Destiny Vs Entire Panel & Moderator In HEATED Anti-Vaxx Debate ft. AJW, Jack Posobiec

DEBATE: Destiny debates Actual Justice Warrior, Jack Posobiec, Sara Gonzales and the moderator at the Better Discourse conference...
Date: 6 Nov, 2021
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The Twelve Spies - Epidemic Sounds (INTRO SONG)
00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:00:46 Introductions & US identity crisis
00:05:03 Neo-medievalism
00:07:30 Recentivism, what does it mean to merge?
00:09:07 Contempt for each other, amplification on social media
00:11:36 Chinese bank robbers fallacy
00:15:22 Effective polarization
00:17:52 Planted informants
00:19:25 The regime lens, hyper nationalized
00:26:40 Collectivism, we had a draft, balance
00:29:42 Obligations to society
00:32:09 Vaxx is a societal measure
00:36:45 "It's abusive!"
00:37:37 probability and little steps
00:40:25 Minimal level of buy ins
00:46:58 Liberty on paper is useless
00:54:01 Older values/dreams are not possible anymore
00:59:28 "it's larping" blue cities vs rural areas
01:01:25 Q&A
#Destiny

[@destiny]

Things start chill but then gets heated, turning into a 1v4 vs Actual Justice Warrior, Jack Posobiec, Sara Gonzales and the moderator... 1st debate panel vs Niko House, Peter Coffin and Arielle Scarcella ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaiUpqeGis-oZ8k

[@MrPimsalabim]

You held up well.

[@thilli1859]

Republicans getting that minority status they always wanted with the mandate

[@deusmediaworks515]

@@comicsans6487 I i8i out⁶6

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Not as chill as me :3

[@toltacoatl]

how can u celebrate yourself as a hero of the panel? please tell us what exact numbers (sorted by age groups) you have regarding 2 things: infection- & mortality-rate..and explain why influenza was never recognized as pandemix-material (including the justification of face-tampons and lokkdowns). thank you. know what I find fascinating: intelligence can be so highly functional, that the cortex is able to literally prove every- & anything which the mind wants 'done'. especially high.IQ.people with a sort of pathologic juxtapose-drive (obsession) seem destined for such. and another fascinating thing is the reflex to celebrate victories where there where non. which can be seen as a potent indicator for a high degree of narcissism.

[@clem7057]

I'm glad he did the german accent joke like 5 times, it just got better and better

[@doghouse010]

lol he was such a tool

[@jessgarza88]

Yep not at all vacuous

[@Immor7alBG]

He watched the Das Boot music video 10 years ago and he has never been quite the same since.

[@bonko86]

Felt like more than 10 times

[@shinohidanzetsu]

What's the bit there? Is the idea Nazi's? What was he doing?

[@edvard8449]

"Shipmaster Destiny, they outnumber us four to one!" "Then it is an even fight"

[@batezioman7448]

“Destiny you mind telling me what you’re doing on that panel?” “Sir intellectually outpacing vaush”

[@njm2699]

Can never go wrong w a halo meme :)

[@Kloutkulture]

Lmao

[@twodumbgamers9285]

AJW is and was the goat of the panel.

[@batezioman7448]

@@twodumbgamers9285 that’s because you’ve been Mis informed

[@emjr369]

Can't believe that guy did the German accent so many times, despite it making literally nobody laugh. I genuinely started to admire him for it towards ze end

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

I would like to have a public debate about banning people from using a german accents in public debates.

[@LegiamasC-OnTwitta]

@@kristiansandsmark2048 it is only valid if you can speak a full sentence in german, not a phrase. For example, mein Gott der Mann mit die “Deutsche“ Akzent ist eine große fotze

[@hughtube5154]

@@kristiansandsmark2048 how about an Austrian accent?

[@matthewlee4834]

I have so much respect for anyone who can stand their ground so strongly against an entire panel like this

[@saltysweet2054]

@cyotee doge yeah even though Steven debated 4 idiots it’s still impressive

[@seanmccann9509]

Even if they are on Meth

[@alwaysseeking940]

Who cares though? He was just yelling loudly but not even making sense while they were making clear points that invalidated Destiny's points.

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

Destiny also got the johny deep s trial wrong lol

[@aprildelamora6492]

@@alwaysseeking940 what points did they make that invalidated destiny stance? Specifically about vaccines.(Please name the ones that are supported by empirical data not opinions)

[@Ryanandtherest12]

If Destiny wasn’t here what was the point of this event meant to be? Was it just for Jack to workshop his very very funny German accent routine?

[@TheCapn23]

It would just be a hugbox for schizos to let everyone know how oppressed they are

[@cacattack67]

there were a few other lefties there but its hard for them to get lefties to come. I know theyve reached out to vaush, knowing better and hunter avallone, but they all declined.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@cacattack67 Vaush would've been fine but yeah .

[@Marqrk]

@@TheCapn23 that’s especially true with that one lady at the end who brought up the covid conspiracy theories about the fda approval of covid vaccines

[@kubeck]

I was thinking the same thing

[@mjr_schneider]

Great debate. My only complaint is that Jack didn't do the funny German accent enough. I really needed more of that in my life. As punishment for my sins.

[@bryankorth]

gotta have more bell...

[@TheTSicKK]

Might've been the cringiest thing I've ever seen in a debate.

[@mattkaz9604]

It's so painful. I swear conservatives would rather trigger people than actually discuss anything deeply.

[@possumGFX]

Fun was..it started german and went hispano at the end. One wonders.....

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@mattkaz9604 cope

[@jeffc5974]

The irony of her claiming "there's only so much I can do" to literally defend not doing anything at all is the perfect embodiment of this entire debate.

[@kristiansandsmark2048]

True! Can we also have a debate to ban german accents from public debates?

[@schoe2164]

​@@kristiansandsmark2048 It's supposed to be Russian

[@henrilemieux6981]

​@@schoe2164No, it's not. He's mocking Klaus Schwab, a German.

[@nonfiction876]

People who say they KNOW they are doing the right thing when it comes to parenting scares the shit out of me. Being a bit confused and always questioning your choices is normal, especially when it comes to raising another human being. The fact that she said truly shows that she is a fanatic and probably pretty low IQ aswell.

[@shashankgm2533]

I mean parenting is all about doing whats best for the kids ,but should accept when they do something wrong

[@Macheako]

people who say they know better than I do....about MY OWN kids..... scare the crap outta me

[@gxlorp]

Mmmmm give your kid some myocarditis and set them up for failure because destiny would be mad if you didnt.

[@vvieites001]

I feel bad for her kids. What a nightmare parent she must be

[@vvieites001]

@@Macheako I mean, doctors do so 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@CrazyGiaky]

*Destiny:* "I think vaccines are..." *Jack Posobiec:* * _does Dr. Doofenshmirtz impersonation_ *

[@dylankempthorne]

Dude seriously, shit was cringe af.

[@rll1236]

@@dylankempthorne I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a few people ended it during that debate

[@elite3254]

@@dylankempthorne yeah and it fucked the whole conversation

[@BaleshNTP]

That idiot made me quit the video it was so cringe. Not sure if I'll finish it later 😆

[@JesusHChrist2000]

So. So. cringe.

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

4v1. Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

[@richardnixon7248]

Bonnell has won 1v5 before. It was against ethno nationalists (who are all really dumb) but still...

[@Seaneey]

It was only fair. The 4 of the barely made the argument of 1 person.

[@phadedlife]

It's better discourse bro.

[@SchiwiM]

Destiny was the only sane person on that stage, yes

[@Kloutkulture]

😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@user-jt6rh8xy6n]

“We’ve always been transmitting diseases and no ones ever been worried about it” I can’t….. I just can’t

[@thequeenundisputed]

Does anybody else remember the polio crisis and how everybody was ambivalent based antivaxx American patriots when the vaccine came out, refusing it until the problem went away on its own?

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

I don't understand how nobody sees the connection between the petulant right-wing children, upset that trump didn't win, are making issues so we all cant go on the trip to Disneyland. Seriously, NONE of these fucking right-wingers said a fucking word when trump, reeling from his initial failed response to cv-19, ran on the "WE'RE GONNA GET THE VACCINE!" campaign (his election commercials can be found here on youtube) and to hear these same people, at his rallies SCREAM like kids seeing Micahal Jackson in concert. All these major name right-wing anti-vaxxers, show me your "I'm anti-trump bringing out the vax" videos. Im waiting.

[@ErgoProxy12345]

@@wwlittlejOfficial i remember the now current VP saying she wouldn’t take the Trump vaccine, and yet demands people listen to her as she says to take it. there is nothing the right winger are doing that wasn’t being done for 4 years by the left wingers during the Trump presidency. the hashtag NotMyPresident was started when he got elected and kept going for 4 years, so trump followers not accepting the result isn’T so different than anti-Trump people not accepting the previous result.

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

@@ErgoProxy12345 I would respond accurately, but I have no idea what my post was u are responding to. KZbin seemd to block comments now on the regular. But I will say this much: the whole not my pres folly was a joke, yes stupid from the left, but it was a wisp in the wind ascompated Jan 6. Not even remotely comparable.Hilary concede within 24 hours and #notmypres was championed by no names in politics mostly and again, the sentiment was gone in weeks. U are comparing a mouse to a lion, saying it's equal.

[@jonz23m]

Didn't age well

[@Flyingclam]

AJW was the only one on that stage that could bring up reasonable counter points to Destiny. Everyone else is just brain dead from culture war nonsense. Biggest brainlet being Jack "I'm ex-intelligence pls listen guys, trust me bro" Posobiec

[@lampad4549]

What reasonably counterpoints did he bring up?

[@alyx669]

Wow guys that German accent was so funny, right? Hahaha wow I couldn't stop laughing everytime he did it. Absolute comedic genius.

[@ennotianen1191]

I've never witnessed a worse comedy bomb... unreal

[@gordonstrong5232]

Guess this is what they mean about the right getting better at comedy 🙄

[@Opheliakami]

@@ennotianen1191 Steven Crowder: excuse me?

[@25cents11]

That shit wasn’t funny the first time and it really wasn’t the hundredth time

[@ytchip21]

Funniest shit I've ever seen. Classic comedy.

[@stevewilkens5134]

The accent, hyperbole, 4v1 tag-team, terrible moderation, and insane, sweeping assumptions may have made this the worst debate I have ever seen. Can't wait to see the next one!

[@Jrez]

I was going to say a worse debate, but I couldn't decide on one because I don't even want to think about them even as a joke.

[@myklbeats2647]

I haven't watch this one yet but the previous one with the infinite money hack guy was pretty insufferable.. it sure can't be worse, right? edit: oh boy

[@domenicgalata1470]

These are not debates. Destiny is edifying these chucklefuck dipshits. Mr. Bonnell out here doing a public service, keeping it real for all us sinners.

[@harry426]

It seems to be par for the course for Better Discourse so far...

[@lucasparham5068]

“Better Discourse”

[@tph2010]

I don't always love everything about Destiny, but I do admire and appreciate his ability to stand up to bullshit like this. He has nerves of steel.

[@BlueBARv5]

I get frustrated watching these because Destiny will make a great point and they ignore it and change subjects..

[@DrowningMoon]

Saying giving your child a vaccine to protect them from a potentially life treating virus is abusive might legitimately be one of the most ignorant things I've heard in my entire life

[@bananian]

Might as well say not beating your child is abusive.

[@Spectra651]

I thought that the lady said making kids wear masks was abusive (if I'm remembering right), not that that invalidates your point in any way... if anything it just makes her look even stupider. Might as well say making kids wear thick coats and hats in winter so they don't catch pneumonia is abusive.

[@DrowningMoon]

@@Spectra651 youre right i miss heard her

[@oopsiepoopsie2898]

@@bananian many people believe that

[@Macheako]

it might be.....if that "virus" isn't actually deadly....and that "helpful vaccine" is really just an experimental dose given to us by corporations that don't have anyone's best interest in mind..... IT MIGHT BE BRUV lolol

[@jorgevaldes6160]

love how the woman second from left dressed in black automatically proved Destiny's point that she doesn't understand statistics/probability.

[@bobjenkins4925]

THERE'S ONLY 3 PROBABILITIES BRUDDER. 100%, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, 0%, IT WON'T, 50% AND IT EITHER WILL OR IT WON'T. WEIRD NUMBERS HURT MY HEAD BRUDDER

[@SporadicUploads]

Thank god you said it

[@LaptopmenaceMTK]

It's always fun looking at the chat filled with a bunch of soy hype kids who've never had a real conversation in their lives.

[@George7763]

No, that is *that*woman trying to debate. My guess is that you don’t say that when a guy loses a debate.

[@martyshekelstein2859]

How dare you. Protect women.

[@Hendrixium]

I liked it when he put the sunglasses on, did the German accent, and everyone was awkwardly silent.

[@bigben3089]

He beat that dead horse into a gelatinous state.

[@Matt-ov1qp]

and yet he wasn't socially aware enough to stop

[@kepler-1608]

As a German, this accent sounded like Russian. In fact I thought he tried to be Putin.

[@roadgnome9166]

My soul is cringing every time it happens

[@Twistedhippy]

And he kept trying it, very odd.

[@Kloutkulture]

It’s like Destiny has been training his whole life for this Pandemic debate Arc. 🤣

[@onashenwings3850]

They are like a kid with divorced parents living with their father and only can hear what their mother did wrong.

[@aperson2943]

Destiny looks like a tall guy trying to escape the body of a short guy.

[@vallano8970]

It’s the long head huh

[@Kloutkulture]

Lmaoooooo

[@williamcozart8158]

Yeah, he takes that whole "posture on the debate panel" thing too seriously.

[@boblaw4488]

the curse of having short legs and a long torso

[@acdesegurgels8663]

@@williamcozart8158 or maybe he knows good posture is important

[@crypticraps]

That dude talking in the german accent really knows how to kill a joke. And then drive it through the mud. And then kill it again.

[@galvanaut7119]

MAKE HIM STOP!

[@laurendaryani4893]

Lol... I've mostly been listening but I'll go back to the screen once in a while. I look during his 5th-ish time doing the accent and he has fucking sunglasses on now. Jesus... 🤦‍♀️

[@pigwag]

I usually enjoy a bit of cringe but that cringe was unbearable.

[@integrallens6045]

Just let Sean talk to Destiny, they are the only 2 with good arguments.

[@Wolfsheim23]

exactly.. all I cared about. Theres a second debate they did and Sean is in that too. Too bad Destiny wasnt.

[@rottenrod2391]

Destiny: proving beyond all doubt that leftist SJWs are intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.

[@Wolfsheim23]

@@rottenrod2391 How is he doing that, he's the only liberal on this panel?

[@Wolfsheim23]

@cyotee doge Destiny seems pretty honest to me in all his debates unlike some liberal minded. He's not a leftist.

[@GEnghis559]

@@Wolfsheim23 he’s not Hasan, which I like

[@suburbanbando3066]

This. This is the reason I love Destiny so much. I really don't agree with him on a bunch tbh, but I love that he'll take on an entire panel by himself and stand up for what he believes in no matter the odds.

[@namaste303]

Ben Shapiro does it all the time

[@mattstiglic]

Except that what he believes is standard cathedral nonsense. Not one contentious, original idea in his entire repartee here.

[@namaste303]

@@mattstiglic nice OPINION

[@mattstiglic]

@@namaste303 it's not opinion.

[@namaste303]

@@mattstiglic that’s your OPINION

[@frogturtle]

this event being called better discourse is like waking into a grocery store called better value and paying 4,000 dollars for expired milk

[@Kloutkulture]

Our Arrows will blot out the sun Destiny: Then we will fight in the shade

[@aravindkrishna2043]

“We have you 4-to-1.” “I like those odds.”

[@AnAngryMarauder]

Then it is an even fight.

[@gt-bz7zw]

How can an event called “Better discourse” contain the most dogshit political discourse. Is it on purpose? It feels like it’s on purpose.

[@EddieMachetti]

I’ve seen KZbin commenters have better debates lmao

[@ZeroBoreOfficial]

That's one guy doing a German accent was giga-cringe, holy fuck

[@benny399]

Eh... I thought it was funny... I laughed

[@josephk1342]

@@benny399 didn’t realize right wing comedy was so pathetic that you people would find garbage like this funny.

[@ryohio4706]

@@josephk1342 dude, chill, that's fine if you didn't laugh, but why trip on people that did? It was KINDA funny a couple times. That's totally fine if it made you cringe out your ass, but it was literally just a "mildly funny" German accent,, nothing to be a dick over, comedy is 100% subjective

[@78skj]

And not just once or twice….🤢🤢

[@Jyyhjyyh]

Those jokes went on for far too long

[@erichardy32]

"America has never been this divided" ignoring the civil war, the red scare, the KKK movement, the civil rights era, the splitting of the Dakotas, FDR vs conservatives, the internment camps, Irish immigration. I could literally keep going to the founding of the country.

[@LesterBrunt]

War on drugs seems pretty divisive if you ask me.

[@matcauthon9669]

@@LesterBrunt maybe 20 years ago but now? IIRC most Americans want an end to it.

[@l9o6p7a3k4a]

@plaZeHD you have a very narrow understanding of world history if you believe that. Tribalistic conquest has existed to the same if not greater extent throughout history

[@Ruby-zl1sp]

They mean for white men lmao the struggles of minority groups or even general working class citizens never matters to them

[@diegorincon4673]

Im going to put the other ones. Gay marriage, women’s suffrage, the fire breathers, the war for our independence, king or president, black Wall Street, Reagan banning machine guns, 9/11, Obama, support of the first & Second World War, Vietnam, child labor, electricity, roe v. wade, the Equal Rights Act, Harlem, black people in the union army, Native American rights, the state of Lincoln, the war in the pacific, the Spanish-American war, general Sherman’s march to the sea, Jewish immigration, Chinese immigration, atheism, prayer in public schools, the second amendment, the racial status of Germans, black voting rights, non-land owner rights, and those are the ones I can remember. There are hundreds more.

[@supsap6545]

Jesus christ that "obesity is not my responsibility" lady is unbearable.

[@vuyosidinile8493]

I'll always give props to Destiny for being willing to discuss things with people who have different opinions :)

[@Aceman50333]

I adamantly disagree with him on many points but your statement is why I listen to his content. That and despite disagreeing, he isn't just a partisan ideolog and can admit when he sees the merit or basis of beliefs that differ from his.

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

It's easy to debate someone when they are fact in face wrong. I'll debate u all day long about the whether or not mustard turns into ketchup. I can't debate u about mustard being better than ketchup. The point is it's not about indifferent opinions, which seems to be the catchphrase these days. It's about wrong vs right.

[@Arcanecide]

@@wwlittlejOfficial Destiny is not right about everything tho, so I don't know why you're saying that.

[@wwlittlejOfficial]

@@Arcanecide um... Yeah... Work on your reading comprehension. I never remotely says destiny is right all the time. I said it's easy to debate when it's a matter of right or wrong, which is in direct response to the op saying destiny vs a difference in opinion. Or did u miss that part?

[@Arcanecide]

@@wwlittlejOfficial but you're literally making it sound like right vs wrong is Destiny vs the panel, as in destiny right panel wrong. At least thats what it looks like to me

[@jasonbuckley4118]

Destiny Looked like he was so Dissapointed how he had to explain things to adult human beings.

[@JustGotALife]

He always looks like that, that's his strategy

[@Smithington_]

@@JustGotALife Pretty sad that they didn't let him take his Pizza with him.

[@richardhands904]

@@Smithington_ they should have let him take his piano with him

[@kristianjensen5877]

@@JustGotALife To be fair, most adult human beings need basic shit explained to them

[@joshclark2208]

He also way wrong on a lot

[@BILLAMENT2]

It’s literally abusive Steven idk why you’re acting so cold and callous

[@gd8838]

good meme

[@jamesguinan415]

Stop Gaslighting me, Steven

[@phadedlife]

Stop stonewalling me. My therapist says that's abusive.

[@5days61]

STEVEN STOP STONEWALLING ME REPLY TO THIS COMMENT RIGHT NOW

[@Sakuya_Moon]

BUT YOU CALLED ME A PRINCESS STEVEN

[@matthewhanrahan3596]

I love this talking point from anti-vaxxers: “Getting a vaccine is the bare minimum you can do for society” Anti-Vaxxers: “but fat people”

[@thequeenundisputed]

I wish Destiny would say "you're right, if there was a vaccine that was as effective at preventing obesity as the covid vaccines are at preventing covid, I'd be in favor of mandating that, as well". The problem with obesity is that it's a multifaceted issue, with social, emotional, mental, cultural and physical factors to consider and worry about, the level of responsibility one obese person has for not figuring out what many others have been unable to do and bootstrapping their way to fitness is much, much less than the level of responsibility an anti-vaxxer has for not taking 30 minutes out of their day to drive to CVS and get vaccinated because the level of burden it puts upon the individual is massively different, as well as the impact it has toward other people. I couldn't care less if some rando I meet on the street is fat, it doesn't make my life any better or worse for having encountered them, but if someone I met on the street had covid I could bring it home to my mom who has stage IV cancer and takes immunosuppressing medications and she would likely be dead in a matter of weeks. These risks are not the same.

[@ViewfromtheVoid]

Anything bad happening in vaxxed lives: must be the anti-vaxxed.

[@thequeenundisputed]

@@ViewfromtheVoid I don't understand how you could at all think that this stock complaint you must use whenever someone criticizes anti-vaxxers is even the slightest bit applicable to this circumstance. They're not talking about just anything, they're not finding some random disparate thing to blame on anti-vaxxers, they're talking specifically about something anti-vaxxers do that is directly related to vaccines and vaccine related policy that was directly commented and argued by anti-vaxxers in the video that is being commented on. Why would you think this was a good comment to make?

[@TitoLounge11]

@@thequeenundisputed antivaxxers seem to, in general, have a grand persecution complex. Always needing to validate their position.

[@PBNIP]

A majority of people that died to covid had obesity and other diseases related to diet. A love how you dont want people to be healthy and just want them to accept their poor health. You make me sick

[@matthewlee4834]

That woman at the very end was fucking insane. Like her brain has been absolutely destroyed by online conspiracies

[@karlholde6901]

"why do you care that i'm drilling holes in the ship when you claim to have a life jacket?"

[@somebodyimportant3490]

If you believed in your “life jacket,” you wouldn’t care that I’m actively trying to crash the boat into an iceberg. Checkmate liberal😏

[@hawkxlr]

Why would you even worry about me driving drunk? Doesn't your car have airbags and a seatbelt?

[@vandl107]

@@hawkxlr 98% survival rate... You're a stooge & will take whatever safety some will offer. Basically your scared and have no spine.

[@tdbake]

Probably the worst analogy pertaining to this

[@chrisprilloisebola]

haha epic logical fallacy

[@Daniel-uc1zz]

Jesus Christ who invited the lady who obviously slept through high school mathematics and science.

[@HighFromCost]

She's not a lady she's a M O T H E R

[@TheAnimaAnimal]

A Karen, duh.

[@myjciskate4]

@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 no

[@hwiatslgeord2887]

@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 lol no..she's is a big dummy

[@myjciskate4]

@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 All of them. They stem largely from ignorance of how vaccines and basic biology work.

[@dapperdave4207]

Destiny sitting quietly before he ever speaks is my spirit animal. Black tee, jeans, and just that air of “everyone else up here is taking themselves too serious” lol

[@superexplosive]

While you were partying, Jack Posobiec was reading the Mandarin.

[@fatnose0]

Okay but like, what was this event supposed to be? It feels like if Destiny wasn't there it would've just been a bunch of circle jerks am I wrong??

[@thekycklingwizard78]

That’s so true, makes no sense

[@fatnose0]

@@thekycklingwizard78 they mentionned the quartering as some major sponsor last conversation so I'm wondering if this is his event or smthg, or if not who the organizers were exactly

[@qbqbqbqbqbqb]

It's not really their fault that very few left wing people are willing to come to this type of event. Most leftists believe debating the right is unproductive.

[@fatnose0]

@@qbqbqbqbqbqb fam, there's a bunch of leftists that go to events like this on a monthly basis, I doubt they couldn't find anyone

[@qbqbqbqbqbqb]

@@fatnose0 Really? Can you give some examples of leftists that go to events to debate alt righters and qanon people on a monthly basis? Sounds like a blast. Niko House could count I guess.

[@Hammers93_]

Jack’s painfully unfunny German accent can only be explained by one thing…Psychosis

[@Chopstewie]

It least have a better accent, Jesus

[@billyhates]

Psy'cope'sis.

[@WBKimmons]

Destiny’s hyperactive meth paced speech pattern can only be explained by one thing: only child syndrome

[@RBGHfam]

I'd like to see you debate Sean on mandated c-19 vaccines at the federal level. I think this is one of the worst positions you have.

[@gustavgans9082]

I hope you mean Sean Last.

[@2fat2serious59]

Jesus Christ it’s like a man vs 4 children

[@yannickoudeheuvel9453]

"did the FDA actually approve it??" "yes" "well the FDA sucks" bruh

[@RealmRabbit]

Excuse me, but did you ACTUALLY go to the FDA headquarters yourself and confirm it with them in person? No? Pffft... That's like saying humans landed on the Moon or JFK was assassinated without actually being there to see it happen... Don't make any sense, does it? (Satyrical)

[@RealmRabbit]

@@paperfart3988 It is a horse dewormer in the form of it that is made for horses (which is also the form of it that a ton of people were taking to deal with covid)... It's wrong to call it horse dewormer in some cases as with Joe Rogan, but in a lot of other cases it's not wrong because that is what it is... (To the point where I think you literally had the FDA warning people not to take the horse dewormer form of it back in I believe August of this year)... In addition to all that, never has the FDA approved it for treatment of covid-19 in humans as there is no evidence that it helps... (And if there's no evidence that medication is helping you, probably it isn't worth taking because the side effects will obviously still impact you regardless...)

[@virginiafromvirginia3390]

I don’t know if you know this but vaccine producers can not be sued. So that’s a red flag. The FDA has approved tons of different medicines that get recalled. Ten years later you have x y and z medical issues because of x y and z medications.

[@RealmRabbit]

@@virginiafromvirginia3390 From what I heard, it's basically a deal with the government since the companies would be inclined to charge people money for the vaccine if they had to deal with a ton of frivolous lawsuits going their way since it'd cover the legal fees and the government wanting people to be encouraged to get vaccinated doesn't want the vaccines to have a paywall... So the government assures them that these lawsuits won't happen and that paywall doesn't occur so more people get vaccinated (and faster)... It's a reasonable explanation that seems more probable than a conspiratorial explanations of things like "It's part of their plan for population control! They know it is dangerous and still distribute it intentionally harming all the people who get it!" It could have long term side effects, but we don't know that... We do know that vaccines rarely if ever have long term side effects though... And we know that viruses often can and that this particular virus absolutely does...

[@TotallyAwesome420]

@@paperfart3988 That's an idiotic comparison between two items used for different reasons. It's like saying that mechanics recommend you change your oil and pour some water into the radiator and thinking it's totally okay to pour water into your engine and put motor oil in the radiator.

[@salokin3087]

Aside from how unfunny Posobiec is, this was better thanks to the lack of Niko. AJW gave an incredibly based take on zoning and successionist larping. Good on him.

[@Sprite_525]

@Thomas Buchovecky yeah, conspiracy Gish galloping is cancer

[@Zenbon111]

incredibly cringe

[@dmo530]

Houston zones just differently. City Beautiful has an excellent explanation of their system.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@Kevin Dev you keep trying

[@snyden23]

Reminds me of the comedians I see in little dives sometimes that desperately want to be funny. They just can't quite get it, no matter how much they mime and mimic the other comedians.

[@jcdelgado3727]

“The FDA sucks” a man who knows nothing, sounds legit

[@blueballedtech]

Bro, I swear Destiny is the shit man. He just hits people with facts and his rhetorical flourishes are a thing to behold.

[@ChichiNaka]

Whats the idea of this event? if Destiny wasn't there its just a bunch of conspiracy moms agreeing with each other while some guy does a german accent while being too scared to talk about his own opinions because he 'has a real job'

[@gt-bz7zw]

I think the idea is that eventually it’ll just be 5 conservatives circle jerking at a conference that gives the appearance of “all of the discourse”. Idk what the return rate is on this kinda propaganda but I know it works.

[@Va11idus]

@@gt-bz7zw that's what happens when liberals think their ideas are so good that they aren't worth debating. "The science is settled, trust the science" isn't conducive to productive discourse.

[@emillundqvist8126]

like what often happens I imagine they invited someone to side with Destiny but when they heard who the other panelists were they declined last minute and then they quickly had to find a replacement (and with a conservative host it will be easier to find a replacement who is conservative).

[@LeonBelmont1000]

I cant believe that woman used the "millennials are entitled and just dont understand how to budget", good god it's been awhile since I've heard that one.

[@zacharychristy8928]

"Maybe everyone just suddenly became dumb" is such a boring answer for generational wealth disparity.

[@thisisthewaterandthisisthe3254]

And she called masks “abusive.” That’s some snowflake shit

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Americans in general have a spending problem. Definitely dumb to just say 1 generation does this.

[@alligatorsarecoming78]

@Toast Malone what does this have to do with hating women?

[@Ilikemusic101]

She was so annoying throughout this thing. The only person that got on my nerves more was the dude doing the cringe accent when interrupting.

[@godiebeard]

I like when Destiny is about to talk he does this boxing stance thing with the microphone

[@reezlaw]

I only watched the intro. Great points were made, everything made sense, I'm not mad AT ALL. Perfect viewing experience, 46 seconds, done.

[@AfkaSound]

Steven has asserted so much dominance in the social media political soup that they have to send 4 people up against him and he still comes out on top. He T posing so hard rn.

[@cacattack67]

honestly i think Jack and Sara just got in the way. the back and forth between ajw and destiny was much more interesting.

[@haydens5321]

He is a big fish in a small pond

[@jamesgentry6814]

I think a better description of steven or whatever he calls himself is that he comes off like an unhinged whiny child.

[@himangshumahanta5398]

@@jamesgentry6814 cope and seethe

[@jamesgentry6814]

@@himangshumahanta5398 I love how you have figured out a way to respond and think you have said something but in reality have said nothing at all.

[@bobobofett]

"better discourse" Man on stage immediately mocks German people

[@Azraelmaximilian]

Also super ironic that the guy who's political views most closely aligned with the nazis had to do a German accent. I'd call it a Freudian slip but with how often it happened it was more like a Freudian Melbourne shuffle.

[@ChipCheerio]

Well let’s be real, when you’re 0-2 in world war victories, you deserve some mocking

[@Azraelmaximilian]

@@paperfart3988 Not for his vaccine views, for literally everything else he believes. Nice strawman though, too bad I brought a match.

[@Carmidian]

At the beginning somebody wrote the Despresstiny in chat I couldn't stop laughing.

[@NoJusticeMTG]

How has destiny's brain not melted out of his ears at this point, these conservatives are unreal

[@Randy-md6xl]

Yeah because natural immunity is a myth, right? You guys are sheep and Democrats are your sheep herders.

[@chrisprilloisebola]

lmao woman thinking she's smart, uh oh

[@B_D75]

@@Randy-md6xl I love how conservatives immediately just default to some talking point because they don’t actually know how to talk about anything substantial.

[@Randy-md6xl]

@@B_D75 I said what I said. I don't see you proving me wrong.

[@wisetrollman]

What a conspiracist circlejerk this “Better Discourse” event would have been if not for Destiny crashing their party.

[@shinohidanzetsu]

Yeah, it always sucks when it becomes clear that all of them are in the same boat, it's like "oh nooooooo."

[@braingel]

I tuned into one of the later sessions. It was exactly that.

[@Bluelizard0]

Is it conspiracist if what they predicted came to pass?

[@GBGB000]

"BETTER DISCOURSE" Better than what? The ravings of a lunatic?

[@edwardcisabella]

12:45 had me checking my computer for every alert I could think of

[@mattstiglic]

Also, if you're attempting to come across as an intellectual or someone to be taken seriously, don't use terms like "anti vaxxer" or "conspiracy theorist". Its beneath actual intelligent discourse.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

"Its beneath actual intelligent discourse." I use these epithets all the time, and I guarantee I'm far more intelligent than you are. I further guarantee that you are entirely unable to coherently expatiate on why, exactly, this is "beneath intelligent discourse".

[@Arcanecide]

@@hadronoftheseus8829 Just the fact that you felt the need to state how intelligent you are, makes you unintelligent. Saying the word "expatiate" doesn't make you smart.

[@Arcanecide]

@@hadronoftheseus8829 The reason it's below intelligent discourse is because it labels and marginalizes the person you're trying to debate, and is disingenuous when it comes to attempting to debate a topic for knowledge rather than "I'm right you're wrong"

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

@@Arcanecide You are certainly in no position council anyone on how to conduct intelligent discourse. All you've done is employ two verbs whose meanings are just as unclear as your initial locution. You've added nothing and elucidated nothing, and your chosen words are _at least_ as loaded and inflammatory as those whose use you're impugning. I most definitely am not disingenuous when I call an anti vaxxer an anti vaxxer. I mean exactly what the semantics would suggest. You're a fool.

[@Arcanecide]

@@hadronoftheseus8829 r/iamverysmart

[@ZebulaJams]

I'm only half way through, but this panel is definitely better than the Niko strategy of "Scream every time Destiny talks so no one can hear what he is saying so I don't have to respond to it." Update: Every time Jack opens his mouth to do his 6-year-old comedy bit I have to mute the video and wait for the adults to start talking again.

[@smugnick5458]

No that debate was entertaining. These people are lame as fuck.

[@StarShade0]

I love how both chats explode whenever the JF impression from Jack comes out lmao

[@ryangress5697]

Chat spamming “Do the voice” made my entire day

[@Spartan9567]

Destiny on his A game, I loved this so much.

[@gd8838]

Buffstiny is the strongest Destiny form we've witnessed since Nebraska

[@twodumbgamers9285]

Wait you think destiny did good on these panels? I thought it was incredibly childish for him to always put his head down. Destiny probably showed the least respect. He also was the one to first say "stop interrupting me, let me talk!" Anytime a version of that phrase is used in an argument it instantly starts going down hill. Then everyone could use that excuses whenever someone talked over them. Destiny always starts that game even when he's one of the biggest proponents of that tactic. Destiny use to be fun and entertaining to watch debate someone but lately he's just became disrespectful and childish. Putting your head down while others are talking just shows how little he wants to be there. He might make good points but damn are they overshadowed by his actions which are just immature and childish. I think many others were also childish but destiny showed it alot. Especially when arguing with Niko. AJW is the one who comes out on top. Sean is the goat 🐐 not even lord destiny can beat him.

[@rokcetman6913]

@@twodumbgamers9285 L

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

@@twodumbgamers9285 L

[@twodumbgamers9285]

@@rokcetman6913 good argument 😘

[@darrinmcintyre6810]

Anyone else feel like it was super awkward this dude just kept doing an impersonation every time he wanted to imply something was communistic?

[@DavesThePartyGuy01]

At 43 minutes it felt like an hour long CRINGE. Jesus Christ

[@zer0nix]

Dude was loving the ss impression just a little too much...

[@LoRe-nm8gd]

But who's dividing the US? Gotta be the regime.

[@Goblet31]

ooooooooooooooooooooh, i spent half of this video tying to find out where those windows sounds were coming from LOL they're in the video

[@amazingrazin]

Judges have a stay on these "mandates". It IS a violation of rights.

[@nightmareking3913]

I’m very reluctant to watch this a second time (first time live on stream) knowing we are going to be hearing MANY cameos from a particular German entity...

[@the-renegade]

Why watch it via stream? Having control of the content, such as video playback speed is incredible.

[@rll1236]

@@the-renegade cause its live

[@nightmareking3913]

@@the-renegade I needed background noise while doing other stuff. It ended up becoming the focus of what I was doing given how absurd that guy’s responses were lmao.

[@the-renegade]

@@rll1236 Yeah? But he uploads it later, heh.

[@the-renegade]

@@nightmareking3913 Alright, I can't engage in live content... It's weird because it feels SLOW! 😅

[@damienfritz5626]

“I was reading the Mandarin” Chat: BINGQILIN

[@stropheum]

Shang chi was a good film

[@neilsmith5510]

BING CHILLING 🥶🍦

[@gregogrady8027]

If you need to speak over your opponents while they are refuting your argument so that you cant hear them that is a pretty good indicator that you dont want to know why you are wrong. I used to see people try this in formal debates I judged or moderated and I'd warn them then either throw them out or give their opponents the case win.

[@zmo1ndone502]

This is a good convo

[@michaelehlert9]

Destiny seems like the only person who has traveled outside the US and understands what real freedom is and is not.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

I haven't met many conservatives in general that can understand anything other than the concept of absolute negative freedom.

[@michaelehlert9]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 agreed

[@jerred9655]

Jack is xmilitary intel

[@pointofpersonalprivilege6057]

I live outside US. I live in Europe and i envy the freedoms you dismiss so easily. I live in a country with universal healthcare and 1/5 of the population is on a waiting list for more than a year.

[@michaelehlert9]

@@pointofpersonalprivilege6057 I now live outside of the country as well, in Northern Italy. We have universal healthcare AND private options and they are excellent. Low-cost education options, maternity leave, low cost generic drug options, low to no gun violence, 5 weeks vacation, no major issues with temporary wearing of masks and getting vaccines. The above options actually give you more freedom through a quality of life than what I saw in living in the US. My main complaint is that starting a business here has much more red tape and restrictions because the Government doesn't want employees to be let go so easily, so it's much harder to "try and fail your way to success" and grow organically. This is where the US has a huge advantage over most of Europe but it's a shame that with such wealth the US cannot provide better safety social nets. It takes a pandemic to see how bad it is.

[@AfkaSound]

That German accent was cringe af once but he just couldnt stop. Oh my. The pain.

[@justintyler4814]

I said this after the first time he did it. After the last I was just throwing up in my mouth lol

[@noahaloah7802]

Nobody even laughed after the 2nd time, wtf was he even thinking

[@yoboi267]

God I had to mute it

[@yesneo6613]

Yo peeps. Quick question: can anyone tell me the long-term sideffects from this jab? (Spoiler alert - you can't)

[@ActualJusticeWarrior]

Hey just a heads-up I'm not anti-vax, I got it myself

[@josephkerrigan733]

Hey Sean. :-)

[@fflanigan]

How do you sleep at night?

[@chetdesmond8320]

So you're just grifting then?

[@trihardcx6743]

@@fflanigan Why do you care how he sleeps? Kind of a weird question.

[@loreaver3882]

do you believe that the government owns individuals or do individuals own themselves?

[@blitz8425]

Hey Jack, do the voice again, I think it will land this time.

[@ehsan_kia]

I love how every time he did it, one of the panelists would make a joke subtly trying to let him know his shit isn't funny anymore, yet he didn't get it. I think everyone on that panel at some point made a comment about it lol

[@joecockrell6628]

Not only does this guy read Mandarin Chinese blogs he also has a grade A German accent.

[@TakeBackTheMoralOrder]

And he made sure we knew that.

[@Twistedhippy]

Wait, he's not German dude putting on an American accent? Mind blowing! :)

[@jamesheedrpg_god-boss3676]

he sounded more like a indian call senter guy than a german

[@Twistedhippy]

@@jamesheedrpg_god-boss3676 Hahaha!

[@arisrayden]

don't forget he knows something about programming

[@paulalcohol]

AJW and Destiny should debate on livestream. Too many people here, not enough AJW commentary.

[@WoopyGoldbergsHair]

You put a seat belt on to make sure the person you are running into doesn’t die - great logic there.

[@occasional_doomer]

I’m glad at least someone publicly challenged Posobiec’s braindead “regime politics” nonsense. It’s a line I am hearing more and more from right wing people and it baffles me how such a childish lense of analysis can be taken seriously by so many. The fact that posobiec repeatedly resorted to Nazi doctor impersonations instead of arguments shows how seriously he should be taken.

[@hugo3627]

It is funny because Germany is in many ways way more free than america is.

[@harpsmith8570]

What exactly is regime politics?

[@sterd1149]

@@harpsmith8570 From what I've gathered so far in the video, it seems to be a combination between the Deutsche concept of Realpolitik and Machiavellianism.

[@joeyhauser4545]

Is it just me or does it sound kind of like he's trying to say its the jews without saying jews

[@occasional_doomer]

@@harpsmith8570 There is no coherent concepts underlying it. They use it as thought killing word to push a grand narrative of how the world is scheming against conservatives. They use the term “Regime” essentially in place of “elites.” The “regime” wants trump to lose. The “regime” rigged that election and it wants to control us with vaccine mandates. The “regime” wants to destroy traditional values and seeking to oppress conservatives. Every event is viewed with the assumption that the “regime” is rigging the game, and therefore any action in retaliation (like attacking the capital to overturn an election) is justified.

[@Kayzewolf]

“That’s not a great analogy” = “I only think in rhetoric”

[@Metonymy1979]

Fantastic job

[@Goodwarrior12345]

when Jack mentioned C++ routines, I felt that

[@QuixEnd]

I love Chats reaction every time that dude goes off on a completely irrelevant tangent. "baaaaased. Wait what? TRUEEE the Mississippi River IS hard to divide!"

[@HighFromCost]

Chat was going off this entire stream lmao. Had me laughing every time I looked at it

[@HighFromCost]

@@JINX1441 haha, they were calling him out before he even got started by the last couple times he put on the glasses

[@invisiblespeedrc]

America isn’t collectivist? Try kneeling for the national anthem. See how that works out for you.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

I can only image how hard conservatives would try to cancel all the kids & high schoolers that refuse to stand for the pledge at school + sports games.

[@servoaugusta513]

There were plenty boycotts against people who knelt during the anthem dude.

[@takeshikovach5165]

@@blondymonk1535 yeah, but apparently you can't criticise Dave Chappelle, because that's cancellation. Or pewdiepie, or a movie, or anything for that matter.

[@invisiblespeedrc]

@@blondymonk1535 the left? Was Kaepernick not cancelled? I haven't seen him play since then...

[@spacetoast7783]

@@butternutsauce "cancel" doesn't mean "vaporize"

[@rafisanders]

Good debate, I'm conservative. But I love watching you debate. I think it makes me rethink and try to update my opinions.

[@78skj]

Watching Destiny debate is like watching Eminem rap, so fast, so brilliant, almost rhythmic. What a bloody genius!

[@eli8069]

😂

[@MinecraftGod69420]

"If you live in a free society you take the risk of catching a transmission virus everytime you walk out your door" so by this logic you also take a risk of crashing eveytime you get into a car. Does that mean you shouldn't have any safety measures when it comes to driving? Jsut because we are taking on the risk doesn't mean we shouldn't do things to lower that risk.

[@knes167]

Disagree. I'm not through with the video yet but that's a bad comparison. Connecting a virus is something that happens passively, getting a car crash would be multiple operator errors. If you made the parallel "contracting virus vs someone crashing into YOU etc-- so use safety measures." that'd be more whatever the word. Does any of this make sense or is it too rambly?

[@MinecraftGod69420]

@@knes167 I was comparing the safety measures of driving to the preventative measures for covid. Not comparing covid to driving necessarily

[@MinecraftGod69420]

I wasn't comparing driving to catching the virus.

[@knes167]

@@MinecraftGod69420 Ah, safety measures not occurrence. Im thinking, supposed to be working right now haha

[@MinecraftGod69420]

@@knes167 np dude I can see how you read it that way lol

[@Tdiesel2679]

Dude on the left with the sunglasses is like a cringy 7 year old that doesn't know when to stop the Nazi bit because he got a laugh in the first 3 seconds, but then kept doing it for another 30 minutes.

[@Revelatus]

d.gg chat during the chinese bank robberies comment was the best part of this debate

[@nickamador8809]

Destiny and AJW are my fav boys and honestly I thought it was an entertaining debate more than anything

[@the-renegade]

Well, another "BETTER DISCOURSE," guys. Let's hope for the best! 😈

[@nuts7730]

I sure hope they have a healthy disagreement

[@chipdonovan1773]

More liek BITTE DISCOURSE! Amirite das kinders? 😎

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

Sigma male Jack checking out Sara's feet as soon as she walks out. 😎

[@ksilva2848]

Massive COOMER energy

[@edghhfdchjnmmm]

LOL

[@choggerboom]

It was amazing to feel just how further along the room would die with each subsequent event of Regime Jack sharing aloud his terrible German accent. You couldn’t find deader air in space

[@MRGoods89]

Did Destiny make an argument for less fed/more local government at about the 21 minute mark?

[@wd6281]

He made an argument that Americans need to pay attention more to local government, cause a vast majority don’t

[@Unofficial_Bob]

The “Houston doesn’t have zoning” argument is so old. Houston doesn’t call it “zoning” but the strict deed restrictions does the same thing as zoning

[@zer0nix]

Didn't stop the west texas fertilizer explosion of 2013

[@SillverBel]

"Obesity is not contagious." A moment of silence for this lady, wow.

[@guitarflori]

To be fair: It is contagious. It is just contagious by social selection and influence as opposed to a virus.

[@SillverBel]

@@guitarfloriYea, but people have greater expressed agency in getting a fucking vaccine that allows us to see clear direct results. It's a minimum viable step in the right direction, just like setting a good example of clean eating for your children.

[@guitarflori]

@@SillverBel Agree!

[@hawkxlr]

@@guitarflori This definition of "contagious" is so broad that it's been rendered utterly useless as a term.

[@jacobhealy8376]

@@hawkxlr lmaoooo if you think being fat is contagious your intellectually dishonest

[@jeremiahbecker4761]

Surprise, Surprise. The conservative panel went straight to the "It's their fault we're like this," argument.

[@toads807]

Jesus. The secondary embarrassment I feel from Posobec makes this almost unwatchable