Legendary Cheater Todd Rogers Just Lost Another Lawsuit

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Today we take a look at the ongoing lawsuit between disgraced cheater Todd Rogers and Twin Galaxies/Guinness World Records.
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[@karljobst]

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[@TKUltra971]

These out of touch man children from TG are the gift that keeps on giving.

[@johnconnor8206]

Do I get to leak goverment documents

[@johnconnor8206]

Please let them be idf

[@ethanrutkowski9712]

I bet 10$ you wouldn’t reply

[@TheEdZachary]

Please make "Silly Bitchel" t-shirts as merch

[@David-Stanley]

"Todd Rogers has claimed more fake world records than anyone else." Finally a legit world record

[@LePreuxBuisson]

I didn't even think of it that way lmao

[@dwbie131]

I’m claiming 5 million video game world records Just to steal this one from him.

[@puyu8621]

@@dwbie131 i'm claiming 8000004 world records. get good kid. And i'll even make a list of them you can find it in my secret book.

[@ZeldaFan64DD]

LMAO

[@qu1253]

*Todgers

[@JackQNielsen]

Good grief, that “Silly Bitchell” line caught me off guard lmao. I’m never calling him by his real name ever again.

[@Mooza1]

He's a great liticunt

[@jcrobot]

Me too! I was not expecting it 🤣

[@TravTravYT]

This has irreversibly changed how I will name that man, I had to PAUSE at work hearing that lmao

[@YouTubeGaveMyHandleAway]

Bitchell is a good name

[@simplyintricate4160]

Same. Legit coffee out my nose.

[@30000Pigeons]

I love the Todd Togers cases. They feel like side stories following a tertiary character in the Silly Bitchell extended universe.

[@Aikisbest]

While Mitchell is actually upsetting, Rodgers is like the relief character in a crime drama, at least at this point.

[@emilyofjane]

He’s the Shakespearian fool

[@HirokiEtsuko]

It's that side quest in a MMO that makes you laugh.

[@andremation]

I love how Karl can keep a relaxed voice when saying stuff like "silly bitchell". Never change, Karl

[@dragonofdaggersgamingvideo87]

I wonder how many takes it took him

[@treehann]

I burst out laughing. I wonder if it took him multiple takes.

[@TrackpadProductions]

The best thing about it is that "Bitchell" is actually a completely legitimate portmanteau abbreviation of his name.

[@Catheidan]

Karl jobst really woke up and chose violence that day

[@gratler]

probably took a couple takes :D

[@bouboulroz]

"While Billy Mitchel lawsuits have a tendency to last years, Todd's end up failing after just a few months." With such a natural talent for speedrun, if the guy had put that kind of effort in video games, he would've had a few legitimate world records by now.

[@neoqwerty]

He should have tried softlock% and death% categories, he seems to be mostly skilled at getting game overs and going nowhere.

[@TrackpadProductions]

There is one world record Todd may have a legitimate claim to. _"Longest fraudulently held Guinness World Record."_ I mean, they'd never give it to him. But he may very well qualify.

[@stephenmanuel9860]

He always starts his lawsuits in 2nd gear.

[@AntoshaPushkin]

The name is Silly Bitchell, write it correctly

[@danemartin5288]

I love this. He's speed running failed law suits lol

[@coyrex1250]

Dude legit claimed over 2000 records in an interview? Insane.

[@oldpro8783]

yeah and not just having achieved 2000 WORLD records but holding them actively at time of interview.. riiiight. Not impossible for some guy/girl, just not that guy.

[@losbloontas]

The interviewer keeping a straight face after hearing that lol. I would have let out a quick held-in laughter

[@RycoonGalloy]

​@@oldpro8783 is it possible to hold 2000 world records? maybe not holding actively, but actively seems unlikely

[@ashokkumar-zw8vi]

​@@RycoonGalloy no way dude. No one,like no one even hold a thousand record. He is holding 2000? Its fcking insanity

[@oldpro8783]

@@RycoonGalloy according to google one dude earned 600 world records and actively holds over 200. 2k would be difficult but no doubt Mr Beast could get it done and one of them would be the speed he did it in. lol 2k world records in 24hrs or I give my mom an island made of legos.

[@TheTSense]

The best part: One of the games gave you like 2000 points and then started counting down in intervals of 5 until you win. His Highscore? 999,999 He just went down a list of games and wrote his name and a high number on it, at least 100 times greater than the current number 1 player. He never even started or looked at most of the games once. I think playing "Have you seen this game before" with him would be great. And Todd has to guess if he is the self-proclaimed world record holder who blow everyone out of the water or has never played it. "Oh yeah I have the record" "No, you are not in the list." "Never seen that game before" "oh yeah? you are 300 times higher than any other player ever according to this highscore..."

[@StewyAdamRules]

I didn’t know that. That’s honestly a million times crazier than him just playing a game badly a bunch by himself and making up a time, the fact that he could claim to be a master of a game while clearly knowing nothing about it is just insane.

[@CouchSpud91]

My personal favorite is that he said he had a score of over 10k in a game where your character is literally killed and given an instant Game Over the moment you hit 5k or something like that. Sorry, it's been a while so I don't remember which game it is. It was featured in Apollo Legend's coverage of it.

[@gairisiuil]

@@CouchSpud91 I think it was Wabbit - auto death at 1300, todd's score? 1,698. It doesn't help that the game only counts up in increments of 5.

[@sithcritic8906]

Back in 2010 when I was pursuing the Yars’ Revenge world record high score, there was a category for a 15 minute contest, wherein Todd led the leaderboard with a 700k score. I constantly puzzled over techniques to figure out how he could have scored that high that quickly. The pace of Yars Revenge starts slow, and simply doesn’t allow this. I should have figured he just made up that score. My WR submission to Twin Galaxies at that time even included some commentary on Todd’s 15 minute record. I should dig up that VHS tape.

[@BeepBoopBee]

Please do. It would be pretty enjoyable to watch. Also, I'm curious what score you achieved. I'm not familiar with the game, but I'm quite curious what it's like now ^~^

[@zenkim6709]

It's yet another Atari 2600 / VCS title -- think of it as a weird cross between Breakout & the 1980s arcade classic Star Castle.

[@Peringon]

Todd should have started his lawsuit in second gear

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Boom!

[@fuzzy8593]

Shakalaka?

[@KittyKatty999]

*CRITICAL HIT!*

[@HrHaakon]

Give it that human factor?

[@DemBigOlEyes]

He forgot to pop the clutch.

[@lctriguy69]

Hi Karl! Lawyer here. As always, I am very impressed by your non-lawyer legal analysis. The reason Twin Galaxies and Guinness cannot recover fees from Todd is that in the U.S. parties typically bear their own attorneys’ fees absent an agreement (i.e. a contract) or specific statute that allows the prevailing party to recover attorneys’ fees. Parties usually cannot get fees for winning a standard tort case. However, parties can recover “costs” like filing fees-but early on the filing fees (~$1,000) are not worth the expense of filing a motion. Theoretically, Twin Galaxies or Guinness could recover attorneys’ fees by filing a malicious prosecution action against Todd. However, a malicious prosecution claim is hard to prove because it requires showing a lack of “probable cause” and, even if successful, would take years to adjudicate. After being dismissed, most clients are just happy they aren’t being sued anymore and move on. Todd can try again in Florida if the dismissal was “without prejudice.” If the dismissal was with prejudice, Todd cannot refile an amended complaint in the same case. The personal jurisdiction holding means that Todd cannot sue Guinness and Twin Galaxies in Florida, but leaves open the possibility that he could theoretically sue them where they are based (assuming the claims are still timely). I guess we will have to stay tuned to see what happens next. Thanks for the great vid.

[@jagordon1976]

Attorney here as well - just want to add to this fantastic response. Most states have a vexatious litigant law, which does allow for the defendant to potentially recover attorney's fees. However, these law usually require the party to file several lawsuits pro se (without an attorney) in a period of years (here in Texas it's 5 lawsuits in 7 years) which the courts found to be frivolous or were determined adversely to the plaintiff filing the lawsuit. If the party is found to be a vexatious litigant then the defendant can request that the plaintiff be required to post security which would cover the reasonable costs, including attorney's fees, of the defendant. I don't know what the law is in Florida (if there even is a law) since I'm not licensed there, but I suspect there is one, but it likely doesn't apply. Yet. Give him a couple more lawsuits, though, and they may go this way if such a law exists in Florida. Love the videos - keep up the good work!

[@amandalam7272]

Thanks to both of the attorneys commenting here, I appreciate the insights into the US legal system. Commenting to boost your helpful info!

[@fifiwoof1969]

@@jagordon1976 Donald Trump lives in Florida. Does he fit your mould? I don't think I've EVER heard of a MORE vexatious litigant, yet I don't hear him being called one in the media, probably because he'd try to sue whoever called him a vexatious litigant, even if it's a judge in a court ruling, lol.

[@itsmegiorgio]

honest question: why is it that way? on the surface it would sound fair that the one that loses a case (or is dismissed entirely) pays legal fees for both sides? I guess there's a good reason and I'm curious

[@wildriftprofessor1782]

Thanks for this interesting comment pal.

[@loganielsomething7218]

The courts just don't get it. They're not accounting for the "human element" in his lawsuits

[@JanusHoW]

(insert "I'm only human" meme here)

[@azrael-labs]

Human after all ? The hit album of Daftpunk ?

[@Aguyfrom225]

Tod Roger’s second lawsuit lasted 5.51 seconds in the court room.

[@swahilimaster]

Todd's lawsuits are so short because he is trying to master speedrunning the "lawyerless" category, it has no marathon safe strats, but that just goes to show how hardcore of a speedrunner this man really is.

[@henrysokol3466]

"The difference is that Todd doesn't have any money. Therefore he can't hire a lawyer, therefore he represents himself. And that's really not a good thing, because Todd is an idiot." Does anyone else imagine he was saying that a little like John Cleese would?

[@Snacker6]

Don't most speedruns only count if you win though?

[@LilacMonarch]

@@Snacker6 Depends on the category, maybe he's going for the "dismiss%" category

[@dragonofdaggersgamingvideo87]

Speedrunning himself homeless

[@MyselfAgain]

@@Snacker6 Any% only aims for a credits roll. Like most Any% runs, the quickest ending is just the worst ending for the in game story.

[@dimentiox80sshenanigans50]

I swear, Todd and Billy are like that comedy relief villian duo you see in cartoons like Team Rocket.

[@wolvie1973]

Imho they're more like pinky and the brain.

[@bleachfan9000]

​@@wolvie1973only neither have any braincells to speak of

[@nachocdbz]

This needs to be a T-shirt. Even the hair styles match Team Rocket's

[@MediaMunkee]

@@wolvie1973 "Gee Billy, what do you wanna do tonight?" "The same thing we do every night, Todd. *Try to sue the world!"*

[@Cynderfan35]

@@MediaMunkee XD thank you, I read that part with the voices of pinky and the brain

[@cubeincubes]

The funny thing is that these guys are WAY more famous than anyone with a real world record will ever be

[@egotrips4810]

That's not funny, imagine the hrs put in to achieve a world record just to have these goofballs with *fake* records take the spotlight

[@JosephSneep]

@@egotrips4810 But they’re famous for all different reasons.

[@spearfisherman308]

They just knew the right people, instead earning their records.

[@OlgaZuccati]

idk, I don't think a lot of people even care about Billy Mitchell, and even less so about Todd Rogers.

[@raphaelkoch1573]

Famous for the wrong reasons though.

[@REAL_STAR]

Judges and lawyers must be like “oh god not another twin galaxies lawsuit”

[@Jibeker]

Lawyer here! Will they get their costs back in any fashion? Highly doubtful. The odds of them seeking costs (if not done so already in their motion) are low. But even if they do, Todd is what we call "judgment proof" meaning he doesn't have any assets they can take (assuming that in this jurisdiction a sanction award/cost shifting award can attach to property like a judgment can). And then, of course, even if they did get an award for their costs, he just wouldn't pay them.

[@christian5256]

Thank you! (commenting to bring you closer to the top)

[@catboygremlin]

interesting! thank you

[@namelessliberty9869]

Can you really just start a lawsuit over nothing and force a company to pay thousands just to say "nah we didn't do any of that" in the US? That seems so broken

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

I was under the impression that US courts don't do this. You pay your own costs. It's not like the UK where it just automatically happens.

[@CptJistuce]

​@@namelessliberty9869 Yup! Though usually it's the other way around, with a wealthy business using the legal system to club individuals of modest means. It's exactly as abusable as it sounds, but I don't know of a good solution. Forcing the losing side to always pay costs makes it even harder for a little guy with a legitimate grievance to attain justice, since if he fails in his quest he will be saddled with ruinous debt.

[@MechMK1]

At first I felt quite antagonistic towards Todd for his obvious lies. But seeing more of him, I feel just sorry for him. His entire personality and identity is built around a lie, to which he clung onto way too long. What Todd needs isn't a lawyer, it's a therapist.

[@joshs7160]

A lie he's told for so many years that he probably believes it's the honest to God truth.

[@Yeard491]

I would feel more sorry for him if he admitted he was wrong and also wasn’t a malicious prick xd

[@alecrutz6979]

@@johnmclawson3982 please don't bring trump into this, this is not the time

[@koshi6505]

@@johnmclawson3982 Accurate.

[@battosaijenkins946]

@Karl Jobst, ROFL 'Silly Bitchell' ??! Brilliant.. 😂🤣

[@colindunham5717]

Todd Togers is an absolute legend, in his own mind.

[@dontbeasadsoulja]

I love how Karl calls Todd Rogers an idiot three times, lmao. What a legend.

[@mhalbe1984]

He looks like a video game nerd version of ron jeremy.

[@solar901]

Just stating facts.

[@josearmandorodriguez8959]

And silly bitchel

[@Justinicus24]

pretty childish actually. karl is a scared little boy

[@Marcomanexists]

He is really thick

[@WhyTheFuckDoTheseExistOnYT]

Todd Togers may not have the world record for Dragster, but if he keeps it up he'll have the world record for most frivolous lawsuits in no time!

[@Blarsen780]

He won't stop until he reaches 551

[@benjason_94]

billy mitchell might have something to say about that

[@KurticeYZ]

Yep, he did actually get the world record for best lawsuit failure. It just keeps happening. Todd Roger's speed running thru court is so entertaining

[@HandsomeLongshanks]

Billy Mitchell is stiff competition tho

[@montagneresmontagneres8346]

Ye they are actually creating a whole new speedrunning category, hats off to them

[@shaneminer15]

I never would have expected to be so invested in the "idiot cheaters suing people" series but here we are.

[@jd62908]

I literally died at “Silly Bitchell.” I had to be resuscitated and am now hospitalized.

[@OODave80]

Wow. I remember finding your channel all those years ago when you dual commentated one of Goose's Speedlores (I think they were trying to branch into PD-Lore at the time). So it brings deep warmth to my heart that Todd (and Billy) are still giving you so much material to work with... And I love every dang seccond of it... Keep it up, dude!

[@jeanderbar]

There have been some new PD-Lore videos as of late, btw

[@maskedhobo]

I love how hard Karl is swinging on these idiots. You can only push a good man so far before he pushes back.

[@PsiRedEye22]

Yoiu can tell Jobst got a good amount for legal fees, because he is actively lighting these fucks up.

[@sorrenblitz805]

​@@PsiRedEye22 Todd doesn't have the money to sue Karl, so he's not worried about it. Billy doesn't actually have evidence of defamation so that suit is basically a frivolous money sink attack.

[@theseel2718]

It's truly saddening to see Todd Roges go through this when he is objectively the greatest human being ever made

[@clearspira]

He set off in second gear don't ya' know?

[@zwenkwiel816]

Haters gonna hate XD

[@ItsMeYourRealDad]

@@clearspira legends say he actually did it in reverse. Real heroes don't wear capes

[@prla5400]

​​@@ItsMeYourRealDad just XXL *clothing

[@iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg]

Todd Bloggers is really Togers and Bogers

[@skeezixcodejedi]

I lvoe your videos; recenty found your channel, and devouring all of it. You're hilarious. Hope these guys fail at coming after you, because you're the hero we need :)

[@darkreyule]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GO TO SLEEP! DAMNIT KARL!

[@chrisbeach423]

Same

[@ItsDangerousGoAlone]

For real

[@zgeist2861]

This

[@Daniel-jz9td]

Same lmao but now I feel like an absolute legend so I am relieved and motivated.

[@mookymookymooo]

Been there

[@Freddie7191]

Todd Rogers seems like the kind of guy who'd go to random gatherings in the park and stand around until someone asks what he's doing there, just so he can tell them he has 2,000 world records.

[@rashira9610]

Oh you know he went to cons trying to use it as a pickup line.

[@MakerInMotion]

​@@rashira9610 First he washed with Dr. Squatch because he saw those stupid ads and thought it would actually make him irresistable to women.

[@OrgaNik_Music]

Pretty sure he'd blurt it out even before anyone asks.

[@segro123]

I aint touching no NPC

[@brandonizaguirre2963]

He seems to me like the guy who hides behind bushes at the park looking for benches who have girls sitting on them and when they leave, he goes to sniff the seats

[@ThelastDJ1976]

This was equal parts savage and hilarious. I try not to find too much joy in other people's failings but I'll be damned if I didn't laugh multiple times during this video

[@CDsurfer]

Karl, thank you for the content, love your videos.

[@OrangestarLover]

Todd Togers never fails to surprise and entertain me- more so than a lot of the internet drama recently

[@sophiegrey9576]

uhm actually his name is rodd rogers 🤓

[@meowcat7124]

​@@sophiegrey9576 nah, he literally called himself in a lawsuit Todd Togers lol

[@rayray2glocks]

​@@meowcat7124 lmao woooosh

[@TwiliPaladin]

@@meowcat7124 They're aware of that, hence the nerd emoji.

[@OrangestarLover]

Todd Togers aka Rodd Rogers aka Todd Rogues aka Toddzilla

[@IntendedPun]

Karl quickly becoming the most knowledgeable Aussie on Florida law.

[@Timic83tc]

A lot of us researched after we were locked down for years...

[@DrFunkman]

Not only can you not serve by certified mail in this type of case, but the summons papers literally say that the Plaintiff CANNOT be the one to serve them. He didn’t even read the instruction

[@DarkQuill]

Savage. Love to see it. Hope things are going well for you on your front, you absolute legend.

[@onikoneko]

I just imagine the lawyers at Guinness and Twin Galaxies phoning each other when the latest lawsuit comes around, going over the papers and sharing a good (if slightly tired) laugh at the contents. They should frame the lawsuit and display it in their offices as the easiest win they've ever had.

[@Romess1]

More realistically they will just sigh and get frustrated over more of their valuable time being wasted.

[@LachnLoad87]

I will go out of my way and say that would be the biggest flex from any company.

[@Wtahc]

haha u think twin galaxies is legit org XD not corrupt as fuck surely XD suuuuuurely XDD

[@waccness449]

@@Romess1 No they wouldn't, lawyers love this shit. They're paid to do this, without idiots like Todd they wouldn't be paid so much. Guinness and Twin Galaxies would be upset they lost money, not the lawyers who had the easiest day at the office they'd ever had AND still got paid.

[@Romess1]

@@waccness449 Implying Todd has any money to begin with? Yes they would amigo.

[@Skullet]

Todd Togers and Milly Bitchell are a comedy gold mine. Thanks for keeping us updated and entertained Karl, you're an absolute legend.

[@TsuNAmI2069]

errr excuse me... but it's SILLY Bitchell :) We really need to call things by their names :)

[@brodieb5066]

Woah woah woahs lets not get sued boys

[@duckpwnd]

I actually have some respect for Billy Mitchell. We all do dumb things and make mistakes. Billy Mitchell had the class and integrity to admit that he was caught, own up to his cheating, and move on with his life.

[@Wheelman2004]

I came into the video expecting "Todd Todgers" and ended up losing my shit over "Silly Bitchell" coming out of nowhere... Karl is an international treasure lmao

[@archmagusofevil]

​@@duckpwnd I can't tell if this is amazing sarcasm or if I found Silly Bitchell's youtube account. Either way, well played.

[@thuracidpainasaurusrex3705]

0:43 I legit had to rewind it back twice to make sure I heard that name right 😂😂😂 Thanks to you, I’ve been on speed running for the past 2 years and last month I decided to start speed running Golden Eye since it had a remake. But besides that, you do a great cover on these guys and I love the content! Im a happy subscriber 😎

[@robertmack3602]

Haha the opening clip with Billy flipping the bird is my hometown in NH.

[@samueljames576]

Wow Togers couldn’t even respond to the motions to dismiss within 14 days, let alone in 5.51 seconds.

[@wiiabee]

he tried to start the lawsuit in second gear 😔

[@Drei_S2023]

The Todd Togers saga indeed never ends. Also Billy being named "Silly Bitchell" is just hilarious.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

"Your honor, how can the plaintiff claim slander when I was never referring to the plaintiff? Rather than referring to Mr. Mitchell as he implies, it's obvious from the audio and my script that I was referring to one Silly Bitchell, which is a completely different person."

[@Dropbear2024]

Legit the highlight of my day 🤣

[@jdcarrier953]

@@theKashConnoisseur “In filing this lawsuit, the plaintiff therefore recognizes Silly Bitchell as the proper way to address him.”

[@Vaelosh466]

With respect to costs, they'd need to provide proof of whatever costs they asserted. Rogers would also get an opportunity to defend against the asserted costs so he could demand a hearing. Ultimately even with the bare minimum obstinance from Rogers it would probably cost almost as much to get costs as it did to write a response to the original lawsuit, because you have to pay the lawyers to sit in court all day until their case is called.

[@camwyn256]

And then there's the apparent fact of Todd being "judgement proof", hence Todd representing himself. So, in addition to going through more hearings and motions, not being able to collect because Todd is broke

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Also, if Todd doesn’t have a lot of money, they might have trouble collecting anything they win.

[@princessoscar3089]

Lol I love that the "Most replayed" point is to skip the stupid mid-video ad. I hate those, so thank you previous viewers for all doing the same thing enough times! :D

[@lw8882]

The fact that at this point you're just going ham on them because they will sue you even if you don't is amazing.

[@zorochii]

Well, these videos pay the lawyers, so...

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Let's just all agree, that ham is good...

[@CowMaam]

@@Robert_McGarry_Poems yknow robert you make a good point sir

[@zorochii]

We'll enjoy the delicious ham.

[@chrisbeach423]

We need a King of Kong type documentary with Todd Todgers and Silly Bitchell filing and losing lawsuit after lawsuit.

[@ley_doggo5614]

This is the goofiest comet ive seen in a while

[@finalfantasu7615]

Upvote!

[@blenderfox]

Mind you that would be a world record I don't think anyone would be dispute.

[@grunkleg.3110]

"Kings of Con"

[@joshstewart2131]

Look at Todd’s attempt here, he’s clearly shooting for the speedrun in the most dumberest gaming lawsuits category.

[@emberalus2229]

I love how you just casually sneaked the word "Bitchell" in there 1:18, had to replay it to catch it hahaha.

[@Polyvinci]

I am entertained. Thank you so much!

[@JDLowe]

I will say this. I used to be a Todd Rogers believer. Todd and I used to be friends; in fact, he was a huge motivator in me quitting smoking back in the late 2000's/early 2010's. But man, seeing all of this has just made it all go downhill. I used to have faith in his impossible Dragster, but that's been straightened out in my head. Take care of yourself, Todd. You can be a better man.

[@redjed100]

Can he, though? I’m serious; he’s had three chances to do the honorable thing and leave the retro gaming community and get a real job, however poorly paying, and he’s taken none of them.

[@JDLowe]

@@redjed100 I get ya, and I don't disagree. It doesn't mean I can't be optimistic for positive changes, though. I'm naive, sure, but I can be hopeful.

[@camwyn256]

​@@JDLoweI hope you didn't end up smoking again because of it. Crazy expensive, that habit

[@JDLowe]

@@camwyn256 Thanks for the kind words! You ain't kidding, SO expensive, and I was just a pack a day smoker, but I haven't had a cigarette in around a decade and I'm doing good. I appreciate you, friend, thank you!

[@PointsofData]

First off, really happy to hear about the smoking and I hope you have a wonderful life ahead of you. Secondly, out of curiosity, does this paint Todd in a generally new light for you? Are there things you think back on that "click"? Or are these just actions you didn't know about/didn't know he'd take? Trying to get a better picture of Todd overall.

[@melancholykhmer6336]

Karl's savagery has improved 10 fold after this whole Silly situation. I love it

[@funnyclown2514]

I literally never heard of this man until I discovered these videos. At least with Billy Mithcell I've seen AVGN mention him as well as seen the Regular Show episode that makes fun of him but never Todd Rogers. Before I watched these he was always a complete stranger.

[@sweethysteria8737]

Karl woke up and chose violence 😂 He just came out swinging! “Sheer patheticness” “Silly Bitchell” “Because Todd, is an idiot” Glorious 🤣

[@dan-ph7ob]

3:57 “Todd Todgers”

[@deedeethedog05]

"Silly Bitchell" just broke me. Well played.

[@Sparkiiro]

I was looking for this comment because I didn't know if I'd heard right, I am HOWLING

[@ItsKimbi]

Yes more frequent uploads. Please keep it going

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

3:56 "Todd Todgers" sounds kinda appropriate tbh.

[@Jumpernot]

I would honestly love to see a live stream between you Billy and Todd where you ask them questions and they have to answer and have it out 😂

[@yittmashups]

Same, but they'd never be so stupid as to take part in that. ...right...??

[@mirrorocean]

As echoed in many other comments, I love how you've just given up hiding how ridiculous you find these charlatans. Your videos were beyond entertaining before, and even more so now! It's admirable how much research you do onto the exact reasons why they're such idiots. You're an absolute legend.

[@GamesFromSpace]

What are they gonna do, sue him?

[@TheRedRaven_]

@@GamesFromSpace Not sure if that’s sarcasm but Silly Bitchell has tried.

[@magetaaaaaa]

It's like every couple of years I find a video about this group of people, and there is always some new scandal. Is anything real anymore? Lol.

[@lillyie]

i like how you mentioned that during your sponsor segment, war thunder vehicles are made to be as realistic as possible. and it's all thanks to those guys leaking classified documents

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

Consequences will never be the same!

[@SolusEmsu]

Wait a sec this is *new* !! Lemme just go binge re-watch the previous Todd Togers videos, then get to this one!

[@BB72]

After the absolute annihilation of Todgers, I feel bad for him. Basing your entire identity on a lie, with no money in it, living in squalor, and having the lies exposed, leaving nothing. Nothing. What a crazy way to choose to live.

[@ufsteropolstero6014]

the moral of the story is, it's only people who make a fortune off their lies and misdeeds or even crimes, deserve to have nice things. Remembering how Microsoft was caught in much bigger scandals than this yet their largest shareholders are living large much like the VW CEO who oversaw emission scandals which actually killed people. Too much of a low hanging fruit to give any props to Karl.

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

If you're really determined, then there's always more you can lose.

[@djretro83]

Todgers. lol You know what that is in the UK? It's slang for "dick".

[@outseeker]

don't feel too bad, he managed to get fat so he clearly hasn't been starving

[@hullinstruments]

Yeah it's super depressing and I kind of feel bad for him in a way

[@FrankyBabes]

Not a lawyer but I do work in litigation - my guess is they are very aware that he's not going to be able to pay up re costs, and consider the idea of chasing those to be more trouble than it's worth. Whether they'd be so lenient a second time would be interesting to see.

[@outseeker]

true, if he claimed to have fifty cents i'd assume he has a quarter at best.

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

If you work in litigation, check out David Stebbins (Acerthorn).

[@ashelltalks-zc7ce]

they don't have to collect to move to enforce a decision, however they should do it for the message; My professor taught me "when you get that shiny decision worth 1million dollars you can wipe your posterior with it until you've seized their assets and actually have money. (because that takes more litigation and filings to get what the decision says you're owed right?)

[@professorhaystacks6606]

This is my guess. I believe the phrase is 'judgement proof'. Unless, of course, he were to sell that alleged book. So this tells me they don't think it exists either.

[@Koreanspree]

@@outseeker half a penny at best

[@alexrompen805]

For the legal cost issue: Yes, a judge WOULD likely affirm a reasonable asking amount for costs. The fact it was thrown out so quickly only strengthens that likeliness since the court obviously and correctly saw it was a clown show being run by an idiot simply to waste time and try and coerce a company into doing what he wants. Also, SLAPP suits are quickly fading out in North America, as court after court after court is rejecting them and ordering costs to be paid out.

[@star_reshiram]

0:42 That caught me off-guard, kudos for the savagery lmao

[@EscargoBay]

Imagine living your entire adult life, desperately clinging to a singular achievement that defines and shapes who you are as a person, and knowing in your heart that it's a lie. I think Todd's actions start to make more sense when we consider that this "record" literally means everything to him. It IS him. Just let it go, Todd.

[@Blurillaz]

Todd should have already been in second gear before the lawsuit was filed.

[@truthsmiles]

Rookie mistake

[@Aikisbest]

11:03~ You know something is up when the least upsetting image of Billy Mitchell you've seen is one where he smiles (a weirdly innocent smile coming from him) and gives the camera the finger, lol.

[@gamewithgreg]

"Silly Bitchell" and "Todd Todgers" 😂 brilliant 👏

[@YungCuzz]

Guinness really went “Nah, I refuse to be sued like that” and it worked. Absolute legends.

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

He sent the paperwork to the wrong company. They had no real obligation to respond at all, which was how they argued to get the case thrown out, also taking it a step further and explaining that even if he had filed correctly, there was no merit to the claim. They did what is called good leg work, or in other terms due diligence.

[@bfure1]

The advantage of having real lawyers, they can look at the paperwork and immediately say "This is bullshit, just ignore it"

[@SmoothJK]

The most shocking thing to me in all of this is that Todd somehow managed to survive and feed himself for this many years.

[@Tangers3345]

Well, he's definitely dressing himself, that's for sure

[@TheWatchernator]

he's obviously not starving

[@quadZ_z]

I wonder what he does for a living haha. I'm imagining some absurd Robert King-esque shenanigans 😂

[@bennylevine387]

I like how this is basically revolving around 60 year olds arguing about high scores.

[@tswan137]

Not seeing enough love for 4:09 - The Billy Maddison reference is absolute gold. LOVE IT

[@averageeclairenjoyer3010]

You know what this situation with Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell reminds me of? There was a great Soviet movie, The Ordinary Miracle, and one of the characters in it was Hunter, who is, well, a supposedly great and famous hunter who spends all his time defending his past achievements ("So far he procured fifty diplomas confirming his fame and shot sixty detractors of his talent") instead of actually going and shooting some game because he's too afraid that other hunters will scrutinize his every shot. And when he actually goes on a hunt again, he cheats.

[@ExiorasMusic]

Except that these guys did not even achieve anything. They've been cheating from the start.

[@averageeclairenjoyer3010]

@@ExiorasMusic That could've been the case with that character as well - no one else in the movie corroborates his claims, so it is possible that he was a complete fraud from the beginning.

[@Turd_Burglar804]

I love how videos with Billy and Todd started out neutral and relatively polite, but with both of them being litigious bungholes the niceties have gone out the window.

[@ValexNihilist]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that! 😂I nearly died when he said "Silly Bitchell"

[@Geyrider]

@@ValexNihilist also the fact he kept calling todgers an idiot and dumbass

[@TheGoonsies]

Lol I think his first Todd Rogers video just goes straight to "Everyone knows Todd Rogers is a liar and a cheat" xD

[@1v966]

@@ValexNihilist well, it has at the time already been factually proven that he was, in fact a liar. It's not like my guy went throwing random insults into the dude's face for no reason

[@ValexNihilist]

@@1v966 Oh I know. Definitely not saying Karl did anything wrong. I thought it was hilarious lol

[@lucisforest7780]

0:42 Silly *itchel had me dead

[@NateBrady]

I don't know how I fell down this rabbit hole, but I've watched a few of these Billy Mitchell and Todd Rogers videos now and where is the Netflix series?

[@brandongnuschke3870]

If Todd keeps this up he’ll finally hold an actual world record for failed lawsuit attempts.

[@garystinten9339]

Speedrun!

[@newwavex8665]

I feel really bad for Todd. His life must be very hard, to cling onto a high score for a video game. I hope his life gets better.

[@neoqwerty]

A high score that he verified himself back when it was still up, too. Yes, Todd Todgers was a Twin Galaxies verifier and *he verified a substantial amount of his own records*, including Dragster. (Also verified several of Silly's scores, too.)

[@fade2black001]

He's been doing it for what, 40 years now?

[@jjandjacks7928]

@@fade2black001yep, he’s been faking scores from at least September of 1982.

[@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN]

He seemed really pathetic in Chasing Ghosts.

[@lostskull7467]

Tbh when you file lawsuits that could theoritically end up stealing huge amounts (with the intent of doing so) then I think you don't even deserve pity

[@stanlexii4846]

cheers for good work Karl, by saying guiness book was english at first got my eyebrows raised..then yeah i check the full story about it... i'd die less dumb lol

[@Crowbars2]

0:43 1:19 - Silly Bitchell 2:21 - Back to Billy Mitchell

[@TheScrunge]

I swear Karl, that one day Todd Rogers and Billy Mitchell will want you to write their biographies with how much knowledge you have of them.

[@MakieMisa]

And knowing Karl, he'll do it.

[@TheScrunge]

@@MakieMisa 100%!

[@xen0bear]

i love how karl’s gloves are just fully off at this point

[@d3monicwolf]

idk why but hearing "Hello you absolute legends" always makes me smile.

[@eggs8021]

The thing that is the most ridiculous and hilarious to me is the fact this man managed to misspell his own goddamn name

[@mitchellfagan7701]

10 seconds into the video "He doesn't have a weird mullet or a nice suit" I'm howling already 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ANas-xq3ly]

I love these updates about these guys!

[@saxongreenep]

Hilarious and informative video as ever. I can put you in touch with my lawyer here in the uk if it’s any help? Keep em coming Karl.

[@LieutenantLettuce]

At this point I'm pretty sure Todd is just a broken record in disguise

[@GAMEPRODELTA]

I dunno, even broken records play a different track once in a while.

[@grunkleg.3110]

Hey speaking of broken records. Or I guess records that were made up

[@fl4p159]

A broken record with no world records

[@Kaedalus]

3 broken records in a trenchcoat

[@krzkrz7091]

Nice pun!

[@Enots7]

Todd "The Human Element" Togers and Silly Bitchell never fail to entertain with their shenanigans! The dynamic duo!

[@WarlockX4]

RIP Apollo Legend... "None other then the human element Todd Rogers"

[@EllisSteinberg]

Dear Karl. You are the most hysterical and entertaining channel on KZbin I adore your videos. Please keep doing what you’re doing, you absolute legend.

[@owerino2]

Im loving Karl's lawyer arc 👨‍💼

[@squalltownz4613]

Lol you can tell Karl knows that Todd will probably love watching these videos because they are about him so Karl has to make sure to call him an idiot as much as possible. I love it.

[@AlwaysRetr0]

I honestly think he's taunting him to create some sort of illegitimate legal case against him because he would find it funny

[@circleo1992]

If I had a nickel for every time Todd Rodgers lost a case against Twin Galaxies, I would have two nickels. That is not a lot, but it's crazy that he tried to sue them twice.

[@Loctorak]

Copying jokes from somewhere else and changing two or three words to make it relevant zzzz

[@dc7993]

@@Loctorak using a figure of speech does not equal stealing a joke but okay

[@circleo1992]

@@Loctorak I meant to reference Phineas and Ferb.

[@mo0kthechef]

You'd probably have more money than Todd in that case...

[@jazzmusic9753]

@@Loctorak booooooo bad comment booooooooo

[@obiwanshinobi76]

Billy Mitchell and Walter Day are guest speakers at NERG this year in the UK 🤣😂

[@Waxon178]

Keep up the good work Karl!! Your take down of these 2 numpties is legendary. Almost as legendary as Dam 52 👊

[@lauravturner]

Really started off my day strong when I clicked this. Less than 5 minutes after waking up I hear "Silly Bitchell" and it's put a smile right on my face. Thanks for your updates Karl. Without you, truly no one would give a shit about these old dumbasses. Your presentation is the only thing that keeps them interesting enough for me to click a link about.

[@YOEL_44]

Wait until he can do the "Turd Ragers" video.

[@sadiewopen]

It's almost like Karl is working hard to get cheats to waste their money in suing him for slander. What a legend!

[@fifiwoof1969]

ABSOLUTE legend! Get it right Waide.

[@nate2929]

The judges need to start asap with billy Mitchell asap. Start making him paying back all the people he sued with his stupid lawsuits

[@Krail07]

"Can you imagine what kind of insane twisted ramblings would arise if Todd actually did respond to these motions? It would have been AWESOME!". I'm dead

[@pj9259]

Can't get enough of Todd Rogers. The man is amazing. He's like the Jussie Smollett of the gaming world.

[@red3y3z1]

Todd Togers* (according to court records he submitted)

[@noodles7011]

Except he isn't a dirty Niqqer

[@CrasherX2000]

Rodd Togers

[@StuffedVulture]

"This is Dragster country!"

[@GlennJimenez]

@@StuffedVulture oh my fucking god 😂