Get Good After Christmas - Simming

[@Awkward_Josh]

Preach, I just want to say brother, THANK YOU for introducing me to Raidbots.. So much less clunky than simc and very easy to check the best gear in my bags. As someone who sims religiously after every "upgrade", this has definitely been $3 a month well spent, and well deserved by the raidbots team.

[@Sam-qy1um]

Thanks Preach for this. My last guild (Casual Raiders) got pissed at me for trying to teach them this exact thing. Simming was not elitist and It was never about the number, it is about relative position of "Which is better". Glad I was not a crazy person. Great Series!

[@desislavvelchev8728]

*Looks at guild tag * Eject!

[@SondreGrneng]

Ive come the conclusion that the best option is to just casually mention you are simming something you just got and if people are interested in knowing wth you are on about, they'll ask. The people that for some inexplicable reason think that wanting to know what gear is the best you have is elitist wont have their minds changed too easily.

[@bloodswordking]

Helpful tip: The Simc addon actually can record what you have in your bank if you have it open when you type /simc

[@CLOWEN2010]

Raine ty for the advice

[@joke_d]

Oh, never thought any of these Get Good For/After Christmas would help me out this much. Not because they are bad or anything (they are great), but I am a pretty decent player so I know most of the things you've mentioned in previous videos. But Simming is something I never got into(even if I raided mythic) and I never thought it would be this easy. Thanks alot! ^^

[@franklintackettjr3592]

Thank you so much for this! I’ve always known that I need to sim, but when I did it I had no idea what I was going. This helped me a lot!

[@shioya7570]

Thank you very much Preacher. This is the one thing I'd been really put off doing for the longest time. Guess its time to spend the next little while simming my toon

[@jammydodger4125]

Played for years and never really simmed. Just kind of guessed it with target dummy testing/stat weight scores on guides. This was an incredibly useful guide for me, thanks.

[@koleebrewmaster9328]

Thanks for inspiring me to stop procrastinating and start simming! Yeah, I mostly tank, but still good to know how to max my dps for M+ and such. Always something I meant to do but never got around to. You made it look easy, so I did it! Created an account, became a patron, ran a few sims, and will do more this weekend. Thanks again!

[@Cluuey]

Just so you understand this. Raidbots is a web based front end for SimC, you've supported them via Patron but that money doesn't go to the people making the base sim, just the pretty front end. Whoever's behind Raidbots started a gold mine, the heavy lifting is done by volunteers! ;-)

[@caboose8402]

This was fantastic. Thanks, Preach. That's way easier than I thought.

[@Mr-qt4xr]

Really thanks a bunch for this info. Since I started playing in legion keybinding and addons has always been easy, almost a no brainer but simming is kind of daunting and probably something most players don't do. Looking forward to getting into simming I think.

[@rykergaming7041]

Thank you very much for breaking down simming..... I have played for 13 years and mostly as a tank over those years minus the Legion Expansion where I was pretty much forced to go dps to be able to raid in the guilds I have been in. I have used pawn / Simc / the desk top app for simulation craft and didn't really fully understand what everything was about. This video help break that stuff down and helped me understand what was going and ill be using Raidbots from now on.. Thanks again sir I love your videos.

[@Cluuey]

Raidbots is just a web based front end to Simulation Craft. If you get the the nightly builds of SimC you've got the same thing (almost), this website has helped the stability of the nightly improve in a more timely manner though.

[@rykergaming7041]

I used simulation craft desk top and then tried raidbots and for me personally I like raid boots better and feel it has been more accurate stat weights for each of my characters that I sim. And I liked how he ( preach and or Mike idk what he wants to be called ) broke down exactly what someone does and how it gets the info which was confusing to me before I see this video. But thank you for the reply I hope you had a good day

[@Gaming_Groove]

I was my guild's main tank in Wrath and Cata, and even then I carried bags full of gear and trinkets, two tank specs (one for AoE and movement and another for tank and spank fights), and extra glyphs. Knowing what to prioritize for each fight was a big deal...DPS, effective health, combat table coverage, pure avoidance, magic resistance, etc. I based a lot of it off of Theck's calculations over on maintankadin, but even back then, simming was important to figure out optimal threat generation and survivability for each fight. Haven't done any progression raiding since then...barely even play anymore, but it's cool to see how it's done now. On a side note, my favorite trinket was definitely the mirror of broken images...that thing was OP for the whole expansion lol.

[@gregorymcwilliams7493]

Great video Preach. Didn’t know about Raidbots, going to have to head over and try them out. Love your content, keep it up.

[@optimusgamingoce5803]

Thanks for the content that your putting up. It might not be everyones cuppa tea but i enjoy the content.

[@bertrandbillard5025]

I've never really bothered with Sim'ing being a tank, but watching your video has made me want to actually do it to get my DPS toons as good as they can be ^_^ Thanks for the video, Preach! If you fancy an oatcake, let me know!

[@boothy_p]

Wow! Thank You, 20 mins to explain, easy as pie! Very useful and informative, even for a dirty casual like me :)

[@Fr4bx]

Sims improved my results so much, as I invested In a stat that I pretty much ignored for weeks. Came out that I had a huge diminuishing return from the "standard" main stats, so add a bit of versatility (in my case) push my dps much forward.

[@UninformedProduction]

Used sim for years this.......is going to save so much time, thank you

[@jaystrouip7553]

Cant sim healers =(. You might do a video for healers finding their stat weights from spreadsheets/ druid resto weak aura.

[@mjsmagalhaes]

AskMrRobot does sim healers and tanks ..... As with all sims you have to pay attention if the results are actually meaningful.

[@jaystrouip7553]

AMR sims are so wildly different from simcraft and their dps profiles are often using incorrect rotations.

[@Sfx04]

as far as i know dresto druids don(t have a spreadsheet, monks and pala do

[@vaug567]

Join the class discord channels, I play a pally druid and priest.

[@WondderWaffel]

Go to your class/spec's discord, check faq channels and look at pins. Those are the most well kept, up to date, info sources for the healer specs. I would not recommend AMR, icyveins or noxxus for healers, wowhead guides can be ok for a starting point, but just go on the discord channels. You'll actually get reliable info there.

[@trulsrohk470]

I like how he channelled the Rock there for a little bit at the start talking about iterations! Also if you use the simc addon it includes everything in your bank if you have the bank open at the time of running the addon

[@parakletosuk]

I don't raid, but found this useful because I could work out if the stats i needed were the ones that the various websites say I do. Turns out, I needed a slightly different blend and so swapping gear around has led to increased DPS, so thanks.

[@thovarisk8699]

if you /simc WHILE your bank tab is open it WILL take into account those items.

[@TheBeastOfTheDark]

Dammit, the how to Sim video comes out the day after I teach myself how to do it. Great video Preach, but even better timing lol.

[@jaenther4175]

Thanks for this. I'd never done any simming of my toon before, just going off of guides and other people, but this last week dumped a bunch of trinkets on me and testing them all out ingame would've been a pita.

[@Fatmoviewatcher400]

I have kinda been afraid to try simming in the past as I have no idea what I am doing but it actually does look pretty easy to get into. I imagine using a combination of guides for best talents and simming can speed up the process of finding the right choices for gear. I suppose I will stop treating Pawn as gospel when looking at upgrades for my character. Thanks for the video and I am looking forward to further entries in the series (despite it being well past Xmas).

[@Arishmael]

OmegaCJS i dont know how it is for all classes and specs but i do know that Pawn for a dk in general is absolute dogshit. For unholy for example mastery will be the best stat for the most part unless you’re close to certain haste brakepoints. And for frost the best stats can change based on 1 item change alone. If you’re already using Pawn and want a reliable way to find upgrades i highly recommend simming your character and look around to see if there are different breakpoints for stats you want to hit

[@QuintemTA]

Pawn is only good if you sim your character. For example my Frost Mage is at 33.5% crit. So after I sim my character I put the stat weights into pawn. Those weights put crit at less half the value of my other stats. If you use the defaults for Pawn you're actually screwing over your character. You also need to use your head still anyway. If an item is an upgrade but lowers my crit below the 33.5%, even if Pawn says its an upgrade. Its actually not, because pawn only looks at the stat weights.

[@supergris43]

"its like a sexy jigsaw m8" Noice one ghosty

[@jrobpaqthe2nd]

This was so helpful for shadow priest. Raidbot is also much easier to use than the simcraft app as well, helped me pick out trinkets and which tier pieces to use

[@kimaclaret]

Okay now I finally know what simming is

[@kristinsearight3813]

Was all paying attention to the subject at hand until the little one popped in and now I’m distracted by how stinking cute. Totally have to rewatch the video now 😂

[@Nagoto1992]

Wonderful content! Thank you.

[@extraversi0n]

@3:32 You get everything you have in your bank as well, if you happen to have the bankdialogue open whilst using /simc. very handy

[@CLOWEN2010]

Ty so much preach, I've tried to learn how to sim, but couldn't find the right teacher, it all sounded so difficult, this helped me tremendously... Teacher preacher 2018 🍎

[@Juggs_WoW]

I'm waiting to see a video about Raider.io for mythic+ being the new Gearscore of Wrath

[@gary6631]

I do m+ exclusively, never heard of this. What is it?

[@hopemyers799]

Hey Preach, I was excited about this video because I had always thought that sim'ing was a difficult thing to do, that it was an elite hardcore players action rather than something that I could do myself. Your video was very informative and I was excited to sim my character. However, when I tried, I found that raidbot does not sim for healers. So, what do you suggest for healers? I really want to be the best healer that I can possibly be, but I do not feel that I do well when deciding my gear choices. I do realize that gear could be totally situation depending on the boss (for healers), but I really want to know if there is a space where I can optimize my gear (specifically) and even potentially my talents. Thanks in advance for reading this comment and for any potential suggestion you may have.

[@ghostofsasquatch2815]

Thanks for this. I had no idea it was so easy.

[@mLiark]

Get good series is awesome man! Could you do some sort of healers and tanks video for this series? Anyways, keep up the good work i really enjoy what you doing :)

[@Pepperpotk]

Now how the hell do we sim tanks!? I'm loving this series thank you so much for all the work you put in this

[@Arishmael]

Pepperpotk you cant sim tanks effectively since they have to manage things differently. If you want guidance towards your specific spec i suggest checking out your class discord

[@Arturoslzr]

Hey Preach. Very good series of videos. Are you planning to upload more?

[@kloaf1131]

My issue with the desktop app is that you have to download a new build every day to run it or it may have different results than what it really is. Also if you are simming one thing to keep in mind if it is less than a percent difference in dps but you feel the secondary(more haste or crit) for example will smooth out your rotation more for you (it's probably slight but you might feel the difference). Then those items are so close it doesn't matter dps-wise on average.

[@97McLuvin]

Hey Preach. Just thought I'd give this point of view because it's different, and having different point if views is always good. But. I play WoW to have fun, not to optimize and number crunch, I always feel too overwhelmed and never know where to start. HOWEVER Your guides are among some of the most useful and digestible. I've keybinded to the point I no longer click just about anything (which is almost like playing a new game to me) thanks to you Anyway my ultimate point is even people who aren't interested in being a M+ top 100 raider could and SHOULD use info from your guides. Keep on keeping on m8

[@gary6631]

Someone who puts in the work to math will always be better than someone who doesn't on paper. I'd suggest overcoming this by just practicing content and ensuring you make zero mistakes in gameplay. Someone who does 10% more dmg on paper may not actually do more dmg in practice if they make more mistakes than you. Also I play at the norm/heroic level with my friends. I have no interest in the shit storm that is mythic raiding. I do feel like optimization is good though for keystones which is the only thing I sim my characters for. Edit: My wife plays with me and she hates all the theorycrafting, she unfortunately does lag behind because of this. My friends and I have no problem picking up her slack and we all have fun together. Point being; if you dont care about min/maxing then if you play with friends who are okay with that then I wouldn't sweat it.

[@97McLuvin]

Gary you got it man, I've been in social guilds for the last few years since I stopped going hard in WoW Make friends where I can and have as much fun as possible is how I do it haha I have buddies that min/max so when it comes down to what piece of gear I should choose or cooldowns i should prioritize, its always a PM away :P Plus I play a popular class (Frost Dk) so plenty of info floating around in game without the need of all the number crunching being done yourself I guess what I'm saying is. I'm a lazy cunt Cheers m8!

[@danthewatcher9681]

kappin kraken, so I'm not the only one thinking this way!

[@97McLuvin]

Dan The Watcher definitely not!

[@Przymiot]

In the old days we were using simulationcraft. It still exists and after coming back I'm now using it again...why choose a 3rd party site over the original app?

[@TheBlizzzard123]

Hello preach,i have been a raider for a long time and considered myself pretty good player but always tought simming is hardcore bullshit for nerds as you said but it really helped and im thankfull,mostly because i rly didnt know what trinket to use. Thats the only reason. And btw if you select 3 targets its ment as fight like high comand or 3 bosses on cleave ?

[@bexa9011]

Thanks, this vid was super helpful. saw the vid when it came out jan 4th and tho ye cool i'll do it later. And now i really needed to know about a trinket and did my first sim. :) 2 months later

[@jossa90]

Preach, do you have an opinion on Ask MR Robot in the use-case of what items are good for you or not? :) And also their simulations

[@Sudboyz]

@Preach Gaming what do you think about Ask Mr Robot for simming and gear recommendations?

[@Wbrism]

Hey Preach, really enjoyed the video. The last time I played was TBC/Wotlk and back then it was mostly about EJ spreadsheets so my experience with sims is pretty much nonexistant. It would be really cool if you follow this up with a video where you show us some more advanced stuff. thx in advance

[@Ent_rush]

Hey Preach, so I've started simming now and I know what kind of gear I should be looking for (more haste for me) but before I grind for a particular piece of gear that I think is an upgrade, how can I find out if it actually would be an upgrade? or if there is a better item out there that I should focus on getting?

[@SondreGrneng]

I know that this is old as fuck at this point and perhaps you already know. but currently, on the raidbots website there is a thing called droptimizer that lets you sim all gear in a dungeon, or if you are paying, all gear dungeons, or in raids, etc and it will just tell you what gear is an upgrade for you.

[@TheStormie456]

"blizzard are gonna sort it out next expansion" monkaS

[@Grandy_UiD]

How do you properly sim a fight like e.g. High Command (or any fight with adds regularly spawning but not being up all the time)? Preach just used "3 Bosses" which doesn't seem right to me, or is it? I guess Beastlord was a fight like that so do I use that fight style? But isn't it also dependant on the number of adds? Really confusing... Also what the fuck is Ultraxion fight style? I don't remember this being anything but a Patchwerk fight.

[@MilitusGaming]

Haha, Preach... I kept looking for an addon called "SimC" based on your talk in the video. :/ I am such a noob. Saw you Addon note in the Comment section. Ty for the video!

[@jessemiller5583]

Can you add all the After christmas videos to the playlist get good for christmas?

[@redictor]

but how do you properly sim a mythic+? do you use the 3 bosses light movement or something? i'd imagine so being a melee but

[@SondreGrneng]

Looked for this video since one of my guildies wanted to know what simming was, and I decided to just watch it again. The thing he says about main stats being worth less than secondary stats? STILL TRUE!

[@diamondz28]

As far as I know the APL for simc is optimized only for Patchwerk,atleast for MM hunters that it so you should only be using that

[@xavierpne1]

What would you recommend for swimming tanks?

[@corruptCrown]

What do you think about Ask Mr. Robot? Curious

[@w3dg3h]

This was really good, I don't do much DPSing so useful to get half decent performance

[@acidblu93]

Could you please add this to the other Playlist?

[@ThePwnnz]

Question for you Preach.. does simming work for tanks and healers or does it just show how to do most damage?

[@tlahuicolebarrraz7772]

Bounced on my boys simcraft for hours to this

[@Eschatonx]

Thanks preach, bring back the class guides soon! :)

[@gary6631]

For tanks do you suggest simming for dps or just building tanky. I only do up to +15 keys and I don't raid outside pugs. I realize after further reading that this is a very controversial question. Maybe you should tackle this in one of your tank vids.

[@gary6631]

Currently I just have an excel doc that I made myself for survival which lets me focus on EHP or mitigation. Also the guardian/pally discords are an absolute shit storm for asking questions there.

[@Cluuey]

Ask Mr Robot can sim tanks (healers too for that matter). There's a lot more to both than for DPS but the results are useful and quite customisable. They added a "blender" option a while ago so you can choose how much toughness you want to trade for DPS. You might need some help with it but they have a forum and a discord server you can get help from. I expect negativity for stating this, it's bound to happen as this is the internet. The people who say this is wrong or AMR are bad haven't really looked into it or they're just parroting what someone else said, the class Discords are the worst for this.

[@gary6631]

Im honestly surprised. KZbin comment sections are actually more useful than the class discords. Thank you sooo much for this info.

[@dawfydd]

This is one thing i miss about classic/TBC simming was for the most part un-needed, there were very few choices in terms of upgrades and most people knew Gruuls trinket was still sought into BT and some beyond. I get now titan fart, and randomly generated stats make this much more complicated but god its just extra busy work imo lol.

[@mc15cp]

So i simd my enhancement shaman and turns out the build and gear I had made it so i needed to focus on mastery way more than the default i been following. But my dps went down. So I'm playing with it.

[@paulolima1678]

Hi nice video, help me a Lot, but... Those sim sites are mostly for dps right? Is there anything similar for tanks where you can sim survivability? I meen what help me dps as a tank if I keep dieing? Thx

[@Cluuey]

Have a look at Ask Mr Robot, siming tanks is more complicated but quite possible. They have a forum and Discord server if you need to ask for help, or for something to be explained.

[@w3dg3h]

Class discord is definitely your best bet for tanking

[@menarg1549]

can you sim tanks? or atleast do the best gear thing for them?

[@DevilGremlin69]

HELP! "One of your gearsets is empty or has an empty item in it" (won't let me Compare items) keeps coming up with that error)

[@HalikBun]

MY BABA!!

[@stupidcoyote]

This seems to be geared towards dps... can I use this method for Healing as well? ~resto-druid.

[@MegaFlubbs]

"It's like a sexy jigsaw, mate" Ghosty 2018

[@MrFrenklin5]

What simming options should you pick for m+?

[@Xilith90]

So what do I do as a healer? Healing specs aren't supported by Raidbots :/

[@JoãoMPinhoAlves]

Hello preach, Does this work for healers? or only for dps? you only talk about dps I think

[@simppl5597]

Do people actually have heavy movement sets and specific time window sets?

[@TheCaptnChunk]

Shouldn't you just have used hecticaddcleave and 1 boss for high command? Only one boss is up at a time and hecticaddcleave assumes constant adds and heavy movement.

[@Alithia451]

How does Raidbots compare to AskMrRobot, and how can I remove the "too many items selected" restriction? Could you do a video about logging?

[@Krillol]

Alithia451 you will have to sim with less items simply and redo the sim with the "best gear" from previous sim and the items to find out what is best. It is simply to reduce the workload for the website

[@Alithia451]

Krillol just became a patreon. :)

[@singhssp]

yes

[@basuo8378]

i'm pulling 400k dps less then i'm simming and at the start of the xpac i was pulling 94% parses when i was going for mythic raiding. anyway to tell what i'm doing wrong?

[@valderhide1674]

I've been trying to Simcraft but not really making sense of it, This raidbots sight looks 1000% easier to undertstand

[@ruggeror2896]

Thanks for the video! How do i sim relics?

[@UnwrittenNoise]

I had 3% ST DPS of upgrades sitting in my bags. Turns out WW 2 piece from antorus is much worse without the 4 piece bonus than I thought it was.

[@theredfox22]

this is great for dps but what can healers do to make sure that we are doing everything that we can to push out the most healing we can?

[@TheCaptnChunk]

If you don't use pawn how do you know if a piece of gear is an upgrade?

[@MrLolguy93]

Preacher, I just did a simulate on my main. In the simulationcraft program it says that haste is my best stat, but when I copied the simc on the raidbots it said mastery was my best start. Any advice?

[@rennac9666]

Use raidbots, much easier to control the settings and is most accurate.

[@MrLolguy93]

Thanks man. Should i keep my pawn addon?

[@rennac9666]

FatLeon93 Yes. Preach doesnt like it but its very useful for finding upgrades for general slots that dont change much like belt boots bracers and jewelry

[@MrLolguy93]

Thx man. Appreciate it

[@t.aro.952]

Simc is bugged now. Some items from antorus don't show up, so raidbots for now is better

[@robh316]

Well big cheers there as well preach I had a trinket in my back lower item lvl I totally dismissed it but damn it's an extra 300k dps thanks to simc.cheers

[@Voojitsu]

Idk about all the Fight Styles... I talked to the best hunters in the game on hunter Discord and they all agree that you should ALWAYS use Patchwerk and only change number of bosses, because other fight styles in raidbots can mess up the sims and you get wrong results. Maybe it's different for other classes, idk, but I'd still stick to using Patchwerk. *ALSO!!!* "Additional Pantheon Trinkets in Raid" sims for the number of *Aman'thul's Vision* in the raid and not the epic ones! This is really important because full raid of Aman'thul will proc WAY MORE OFTEN than full raid of epic trinkets.

[@Voojitsu]

I'm playing MM and I talked to other MM hunters. People like Azorthartion say that it's still best to use Patchwerk fight style for all the sims.

[@aedslol]

What about specs that come up with inaccurate sims like Shadow priest?

[@Bar_Avigal]

Spriests simply need to follow H2P/priest discord as gospel and that's that.

[@aedslol]

you ain't wrong lol

[@satchmoomega2686]

Help I can't find the sumulationcraft addon.

[@MyKoolaidz]

8:20 I would watch a video with more description on this subject

[@whispyr5793]

Part 5 I believe is what you're looking for, its a previous video

[@MyKoolaidz]

Lol yeah that excatly what I was thinking of

[@mladenranelovic3269]

Thank you so much, it really is easy!

[@watchthe1369]

stats have thresholds where suddenly the secondary stat gains supremacy?

[@Mordrace34]

M Y B A B A

[@sundertooth1666]

Why didn't we sim gear as much in past expansions? Was it really just the WF/TF system?

[@ColorlessStone]

Mythic plus has upped the pool of items you can choose from.

[@lafysa8654]

Simming is also much more accessible. The clean interface of raidbots is much easier to use compared to the dated interface of simcraft.

[@danielmartin2213]

Sundertooth WF/TF system combined with secondary stats being super bonkers for some classes, and M+ potentially giving higher ilvl than raids, plus legendaries.... Not as simple as just reading a guide that someone used SimCraft and said these are your BiS items anymore

[@Mr91Jmay]

WF/TF plays a role. So does the player-base getting better with each expansion as more knowledge of the top filters down.

[@the_drgoblin]

Thank god Blizz is gonna fix the items next expansion, this bfa is looking pretty sweet.

[@barnumcastillo2789]

When you realise that your main sucks, thk for the video very educative.

[@toprap88]

ty this helped alot, especially when new to wow xD

[@juanchosho]

Hi Is there a big difference between mrrobot and raidbots?

[@megamurloc5739]

Preach is the best. Talisen and Evitel sent me

[@johnevans4011]

how dos it work for tanks? ^^

[@splinte111]

question so Bosses also means ads on simming?