the Premack principle. The way it was explained to me is by comparison. It's like asking your child to tidy his room if he wants to go out with his mates.

[@TeslaNick2]

I've recently rescued two very reactive, under socialised dogs who had no idea how to just be dogs. Both just needed to be taught everything. Ted seemed to not be interested in playing at all. No tug, no fetch, a little bit of chase. It took me ages to find a toy he was actually interested in. Five months on a have him obsessed with one particular sheep skin tug. He'll play tug all day. It started when I tried him with a flirt pole (as he had shown signs of being up for chasing) and he went crazy for it. BINGO, I'd found a play activity he liked. I'd let him catch the lure and then play a bit of tug with him and let him win most of the time. Over time he grew to love this more and more. To build attention with distractions you need to work up to it slowly, starting in the house, move it to in front of you house, the street in front of your house etc. It just takes time, consistency and patience. For leash pulling, I found I need to really exaggerate the corrective process and make a very deliberate movement to 'reset' the dog's position and I always mark 'nope' as a negative marker, a bridge - 'good' when the dog's in position and then the 'yes' marker for duration. I find the communication really helps in the early stages as the dog gets the concept. I also had to work a lot on the 'reset' routine as my movement was really confusing to the dog. I actually went to a class to work on it as I needed a professional to help me get the movement right - it's hard work this training sometimes, but it's also really hard for most dogs to walk at our pace. It's no wonder they pull. I would if I was a dog ! Good luck and let us know how you get on.

[@Sky2Mina]

Thanks, these tips are helpful! I'll try your steps and use a negative marker! Do you give treats on "good" and "yes" or do you just let the dog know that he is right with these words? (how would they know they are right?) My dog has been getting "worse" again but I think it's the hormones + frightening phase (barking and being scared of random objects) so I hope that will pass. We will continue working (at a slower pace) and I also have to be clearer with my signals.

[@LluulErmAvenir]

As great as ever, thanks Kristin

[@mandy347]

Love your videos! Got any advice for training a very unbiddable, independent-minded greyhound?

[@kelleezenk6252]

I am a balanced trainer and I really like this video. I really appreciate your approach in explaining the quadrants and how that is translated or conceptualized by the laymen dog owner. And I agree with almost everything you said. I use all 4 quadrants of OC but have a very non confrontational interrogation of leadership and do not subscribe to the traditional definitions of dominance, alpha or pack theory (hypothesis). I work mostly in behavior modification and I would say my style is a mix of applied animal behavior and the hands on "dogmanship". Though I think aggression for many dogs is a learned response (through positive reinforment), I can definitely say that some of my clients have been a product of the misuse and over use of physical punishment and a lack of understanding. Their is really know room for positive punishment when teaching a dog to do anything. Thanks for being non confrontational and respectful. It's very refreshing and creates good dialogue and discussion.

[@tkkrystle]

Hi Kristin, thank you for posting up another video. I checked back on your channel yesterday and didn't see any new videos for a while, so am delighted to see a new video today! I have followed many of your methods and they have helped me greatly with my 2 dogs. You mentioned towards the end of the video that a good foundation with your dog is necessary to set him up for success. I have a border collie and we used to do a lot of things together - play fetch, go for hikes, swimming, bike rides, car rides, off leash walks etc, however about a month ago he started getting really lethargic and the vet suspects he may have an autoimmune disease that attacks his red blood cells. As a result, our outdoor activities have to be cut down drastically (no exercise at all at the moment) and i feel like cuddles and training at home is not enough to continue to build on our bond. Do you have any advice on how to approach such situations? Thank you and please know your videos are much loved and appreciated!

[@Krissykris1468]

hey! I'm so glad you like my videos, I appreciate your kind words 😊 yes, there is an abundance of mental stimulation you can do. Can the dog eat treats? I'd put some tasty one mixed with his regular food (if kibble). Teach him scenting, shaping (so much fun! just search dog training shaping on KZbin to look at examples), treat dispensing balls or homemade treat dispensers. Try also looking up Donna Hill, crate training games.

[@tkkrystle]

Thanks Kristin! Scenting sounds like a good idea, and I already do shaping but i will try to add more. I love Donna Hill's crate training games too! My concern is building on our bond, just afraid the lack of outdoor activities will put a damper on that. Thank you so much for your suggestions! Please continue to make videos!

[@Krissykris1468]

+Krystle Kay oh gosh no. it's all about spending quality time. Doesn't matter if it's physical or not, it just has to be enjoyable 😁

[@tkkrystle]

Thank you very much! :)

[@beenbeen130]

I bonded more with my dog when he became seriously ill and bed-ridden for a few days than any other time in his adult life. He really appreciated me comforting him and being there for him, more than any playing or training in the past.

[@leoniekervin9356]

Thanks Kristin, Really useful. :-)

[@designerdancer94]

Hi Kristen! Thanks so much for this video - I've just recently found your channel and I'm loving it!! I've just finally gotten to take my dog with me (starting grad school!!), but he's been with my parents for the last four years (he's four years old) because I had to live in dorms for financial reasons. My dad did a lot of training with him in the "Master-Slave" style and after the big move, he's been really bad for me - which is incredibly unusual. I guess what I'm asking is how do I balance grad school (studying, classes, and a job) with being a good dog owner? I really want to start him on positive reinforcement training so that WE have a good strong relationship and so that he's good for me. But we're in the middle of a very big transition for him right now. We moved him across the country by car and he hasn't been eating well, we also went from a house with a yard and a dog door to an apartment with cats. We haven't even tried introducing him and the cats yet - we're worried he's still too excited about them and that someone will freak out and get hurt. But we go on 3-4 walks a day (which is hard for me because since he's stopped listening he's pulled me down and drug me a little while like 4 times because he's a big lab and I don't have a lot of muscle strength to keep him from doing that - even in harnesses!) and I'm really trying to keep him happy and make this a good/safe/fun environment for him. Please tell me you've got some tips??

[@Krissykris1468]

Jaz had some really great tips. The only thing I would add is make sure that the dog is getting sufficient "dog time", this means sniffing bushes, running around (with a long line attached or off leash if you feel comfortable and allowed). Being able to just run and play, jump and have fun without restraints (leash, house) can do wonders on a dog. I always recommended playing with your dog at a field, with a ball, Frisbee or tug, or just using treats, something to help the dog realize it's awesome when it's you and him/her.

[@designerdancer94]

Thank you both! I've been looking for a trainer up here, but I'm relatively new to the area (just over a week) so I haven't been able to find one just yet. Do you have any recommendations on how to find a trainer that uses positive reinforcement training?

[@Krissykris1468]

+Lilith Pullitzer cheat out association of pet dog trainers website, you can do a world wide search.

[@Skeed1000]

Question: Been watching Cesar Millan... He seems to be using pack theory but with positive reinforcement and at most he teaches to ignore or stop playing if unwanted behaviour exists. Just wondering what your thoughts on this style are. Thanks.

[@Krissykris1468]

I go over it a bit in the video. It's been debunked by the original scientist who started the hypothesis. Pack theory is outdated and a myth with domesticated dogs.

[@ETERNALCRUSADERS]

Hi nice video. I'm finding it very confusing that there are so many conflicting methods. I'm reading a dog training book at the moment which swears by not using treats and making you and your praise the reward. Is this a viable method or do you think treats are a necessary aid?

[@Krissykris1468]

No, treats are not necessary. And I think it's a myth that positive reinforcement means "cookie training" - usually you hear this from "trainers" who have not one understanding about learning theory. One thing you need to understand that praise isn't always a primary reinforcer for all dogs. Yes, some dogs absolutely LOVE hearing "good dog" since day one, some are conditioned to the verbal praise through play or other fun games, but it was conditioned. Usually the easiest way is to have a dog do something, offering a food reward and praising right then. You can see how the conditioning takes place, behaviour equals a reward which the dog likes, then as they have that wonderful taste, they hear "good dog", this "good dog" becomes a secondary reinforcer" to the dog, after some time ,the dog hears "good dog" without the reward and "feels good" from hearing it. Much like Pavlov's ringing the bell and salivation of the dog. I opt to use food to teach any BRAND NEW behaviour, it's faster. But once the dog understands the cue to behaviour, I use real life rewards, otherwise can be known as environmental rewards (letting the dog out of the door, putting the leash on etc, things the dog likes to do). Hope this clears it up a bit.

[@ETERNALCRUSADERS]

Kristin Crestejo that's a great explanation thank you very much. I've been watching all your videos to help train my border collie. He is a chronic car chaser. I wonder if you could also point me in the right direction with that. Should I be using leave it or the look at that method? Any advice would be great.

[@RachelFusaro]

I really enjoyed your unbiased approach. Thanks for sharing!

[@AV-dh3hr]

What are your thoughts on prong/slip collars as a training tool? I would never use one myself, as I don't feel comfortable doing so, but I've heard from people that when they're used correctly (fitted right, etc.), they can work for some dogs. I've mostly heard this from the schutzhund, protection work community, to help build drive and manage a very intense dog. Thoughts?

[@ronan7036]

I've seen prongs used wrong and I've seen them used right. Used wrong usually the dog learns nothing and continues with the bad behavior because they aren't receiving the proper correction. Used right i've seen anxiety filled and scared dogs become confident and outgoing because when used properly the dog controls the correction and with just that one thing they can control its boost them up. For example I know a Boxer mix that was nervous anxious on walks due to bad socializing when younger, one walk with a proper prong and she was walking confident, head up, and didn't flinch at all at loud noises. They'd tried every other form of confidence building they could think of but the prong was the only thing that worked. Now they aren't for every dog, each dog is different and may need to be trained another way but if the dog has the right aptitude for that method then it does work well.

[@Krissykris1468]

prong collars are meant to hurt the dog physically. So I don't agree with any tool that will purposefully HURT a dog to get compliance. As I went over in the video, it's more about ethics for the trainer and owner when choosing a method, whether they feel alright putting a dog under psychological or physical stress, then that's between themselves and if they can sleep at night. It's been proven that you can teach ANY DOG without intimidation, pain, fear. I've worked with HUGE dogs that are incredibly aggressive, bite levels that have MAULED people, rehabilitated them using patience and my brain to understand what is truly going on underneath the aggressive exhibiting behaviours. Trainers will say "well you have a tough breed and you need this", no, they just don't understand learning theory (the 4 quadrants), if they understood them, then they wouldn't be training using aversive tools. Hopefully that answered your question :)

[@AV-dh3hr]

+Kristin Crestejo (Modern Canine Training) It did, thank you! :)

[@stellaelise1]

Hello Kristin, what is the best way to repair your relationship with your dog if you've made mistakes in the past? I have trained my dog somewhat using positive reinforcement but I know I haven't proofed most the behaviors; I got lazy. I hate to admit that but it's the truth. I had success with her behaviors in the beginning but then I didn't work us through some challenges and distractions so I began to get frustrated. I would lose my patience and even quit training her. I want to change this! I want us to have a better more respectful and loving relationship again. I see her having a hard time even wanting to work with me so how do I back pedal and help her be happy when she is anticipating that it is time to work?? Thank you for your videos. It was hard to write this but I have to make this better.

[@altinomaia1]

Do You do some work with your dogs? As a professional I love your work, because my kennel is full of behavior problems ( agressivity), in moutst of dogs already bitten all the family. Tks

[@MurrayCats]

How long should a training session be for a dog that is about 2 1/2 years old. ? thanks

[@marshydixon1428]

Sheila Sorenson Training sessions should be about 20 - 25 minutes long AFTER exercise. If at 10 minutes your dog starts to lose focus and isn't responding as he did at the start of the session, end it there and try again later, again after exercise.

[@advent35]

I have no idea what I'm talking about but it's more of a symbiotic relationship you and your dog. If you both are matched correctly all the dog wants to do is please you it has nothing to do with being the alpha male. The dog just wants to make you happy and all you need is found in your tone of voice. Simply said some people should never own dogs I hate to use the word term owned because they should become a member of your family. Some people should never own dogs and some people should never have children. My father was the alpha male and everything he had to tell me was found on the back of his hand or in a belt. After 55 years walking this Earth and outliving 6 personal dogs more if you count family dogs. Sometimes you have to scold them and if you believe put yourself in the Alpha Dog position but it's out of love not physical violence. From German Shepherds to Boxers to Rottweilers all they want to do is please you. you will never teach them anything by smacking them or rubbing their nose in poop but rather by showing them what you want them to do in a loving manner. I'm a firm believer in getting a puppy as soon as possible as opposed to a rescue dog that has been mistreated and abused by who knows who. I'm not against it but you need to be aware that you are overcoming things they have learned from previous owners. I always love the joke lock your wife and your dog in the trunk of your car for an hour and then come back and open it up and see who is happy to see you. I know I'm getting long-winded with this comment but it's consistency and positive Rewards that make a beautiful family member teaching them the proper commands to watch you stay by your side and pay attention to what you do. I'm going to say it again all they want to do is please you and make you happy. I'm a below-knee amputee teaching my third Rottweiler to be a service animal and at 4 months old he has learned so much and given me a new lease on life. Don't treat your dog like your parents treated you! Life is so overwhelming, every time you raise your head the next wave comes crashing in and drives you under but while you're struggling to regain composure and resurface you think of the words, the kind-hearted words your friends have sent out to you, you resurface just long enough to catch the next breath and continue on. -Jeff Sebaugh-

[@nickmjbfigueroa607]

Great video not a lot of people are willing to tackle the issue of different training styles. You did a good job and did your best trying not to offend any particular style even though some people might still be offended no matter what one says. I'm in some ways like you I have learned from many trainers different methods of training dogs seen some of the pros and cons of each style and have come to the conclusion that different styles work with different types of dogs and temperments. Although I have to say the one style getting good results seems to be positive reinforcement training. There are breeds out there many of which I believe do very well with positive reinforcement training on the other hand there are some dogs that need a little something extra or different again my opinion. Just food for thought how would one incorporate positive reinforcement training with protection work, or retrieving work? For Obedience, positive reinforcement training has grown leaps and bounds.

[@itsjustbree9267]

Nando Brown and Shade Whitsel are two trainers I can think of off the top of my head who train force free and compete in protection sports. It's certainly possible if one knows what they're doing.

[@Tyler_117]

Not sure if its been asked/answered. Do you have a twitter account where you post updates and tips? We've recently (3 months) adopted from a shelter and your videos have been AMAZING. I think we got lucky with a smart girl, but these videos have helped immensely. Thank you

[@Krissykris1468]

no twitter, as I'm not very good with it. But I have Facebook which has tips and advice that you don't see on my KZbin Channel. The link is on my channels page here

[@tidar3159]

another great video!

[@allenszykula8071]

From my experience you have to take a little of each category where the positive training works really well to form obedience behaviors like sit stay basic leash walking but when you get into the problem behaviors or dangerous behaviors like leash aggression stranger aggression not fear aggression but the dog is over protective over the person or place then you need to look at other potential solutions to those problems.

[@DG-ri1lp]

unfortunately I was raised with punitive training methods. as a child I saw dogs in training classes being swung in the air with by their leashes and and as a child I instinctively thought this was wrong. When I discovered positive reinforcement training, what a difference it makes to the relationship with your dog. I want my dog to like me ....so great video :)

[@Sandy33569]

The trainers I know who use positive punishment also use positive reinforcement (in fact, I'd say they primarily use positive reinforcement in their training) and I'm seeing a lot more of this than trainers who smack or yell at their dogs or who only use positive punishment so the dogs seem to learn well while still building a great bond with their owners and it's also not an instant fix, either. The dogs are extremely happy and have not been hurt physically or emotionally whatsoever. I also know of positive reinforcement trainers who do use an e-collar on their dogs on occasion if they feel they need it for extra reliable off leash control. On the other end, I also know positive reinforcement trainers who have beautifully trained dogs this way and have taught this method well. When it comes to Agility (the main sport I do), most people I know and myself use positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. No positive punishment though that doesn't mean you won't encounter someone who does that. It does seem like a lot of trainers are using a mix of methods now depending on the dog or situation.

[@evavictoria2726]

Great video 💖

[@vivianabedoyan49]

Hi Kristin! I have an aggression problem with my dog. She becomes really upset when she's on her bed or is playing or eating something that she loves very much and we get closer to her. I'm still trying to work on this problem progressively but yesterday everything fell apart... I was trying to introduce the toothbrushing starting with a gauze in my finger. I started by touching her left tusk and everything was okay, but when I moved to de right one, suddenly she bit my hand. It hurts a lot, most emotionally than physically. She is 3 years and 9 months right now. She always been like this, since she was born. Can you please tell me what can I do to fix her aggressivity? I would really appreciate it

[@TeslaNick2]

If she bit, she's very uncomfortable with you near her mouth/teeth so I wouldn't bother even trying to brush her teeth. Use dental chews instead. Did she not show any other signs of stress/warning signals as you were using the gauze ? Keep working on the guarding issues as you have been. I'd recommend a book called 'Mine !' by Jean Donaldson as a great help for dogs who like to guard.

[@vivianabedoyan49]

She didn't show any kind of sign, it was everything okay (or I tought so) and suddenly bit me. I will never do it again, will see if I can start to use dental chews. Are they effective? Thanks for your advice

[@TeslaNick2]

Vivi Bedoyan If she didn't give any warning signs, I'd get her teeth checked to eliminate a physical problem. You never know... I can't vouch for dental chews as I honestly don't know. Just get her teeth checked every couple of years to prevent any problems. It's the lesser of two evils.

[@vivianabedoyan49]

Oh, okay. Thanks again!

[@pulsar-22]

I completly agree. I'm doing alpha training and positive reinforcement. Sometimes I do positive punishment, I don't beleive it's bad when used at the right time and moderatly, but if you constantly go "NO! NO! NO!" then it's another story. Best is when you show the dog the good behavior then renforce that positive behavior, but each his opinion.

[@rza139]

I got the "hippie" vibe advice from a bite work trainer who trains the local cop dogs. He told me to never use the marker word, No or to never tell my dog No because it decreased confidence in puppies and breaks their drive. bite work and agility dogs need their drive. No sure if this was sound advice. What do you think?

[@TeslaNick2]

Good advice. 'No' is meaningless to a dog unless you've trained it.

[@Krissykris1468]

I'm assuming the person meant "no" in an intimidating fashion. Which I would agree. If you say "NO!" the dog can get intimidated and no longer offer behaviours, this is punishment. Now, if you use "no" as a no reward marker, just calmly saying "no don't do that" then show them what to do, there's nothing wrong with that.

[@rza139]

Kristin Crestejo Thank you! Appreciate the advice.

[@ionlyusethistosubscribetop5807]

is positive training where u do use chike chains and stuff or you don't

[@Krissykris1468]

nope. positive reinforcement is all good things. Positive punishment is bad things.

[@ionlyusethistosubscribetop5807]

ok good

[@jayceec3178]

I have a beautiful Border Collie, had him for 20 days, I'm his 3rd owner in 15 months and this will be his forever home. Having a few problems, I've been using the clicker, treat, praise reward but he is still mischievous, I have never raised or changed the tone of my voice, instead praise him for everything he does right. We have a few problems but one we've been working on is chewing, he chews furniture, scratches the carpet, chews the skirting boards, the exercise bike, tries to rip his bed, anything, he will chew, if I give him his toys which he loves, he constantly drops them in my lap to play and won't give up, even dental sticks, he tosses them in the air and catches them , then gives them to me to throw. He knows he's doing wrong as when I catch him, he has "that look" but then goes onto the next thing he wants to chew, each time giving "that look" I've tried rewarding him to stay on his bed and play but he won't. If I put him in the laundry room which leads to the back yard, he constantly barks and scratches the door. I'm at my wits end, he's on the go all day and night except for when it's time for bed, as soon as I get up, he wants to go outside and play. I've managed to make him wait until at least I've had a coffee and will only go out when he stops barking. So anyone? how can I make him stop chewing everything in sight? I would appreciate your advise. Thanks

[@Krissykris1468]

So you can see why he's been rehomed. Border collies are the second highest drive dog out there, Malinios being #1 (IMO). This dog has most likely chewed out of boredom and now it's a learned behaviour, so you'll need to work with watching the dog (supervision) every minute you are home and redirecting EVERY TIME the dog tries to chew something. I usually just put my hand in between and leave it there for a moment saying "don't chew" or whatever you want to say. Then you need to be EXTREMELY proactive. How much exercise is this dog getting per day and what type of exercise? I'm gonna say this dog would most likely do well with a 1 -1.5 hour running (balls chase, jogging, herding etc) and then pair that with another 1.5 -2 hours of mental stimulation of training per day. Yes, this is a lot of time, but these dogs NEED the time as they are always "on the go" and ready, that is what they were bred to do, run and herd sheep across hills for up to 80 miles PER DAY! lol. So you can see what happens when we put a dog in a suburban environment, it takes A LOT by the human to handle. Give him the exercise and the interrupting chewing behaviour and see how you do for 1 month.

[@jayceec3178]

Hi Kristin, Thanks so much for writing back. I wrote the above 7 days ago and it's amazing what can happen in those days, he's calmed down a lot. Still scratches the carpet but I just say no and redirect him to sit on his bed. As for exercise, we do a LOT of exercise lol, He LOVES playing Frisbee and ball, Frisbee mostly and after my first cup of coffee of a morning, off we go outside and I'm home mostly all day so we are in and out all day playing. The person I bought him from told me they had him for 7 months, came to find out they only had him for 2 weeks and I did say twice to them "if you think he's better off on a farm, do what's best for him" but they said he was best with a one on one and preferably a female. You asked how much exercise he gets per day, I couldn't say off hand but we play Frisbee (and I have a big back yard) about 10 to 12 times a day, between 20 and 30 minutes each time. He gets worn out and pants for a good 30 minutes after, he also plays with the hose that hangs from a tree for well over 45 minutes, this makes him more hyper afterwards. Same with walking him, he's on a harness so I can control him better but when he sees kids, he gets excited and the closer the kids get, the more he gets down on his front legs looking like he's about to round them up like sheep lol. For some reason, the hose and walking make him more hyper. Still training him with the clicker and treats to walk nicely but different smells, distraction etc is when we have problems, and cars, he loves anything with wheels. Highly intelligent dogs, I taught him the "stick em up" we got as far as up (in the begging position) and them he drops to the floor, he learnt that after 6 lessons and it was mainly him getting his balance that he worked out himself. Also I put some of his toys in front of him and named them, started off with 3 and he picked each one up by name when asked. I'm in a very quite street and have bush land over the back fence and as soon as he walks nicely on the lead, I am so looking forward to taking him to the park or a sports oval and really letting him have a good run around and most importantly, throwing his Frisbee even further. He has brought a lot of happiness into this home, lots of laughter, I swear they know what we're thinking sometimes. Thank you and Merry Christmas Kristin and all the best for the New Year.

[@GMak81]

Has nobody, with an interest, and completely open mind, combined with genuine love for dogs, ever compared the various schools/approaches/techniques? Could it be that someone needs to conduct serious interviews with a wide variety of leading proponents of these schools, dog trainers of all sorts, and animal shelter workers who have first hand experience with a wide range of "damaged"/abused dogs? There MUST be one philosophy which is universally most effective at teaching desired behaviours, reducing/eliminating unwanted behaviours, and rehabilitating damaged/abused dogs.

[@patrickstevens9261]

I love intelligence. Thanks for this video. I'm going to be boarding a dog and want to work with her in the most rational, humane and science backed way. I felt frustrated by competing and seemingly polarizing points of view. It's refreshing to find a rational discussion. I will look to springboard from here. Thanks, again!

[@dorygirard5928]

Been training for 15 years, positive reinforcement is the way to go! Great video!

[@fpxy00]

Dory Girard training what?

[@littleaussiepoodle5106]

I trained my first dog using "combination training." It was just a really great way of making him fear me and confuse him. Oh, feed him when he does something good, but if he doesn't obey, punish him until he submits. I now use clicker training, but this dog is still scared of me most of the time. My poodle who has been trained using a clicker is very confident, happy, and affectionate. I think the two show the difference between positive and negative methods of training dogs. I take my dog to school with me, and the other day I showed off his amazing staying skills. My teachers and friends were amazed, saying how I must be a great trainer. I think the thing people don't understand is that positive training is a lot more about what the dog does than what the handler does. Yeah, I put 7 months into that stay, but the only reason he does it is because he wants to.

[@Krissykris1468]

I love everything you said. Confident in what you have learnt from doing both styles, just like I have. Congrats on sticking through with positive reinforcement! You'll be an amazing role model for more and more people who see your dog and learn how you trained him. And you can get rid of the fear with the first dog, every time they show fear or timidness, use a positive interrupter, perhaps a key word like "walk, or a favorite person?" they'll forget about the negativity and move on.

[@littleaussiepoodle5106]

He has been gradually getting better over the last few months. Usually when my best friend is in the house he'll sit on her lap if I call him, but a few days ago he came running. It was a real "Yeah, this is how dog training is done" moment. I was pretty dubious about clicker training but the change I've seen in myself and the dogs I work with is totally worth it.

[@crystalhart3296]

I love your videos soooo much ❤️❤️❤️

[@Krissykris1468]

thank you!!!!

[@ccjbudman]

Spending positive time is the best investment towards having a good dog that a person can do. Time is key.

[@akina9007]

Hi there I just started my online training as a dog trainer, and i was wondering about all those traininh technics.. And i have to say i was lost , i have a puppy american staff she is 3 mo and i started training her with food following your advice, but she starts being very stubburn, she pulls on the leach she lashes out everytime she is on leash and i just felt the need to pull back so she could stop because i am scared that she will grow up thinking it's ok to do so. I have to say i see what you mean by positive reinforcement, but i am confused with negative punishment.( when you said about a dog jumping on a personn and you remove the personn) Do you have a video about it ? Or may be more exemples of what to do when the dog disobeys you.( i need an alternative to violence or yelling coz i don't know better) Thank you for your help if you ever see my comment.

[@amysly3751]

I'm sure Kristen has some great videos on the subject. but Negative Punishment is as she said, removing the thing your dog wants in order to decrease an undesired behavior. In the example you give of the dog pulling on leash, first make sure your dog has ample exercise before a training walk. Does your dog like tug of war? fetch? Do some play in your home or yard before simply putting the leash on and expecting the dog to be calm. When the dog pulls on leash, it is often simply because dogs walk faster than us and they want to run and explore. So the simplest beginning to loose leash walking with negative punishment is to stop moving when your dog pulls. There is so much more to it, for sure. I'm going to check for a better video. ..

[@akina9007]

+Amy Sly waw thank you i really appreciate the exemples and suggestions, i'll keep browsing through her videos to learn more😊thank you for your advices

[@amysly3751]

No problem! I'm a beginner trainer myself, and I totally get it.

[@TeslaNick2]

The way I use negative punishment is to whip the treat/toy away. For example. I ask for a sit, as I go to give the reward, the dog gets up, so I mark with 'nope' and lift the treat up and away from the dog. He then sits and I repeat until he stays in the sit and then mark 'yes' or click the clicker and give the treat. I do the same thing with toys. One of my dogs likes to yap and demand I throw his ball. Every time he tries this, I mark 'nope' and the ball goes back in my pocket and I turn away and ignore him. As soon as he's quiet, ball comes out again and gets thrown.

[@akina9007]

+Tesla Nick oh those are brilliant ideas, thanx 4 the feedback

[@brunodelvalle5685]

Kristin thank you forma this video, I believe that this "war " that has begin between "balanced" positive punishment trainers and positive trainers has gone to far because of the lack of an unbiased, politically correct statement. Far from the debate of the effectiveness that positive punishment might have...which I seriously doubt, I think people should focus on a very simple fact... let's (hypothetically) say both methods work and get the exact same results (although positive punishment, only can get you to attain very short unstable achievements), would people rather harm their dogs... or make them as happy and comfortable as possible... would they prefer to create a bond of love and understanding or have their "best friend" fearful of them. There's a lack of information out there, and most people I am sure love their dogs but they get a dog without making the minimum research on what does every dog need, what does the specific breed they are getting need, and how can they train their dog in the best way possible, for the dog, and when they finally try to solve a problem, a little too late, they go for the "easy fix". Dogs are not a product, or an accessory, they are living sentient beings, and as such we should treat them at least with the respect they deserve, and stop with this attitude of superiority and capability of bending everything to our will, for that same attitude has been the source of slavery, racism, servitude, women repression, intolerance, and so much more. Greetings from Mexico!

[@TeslaNick2]

Well said. I've yet to meet anyone who (once shown) doesn't love the improvement in the relationship with their dog once they get a handle on it and later on confess to me how ashamed they are that they used to shout out or tap their dogs out of frustration.

[@lollypop2413]

Uou are amazing! I am positive training and remove things for punishment. I only scold when dog ignores

[@altinomaia1]

Tell me if anyone does mondioring with this training method? :)

[@itsjustbree9267]

Nando Brown and Shade Whitsel are two trainers I can think of off the top of my head who train force free and compete in protection sports. I don't recall what sport Whitsel does, but Brown competes in mondio.

[@all_4_paws797]

No clicker training?

[@ja-kidnb6416]

super "stupid" question: If my dog is about to eat some rotten animal in the woods but after a firm "NO!" from me the dog comes to me and I reward him or her, what is this type of training called? Also how would you behave if your dog ignores you and just munches away that dead squirrel?

[@BulkyPen]

11:12 ^ This Keeping in mind you can't just become a passenger an reward for what you wan't. It's a measured approach using common when the dog does something wrong. The missing bit in the equation in nearly every case I see with your run of the mill family dog owners is the human(s) not doing enough or the right things. Each dog is different, each case is different.

[@CreativePetKeeping]

You forgot the MOST common form of training..Balanced training. It's not "Traditional Training", "Alpha Training", "Master & Slave"..and its unfortunate that that's how you view the other side. Most of the people in my dog owner and trainer circle use all quadrants when necessary. I have a particular interesting case with my dog who, when I adopted her, was MORE fearful..more shy..more reserved. Through her training she was not suppressed and actually the opposite happened..she came out of her shell and became more confident because there was clear and concise information. I've seen that a few times with other dogs as well. I even used an e-collar for proofing.. and she was not suppressed or traumatized or scarred for life..shocker right? At my local dog training school (balanced training) where was one particular doberman who came in scared of life.. everything terrified him. Punishment was never used on him prior..he was just never taught how to cope with the world and be desensitized to ordinary stimuli. After a month of training, using all 4 quadrants, that dog was completely different ... came to class bouncy and happy.. wanted to engage with people and dogs. When we did outside classes in the city.. he coped with traffic and the sights and sounds well when he previously used to shut down. Dog training is not rocket science.. average owners are competent enough to be able to learn good timing and use good judgment if given the time to be taught how to do so. So its frustrating when I hear all these assumptions being made (I'm sure there are a few punishment based trainers out there who fit the descriptions)..because in real life..I see the complete opposite.

[@Krissykris1468]

Creative Pet Keeping balanced is a mixture of punishment and positive. Both of those methods were discussed.

[@CreativePetKeeping]

But it was done in an extreme way. Just saying "no" or withholding a treat reward (NRM) can be a punishment. It does not have to be "harming the dog physically or psychologically"

[@Krissykris1468]

Creative Pet Keeping I never said you can't say "no". I explained what each method is and posted at the beginning that this video is not to insult others, it's simply to explain to the run-of-the-mill dog owner before they choose a method. Punishment shouldn't be used by novice owners IMHO as they can do more harm than good. that was my ONLY opinion. and it's true, any punishment based trainer who understands learning theory would also agree, it can be very dangerous for the dog. You're being defensive on a video that isn't even criticizing any method.

[@CreativePetKeeping]

Can you name a punishment based trainer that says punishment is dangerous? I'm actually curious to look into that as I don't follow punishment based trainers. *sidenote. I believe that punishment CAN be dangerous to SOME dogs. Depends on what the dog finds aversive..and a lot of other factors. A clicker can be aversive to a sound sensitive dog.. while another dog could care less to feel a pop on a prong.

[@Krissykris1468]

Creative Pet Keeping yes. Not that you'd know them. So you're saying that you can tell an owner to give a leash correction to their dog, but not state the pressure nor timing, that the same amount of pressure used on a Great Dane can be used on a Maltese and that'd be okay? Not dangerous in any way? 😐

[@stevekowalski7453]

Are you a professional dog trainer?

[@ofarrellbreon5906]

Is there a "blah" button?

[@sophiethomas2212]

A lot of trainers use Ecollars as negative reinforcement and not punishment....

[@meeau]

It's impossible to use negative reinforcement without first using positive punishment. You have to add the pain/discomfort before you remove it.

[@stephenashe2160]

I use all the methods except man and slave. But it was described the same as alpha. I think all the methods have good points to use, I'd never hit a dog or physically hurt it. But I will move it, or poke it to get its attention. Positive training is good but most ppl don't have the time or money for all the food treats lol. I think people are being petty with, my way is better than yours. Most people I know train their dogs their own way.

[@ionlyusethistosubscribetop5807]

i meant choke

[@meganw3687]

Can you use both alpha training, AND positive reinforcement? That seems to be my style and I have good success. I dont physically make the dogs flip on their backs, but I do teach them to respect my authority. I eat first and walk in/out the door first as well as, I sleep on the be and sit on the couch, they stay on the floor... I have strict rules and boundaries and enforce them. If they break a rule, I tell them. If they do something good, I also tell them. Does that make sense?

[@superstankydanky808]

That's sounds like a personal problem. Alpha doesn't think like that look at wild dogs. It's the person and how they lead not authority. Like good boss and bad boss.

[@michellewilkes5801]

1:54 in, idkif I can go any further talking about all these harsh punishments the dogs don't understand at all and have no reason to understand they wouldn't be things happening to them and the wild or in a pack setting with otherdogs for example what mother dog or pack member would punish a puppy sitting in the den by shoving it snows in a pile of poop no no no understand how to communicate with dog then there's no such thing as training... the problem almost all the time with everyone is that they are trying to communicate with the dog in a way that they think they should and the way a dog should respond when they don't get that they're punished but the dog has no clue what we're trying to say because we're not talking dog other dog tries it's best that learns to understand up to 400 toddler simple words and commands Spokane verbal language by humans, it's a master at reading body language , micro facial expressions, understanding precisely and exactly understand voices inflection volume etc clearly comprehend and then I'm just buy sent your your sex your age your health or illness where you been where you're going even if you're submissive are aggressive and if you May pose a threat so anyway right off the top I have a million argumentseveryone thinks they're right but I don't go with the school of thought or whatever you want Elsa saying I researched until there's nothing left to learn I go hard I go deep I go for years at a time I like an obsession from hell I used to think I was the world's best dog on her because of what I did for my dogs and how consistent rewarding and lovingI was with my dogs only coming to realize that those were my ideas of what they needed when in all actuality I was way off base had no clue until I learn how dogs communicate and how much they want to please this and all we need to do is figure out what it is they're trying to communicate or how to train to communicate with us because then like I said there's no trainingso they just understand and do it because they want to please you if you go and rub a dog's nose in dogs shit and harshlyschooled it it will not have one iota of what you are doing that for just that you are attacking it being mean and vicious and as bad as it is to think of your nose being rubbed in poop imagine that dog spells and levels so to speak that's why they're not gagging when they eat p9op fyi eww iknow that used to be my number one question if dogs nose that's so many hundreds of times more sensitive than ours then why aren't they throwing up when they go and eat turds seems like a logical but whimsical kind of question but it's more like they can smell theingredients for they are drawn to something that is not getting processed in their system like lacking nutrients so they will be consumed the poop trying to get those nutrients... I'm just saying if a person is going to have a dog they should really do their homeworkeverybody wants a cute puppy but the minute they turn into an adolescent they wind up getting murdered work and the problem is ours not theirs. They pay the price saddest thing ever

[@neorayazour4812]

*is one of the

[@jonathanboerema7849]

will my boy Jack does he loves tennis balls so

[@KingKyrool]

Ah yes alpha training I bit my dogs ear like in snow dogs to show him who's boss. I earned his respect that day and his distrust of me ever putting my face next to him.

[@iamsaztak]

Wait, at the end, you imply positive punishment is harmful while also including things like e-collars and prongs as examples of positive punishment. How harmful positive punishment is depends on how it's used. When used properly, they're no more harmful than removing something. It's kinda like a kid. If you have a plate of cookies in front of them and take it away, they need to be able to understand what they did wrong in order for it to work, otherwise it's harmful. So negative reinforcement can be harmful too. When done abusively, it's called neglect lol very overlooked and misunderstood form of abuse, tbh. Positive punishment, in that case, would be telling the kid what they did wrong. "No, don't touch the cookies" is positive punishment. If you don't tell them what they're doing wrong by adding some sort of information, the kid has to figure it out on their own. This can be stressful for some, fun for others. Dogs don't understand our language, and it's our job to teach them. A kid understands "Don't touch the cookies", but a dog needs something to help them connect the dots. That's the job of a trainer. Dogs need to learn how to look to us for guidance, otherwise they try to solve problems on their own. Especially in the human world, that can be incredibly stressful for a dog, so you get more "primal" solutions when they experience fear or stress, like lunging/pulling/barking/biting/etc. We're supposed to be their "guide" in human-land, kinda like if you traveled to a country that doesn't speak your language. The easiest way is if you have a friend in the area that knows the language and understands the customs who can help you out so you can relax and enjoy your time without breaking any taboos or getting yourself into a dangerous situation. If you use positive punishment correctly, it's just sharing information with the dog so that they don't have to "figure out" what they did wrong. Instead, they can focus on figuring out what you, the owner, are trying to communicate. "Oh, I get it. They don't want me to do X, so what should I do instead? What solution are they offering?" = calm learning dog. Without some form of positive punishment, it takes much longer to help the dog understand, and many can't without it. The trick is doing it well, so that you don't have to do it anymore because the dog understands that your rules are serious. I think it's a little disingenuous to imply it must be done in 1-2 corrections, too. Many dogs have to be guided through it as they learn to cope with some kind of stressor. For example, if a dog is aggressive towards other dogs, you might walk them by the fence with a prong and correct with several pops to help them understand that although the stress is long-lasting, they need to focus on what you're asking them to do (walking, focus, etc). Some dogs don't need positive punishment because they're able to establish a healthy, respectful connection with their respectful owner without it. But many need it in order to MAKE that respectful connection. Especially pound pups and rescues who often had poor training. The key always comes down to HOW each of these are used. Positive punishment can obvs be done abusively (beating a dog), but negative reinforcement can ALSO be done abusively, and be even worse (neglect). It's wrong to imply that positive punishment is harmful, just as it would be wrong for me to imply that negative reinforcement is neglectful. It's just not. It depends on how and when it's used. Sometimes positive reinforcement is the most humane thing you can do. If you haven't, I highly recommend looking more into prong training. It's one of the most misunderstood tools, and I think you misunderstand them too, but they tap into a vital aspect of dog psychology. Maybe not the "mommy bite" that some people claim, but it IS similar in nature. mommy bites are positive punishment, after all. :^) SolidK9Training helped me learn about them, but there are many. I'm actually planning on using it for my dog, because she IS so anxious and insecure, and it seems like proper prong use would be perfect for helping me get through to her. It's surprisingly gentle, while giving good control for guidance, which is exactly what I need.

[@Krissykris1468]

Before you assume that I have bee a Purely positive trainer, I'll stop you there as I started with prong collars and choke collars so I fully understand their "abilities". They're great for people who have no desire to fully understand their dog, a dog is a dog, they don't care about the welfare of the dog or taking time and patience. Let's just put that out there. It's a lazy way of training because it's easy to pull on a tool that causes pain rather then taking the dogs psyche into consideration and trying to understand HOW the dog got this bad and why does the dog feel they need to react this way. Humans don't like ' not getting their way', I get this and why trainers use prong collars, it's a way to feel like you have succeeded until 2 yrs later when the dog still cannot be without a prong collar because you actually haven't trained the dog, you are intimidating the dog to restrain themselves physically, not mentally. Positive punishments is specifically defined as adding an unpleasent stimuli to stop a behaviour. If you're using an e-collar and it's not unpleasent, why are you using it? That would defeat the argument of the tools specific design. It doesn't matter is the pain is minimal or torturous - pain is pain by definition. Negative reinforcement, 100% agree can be just as bad if not worse to some dogs/humans/other species that we're working with. Just depending on what you're using and how you go about it. I agree with you on most of what you're saying except the punishment part. You said if a dog is dog-dog aggressive and you walk them by a fence with a prong on, a couple pops etc. What if the dog is fearful aggressive at the other dog and you're pairing pain (negative feeling) with an already negative association (dog), you're going to get a more intense negative reaction and/or linking on to the human in some cases for sensitive dogs. So this training would be null in the long run and actually worsening the problem. If you have a fear of heights, or perhaps lets say you were raped by a man at a young age, you memorised the way that man carried himself, spoke and dressed. At an older age, every time you saw a man that resembled your rapist, you become overwhelmed with fear, sometimes a fear that takes over your entire body, freezing you. Now take that feeling and watch as this man approaches you and touches your arm, what would you do? Whip your arm away (defensive aggression) or stand there and talk to the man calmly and make nice conversation? OR better yet, whip your arm away and have a friend yank you back into the convo even though you don't want to be there? Perhaps have a friend punch you, hit you, poke you repeatedly (all forms of punishment). My point is, if you can assess a dog properly then you won't have an issue with the battle of using punishment to train a dog, especially with aggression. Punishment IS NOT NEEDED to train a dog. Sometimes a human cannot learn force free training - I get that and it makes it harder for the dog to have success if the owner cannot be clear and concise. But my goal as a trainer and certified behaviour consultant is to bring both sides to a point of happiness with the least amount of stress to each party.

[@lexalina132]

positive punishment can also work on kids too. I ran into the street once, got a swift and sure spanking right there on the side walk. Never did it again

[@sublimesamoyed]

You have a good example of perfect timing of the positive punishment. Under those circumstances, it was highly effective but if utilized differently it could have been much less effective.

[@ukesandfun3247]

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[@QA_baker]

Winner of a video, I've been looking for "massachusetts dog training directory" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you heard people talk about - Cidlerna Barking Banisher - (just google it ) ? Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my co-worker got excellent results with it.

[@slabgizor1176]

I agree that there's a thin line between fair and unfair punishment but first of all I think there is also some room between unfair punishment at the fault of the handler and flat out abuse. Abuse is a very strong word to describe the very small gap between correcting a dog hard enough to be effective and overcorrecting because you pulled the leash(for example) a little bit too hard. If the dog is confused by a correction, I think it's the trainer's fault for not being clear with it and furthermore, I think that you have to be emphatic in the first correction so that you do get your point across clearly and you don't have to make the dog even more uncomfortable with too many unnecessary but tentative corrections. However I disagree that positive punishment is unnecessary in obedience training, and in fact I believe it's very important to reliable obedience. In order to effectively train a dog to be reliable in a behavior, say come, in any situation with any distraction - which I think is required for that exercise as it's so important to control your dog in emergencies, you have to bridge the gap between their positive motivation to obey you because of a reward, and the motivation it takes to overcome that distraction. Discipline is what it takes to bridge that gap and that is not achieved through treats and games. But I do very much agree that punishment based training is a bad way to do things, however the Koehler Method, as horrible as positive trainers accuse it of being, is 75-80% positive reinforcement. That's all I can think of, I applaud you for being willing to let KZbin comments go here, sometimes that doesn't go well and people are afraid of that.

[@Krissykris1468]

When I say abuse, it's not just a positive punishment done once, it's repeatedly done wrong, over and over, this is when it becomes abuse, because the owner/handler cannot get timing correct. And yes, I agree with all that you say, punishment is and can be very effective, but the precise timing needed, most run-of-the-mill dog owners have no idea what the dog is doing, side effects and timing. That being said, positive reinforcement training takes more time, but everything imaginable can be trained through reinforcement, but can the handler/owner take the time to train. I agree that there are trainers out there that think yelling at a dog is horrible, but at the same time, I know that many of those trainers will euthanize a dog before even attempting any other training, which I feel is unnecessary but if the owner cannot grasp 100% pure positive training, the dogs life is at stake, you change your game plan.

[@slabgizor1176]

I agree too. But for sake of conversation, in the case of an extreme problem dog, such as an aggressive one, with a literal "dead"line because of some ultimatum from the police, for example, and you don't have the time you would normally need; What then? Where does "force free" dog training go in that case? Not to argue, just curious of your perspective on that.

[@Krissykris1468]

SlabGizor117 being been in this situation on numerous occasions. for an extremely aggressive dog, force free would be the only method. Aggression in dogs is 99% of the time (other than idiotpathic) is stemming from fear. If you were to use punishment on a dog exhibiting fear aggression, even if it's been going on for some time and has become learned aggression, you would be creating a more aggressive dog in the long run. But the problem is people see immediate response to punishment, which is suppression of behaviour, it doesn't stop the dogs emotional response which causes the aggressive displays. Punishment in these cases are like a band-aid , won't fix it, just stops it temporarily. now if were talking about an unruly dog being a monster jerk and thinking it's fun to bite people (accidently taught by owners) and not using good bite inhibition, I would use positive punishment in a humane method, non physical.

[@slabgizor1176]

Positive punishment in what way if not a correction or something similar?

[@Krissykris1468]

SlabGizor117 verbal reprimands. Intimidation if need be, to get my point across (communication) that what the dog is doing hurts.

[@Bkellyusa]

Kristin, It took me awhile to work up the nerve to watch this video. As it is I am burned out on the contentious nature of the differing training philosophies of many dog trainers. I agree with most of what yo have offered in this video but the statement that pack theory has been disproved or somehow debunked is kind of extreme. If you are providing food, some sort of protection including just plain looking out for your dogs welfare, socializing them to the human/dog environment, bathing them and training them to live in your world you are the very definition of a pack leader in your dogs eyes. I think it was Victoria Stillwell who pointed out that dogs in domestication are basically lifelong puppies. They never really grow to fully functioning adults. They do not ever learn to feed or fend for themselves or develop any of the skills necessary to function as fully realized adult dog. We provide all of that for them. This is basically another often missed example of pack leadership by humans. I have also looked through David Mech's books and scientific papers to find where he has ever stated that the pack theory has been totally debunked. He has stated that his original terminology needs modifying but that is basically it so far. In a scientific paper he co-wrote with David Duff he seems to strongly re-affirm his belief in the pack theory. That was in 2010. I just now emailed him to get him to clarify this for me once and for all. In the meantime, for anyone interested, I suggest looking at the documentary Living With Wolves or almost any other film on wolves where you will see, plain as day, the pack leader system on full display. When I was young, I am retired now, but humans living with dogs in domestication was very different. Dogs were not kept on leashes or in fenced in areas and no one cleaned up after a dog. Your dog was as likely to poop in your neighbors yard as their's were in yours. In those days most domesticated dogs were happy to remain with their human families but many just wouldn't do it and ran off to join one of the many common dog packs in your area. These dog packs were so common that they were referred to by locals by the territory they controlled. So, you had the 13th Street Pack, the Elm Street Pack and on and on and on. These pack oriented domestic dogs were so happy living like this reclaiming one as a pet was nearly impossible. I tried to reclaim two of these dogs and even with much effort I got mixed results. One of them returned to the pack and the other split his time between living with us and living with the pack. I will look at your website. I am sure that you are very good trainer and I am sure that I will find much to agree with so no need to take my remarks personal. Other than an effort on my part to sort fact from fiction I have don't really have a dog in this fight.

[@neorayazour4812]

*trainers

[@servicedogblu9238]

Working with your dog should be a partner ship not a "im on top your on bottom" . Also "Positive punishment" does not include shoving your dogs face in shit and hitting. a prong collar,slip chain, and e collar do not inflict pain on the dog its a form of communication. In fact these tool were creatednot to inflict pain on your dog, rather then correcting your dog without pain.

[@Krissykris1468]

The fact that you do not understand the dictionary definition of punishment, nor understand how it works in learning theory.... That is scary. Truly terrifying. If you had a legit, educated, knowledgeable argument, that would be a different story.

[@joshmorgan4790]

Bit of a confusing video. It would make more sense to just mention reinforcement and punishment and leave out the positive. Anyway punishment could never ever be the only training method used. All trainers use reinforcement and punishment even +R trainers. You use reinforcement when conditioning a behaviour and punishment when conditioning a behaviour to stop. So "punishment doesn't teach a dog what to do" is a weird way of describing exactly what punishment is, by definition it conditions the dog what not to do. Reinforcement teaches a dog what to do. So if you stop moving because your dog is pulling you are using punishment. The difference I would say is that +R trainers generally are much less severe with punishment. Anyway my point is that you can't group training methods into different quadrants of operant conditioning. that's not how it works. no trainer uses only punishment, or reinforcement everyone uses both. 1-2 punishing for it to work was another weird fact. More accurate would be punishment has to be less desirable than the behaviour that the owner is trying to stop. But 1-2 times to condition a dog? reinforcement or punishment, that would be a very fast learning dog.

[@Krissykris1468]

Josh Morgan I understand what you're saying, however I made the video for the basic dog owner to determine the methods out there. It's broken down in simplicity, layman terms so they could understand basics without getting confused. Often trainers and consultants use terminology that is extremely confusing and loses the owners interest so they end up following some idiot that says "alpha or submissive" yet has no knowledge of canine behaviour or learning theory.

[@canisamator7937]

In order for people to understand, I think it's important to use the common terminology used by trainers for the methods they use. It would also be helpful to hear a few key words associated with the various methods AND DEFINE THEM IF NECESSARY, maybe also mention well known people known for using them. For example: Method: "Balanced" or "Blended" (Alpha), Uses Aversives (positive punishment): anything that causes discomfort: hitting, yelling, yanking leash, e collars, prong etc Cesar Milan Method: Positive Reinforcement, Clicker Training Uses treats, toys, games, praise Victoria Stillwell I'm not a trainer but I work w/ dogs and advocate for their safety & well-being so I'm always in search of sources for accurate info that can explain concepts clearly & succinctly,

[@sanjaklet636]

hi everyone ,if anyone else is searching for training puppies try Ichordo Simple Puppy Fixer (just google it ) ? Ive heard some decent things about it and my partner got cool success with it.

[@dianafriedrich1989]

Alan Lee, you sound like a sociopath to me! Maybe you need some counseling yourself before you try to train a dog. This video went through the ways of training in an unbiased way, she did it in a basic, but great way!

[@neorayazour4812]

Cesar Milan is not ne of the best dog traders in the world and he does alpha training

[@Krissykris1468]

Cesar Milan, I believe is a good person and HE can train dogs using punishment and flooding. However, for a new owner, using g punishment based technique is very difficult and creates more harm than good. There is a reason why the show says "do not attempt these training techniques without the help from a professional Trainer". Interesting enough he is changing his methods to more positive based.

[@ChickenOfAwesome]

Neoray Azour a lot of people would argue that Cesar is more entertainer than dog trainer. He goes out, uses the methods that have the quickest results and look best on TV, and then goes away again. What happens to the dogs afterwards is anyone's guess, but we do know that some from his old show (where his methods were more aggressive than they are now) were put up for adoption or taken back by rescue organisations. His methods are TV friendly, but not necessarily dog friendly or lasting.

[@finkfreaky8152]

I'm not trying to be rude but what makes you an expert? Do you have a degree or anything? Just because you've tried something on one or two pets doesn't make you an expert. Additionally if you don't know what your talking about your spreading lies and someone could potentially cause harm to themselves or others. Again I'm not trying to be rude. But maybe you should really get the h a r d f a c t s and evidence instead of misleading people with your Opinion. Or at the very least present your video as an opinion instead of "fact". Just a thought have a good one.

[@Krissykris1468]

Finkfreaky I am a specialist with canine behaviour. I'm a Certified Dog Behaviour Consultant with the IAABC and recognized as an expert witness with canine behaviour the Canadian courts. I've worked with dogs for 14 years, 8 of those being professional with my own company and specializing with canine behaviour (aggression to be the main favourite).

[@Amalgam80]

Positive Only trainers recommend more dogs be euthanized than those that use a more balanced approach. This is because Positive Only trainers have limited the tools and processed they have available to them. Also, you cannot talk about Balanced Trainers without mentioning that they use Positive Reinforcement also, and mostly. Positive Only trainers rather see a dog put down, than to use a prong collar.

[@meeau]

Dude, calm down and listen to her. Positive reinforcement based training is completely dependent on the dog doing things right and rewarding that. Yes, it's hard to do on dogs that have already developed problems, but it's still absolutely possible with a good trainer and time. No sensible trainer would rather euthanize a dog than help them any way possible, and most trainers, both positive reinforcement based and otherwise, are usually sensible and want what's best for the dog. Also, a balanced trainer would realistically use all 4 methods of training equally, but most of them use mostly positive reinforcement like you said. That, to me, sounds like an approach right in between positive reinforcement based and balanced. So, no, no one in their right mind, who cares about dogs and wants them to be happy (which is the main reason for positive reinforcement based training) would rather see a dog put down than put them in a correctly used prong collar. They might, however, rather spend lots of time to set the dog up to succeed and reward than use a prong collar.

[@itsjustbree9267]

I'd like to see the studies that prove that "positive only trainers" recommend that dogs be euthanized as routinely as so-called "balanced" trainers seem to think. Where are the statistics on that? There is a huge difference between someone who says "I'm a positive trainer" but hasn't a clue what they're doing and just throws treats at the dog, and someone who has actually studied behavioral science and knows how use it to train a dog effectively. Regardless of what method a trainer claims to be using, an inept trainer is an inept trainer. There are inept trainers on both "sides." I'd hazard a guess that inept "balanced" trainers get dogs euthanized just as frequently as inept "positive" trainers do. How about let's not compare badly done anything to badly done anything.

[@superstankydanky808]

That's bull shit have any seen a liter of pups? Tell me there isn't a alpha male they establish dominance and rules and they are physical. Just look at those pups who challenge mom or dad they get put into place.

[@fpxy00]

Never heard more crap than in this video... We have been training dogs for almost every military and police in a world, our dogs are trained to make desitions for and to guide whole squats of man, who relay on those dogs... With strictly mathematical operant conditioning you can programe the dog, but u make him stupid. Being alpha doesn't mean just to "punish" the dog… it means to guide him, and let him guide you, it is based on mutual trust/bond to a dog, dog has to learn how to read you just like you have to be able to read him, that way operant conditioning is happening by itself, the natural way, just like it is happening when you interact with the people.

[@Krissykris1468]

xyz qrs well thanks for your input when not wanted or needed. It's a free video, relax. If you want to go make a difference in the world of dog training get your own channel and stop trolling mine. Ahh wait, you can't cause you feel like a special person by thinking you know all and must tell everyone. 👍

[@fpxy00]

Kristin Crestejo, CDBC sorry for being a bit doushy, I just get pissed when I see/hear stuff like that. Yes I will start my on channel in near future, I don't blame you for this, it is a wide spread miss conseption, and in a way it is good for us because our dogs can reach such a high valeue on a market, we export a thousonds of dogs to US for army, police, and privat companies. it is sometimes that I feel alone on YT because there is no one on here, who has any knowledge about what we consider a dog training.

[@fpxy00]

Kristin Crestejo, CDBC and yes I don't feel like a special person, because I am not, around here it is just comon knoledge, but I just enjoy my freedom of speach to say what I think about your content. Sry for my english, i m bad at wrighting.

[@alanlee67]

7:17 Problem with alpha training with most people is that they are too physically weak to correctly dominate their dog. Humans are the weakest organisms pound for pound on the planet by far. A 20 lb dog is much stronger and athletic than most 100 lb humans. That is the failing of dominance training for most people and it results in the dog winning that battle. Most people try to correct their dog and to the dog it's like a gentle poke and they challenge it back. You whoop that ass properly and they will not challenge. Dogs have no issues submitting to a higher force. It's their natural instinct. You can use a prong collar to augment your strength. If that's not enough, that's why there is e-collar. I have no problem alpha training any dog unless they are over 80 lbs. Again...this is just as easy to get wrong as pure positive training.

[@alanlee67]

If your timing is faster than your dog...you're much stronger and more athletic than your dog...dominance training is the only thing that truly works. Your analogy that pure positive training is best with shittier trainers is completely wrong. It's just as easy to coddle a dog and reward bad behavior. Imagine the owner that coddles his dog because he's barking. If you suck, just get professional help. Your point that people have poor relationships with their parents because their parents were too strict is wrong on so many levels. First off, a dog's life from beginning to end is that of a child. There is no complexities of social change or needing to develop into a productive member of a human society while balancing social pressures like body image. My dad hit me when I was bad. I don't look badly on it because he set a great example for me. I look up to him to this day and I'm a highly responsible individual that literally never calls out of work and I'm the most productive member of my workgroup by a huge margin. I'm highly respected at work and I listen to my superiors. Again, bad behavior needs to be positively punished with the right timing and intensity. I wake up at 5 every morning to run my dog at full sprint for a half mile everyday. I spend a lot of time with her and I socialize her properly. But I will whoop that ass if you don't listen...case closed. I decide when she gets anything and I decide when she gets it taken away. End of story. That's the best way. That "pure positive" crap is stupid and dogs don't care about it. Dogs are perfectly happy being the lower rung. You watch dogs play and one is dominant and one is submissive and the submissive one is perfectly happy. Dogs are not compassionate. Humans are wrong to anthropomorphize dogs.

[@brianmurray667]

She doesn't know what she is talking about. She hasn't even lived long enough to gain any experience, but long enough to read things that fit with her morality. Brian Murray

[@Krissykris1468]

brian murray 14 yrs experience, 10 of those being with strictly aggressive related cases. Court recognized as an expert witness in canine behaviour as well. But I don't know anything 🤔

[@moirhann]

Do you really KNOW who this woman is??Lol!!! She is famous even in Scandinavia...She has doe so much great work, saved so many dogs yo have NO idea.... check your facts before you start nagging... What experience do YOU have ?? do i see a CDBC, APDT, IACP, PPG behind your name????? you know you need some hardcore education and experience to get to do use one of these letters behind your name.. shitloads of tests.... and also you need to get CEU's every year to keep up to continue the upgrading of your education ... what have YOU done mr murray??