Rebuilding the 204DTD engine in my Jaguar F-Pace (Part 2)

[@timmiller2460]

You are a brave man! Hope your persistence paid off and 10 months later the car is still ok.

[@Escygt]

There's a follow up video where it breaks again. It's been on a low loader twice this year so it's been trouble. I really like the car but wouldn't do it again!

[@timmiller2460]

@@Escygt. Thanks. I’ve just watched it. Timing chains are probably the most notorious part of this engine as I expect you know. I believe Jaguar now send out a modified beefed up timing chain system. Hopefully you now have a decent engine! I did wonder if the noise in this video was timing chain but being a 10 month old video I didn’t mention it. Ignoring your hours, I guess you still have a pretty cheap F-Pace with a rebuilt engine now. People say you can’t rebuild modern diesels yourself and this example was a very poor starting point with its cack handed previous rebuild. All credit to you. (You could get an oil sample analysis done to see how it is fairing now).

[@Escygt]

@@timmiller2460 I did do an oil analysis sample after it was rebuilt and the results were good. I haven't done well out of it financially it's been one problem after the other, by the time it's sorted the arse has dropped out of the market. I've spent more than I could sell it for at this point.

[@_Mark_H]

A brilliant pair of videos and a real credit to your persistence. I think generally these engines are a bit agricultural sounding. Maybe there’s some grommets missing in the bulkhead or something, failing that just crank up the radio 😊 Top work as always though 👍🏼👍🏼

[@Escygt]

Thanks. With the radio on it sounds perfect 😂

[@jamesm90]

Well done for doing all that! Those eniges are noisy mine was.

[@chrisjones8979]

Great content, good luck 👍

[@Escygt]

Thank you

[@me-us1lw]

I recently sold my 2.0 xf diesel. I had zero problems with the jaguar 2.0 engine. You must change oil on them every 10k though. Ignore the 21k interval 👍 . Took family to south of Italy in mine and it ran like a dream on the auto stradas and the mountain passes 🤷. The 2.0 engines are a little rough sounding when cold, and if you've removed the sound damping then that may account for any excess noise. That did sound a bit louder than mine did tbh.

[@Escygt]

It's definitely louder than it should be. I've just pulled the engine back out to replace the chains and VVT actuator, hopefully that'll improve things. I agree with you on the service intervals.

[@g-mailglongaviki4157]

Mileage?

[@Escygt]

@@g-mailglongaviki4157 mine is on 120k

[@timbo19751975]

10k isnt frequent enough on this engine. 7 - 8k MAX

[@me-us1lw]

@@timbo19751975 whatever mate 🤷🤦

[@Sealing0121]

Great work

[@stephenstrassen1135]

take one for a test drive from a garage thatll give an idea.. use maybe thicker oil?,, my merc sounds great so i was hoping these would sound the same

[@The_Saxon_of_Riverstone]

Nice! Very complicated motor… for me just a wonder how you done that.

[@matthewcampbell3391]

Great work mate what are the cylinder head bolt spec please I can find it

[@laurencelackey8914]

I had to replace my fpace engine. 68000 miles on old engine which was running like Riverdance! Remanufactured engine from Jaguar, just over £5500. Fitted by a land rover engineer for £1200. Saved all the work. The mechanic who seen it initially said ingenium engines were absolute crap. Change oil every 8-10000 miles as opposed to 21000 miles intervals. Saves a world of misery

[@Escygt]

Replacement engines don't come cheap. How many miles have you put on the replacement?

[@laurencelackey8914]

@@Escygt I've about 3000 miles on my engine now. Problem with the ingenium engine, is that they come in so many variations. Inverse, transverse, 2 wheel drive, 4 wheel drive connections. I tried to buy a second hand one, but because my motor was AWD, they were like hens teeth! Prices second hand were also sky-high. £4.5k for one with 30k miles. £1k more to buy remanufactured from jaguar, with a 2 year warranty was the easiest choice. Expensive lark, this driving!

[@Escygt]

@@laurencelackey8914 I wasn't aware you could buy re-manufactured from Jaguar. Used prices are sky high, just goes to show how unreliable they are.

[@laurencelackey8914]

@@Escygt I found that also. Biggest problem was sourcing an AWD drive engine. Hence going to Jaguar themselves. To be fair to them, their remanufactured engines are well priced and come with a 2 year warranty. However, I'm also involved in litigation with Jaguar as, in my opinion, their engines shouldn't be wearing so quickly. My intention is to replace oil at 9000 mile intervals as opposed to the 21000 mile interval they state. Oil is degraded by surplus diesel being returned to the engine when dpf regenerates. 21000 miles is excessive, in my opinion.

[@Escygt]

@@laurencelackey8914 I agree, that's part of why I took the DPF out.

[@PGriff]

Hey, cheers for the update, glad it’s all back together and working. That balance shaft looked a proper nightmare! As well as the lack of injector sound deadening, do you think you could be getting extra noise from the modified DPF? Strikes me you’ve essentially turned it into a giant resonator without the internal bits to quiet everything down… It’s probably a bit late now, but maybe worth getting a mechanics stethoscope on it to confirm/deny. If it is that you could always whip it back off and weld in a couple of braces to stop the walls wobbling around so much… Hope it all carries on running well for you 👍

[@Escygt]

That balance shaft was a total bastard. Could have cried when I broke my special tool on it. I hadn't thought about the hollow DPF being why it's loud but it does make sense. Thanks for pointing it out.

[@_Mark_H]

I was going to mention the hollow DPF as a possible echo chamber. Maybe straight piping it and put the body of the DPF housing back for aesthetic purposes 🤔

[@liridoni123]

He not timing balance shaft proper

[@Escygt]

@@liridoni123 what makes you say that?

[@liridoni123]

@@Escygt because l repair one off those engine and I don't find ho to set balance shaft property with crankshaft .

[@stephenstrassen1135]

i have a chance of 2016 that needs the big ends sorting a company car 135k miles but after seeing your pain with this and how noisey they im a bit worried or put off , real shame as i love the style oif these ,at the moment im driving an e350 amg no issues but want an suv due to bad health and my age.. iv looked at alsort but these stand out in style

[@darkwaterblue]

Christ that went south quick! With those taper fit things I have had success with heat along with a puller, hard when some clown has been to town in the before you.

[@Escygt]

Yeah it was a nightmare, so frustrating. Couldn't use a puller on it because the engine block is in the way

[@darkwaterblue]

@@Escygt Having watched it all I would say don't try to pick it apart due to a sensitive ear, been there done that you go insane. It is what it is. Not great engines and not refined like some other modern diesels (Ford wet belt EcoBlue engines for example all you can hear is the injectors at tick over, mental). Just enjoy it 👌

[@jedi-mic]

You could have separated the shaft if you heated up the gear and cold water on the shaft and then given it a wack how much set you back altogether? I've seen them in auctions they can't even sell for seven grand. I think you might be right might be a piece at the back of the engine near the firewall that is aluminium insulated felt probably was taken off and never put back but that's a bit of a guess but sounds logical

[@Escygt]

I paid 8k but it was a year ago, back then they started at around 15k

[@OUTANDBAD33]

I boy how I would love for you to help me, can't find a trusting mechanic out there, so many scammers... My engine run out of oil without giving me a low oil level warning, Jaguar XE... I need help, any advice...

[@speedyrules7]

You done a good job but im pretty sure you didnt activate the top tensioner properly. Youve got to put it in a vice first to push the washer over the lip before tensioning or it wont release

[@speedyrules7]

You can so this with just the top cover off and this should sort the noise

[@Escygt]

@@speedyrules7 thanks for the reply. I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Since this video I've had the engine back out and changed the chains again. I bought a new chain kit, the tensioner had like a spring clip which I pinched together to release it.

[@freenergyterminator]

Regarding the balancer there are torches that cost nothing everywhere those days.... Heat up the sprocket and that's all it needs

[@Escygt]

I did heat it up, didn't work.

[@jamesellis3904]

Did you replace the cam chain with new kit? Please don't tell me you refitted the old one??

[@daniellangtree5575]

How’s it running now? Are you still experiencing the same noise?

[@martynwellfair8615]

Hi there..I need to change the turbo on my jag XE 204dtd...is there anything that will become an issue when doing so ? many thanks

[@Escygt]

@@martynwellfair8615 it's a straight forward job but sometimes the turbo going damages other things. The guy who I bought my car off was told the turbo had blown when he got the car, it needed a full engine rebuild

[@martynwellfair8615]

@@Escygt Thanks very much for your reply..Yes I assumed something else was causing the turbo to fail...Thanks again! good video, il watch it fully through both parts when the Mrs goes to work ! 😀

[@williambaird8807]

Do the injectors need coded?

[@Escygt]

Yes

[@ashishm6103]

Great video mate.. i am in a similar situation with my jag engine. Would you be willing to take that on? Have spoken with loads of shops but most look like they either don't want to touch it or ready to rip you off.

[@Escygt]

I don't work on cars for other people. What if it all went wrong?! I've heard that Jaguar now do reconditioned engines for £5000, seems reasonable compared to the cost of used ones being around £4000

[@panamericaco]

@@Escygt 5k is reasonably but then again should be free since they are crap from the get go. Mine needs new timing chain and balancing shafts at 35k miles and just out of warranty of course. Been thinking of doing it myself but I bought a newer car to be done fixing every weekend. I assume it's the long oil change intervals that kills them.

[@Escygt]

@@panamericaco yes, the long service intervals are definitely part of the problem. How many services has yours had at 35k miles?

[@panamericaco]

@@Escygt it was the 2nd or 3rd service. They were done to spec, unfortunately i bought it used at around 20some thousand miles. I used to live in Canada and all cars there get oil changes every 5000 km, or 3500 miles. But the cars there go forever. If I had owned my Jag from new I would do just that and probably not have any problems.

[@panamericaco]

@@EscygtOh and the dealer says I can expect 10 to 20 percent coverage of the repair cost as goodwill. At 5k I'd still just sell the car I think but the market right now is bad for buying used or new

[@amytsod]

Hello, a bit off topic here but can’t find info online. I have a 204dtd with an automatic gearbox which needs to be replaced. I have found crashed f-pace with a good engine but manual gearbox. Do you know by any chance if those can be swapped? Thanks

[@amytsod]

I mean can engines be swapped

[@Escygt]

@@amytsod yes, you just need to swap some bits over from one to the other like the flex plate and torque converter instead of a flywheel and clutch

[@amytsod]

@@Escygt thank you

[@michade8442]

That enginge sounds like sh!t tbh, mine was sounding exactly like that just a few secs before it seized :/ those engines are very tricky to be rebuilt properly from what i heard in the workshop that rebuilds them.

[@Escygt]

It's got an exhaust leak in this video plus the phone mic makes it sound worse but it does sound ropey. I've done 2000 miles in it, have had the oil tested and there's no metal in it so mechanically I think I'm good.

[@therealcyrus]

how is the v6 supercharged version on reliability? looking to get one right now and skeptical of reviews

[@Escygt]

I've got no experience of it but think it's decent, especially compared to the 2.0 diesel

[@ewankettles7161]

Did you need to use a puller to remove the injector when you got blow by? Or did it pull out ok?

[@Escygt]

@@ewankettles7161 had to use a slide hammer

[@ayres6727]

how much do you charge to fix the engine?

[@Escygt]

I don't work on other people's cars

[@Draxindustries1]

That's very much louder than it should be. The dpf delete isn't the cause, this sounds mechanical contact issues. A shame putting in so much work ends with a pretty much unsaleable car..

[@Escygt]

Have you got experience with these engines?

[@jagvolvo33]

hi i know you said you dont want do anyone elses but what would you charge just to change a chain on one ?

[@Escygt]

@@jagvolvo33 haven't given it any thought to be honest. What are you getting quoted?

[@jagvolvo33]

@@Escygt Ive got a 2016 2.0d with 60k runs spot on atm, but deff want to change the chain and guide az have heard the original are the problem ,anyway havnt been quated but everyone is saying around £2000.if i bought the parts what would you want if i pay you cash and you could do it whenever it suits you kinda thing az ive got another car to run about in ?

[@Escygt]

@@jagvolvo33 the problem is liability. I don't have any insurance. I saw a video on tik tok of a Discovery 5 come in for a chain, they compression tested it, engine down on 2 cylinders (which is why it was loud, not the chain). If I just change the chain on it, 2 months later the engine won't start any more due to the compression and I'm on the hook.

[@jagvolvo33]

@@Escygt what if i check compression first and the deal would be az long az it starts first time and no issues for first day youve done good gob kinda thing if that worried id sign to say thats thats the DEAL OR im not bad with spanners my self and thinking maybe i should diy it myself what about if i was to pay you to zoom/facetime me thro it kinda thing .rather go with you coz you made couple mistakes and are very unlikly get cought out again kinda thing ,how much did you fork out for the locking kit?

[@Escygt]

@@jagvolvo33 the kit was on ebay, think it was around £180. I don't want to get involved working on other people's cars, I wish you all the best with it

[@dasas-h7d]

Hello, good afternoon. Sir, I have a question about the new engine that I am installing. The liners he put on the cylinders were the same as the factory ones. Or I assemble some with burrs, the ones that come already finished.

[@Escygt]

@@dasas-h7d I'm not sure what you are asking?

[@dasas-h7d]

@@Escygt Sorry, I'm from the Canary Islands and I use Google Translate. I have a 2017 Jaguar F Pace. In my case, when the turbo broke, oil entered the pistons. And a cylinder liner was damaged. That's why I wanted to know what type of liners you installed in the engine block. Or if a turner machined them. Thanks for showing your work. It helps me a lot, except that there are things that I don't know how you did them or if you ordered them to be done. Still, thank you again for your work and congratulations on your perseverance.

[@Escygt]

@@dasas-h7d the previous owner paid a local machine shop to install them. You should watch my other videos, this engine blew up and I think the cause was actually one of these liners.

[@dasas-h7d]

@@Escygt Yes I have seen the other videos. And yes I also think the same. I think that the excess heat in the piston that ignited was due to a failure in the mechanics. Maybe they didn't leave enough clearance for the pistons. Thank you and I will be attentive to the evolution of the engine that you finally installed. It's a shame that there aren't many spare parts around here and bringing them is very expensive, so I wanted to save the engine I have. A greeting and thank you very much for your help.

[@kirwanjohn101]

I have the same engine in a jaguar xf. Your jeep sounds very noisey, that are not that noisey.

[@Escygt]

Yeah, it failed after 10k miles. I've done another video on it

[@CatNMrDJ]

Hello Sir, I have the exact same vehicle, same year but only US Spec. I was driving her around 80mph and all of a sudden, it sounded like I had a set of Headers on her. I had no choice but to drive her home which was about 40 miles at the slowest of pace. I'm wondering what you think it is; could it be the DPF with a cracked filter or could it be a crack in the exhaust manifold? I plan on removing the DPF and manifold if necessary in my garage but it's winter time and cold as heck, so I'll wait til it warms a bit. But in your expert opinion, what do you think blew to instantly go from quiet to loud as heck like a set of Headers. And the sound is from the front, not the exhaust piping or muffler. Thank you in advance. Mr DJ

[@Escygt]

I'd start off by checking your oil level and opening up the oil filter and checking for metal debris.

[@pawellolek]

Hi. How can You find out the torque settings ? for Head and main cap bolts ? Thanks!

[@Escygt]

Hi Paul, the workshop manual is available for free on various websites and it's all in there.

[@pawellolek]

@@Escygt I did look everywhere , but couldnt not find any manuals 😞I found only for petrol engine, not the ingenium 2.0 diesel.

[@CristianGeorgeCristofir]

Hello, Is true that at 2.0d you need to change the oil solenoid at every 60k km?

[@Escygt]

Not heard that before.

[@lukabilic6081]

Can I ask you, if you could possibly know this, what are the differences between the 204 ps and 240 ps ingenium diesel engines? I do know the ingenium engines were made to be modular and to have many interchangeable parts. Does this mean that if I get the new head gasket, twin turbo, injectors etc. I could, hypothetically speaking, upgrade my 204 ps (well 180 ps but it's MHEV so...) ingenium to 240 ps ingenium? Or is the 240 ps engine completely new engine block with completely different setup that cannot be cramped up in the XE model.

[@Escygt]

@@lukabilic6081 I think it's largely the same but I remember reading through the workshop manual and saw something that was different which made me question if my remap was a sensible idea. Can't remember exactly, think maybe they run different tolerances on the crank bearings.

[@lukabilic6081]

@@Escygt my guess as well. I will ask the chief mechanic at the local JLR center what he knows about this. Assuming the engine block is the same and there are no big differences in sensors and locations for other required parts it might be possible to do what I want. Reconstruct 240 ps diesel engine, couple it with the MHEV, add stronger cooler, add methanol water injection (to cool down cylinders prior the ignition), replace the catalyst with the bigger one and last but not least, add heat insulation on the entire exhaust system to help the DPF and catalyst so that I can actually meet the exhaust limits. This could easily squeeze out 300-350 ps (before the MHEV is included) out of the engine. I guess this could easily squeeze out everything out of my wallet as well... For now, this is not something I will be doing any time soon. But thank you for your response. If I ever do this - I will document my suffering in the form of youtube channel and read billions of comments "why just not buy petrol XE S" :)

[@daniellangtree5575]

What was the original reason the engine was rebuilt

[@Escygt]

The guy I bought it off said the turbo blew and it had damaged pistons and bores.

[@slavaardeni5179]

I own f pace 2016 2.0 diesel with 70K miles ,recently had to rebuild my engine due to compression lost in cylinder 4 . We have used only Genuine Jaguar parts for rebuild ... I was thinking about resleeve only one cylinder the worn one ,but local engine shop suggested to do all 4 new sleeves . Brand new oil pump ,new big end bearings ,brand new STD pistons ,everything was done the way jaguar manual written by with special tools for balance shaft timing so as lower&upper timing chain set up. Have spent well over 3K on parts alone . The outcome engine was put in back in the car and less than 500 miles engine is full of metal shavings !!! Very disappointing and expensive experience to me ... My local engineering shop cant explain the issue ... I would like to ask everyone of you folks who has similar issue what is the solution?? Maybe sleeves need to be heat treated ,or used special kind of metal like hardox? Any suggestions are welcome. Greetings from Ireland .

[@Escygt]

That's really unfortunate. Sounds a bit similar to the guy I bought this off, he rebuilt it only for a big end to start knocking. In that case I think it was down to silicone blocking an oil way. Possibly some metal debris wasn't cleared out properly after all the machining. I'm not completely out of the woods with my engine, the oil has been tested and there's no bearing material in it so I'm good there but it's louder than it should be, it does worry me.

[@DaleSteel]

Got ripped off on the crank

[@Escygt]

@@DaleSteel yeah, wasn't happy with it but it wasn't a problem in the end

[@savageoutletltd9939]

👍

[@t5jerry]

Oh god ! The sound DOES come thru clearly and it sound bloody awful😮😮

[@Escygt]

It's definitely not right but it does sound worse in the video. My phone doesn't do a good job of recording the sound. Saw an F Pace with a very quieter engine, took a video and it sounded shit when I watched the video back.

[@t5jerry]

Not sure if your an" additive person" or not, I use ceratec in my 211000 mile VW, and when I park it next to other VW's with the same engine with half the mileage of mine, mine is far quieter, some people swear by it, or at it, some people call it snake oil, but it makes my diesel engines, quieter and more responsive, or it could all be a placebo dream.......

[@nightstorm9128]

That mark on the crank,,if you can feel it with your nail your gonna have problems down the road,,

[@Escygt]

It's done about 7000 miles and I sent the oil off for analysis

[@jamesm90]

The jaguar forums are full of people with ingenium 2.0d engine failures at 60k+ ish miles. They're powerful and economical but 💩 engines for longevity.

[@larrysimon1]

My God ! What a disaster ..................please just spend the money and buy a Good 2nd hand engine.

[@DaleSteel]

There is NO good engines

[@enricolessanutti4988]

conviene sbarazzarsi di tutto ciò che è Tata; altro che Jaguar e Land Rover, costruttori scomparsi da decenni che sopravvivono soltanto come marchi commerciali in mano Tata

[@tonyford7987]

The Ingenium engine is an absolute bag of s h I t !

[@Escygt]

I can't argue with you. Had another major failure since this video. I need to upload part 3

[@georgeross9834]

Sounds worse in small garage

[@Escygt]

It was never quite right. It blew up again after 10k miles, cylinder liner dropped. I've done a new video on that.

[@nickyborrisino]

Looking at your setup(tools) and lack of knowledge, take it to a professional.

[@Escygt]

You only get the knowledge from having a go. What's wrong with my tools?

[@nickyborrisino]

@@Escygt when you end up damaging more parts in order to replace a few, there’s a problem. Get a better feel for when to use a hammer and how much to use it. Your lucky you are working on a modern engine and can still source parts. The engines I work on are antique with very few replacement parts available so breaking anything is not an option. Also, get a good torch, that’s the first thing I would have gone with to break loose those gears from the taper ends.

[@Escygt]

@@nickyborrisino it was over tightened by the previous person that worked on it.

[@nickyborrisino]

@@Escygt heat would have worked better than hammer blows.

[@Escygt]

@@nickyborrisino I tried heat. When I cut it off I put it in my hydraulic press. It took 8 tons to get it off.

[@majorrgeek]

next time buy a more reliable car

[@Escygt]

I bought it broken to fix it

[@Jocek17]

sounds like crap if you ask me

[@Escygt]

Yeah, it does in that video. I hadn't set the chain tensioner correctly. It sounds decent now.