Film Theory: Star Wars is DEAD... Here's How to Fix It! (The Acolyte)

[@AmayaIsOkay]

"Marvel, don't bring Robert Downey Jr out of nowhere." Ha. Hahahahaha

[@ryanmorris3114]

FT: 'No but seriously dont bring back RDJ out of nowhere...' 2 weeks later Feige: Guess who's back ....

[@DarkerSamurai]

Back again

[@AussieGuy-qb8mh]

@@DarkerSamuraishady’s bsck

[@JanMiguelBaltazar]

@@AussieGuy-qb8mhtell a friend

[@DarkerSamurai]

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[@PratzStrike]

@@DarkerSamurai guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back da-na-na na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na

[@gamingonamonday6342]

"Where we still pretend to open automatic doors with the force." *Ive NEVER felt more called out...*

[@MadelynnTurner-nx8vt]

Who's Ive

[@Ekipsogel]

@@MadelynnTurner-nx8vtit’s probably supposed to be I’ve, a contraction of I have

[@AstroPlungermanOfficial]

Same

[@ngrjordi2352]

​@AUTTP봇you're good boy

[@ngrjordi2352]

​@AUTTP봇thanks for the warning

[@danzy2plays788]

10:35 oh dear... that didnt age well

[@freemakerthings4518]

At least Chris got be in Deadpool as the Human Torch, cause he was the Tuman Torch before, and it was pretty funny. Not sure about Robert's Doom, can't wait to see how it goes.

[@JasmineOdora]

I was just thinking the same thing! I’m kinda behind on the Theorist videos, catching up while working today. And as soon as he said Downey’s name I started laughing!

[@WestonShankweiler]

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[@redjaypictures4528]

This might seem a bit unorthodox but from what i see, what made pre-disney star was as successful as it was, is that it actually WENT TF AWAY for a bit between trilogies, giving fans some time to breathe and writers a longer period to fine-tune their concepts, disney is making too much too fast and it is bloody SHOWING

[@timothyserabian5103]

I’ve been saying the same thing for a LOOOOONG time with not just Star Wars, but a lot of other shows and franchises like Marvel, DC, Star Trek, and MythBusters (VERY personal example). We see it time and again: a LACK of content makes fans WANT it more. Give some time to make us want it, or take the time to PLAN something special, and then let it go. Cows need resting time before they can be milked again, and so do franchises.

[@athatcher9367]

I disagree. A lot of people talk about the idea that people get sick of different series if a lot gets released and while I understand that conceptually, I don’t think any of the series people normally talk about in that vein (Marvel for example) actually had that issue, the issue was not that they were releasing stuff quickly, but that they were trying to release stuff quickly, if that makes sense. Like, if 12 very good final products all come out in the same year you’re not gonna see anywhere near the same amount of complaints as if 4 meh products are released in a year from a studio you know can do way better if they hadn’t rushed it.

[@modell1084]

It’s not that there’s too much it’s that they don’t have a vision or a story they are trying to tell. They just keep making shows at random points in the star wars lore. Giving any popular their own show just because people like them but there’s no purpose for it. Kinda like marvel now. No one knows what they are building up in to. There is no build up or payout in any of their movies.

[@pubcle]

I don't really agree. I mean yes it does help to have breaks to some degree, but really Star Wars was still going non-stop from about 1980 to 2014 in relatively smaller projects. There were over 800 Star Wars books released if you count the collections & dictionaries & such. That was a huge part of keeping it alive. The Star Wars The Roleplaying Game was MASSIVELY important to the development & continuation of Star Wars, it can be seen almost as the founding blocks of the EU & while significant portions of it would be retconned more still would be adopted to the screen & used thoroughly as the primary reference material for the early writings. The problem is that these are talentless hacks for whom the height of passion is essentially "oh yaasss Anakin was like so hawt & Padme was slay. Lightsabers are flashy." Most of them would be the same types who would mock nerds when it wasn't popular. They're tourists, at best. These are also people who have no idea how to even begin to budget these shows, much less write them. Some of them outright seem to hate the series & the people who enjoy it. It has nothing to do with too much too fast, Star Wars in 2000 was producing content at a ridiculous rate that in many ways outstrips Disney's productions, even if it was less in TV & more in games & books & comics. It has to do with the utter lack of any quality or care for the franchise or the fans, it is merely a skin suit to parade whatever they want & target to a completely different audience.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

That and they hate the fanbase they bought. I was out from Star wars when they ruined Luke in the sequel trilogy

[@nerdcoregaming6468]

When you know that FNAF has a clearer timeline, your IP has a problem.

[@INCAnitysy]

FNAF lore is smaller in scale compared to Star Wars. I think we should wait till the show ends and see if it solves the possible lore issues this series has created for now.

[@benclark4823]

Sounds like coop 🙄

[@historicflame972]

@@INCAnitysy And even then, it hasn't really created any

[@Funsakc2]

@@benclark4823cool*

[@the_alpha_arachnid4831]

gonna be honest...getting rid of the expanded universe was probably the best thing disney did for star wars. the legends continuity was...a mess and rebels was good...my compliments for disney star wars have run out

[@LabRatz-Ivor]

"im the spy" said hux after he eradicated an entire solar system

[@MysteryMusic512]

Still one of the dumbest plot points I’ve seen from Star Wars. This man destroyed an entire freaking solar system and ended millions, maybe even billions of lives without breaking a sweat and then that’s all tied up with a rushed 4 minute plot point trying to make some big change

[@brucardi]

⁠@@MysteryMusic512I mean I’m not defending the sequel trilogy but darth Vader committed mass genecide on the Jedi including the children and got to be redeemed.

[@davidlance5310]

@@MysteryMusic512 kinda a dumb moment but it was because he couldn’t work with Kylo any longer

[@Nintendoggy]

They should've handled Hux like they handled Admiral Rampart.

[@historicflame972]

@@MysteryMusic512 In fairness, they make it pretty clear they don't want to redeem him It's just that the whole thing IS STILL so badly done that the only thing it was good for was telling british football fans you want italians to win just so the brits won't

[@jeffyng8658]

Ki Adi not being alive during the High Republic isn't even the dumbest thing about his inclusion. It's the fact that in the prequels he doubts the return of the Sith even though he's present in the scene during the Acolyte where they're discussing the emergence of a Sith character

[@ked49]

What sith? In the acolyte only one with was shown and only for two seconds

[@patrickshores4118]

He doesn't know it's a sith. Just a fallen Jedi or something similar. And his age has never been reestablished in canon.

[@SlightyLessEvolved]

Also, it's only like, what, 100 years before the prequels? Plenty of species are long-lived enough for that to work, not just Yoda's.

[@evanlight2550]

@@SlightyLessEvolved even more so if they’re force-sensitive. Both in Legends and Canon, a force user can extend their lives longer than their species is naturally.

[@tomcoyle3609]

You're righ!t! The conversation they are discussing is about a force wielding assassin killing jedi.. might not be a 'sith' but it's certainly something of concern.. is this the only one? Where are they being trained? I get that the jedi are arrogant and nieve. They explored that in the prequels.. it's so dumb!

[@phillipbooth787]

fun fact: "Continuity Checker" is an actual job title in the writing room.

[@arcage_0132]

I think they forgot to hire that one

[@Derp-rz1nn]

Not in the Disney writing room 😭

[@Yusufqxq]

Contunity editors back in the old EU.

[@danielcarrera886]

Is there a lore checker? Because just like the continuity checker they have forgotten about everything about the lore and consistency of it

[@Yusufqxq]

​@@danielcarrera886 Back then there was Leland Chee whose s job was just that.Back then as in before the Disney takeover.

[@NITROJACKALOPE]

I am convinced Disney is incapable of separating good and bad faith criticism. They so consistently blame bad faith criticism for their shortcomings i am convinced they are *relying* on it.

[@stevenleonard6665]

I agree with this. There is genuinely a lot of bad faith criticism out there, but you can't lump it all together. I do also feel like the dialogue in these has just taken a downturn (comparing to other TV shows with this kind of budget). I assume this is due to the "content factory" nature the streamer is creating, causing placeholder lines/story beats to go into production.

[@azpont7275]

Nah. They (think) grew so big that they no longer HAVE to care. Disney just consolidated so much of the industry if any outlets badmouth them they can just push their own propaganda in their own channels.

[@jacksykes4680]

That’s literally what rage baiting is, doing something on purpose to attract negativity

[@gardion160]

Disney Star wars is the only company that punishes you for watching its shows…

[@jacksykes4680]

@@gardion160 nah I’m along for the ride the whole way Love me some garbage and sometimes good stuff

[@existentialselkath1264]

Their biggest problem is writing. Each show seems to be a matter of having a few 'cool' or 'iconic' moments with no care put into getting between them. Provide a good story and people will come.

[@adam6620]

This @Blue-qr4fi guy is a frikin bot. Report him NOW. He’s spamming.

[@ricknroll08]

What about andor

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@ricknroll08 Andor is the exception. It's very well written and people love it for it. It fills a niche though in the community and the younger or more casual audience still doesn't really have anything.

[@jmac356]

You shouldn't have one or two iconic moments when literally the whole story can be iconic.

[@tomspiegel5322]

The biggest problem is that they will never care because their main focus will always be on pushing their destructive ideology on a built-in audience. Star Wars is only a vehicle for their preaching, and if they weren't working on Star Wars, they'd be working on Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel, whatever.

[@komagama3907]

10:24 huh.... would you know :D he was predicting the future :D

[@HerpDerpTheTank]

I cackled when he said that. If only he knew what was about to happen three weeks later. Man, Disney hit the panic button on that one.

[@Yuukichan1888]

The problem with star wars is its being handled by people who have admitted that they don't know star wars and don't like it either

[@Writhagon319]

Disney isn't letting it die they keep kicking the corpse 💀

[@gardion160]

Disney Star wars is the only company that punishes you for watching its shows…

[@robertagren9360]

​@@MusberAUTTPyou want to hear a bot joke? I discord

[@homerman76]

@@robertagren9360 TF2

[@FrostWolfPack]

Aand the leader ship has admiutet that they hate HATE the OG fans

[@emily_cheese3146]

I’ve noticed that Disney in general has been struggling with movies recently. Just looking at movies like Wish, Ant Man: Quantumania, and the live-action Little Mermaid, Disney has been struggling to reach that level of success with fans that they did for decades. I think that the problem is that Disney is only doing what they believe will make them more money rather than what is actually best to create. For example with Star Wars, there are TONS of Star Wars fans out there-myself included-so Disney probably saw that and decided that a good way to make more money would be to just make more Star Wars without having-like Lee says-a clear plan. I hope Disney can start listening to the fans again and stop just making sequels and remakes and go back to making movies that are (mostly) original stories like they were able to do with the Disney Princesses. There are *PLENTY* of Fairytales that exist that Disney could probably make a pretty good movie about but they first need to realize that sequels, prequels, and remakes are not doing the best right now. But that’s just my opinion!

[@robertagren9360]

It's not about money. They don't care about it. It's about sending a message

[@Altmetalpunk]

With marvel, it had a LOT to do with the release schedule that chapek set up and the massive amount of executive meddling. Like making watiti cut out over a half hour of the film that was some of the most important character building in the film from love and thunder, and upping the release schedule from 2 films and 2 series a year to 4 films and at least 4 series a year.

[@kevinbexley7367]

It's a publicly traded company, they are by law required to do whatever neccessary to increase shareholder's profits every quarter.

[@ASSASSIN79100]

@@robertagren9360 What do you mean by message?

[@ASSASSIN79100]

@@Altmetalpunk The problem with Marvel is that they don't work as standalones anymore or in a trilogy. It's more about fitting in with the MCU, than about making a great story that's got 2 legs it can stand on.

[@mattparsons6813]

I'm not sure if pointing out that fans ask questions like "How is this guy here when he hasn't been born yet?" is "lore obsessed". I feel like that's just people paying attention to the storyline and the writers aren't.

[@sonofpears4691]

If you are refering to Ki Ali Mundi, the information on his birthday was in legends which is non cannon

[@AwesomeMutation]

@@sonofpears4691 exactly. i have been telling people this since the day that episode drops.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@AwesomeMutationhow do disneys boots taste you sad excuse of a human being

[@usernamemayvary]

@@sonofpears4691 and on top of that it was only on a trading card that also listed his lightsaber as purple

[@gerstein03]

Having Mundi there at all actually is lore breaking because why didn't he speak up about that incident from way back where Jedi got merked by a dude with a red lightsaber

[@alexandercarter9598]

Can we just go back to when we thought Jar Jar was the death of Star Wars? We were so naive, we had no idea how much worse it would get.

[@catholiccontriversy]

One day the mask of the one in charge will fall off and we'll see Jar Jar Binks.

[@alexandercarter9598]

@@benjaminubben4436 The Prequels at least gave us memes and new elements that added to the universe. We got better lightsaber fights, improved force-based combat, and it's the reason we got the clone-wars explored at all, leading to the Clone-wars series. The Prequels gave us Darth Maul, Kenobi memes, Grievous, Palpatine memes, Windu, and so much more.... especially memes. The sequels gave us Mary sue, Boring clone, Darth Emo, force-healing, and force ressurection/superman flight in space.

[@Yecze]

@@alexandercarter9598I hate when people delete their comment

[@alexandercarter9598]

@@Yecze yeah...

[@LeonVor99]

As one of those lore obsessed star wars fans I want to speak on the Ki Adi Mundi Problem, but just briefly: The main issue is not really that he is alive during the time of the Acolyte. Yes, it contradicts with the previous canon established in the old EU, but in the new canon his age or year of birth were never specified. Therefore it can be possible for him to be there, even though it does leave a slightly bitter taste in my mouth. The real issue with Mundi's presence in the series is that his role in the cover up of the show's events calls into question his behavior in the Phantom Menace. In Episode 1 he is the one talking about how "the Sith have been extinct for a millennia". It sets the entire plot of the prequals into perspective and is a vital part of the narrative in Episode 1. The Sith, or similar dark side users, not being around for that long is part of the reason the Jedi don't believe Qui-Gon when he reports to the council about his duel with Maul. Due to this Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have to face Maul alone without any backup at the end of the movie, leading to Qui-Gon's tragic death. But now in the Acolyte, not only has a Sith/Darkside User revealed himself, no, multiple Jedi have died quite evidently at the hands of another force user. That alone should be cause for an outrage or outcry because during this time the Jedi were at their strongest, with basically no enemy or rival. One dead Jedi, let alone a whole platoon of them, should cause an investigation and be something the entire order is aware of. But somehow this gets completely swept under the rug and Ki Adi Mundi does not speak up about this during Episode 1? I am fine with some small inconsistencies. I am fine with some obscure lore not being kept in mind, or outdated lore being updated (like Mundi's age). But decisions which put the entire established canon into question like Osha and Mae being deliberate, immaculate conceptions has, to me at least, less to do with disorganization and more to do with people who either don't know star wars lore or with producers who simply do not care. Still great video and points from your end!

[@sillylocket]

sry you have to endure hate comments like this I think you make a really good point "Disney what are you doing?" Disney: "I have no idea" Fans "aaaaaaaaaaaaarggggggghhhhhhh"

[@kingofhearts3185]

I agree. I didn't realize his age was an issue, only saw people talking about his sith line in TPM. Because it genuinely makes very little sense for him to react that way given what's happening in the Acolyte.

[@allanbaker3958]

Maybe it goes to show the CORRUPTION of the Jedi Order? Like any large Organization, with power comes corruption. Them wanting to keep quiet any suspicions of weakness or another power that could rival them. THIS IS LITERALLY THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THE ONE JEDI LADY WHEN SHE'S ON SCREEN!!! How do none of the "fans" see this? This is deeper story telling than you are paying attention to.

[@Foxigan_XD]

Or they could say his race could live that long and expand the range of time the high republic has been around. But that would make mundi older than yoda!!!

[@Flixson]

Ki adi mundi doesn’t know about the dead Jedi (yet)

[@nickolasmachado5001]

10:15 funny seeing this after marvel announced Robert downy jr as the new dr doom

[@Coolcat9099]

That didn’t age well

[@devoid4661]

16:13 the irony of describing exactly why Disney has been failing seeing as they are the ones so concerned with appearances and check boxes that they forgot they have to actually have to make storylines and characters worth watching

[@justadude3789]

I find it really funny. It's like people are getting mad at the doctors who are pointing out the underlying cause of the symptoms and recommending a specific treatment based on it. While only preferring the ones who will point out the symptoms and try to treat that while outright ignoring the cause. So no matter what happens the sickness gets worse and worse.

[@woodchuck003]

Something tells me Film theory will label this as bad faith criticize. This video is acting like Star Wars being bad is an accident, they are doing it on purpose. Film Theory are only making themselves look bad by pushing the lie that the Disney Stat Wars criticizes are bad faith ad hominem.

[@maxmikester8185]

Film theory dropped the ball here obviously ignoring the real fact of woke culture affecting the writing and quality of the work. It’s not a conspiracy theory and has been proven fact and the fact they are omitting that and calling it bad faith feels like they are trying to not get cancelled.

[@kurtissanders7342]

You guys are awesome, I'm so glad to see this thread. I whole heartedly agree. If disney would focus on the source material and build on it they would have gold, instead they are focused on undermining the source material purposely because it doesn't fit their DEI/woke agenda. They are trying to force a narrative that no one wants or believes and until that stops they are incapable of telling a compelling story.

[@robertagren9360]

In fear of insult or offend anyone, you speaking may offend me. But it's only one direction.

[@joshuavarro8936]

7:40 it’s almost like Disney is intentionally trying to take our attention off of the sequels because of how bad they are.

[@lukelele7063]

not really. if anything they're drawing more attention to it by adding more context to palpatine's return through The Mandolorian and The Bad Batch

[@P3B11]

What sequels? there are no sequels xD

[@karlq7798]

The issue came down to two words (one of them is an acronym for three words), which are related, wokeness and DEI.

[@lukelele7063]

@@karlq7798 so original.

[@Truckkun5]

​@@lukelele7063tbh it's more the vandalism of people's work by people who don't care about what they have created, and create something without knowledge of the I.P.(There is that better?)

[@SalemArc]

At this point, I cannot be convinced that Disney is not actively trying to tank their IPs.

[@DigiThorn]

They’re chasing that ever mystical “modern audience” 😂

[@deaneagleton]

Warner Brothers too, idk what they keep doing with their ip

[@packagec]

@@deaneagletondon’t get me started on WB have you seen the batman beyond film they said no to

[@deaneagleton]

@@packagec I mean they also can movies for tax write offs even after the full film was done, surprised they didn't do that with the flash

[@Cacadoodoopoopoo]

@@SalemArc jklmnop

[@voidkingofswing]

Every day, a Star Wars fan says something on the internet along the lines of "Man, Star Wars would be so good if it was good."

[@paroxysm6437]

Na this is inaccurate. Think it’s more like Star Wars would be great if a soul sucking mega corporation didn’t have the rights to the IP

[@jordanmatthews1466]

And every day the soul-sucking mega corporation that binds our beloved in chains pulls her ever further from us and says "She belongs to ME now."

[@KuroOokami167]

The argument was actually that the franchise needs a solid plan so it can do better to tell an overall narrative. It was not just "get good," and if that's all you got from this you clearly didn't listen, which is a problem I notice more and more people seem to have. You hear something you don't like and you stop listening altogether just because they aren't agreeing with you 100%. If you instead took time and made yourself listen beyond your own bias you might actually discover some decent points being made by someone else, even if they come from an opposing viewpoint.

[@MikePhantom]

@@KuroOokami167 but thats NOT the core issue. the core issue is that people who actually hate starwars produce for it. Jon favroe is the only one that actually created something without destroying what was before. Even dave feloni did got sucked in into the circle of Kathleen jenna

[@vitormauch7367]

You say it as if it was never good, and that’s what we want, we want it to be good again.

[@Kyntteri]

"Shut up and consume our products" -Disney

[@OrbitCruz28]

Disney should not existed in the first place after what they did to 20th Century Fox.

[@Narmi804]

"Shut up fan, you're so toxic!" -Disney

[@kuramakitsune16]

What makes this hurt the most is that this should have been so easy. The scripts, lore, characters, and storylines were all there in the books. It was gifted to them on a golden platter that would have had fans lining up for miles to see their favorite eu characters on the big screen. They could have made it animated to compensate for the fact the actors are older. They may have been able to re-cast since fans would understand that the original actors are too old for the roles for live action. But no Disney belived they could do it better and drive a message and went in without a plan and are wondering why they are losing money on this. They could have even used Ahsoka, Ezra, and other Disney characters to replace the older actors and still done stuff like heir to the empire and Yuuzhan Vong when needed while introducing eu characters like Ben Skywalker and Jacen Solo.

[@LifeWithMatthew]

16:14 - One of the major issue around this discussion is how many people are lumped into the group of people who are acting on bad faith when they dive into all the technical issues with it. Too often the PR team is screaming review bombing from trolls and bigots when most the reviews are from people who are being vocal about the many legitimate issues surrounding this new franchise. When people blindly accept that position instead of looking at the content of the critique it kills discussion and we just get more of the confused mess we've gotten as of late.

[@ZEPR0FESS0RR]

They are pushing a message. If we do anything but love it, we are the bad guys

[@tylerduncanson2661]

If you think a review is in bad faith, you should be able to explain why it is wrong. If you can’t as the director/writer/producer of the movie, then it’s probably legitimate criticism.

[@robertagren9360]

​@@tylerduncanson2661that train gone long time ago. They had years upon years to not do what they did.

[@nieznajomy4398]

Unfortunately a lot of people get thousand or hundred thousand views on videos made in bad faith because algorithm love hate that creates engagement.

[@enespanolporfavor6263]

​@@nieznajomy4398 but the converse is also true... there are people who get tons of engagement on KZbin, Facebook, etc. by hating on the "haters" and defending Disney SW to the hilt.

[@kakarikokage2514]

The problem is bad writing and trying to cover it up with flashy visuals. All style, no substance.

[@lssjgaming1599]

I dislike how lightsabers are handled these days. There's a lot of non lethal slashes that should have realistically killed in older movies

[@what-un4yq]

And worse, yeah, they're breaking some fundamental things of lore without actually explaining any of it. Typically, in a story like Star Wars, when you break the rules, you have to explain it. It could be as simple as a McGuffin, but nothing was done in this case.

[@great-wyrmII]

Plus the style is also bad

[@Grzzgwzz]

Agreed. I don't see how better organization would fix the terrible writing.

[@dbagette]

The visuals aren't even that flashy when they're in the Volume

[@SeanMather]

There’s a solution that no one wants to really admit, not fans, not Lucasfilm, not Disney. Star Wars needs to go away. There needs to be nothing from the property, or next to nothing. Maybe just some video game remasters and Clone Wars: Special Editions. But ideally nothing. For years. Internally Lucasfilm would be building a new team up, putting in the work to create a strong plan, before they come back with a big event movie…. Star Wars: The Foundation of Everything that Comes Next (working title]. Ideally it would move say 100+ years into the future, beyond what happened in the sequel trilogy. Everyone is gone, it’s a true fresh start. And we’re all excited again. It yeah, they won’t do that because money.

[@ewoklord-726]

I agree that Star Wars going away for a while would be a VERY good thing, but I think a sequel entirely separate from what came before might be too far removed from everything the fans actually enjoy for it to be a hit. Both Episode I and Episode VII, movies that EVERYONE was excited for when they came out, were separate enough from the rest of the franchise to stand out, but were also still connected by returning characters from the originals. I’m just saying, while I think that would be a breath of fresh air, it also isn’t a perfect solution. But yes, Star Wars hiatus, PLEASE, give everyone a break! :)

[@Derp-rz1nn]

They need to pull a Halloween 2018, and just ignore the squeals they made in favor of new ones

[@MaticTheProto]

Bad take

[@dans0886]

I'm watching this literally on the same day RDJ returned out of nowhere to the MCU 😂

[@freeisnotenough]

Wanna fix Star Wars? Hire good writers

[@gabrielhoelzle8476]

Preferably ones that understand the lore and themes of the franchise, instead of people looking for a fancy vessel for their politics

[@Wombattuus]

@@gabrielhoelzle8476 No, just good writers.

[@vukmijatovic]

​@@gabrielhoelzle8476 tony gilroy wasent a star wars fan and he gave us rouge one

[@gabrielhoelzle8476]

@@vukmijatovic maybe, but he valued the main theme of fighting for freedom/inherited will and depicted the og characters with the respect they deserve

[@prannett]

Yes hire good writers! A few of them who are focused! Not a BUNCH of writers who cobble together a series

[@TheFlyingDogFish]

The problem is much deeper than that. Disorganization is just the tip of the iceberg. In order to fix Star Wars, they need to put people in charge that actually care about Star Wars, not just their own agenda. Of course they need to know the lore too.

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[@datonk4042]

finally someone who is saying something about the massive agenda and ego in these shows. everybody i have read so far here in the comments is not saying anything about the whole two female witches making kinds with only dna and the force like it makes ZERO SENSE but it fits lesley's idea so it was put in💀

[@enespanolporfavor6263]

Yeah this video gives a faulty diagnosis and thus a faulty prescription for fixing it. When the content is actually engaging and intelligent, no one cares about jumping back and forth on the timeline.

[@Sheoll6]

This is what they did, you are objectively wrong Star Wars is significantly more organized and streamlined than it ever was before, such as the High Republic Initiative. It used to be 30 years of disjointed unrelated contradicting stories, now there's a clear timeline and canon between projects written and directed by fans who love Star Wars and know more about it than any crybaby elitist who thinks they know better

[@Sheoll6]

​@@datonk4042It makes perfect sense, it's the Force, it's magic, you don't decide how it works 😂 And it's been established for literal decades that it can be used to create life, you just cry a storm when it's women doing it

[@Vario69]

It's not "trendy" to hate star wars. It's just a simple cause and effect.

[@simplygod1035]

Tbh I feel like Star Wars real decline started before Disney even bought it. Disney buying it only stalled the decline of the series for a bit, but now it’s just exacerbated it

[@Yecze]

Yeah the prequels was a sight of what was to come

[@Vario69]

Prequels were a decline in quality for sure, but there were also the games, the animated show, and general public loved Star Wars. The brand was rock solid still. It was doing very good in 00's. But I agree that no franchise should last and be milked forever.

[@DenderFriend]

I feel like this video gives some good advice but is a bit generous when it comes to where the backlash to The Acolyte is mostly coming from.

[@Grzzgwzz]

Yeah, better organization isn't going to fix the terrible writing.

[@noneofyourbeeswax7379]

He sounds kinda corporationy to me. Anyone else?

[@arcage_0132]

@@noneofyourbeeswax7379he’s giving a corporate advice so yes

[@noneofyourbeeswax7379]

@@arcage_0132 that makes sense. It's like how upisnotjump made a school safe version of his climate change video with no swearing. Cant sound too hostile or they won't listen.

[@arcage_0132]

@@noneofyourbeeswax7379 very true, when you give a more rational, calm approach, people are more likely to listen

[@shouldent]

I see 2 major problems on Disney: 1. They don't care about the fans, the just want money 2. Star Wars has become a political tool nothing more... Star Wars is indeed dead and I think there is no much if anything at all to change that....

[@Sheoll6]

Objectively wrong, they care about the fans and the lore way more than George Lucas ever did And Star Wars was CREATED as a political tool, except you don't like it when there's women in it 😂

[@shouldent]

@@Sheoll6 How old are you?

[@grandempressvicky6387]

The first point is right. The second one is dumb. Star Wars has always been a political commentary, GL said so himself. How can you look at the prequels and type something like that? Just because the political message is more obvious and clunky than before doesn't mean the message wasn't always there. This is like the Star Trek fans who are shocked when Star Trek is left-leaning.

[@durmgrid8037]

7:03 to 7:47 To be completely honest, I don't see the problem here. I mean, c'mon Lee, what you're describing is the very same thing Star Wars has been doing since before either of us were born. Between the novels, cartoon shows, comic books and video games they would jump around to just after the credits rolled on EP 6 to 4,000 years before EP 4 to in-between any given movie pair to a hundred years after everything then back to just after EP 6 again. All of this before Disney ever touched the franchise. Even if it is a problem (that I'm still not seeing, Star Wars trained me well there) you can't blame Disney for it. You can blame them for a lot of the other stuff going wrong with the franchise (and should), but not that...

[@ciernselar6549]

Exactly, Lee is just being the Fandumb Menace and he is blinded by the Arrogance of Film Theory. He has fallen to the Chud Side of the Fandom which leads to many unnatural and wrong opinions often presented as fact.

[@rexcoder9861]

You're right. The EU (post-Prequel, that is) has worked well as a non-linear thing. Basically pick what you want and watch it Another point is that people need to realize a franchise with multiple authors is bound to have "lore-breaking" plot holes. Is the average casual viewer gonna care that Ki-Adi Mundi was born earlier and involved in an investigation where (to the Jedi) the Sith are way out of the picture? I don't think so. Also, kriff the bots

[@johncenaAUTTP]

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[@Fox_guy1]

10:22 “seriously Disney, do not bring back Robert Downey junior or Chris Evans out of nowhere.” Marvel: “guess which marvel characters are getting brought back out of nowhere?”

[@matthewrangel9465]

10:28 welp that didn’t take long to not age well…

[@sportyzmech2104]

I honestly feel like the people who are making the new star wars content are people who dont exactly hate star wars, but would jump at the chance to make their own thing, but thats more likely to fail than a recognisable brand, so they stick with star wars and make it their own things......

[@OrtizIe1K]

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[@NightFree7]

You know, that's actually pretty accurate! Companies aren't letting writers do their own things, so sadly they just have to work on sequels to series they aren't super passionate about. It's not the only problem, but it's a big one. They're not collecting a smaller group of super passionate sci-fi creatives, they're getting a giant group of creatives who just couldn't do any other project

[@nieuwscontext9911]

Yeah good point, question is why all the writers are so bad. Probably bevause companies want mostly uni kids and they are crazy.

[@NubAnSkrub]

Star wars fan fic but its offical

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Basically yeah...they DISLIKE Star Wars and cant fathom a story were people who act JUST LIKE THEM...like the Sith for example...are the bad guys...so they decide they wanna "Rework" Star Wars to tell their own stories about how its great being awful people while simultaneously complaining and feeling persecuted for not being allowed to be a disease to society by everyone around them.

[@DarthHades5]

I was watching a Star Wars short when this popped up as a notification

[@Cacadoodoopoopoo]

WOW, THAT IS RELATABLE 😮😮😮

[@Rusty84CV]

Sure you were

[@DarthHades5]

@@Rusty84CV yea I was

[@DarthHades5]

@@Rusty84CV I was watching a short from bombastic clips

[@jesustovar2549]

I'm pretty sure lot of us did.

[@The_Legend_Of_Kenny]

2:59 You did NOT just say "Chat" 💀

[@JTBrophy-q2t]

10:17 not marvel announcing Robert as Doctor Doom 🤣

[@RomLoneWolf23]

7:40 I really don't see why you're confused here. The Star Wars Universe is a MASSIVE saga spanning thousands of years into the past with the Old Republic, and back when Legends was a thing, even expanded centuries into the future with the Legacy era, with creative teams writing novels and comic books, and making games in ALL those periods concurrently. And now suddenly it's a problem when Disney does it? We had no trouble keeping up with Star Wars Lore across multiple eras BEFORE, why is this a problem NOW?

[@arcage_0132]

He’s talking about the movies and shows

[@ahsokatano22]

He is only talking about the movies and TV shows to make his point, that's part of the issue here. He also uses the printed media to make his point. It's like he is cherry pucking what works in his favor for this video. And I think that's one reason why this argument annoys me.

[@krim7]

That seems like a bad faith take away considering Legacy had 2 comic books. KOTOR had 2 games and a comic book. SWTOR had a comic, some books and a game. The deep past Star Wars stuff was almost all comic books. The vast majority of the content Lucasfilm put out & approved was set in the Clone Wars and the Post-ROTJ era. The Post-ROTJ stuff was very much driven in the same direction.

[@robertagren9360]

Irrelevant.

[@FATE522]

I'm surprised how much you avoided the Star Wars Explained channel which is the most level headed Star Wars channel on KZbin

[@Perplexius]

66 likes is crazy

[@AriSarrafha]

Generation Tech as well

[@FATE522]

@@AriSarrafha agreed!

[@Namewriter]

Eckhartt's Ladder is the only channel that is both against the show and not attacking it from some political angle. His harsh but fair assessments based on elements like acting, lighting, writing, and the like convinced me not to watch the show.

[@jacearmor5274]

​@Blue-qr4fi What the f-

[@un-ghost4985]

Man you guys are doing amazing on these videos. I'll pop in every once in a while to check out new videos and man are you all doing absolutely awesome. Love the videos and all the time you guys put into them. Definitely doing right by what I would say is Mat-Pats "baby"

[@ethancohen12]

The fact that you’re so transparent shows the level of care you have for your fans! I only hope Star Wars and Disney can reach that point as well!

[@godofthenight12]

10:22 this aged poorly.

[@samwiseplaysyt485]

Star wars live action shows: eh Animated star wars shows: ABSOLUTE GOLD!

[@EatTheHomeless674]

When the creators of the show actively hate their fans and say they’re the reason the show sucks something has gone horribly wrong.

[@cosmiccuttlefish5765]

13:56 a few years ago I met the guy who was head of lore at lucasfilm. He was a super cool guy but the general vibe I got was he was nearing retirement and didn’t have the authority to hold creatives to common lore.

[@mikeythewarriormtw5140]

10:15-10:30; Disney said "f*** that idea! Get both of them back!"

[@choppydell]

First Time? Star Wars was never linear. Look at how the EU told it's stories through games, books, and comics. All across the timeline. But it's clear that right now, they want to establish how Palpatine's returned. His weavings explained throughout the 3 trilogies.

[@Altmetalpunk]

if only abrams had done a better job explaining it.

[@kairosfoster519]

Film Theory idea: Understanding the lore of the Nasuverse

[@XavierEmeralds]

The "don't bring back RDJ out of nowhere" aged like flaming gasoline

[@brickwizardstudios1856]

I just want to say we need the old hyper space look back they never explained the transition

[@RyanTheDark]

I miss 2015-2017 era, man, 10-12 year old me is crying on the inside about what this franchise became.

[@naisAuttp123-oi8nf]

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[@Comicbroe405]

Watch Andor

[@LastGoatKnight]

Same

[@RyanTheDark]

​@@Comicbroe405I love Andor but one or two shows doesn't reverse all of the damage done to this franchise.

[@patrickholzer6415]

...you miss the era where the three worst movies came out? Okay, to each their own I guess

[@Rabidconscience]

16:15 no I don’t know the types. Literally who are you talking about? Disney keeps saying that everyone who doesn’t like the acolyte is that. But it’s pure projection.

[@BreadAndButter504]

Don't worry lee this channel stills slaps

[@riccardoforti2765]

You forgot to mention they should produce quality stuff . Otherwise why should we care in the first place

[@eliotm-v8b]

Agreed.

[@Altmetalpunk]

That's the whole point of the video. You can't make quality stuff if you don't have a clear direction and it gets harder when you're oversatturating the market.

[@dozyproductionss]

@@Altmetalpunk you can make quality shows without a grand and clear direction.

[@D3viant517]

@@dozyproductionssYou can but it’s certainly more likely that you’ll fail

[@dozyproductionss]

@@D3viant517 There things called episodic shows. Really good shows didn't have much more of a plan that current star wars. TNG was one of those.

[@Eddieavina123]

Love your video and keep up the great work you are awesome

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[@Cacadoodoopoopoo]

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[@Aequitas_RJ]

Wipe the sequel timeline (and the Acolyte) from the timeline and start from scratch with the Extended Universe with Luke being a hero and a Jedi master who rebuilt the Order from the ground up. He doesn't even need to be the centerpoint of the movie, just make the new generation RESPECT HIM.

[@foxstories923]

Disney be like let's create woke movies and series without plot

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Its easy, fire Kathleen Kennedy and literally everybody associated with her, hand the entire franchise over to Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau and bring back George Lucas to advise like a writer making sure his books get faithfully adapted so a George Martin kinda role

[@rehanashrif8167]

This again? Seriously why are people so adamant that Dave and Jon can 'save the franchise' from the evil Kathleen Kennedy? Also, I highly doubt Lucas is ever coming back, after all, it was the fans who treated him like the devil after the prequels. Star wars is what? I say 45 year franchise at this point? It's had it's time in the sun, but From what I have seen new people just do not care for it It's a dying thing, with the bloat of nostalgia keeping it afloat.

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

@@rehanashrif8167 Because Dave and Jon were able to give it a fresh breath of life with the first 2 seasons of Mando, a western that through proper storytelling and character development has basically turned into an adaptation of Heir to the Empire which allegedly is one of the movies coming out next year, a beloved story because it involves Thrawn, its not about the Skywalkers or the Force or anything, its something different and is far more about the politics and personalities rather than a classic Hero's Journey story which is what the 6 movies at the heart of Star Wars are

[@storm4710]

Add Tony Gilroy together with Filoni and Favreau.

[@rehanashrif8167]

@@thatlonewolfguy2878 on this take of yours, I actually completely agree with you. I loved the Mandolrian season 1, season 2 much less. Just because It introduced me to new fun characters that I actually cared about, but with season 2, it just got flooded with old characters who felt more like fanservice than anything else. But Dave, for the life of him, just cannot do cohesion, he retconned the ahsoka novel, then retconned Assaj's death, he just does what he feels like, without any regard to the continuity. Andor was also amazing, because it was a breath of fresh air to star wars, with it's own characters and only appearances from minor characters, that didn't feel shoehorned in.

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

@@rehanashrif8167 Oh I agree about Andor, honestly the best piece of Star Wars media in a long, long time, it was grounded, gritty and incredibly well written, everyone I've talked to loved it even if we disagreed on Ahsoka or the sequel trilogy or the very existence of The Acolyte

[@thesansthatasked]

10:22 Well, that aged well...

[@KevenThePuma]

I been reading a lot of EU lately. The EU of course varies in quality but I’ll take any of the stuff they wrote over the current Disney canon. At least the EU tried different things.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

EXACTLY

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[@femkev.5245]

One of the recent lore changes that drives me up a wall is the retconning of Asajj Ventress's death, because it has HUGE implications for what Disney can do going forward. Most of the lore changes simply conflict with the previous Legends timeline, which isn't canon anymore. Since Disney wants to make a new canon anyways, I guess that's fine. It's annoying and disrespectful, but it's not destructive. Asajj Ventress's death being retconned is crazy because she died in a CANON book. So that means that Disney essentially doesn't care about maintaining canon consistency anymore, which is not a good sign for Star Wars. If anything established in canon can now be undone, what's the point in getting invested anymore? I don't trust them to not walk back on decisions they've made, even ones that were well received by the fanbase, and that lack of trust shows a real disconnect between them and their audience.

[@j.m.r2797]

NOUP, is not a problem of organization or disorganization. This is a problem of DISRISPECT, IGNORANCE OF YOU OWN PRODUCT and of course A POLITICAL AGENDA.

[@alecstronach]

Please Disney.. Please... Don't give Rian Johnson a trilogy.... Please.

[@Dexter037S4]

It'd work better if he had a plan, that's the thing with him, the more recent Knives Out movies prove this.

[@Christommyfmx]

Impossible. Star Wars has been extinct for a millennium!

[@AUTTP-m7e]

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[@who-ny5oe]

Dead from 1024 AD? I believe you.

[@LastGoatKnight]

I'd wish it would

[@game_projections]

@Blue-qr4fi E A T . A . C I N D E R B L O C K .

[@diegokaqui60]

​@@who-ny5oeIt died in Stanford bridge don't you know

[@_Corbs_]

I love the production value in these. They're put together so well...

[@Xeybhls]

coming in and watching this video 3 weeks later and get to 10:27 and laugh

[@5sclone_Gaming]

Nice vid so far🎉🎉

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[@5sclone_Gaming]

@@AUTTPOfficerSmiley thx man I reported it

[@the_ghost_boy]

10:22 well that aged hilariously, I'm actually not mad about how they brought these actors back so it's just funny to me that Lee mentioned it like just before we found out they were back

[@GamerBoiSter]

I have been loving The Acolyte so far no matter what anyone says. I like the concept of people discovering and using the force in different ways, like other religions, other than just the Jedi and Sith.

[@jabbragier8574]

It’s been in the lore since the 80s too and in clone wars

[@comidyseeker]

I feel like Disney, and its ego, are too big to care to listen to reason.

[@Fishysalmon02]

The bad batch was peak imo. A lot of people won't give it a chance because it's animated tho

[@thetruepinkninja3676]

Bro the animated shows r the best

[@tenshimusouka5820]

This!

[@jesustovar2549]

​@@thetruepinkninja3676Even LEGO respects Star Wars more than Disney.

[@SpottedHares]

@@jesustovar2549to bad they didn’t respect their worked.

[@shadowhawkrine1947]

That’s not true. The animation has nothing to do with it. It’s because we have no faith in Disney Star Wars.

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Cool Video and theory.

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Ok.

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[@s_a_share]

This is honestly great advice for every company. I totally get how this disorganization happens, particularly from growth. It's not just creative works. When you grow from "all in one person's head" to distributed decisions, it's super hard! I am super impressed with how Theory has done that

[@hughchester]

I would hardly consider 14% a mixed reception...

[@StarPlatinum3000]

It's 14% because it's a mediocre show that was also review-bombed by "Star Wars fans". It's not a horrible show, but it's not well-made either. It's between Book of Boba Fett and Ahsoka in terms of quality, but the review bombers make it seem like Disney personally committed war crimes against the reviewers' families.

[@bosniencommie1202]

Thet is the joke

[@tomspiegel5322]

@@StarPlatinum3000 There's no such thing as "review-bombing." Just activists masquerading as creatives who are so child-minded that they can't accept their latest project is massively hated.

[@OliveAbyss75719]

@@tomspiegel5322it had more reviews after 4 episodes than all 3 seasons of the Mandalorian combined, but sure, it wasn’t review bombed.

[@kreiyu]

@@tomspiegel5322 "There's no such thing as "review-bombing." delusional much? if true, then why is every other movie and show in existence with the name "acolyte" being review bombed with comments about star wars? you know reviews are dated? we can see how many people reviewed the show before it even aired. and how old or new the accounts are. so yes, review bombing is real and happening now, and the evidence is right there for everyone to see.

[@HolyAlric]

Brother if that time line is confusing... Dont get into 40k...

[@robertagren9360]

The more they add, the more they dig a hole by the weight of content to burrow.

[@tam-ka-blam9736]

The only way to fix Star Wars is to get it away from Disney...

[@SSBFan33-i3b]

That or Dave Filoni should take Lucasfilm from Kathleen Kennedy.

[@xxdeathwatchxx7774]

"don't let RDJ back" this aged like milk

[@cooliostarstache5474]

Original stories from passionate writers that love Star Wars without relying on nostalgia

[@knucklestheceoofmemes7755]

That's hard concidering fans will complain when it's something new and not something old.

[@cooliostarstache5474]

@@knucklestheceoofmemes7755 No fans usually complain if it's bad. People loved the Mandalorian until the writing quality dipped hard in the third season

[@knucklestheceoofmemes7755]

@@cooliostarstache5474 understandable. I looked at acolyte and it's not bad how people make it out to be or worse. IMO I think fans are overreacting in many cases. It's definitly flawed in many areas tho

[@cooliostarstache5474]

@@knucklestheceoofmemes7755 I do agree that fans overreact, but it's usually rooted in legitimate complaints

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[@nodwick4231]

The big problem is pure incompetence. They put people in positions they are completely unqualified for. This is why Star Wars will stay dead.

[@seandillon1359]

My first video listening since the retirement. Good job guys. I honestly just thought it was a new guy doing the voiceover

[@Agix.]

The thumbnail was so different from the norm, I really couldnt tell it was film theory

[@nathanoutdoors7981]

I miss the old Star Wars

[@samsummer5392]

Have you seen andor? It's the only thing that's felt like old starwars for me

[@Rosenwood25]

When the creator says “I’m doing this to make men uncomfortable” when that’s the vast majority of the fan base is just entertainment suicide. You’re making it to be hated. Focus more on complete stories and deep characters instead of shallow narratives or political ideas.

[@placeholderdoe]

You can definitely make a piece of media with the intention is disturbing power, you can make something that isn’t for the typical male audience. But you can’t just make men uncomfortable and have a good message, you need to either do that by focusing on another audience that is often pushed aside and/or actually teaching your male audience something.

[@machina12355]

10:20 ohhh... bruh you predicted future

[@williambradley7824]

10:51 This is when I realized 3 of the 4 theorists are doing that 'checkmark' pointer-finger & thumb thing on his/her chin.

[@ToawstTheToast]

6:20 It was so seamless I forgot that you guys were bought.

[@diersteinjulien6773]

honestly, had MatPat not made a video on it, very few people would have noticed. Kudos to the team for being transparent on it

[@NikkiJ421]

We're still calling Grogu "baby Yoda"? Mkay...

[@beardofnursing8602]

I realize that the Prequels aren't amazing cinema -- the acting and writing are rough, and some of the CGI hasn't aged as well as the originals. But at least there was a clear, overarching story, and it didn't feel like each movie was trying to undo what the previous movie set up. If you enjoy the Sequel trilogy, that's completely fine... I just don't understand how people can enjoy it when there really was no plan. If the creators didn't take these projects seriously, why should the fans?

[@OrnaSwanson]

I am your father are you sure it’s not the mailman.

[@whirl43]

Bold of you to think i have a father

[@Cacadoodoopoopoo]

YESSSSS ❤😊❤😊❤😊❤😊❤

[@Kirill-Ivanov2002]

Quality R&C refrence.

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[@Jikuro_]

Rest In Peace Star Wars 1977 - 2012

[@majestyzx9081]

Star Wars was dead long before 2012.

[@Jikuro_]

@@majestyzx9081 no thats when george sold it. thats when it died.

[@Jikuro_]

@@majestyzx9081 ofc but thats when it was ruined forever. (sold to disney)

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[@Arthurio99]

Making a plan could have helped Star Wars 10 years ago, but it is too late, now the only thing that can save it is to wipe the slate clean. Either to completely retcon all of the BS that Disney released in the last 10 years. Or getting so far away from the current Disney-produced stories timeline-wise so it does not even matter ( either going back to Old Republic, doing a Revan trilogy, Exar Kun, Meetra, etc, or going into a future and doing something brand new )

[@TheaStaicu]

10:16 Well, this aged... well. 🤭

[@AKTROOPER1]

Another point that could be made is Disney doesn’t (and frankly can’t) care as much as George Lucas did. It was all his creation. It’s much harder (but still possible) to care about a project that you didn’t create

[@xtralargegamer7167]

Have you seen any of the stuff from the creators of Mando? All they talk about is how much they care

[@Altmetalpunk]

Lucas literally sold it because he didn't want to do it anymore. After the negativity he got from the prequel trilogy he didn't want to be the only person involved, that's why he trained up filoni and wrote with him. he shopped lucasfilm around to multiple studios and sold it to disney because they were going to allow him to put whoever he wanted in power and thought they had the best storytelling abilities. But the modern economy and streaming wars are absolutely destroying creative companies.

[@alienmorality]

​@@xtralargegamer7167 talk is cheap

[@Derp-rz1nn]

@@xtralargegamer7167well yeah that show is one of the few things they have done right

[@ABATNM]

10:23 well that line didn’t age well

[@ChonkyFish_1]

10:17 this aged well

[@theoc511]

I couldn't type it fast enough 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZeroFighter]

WRONG. The problem is not disorganization. Why wasn't this a problem when a book would come out that followed Cade Skywalker, 200 years after Return of the Jedi, and a few months later, we'd get something set in the Clone Wars? The problem is that the writing is garbage. Disney keeps bringing in writers and directors who focus on identity politics, social issues, etc... and keep priding themselves on not being / hating Star Wars fans. For over a decade, Disney LucasFilm has been on the offensive, saying that fans are the problem. News flash; without fans, there's no franchise.

[@thefunnyhatter7390]

Is this not, in a sense, disorganization as well; for a company to talk back to its audience THINKING this will increase or protect their profits? Businessmen who don't understand the rule about biting the hand that feeds?

[@ZeroFighter]

@@thefunnyhatter7390 It is not. They're fully organized, going with plans that extend for years to come. They've been planning things out years in advance at this point, and have been placing specific people in charge of specific projects, all neatly ORGANIZED. All of their releases have been ORGANIZED as they see fit. The problem is that it's a circlejerk of hack writers, hack directors, hack producers, and hack actors, all hiring each other because they know one another, and all agree on the same things, none of which involve a love for Star Wars, but most of it involves loving to milk cash cows until the udders dry out, then moving onto the next money-maker with built-in audiences. It's VERY organized, it's just also very malicious and unsustainable.

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

Star Wars can’t be killed by Disney. Disney can only hurt themselves and their version of Star Wars while Lucas Star Wars and the Legends continuity will always be special to me and many other fans. Plus we still have Andor season 2 to look forward to.

[@suezcontours6653]

Star Wars fans over 50 need to get over themselves. It's not normal to have fans of a kids story who are 50 years old now. Star Wars was for12 years olds - George Lucas said so when he made the prequels. He definitely didn't think he'd have returning fans from the 70's

[@jackdawwastaken]

​@@suezcontours6653 Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. Hey guys, this guy figured it out! 50 years old is the cutoff for liking things!

[@Altmetalpunk]

lucas hated the legends continuity. he was always open about that. I remember friends in hs talking about how he just approved whatever went across his desk. he didn't care. He's said the only pre-disney cannon was clone wars because that was him and filoni.