Controversial kpop opinions i will get cancelled for

[@vickychannnnn]

Won-young was the perfect choice for the center. Please grow up everyone, y'all really need to stop blaming her now.

[@PinkiePies_Pie]

I agree

[@vixxexo6855]

Sakura was the real center if it was not for Mnet rigging her place just cause they don’t want a japenese center. Glad Mnet got their karma with a chinese center in Zerobaseone.

[@PinkiePies_Pie]

@@vixxexo6855 there is no solid evidence to support your claim. Whether that is true or not, we will never know.

[@lavienrosewon8811]

​@@vixxexo6855 Sakura is so weak as singer...wonyoung get better in better in vocal

[@sangwoossnacc9959]

​@@vixxexo6855Nope, WONYOUNG is that center! she deserves that position 🙄

[@misoleine]

i don't think iz*one sakura was confident enough to be as good a center as wonyoung for the korean comebacks (since she was less fluent in the language and less comfortable in her dancing) but she did suit the japanese comebacks very well

[@vronji]

although im pretty sure sakura should have gotten 1st in produce had the votes not been rigged, wonyoung is definitely the best center izone couldve asked for. totally agree with your statement.

[@Palestinewillbefree0006]

Xiaoting is literally one of the only members with a future , she is far from underrated. Same with Bahiyyih, both aren’t the best vocalist. It’s so stupid how people whine about them not getting enough lines like THANK GOD THE ACTUAL VOCALIST GET LINES

[@mymelodramaticantics]

People wanna scream mistreatment at everything, like how the fuck do you expect below average vocalists to sing lines they can't actually sing? It just doesn't make sense. I understand that producers also have to take in consideration the idols' vocal abilities when composing songs but there is only so much they can do when a person lacks in a certain area smh

[@vixxexo6855]

⁠@@mymelodramaticanticsXiaoting can sing well enough for her to get proper lines. Also Xiaoting is a proffesional ballroom dancer. Atleast in Galileo Xiaoting got real lines.

[@mymelodramaticantics]

@@vixxexo6855 Well, considering the fact that she's in a group with better singers than her, it's only fair for them to sing more than her. Her being a ballroom dancer also doesn't really have much to do with her vocals.

[@whatever6645]

Bahiyyih has released enough covers to show she has one of the best vocal in kep1er. Xt is nowhere near BH when it comes to vocals let’s not lie to ourselves now.

[@nineliza-lp6xp]

But xiaoting can rap

[@Tory7.]

I'm an ARMY and I love the opinion you had on BTS! No one's experience or hardship should be invalidated! No one is suppose to tell others I had it tougher than you so you're own experience isn't valid. We should learn not to invalidate other peoples experiences and hardships just because we think we or someone we know had it harder. Everyone's experiences/hardships are valid, THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION. So many people had it tough and it's not a good thing to tell them they didn't because you feel your faves had it tougher! Your faves experience and the other groups experience are BOTH VALID. BTS story to fame is indeed an inspiration to others to work hard, be dedicated and keep on moving, We thank them for consistent efforts and the many doors they opened. I also loved your 2nd opinoin because why debut a group when you know you don't have enough budget to sustain them and keep them pushing? It just doesn't make sense!!!

[@apuuuuu]

Opinion 4 was so true like just recently ateez were on the zack sang show & they tweeted the part were ateez were asked our them being the most popular 4th gen kpop group to come from outside of big 4 companies. Ateez were talking about their initial struggling days since kq was an unknown company back then but the quotes to that tweet were filled with army's beings bitter about ateez saying that & some were like "ateez is obsessed with having an underdog story". Like bro wtf??? Many armys just behave like no one else is allowed to have an underdog story. I'm both an army & an atiny so this really pissed me off. Like you toxic people are the reason why us sane armys get a bad name.

[@ricky_son_of_a_bish]

The most popular 4th gen kpop group outside of the Big 4 companies? Why I have never heard of them?

[@apuuuuu]

@@ricky_son_of_a_bish maybe you mostly listen to big 4 groups 🤷‍♀️

[@ricky_son_of_a_bish]

@@apuuuuu Wrong I listen to groups outside of the Big 4 too.

[@BELIEVER78989]

KQ was not completely unknown, they had Block B which was a pretty popular group back in the days.

[@apuuuuu]

@@ricky_son_of_a_bish I said "mostly" but anyways good for you

[@wintoraa_]

Sakura was really popular before stepping into pd48 and was really famous but that doesn't mean she was the best contestant in sp she sings good and dances good but for being center you need that charm , perfect face movements as you are a center and there is a reason why pd48 producers made wonyoung center she has that charm that she showed during izone and now in ive just because Sakura was an idol before doesn't mean she was perfect center for izone btw your video's are always amazing

[@maluteas]

Both were amazing centers though, and both deserve the center position. OP makes it feel like Sakura doesn’t have charm when she does 😭

[@bb.yani1]

The girl can't even sing, heard her encore stages and wanted to bleach my ears.

[@Maestro_Wonu]

Honestly the only person who could have made a perfect center if not Wonyoung is defo Eunbi. Till this day, I still don’t get what the Sakura party was really going on about tbvh (P.s this is not hate to Sakura herself, I clearly said “party”)

[@dks13nic]

no 4 is REAL. this is literally happened one or two weeks ago (I don't remember) in X. like one dive is literally only praising wonyoung for all her hard works since the PD48 until now without mentioning any idols or groups, that dive is not even mentioning other ive's members, just wonyoung. and out of nowhere armies suddenly attacking that dive and wonyoung, trying so hard to discredit wonyoung hard works, they even spreading fake infos about wonyoung, like she used to be a model or saying that her father is a rich business man. like wtf 💀mind your own business please? no one even mention bts so why tf are you armies jump into dives business and say some BS. FYI, every idols have their own story and struggle, even idols from the big 3 also has their own struggle. it doesn't matter who has more struggle or not, IT'S STILL A STRUGGLE. idols when they still a trainee is already counted as their struggle. I'm sorry but there lots of groups that have more struggle than bts, which is all those nugu groups. lots of nugu groups had to deal with their company harrassing them, s3xual harrasment, physical attack, creepy staffs and CEO, their CEO sell them to some big investors, and many more. YES bts had so much struggle, but that doesn't mean other groups or idols struggle is fake.

[@soft4taeng]

Omg i remember…it was crazy because that tweet never even remotely mentioned bts, in fact it only talked about Wonyoung but so many armys took it as a personal attack and started coming for her unprovoked…some people need to grow up and realize that not everything revolves around their faves 😭

[@dks13nic]

@@soft4taeng yes that was crazy 😭😭. Like wtf are you armies doing in this tweet. No one mention bts or any bts members or even hybe and bighit. Suddenly they get triggered by an innocent tweet of one dive praising wonyoung. Not to mention there are also some bunnies joining for no reason 💀 but mostly armies.

[@ricky_son_of_a_bish]

It took me 10 minutes to realize what you meant with "X". But I agree, fans need to realise that their faves aren't the only ones with an underdog or struggle story.

[@iloveyouiwantyouseokmattchu]

Number 4 was spot on. I wrote a comment about how proud I was of Seventeen and the fact that they endured so many hardships, and an Army appeared and said "BTS too, in fact BTS are the definition of struggle." Like what?

[@h0r4ngha3]

RIGHT like okay we dgaf we were talking abt seventeen here 😭😭

[@2FullMoons]

I so agree with Nr. 2. Kpop is a business at the end of the day, and it’s smart to invest the most in your biggest money makers. I’d like to extend this point to the whole ‘boy groups get treated better than girl groups’ mentality a lot of gg stans have. The truth is, boy groups are the biggest money makers in kpop. Even now in this generation where it seems like girl groups are the main topic of conversation, boy groups are still quietly the most profitable ones. They’ve always sold more albums, sold more singles, had bigger tours and so on. The only category where girl groups tend to do better is with the general public in Korea, but still, boy groups are far more profitable overall. That’s why for example, companies usually debut their girl groups with a single, or a single album, don’t have the same huge budget for MVs and so on. It’s not as safe & profitable of a business venture as boy groups are. I hate how narrow minded some gg stans can be about this. It’s not all ‘misogyny’, it’s just business. I also agree with Nr. 3. Of course small companies don’t have the budget to create the best & the most content out there for their groups, but what they truly lack is creativity. That is why they almost never make it. Working with actually talented people ( which there is PLENTY of everywhere ) who are creative is the most important thing because first of all, they have good taste ( very important ) and they know how to be resourceful. They know how to make stuff out of nothing. Working with the right people is, IMO, even more important than having a huge budget.

[@kaylabunnie5283]

Very true. BG bring in hard cash from their dedicated fandoms and the company gets to keep a high percentage of that money, especially if they can prevent the boys from writing and producing for themselves. GG bring in prestige to the company from their brand deals but most of that cash goes to the girls. GG charting and streaming numbers don't bring much cash but it ups the company's status and reputation in the industry.

[@2FullMoons]

@@kaylabunnie5283 That’s a very good point.

[@katgreer6113]

sold more because of fan power.

[@ricky_son_of_a_bish]

Not really, there are boy groups who sell the same or less than girl groups from the same company as them, however they receive comebacks more frequently and are promoted way more compared to girl groups. As for the Wakeone part, ZB1 also have Ricky in their group, the biggest nepo baby in K-Pop, so the company is doing everything to keep him and his groupmates satisfied.

[@yooluvmi_]

no it’s misogyny, they’ve been treating them bad since the very beginning before zb1 even existed, why would sabotage their only money makers at that time

[@Augustlaster]

I agree with opinion 2 because people were so mad at zb1 for doing more better than kep1er and the truth is the general public is more interested in zb1 than kep1er so it makes sense for them to get the most expensive things like I know how it may be unfair for kep1er to get low budget items but zb1 is more known so that's jut the truth sadly

[@soft4taeng]

Yeah it sucks that the company never put effort into kep1er but there was no reason to attack the boys for something they have no control over

[@yooluvmi_]

kep1er’s debut was far more successful than zb1’s was, why did they fall off with the public? because that company doesn’t care to properly manage them

[@yooluvmi_]

@@soft4taengyour opinion doesn’t make sense seeing as kep1er was doing very well at debit and company screwed them over by wasting their time in queendom 2, kep1er WERE the money makers of wakeone so why’d they throw them away far before zb1 was even made

[@benji0099]

​@@yooluvmi_ in terms of spotify or youtube maybe, but companies make the most money from album sales.......and ZB1's debut outsold Kep1er's by a large margin.

[@twiceeatsandslays]

I feel like people on Twitter when they found out, that's Sakura God, second, instead of won young People got so mad at her because they wanted Sakura to be first instead of won young.

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Wonyoung get better in better in vocal ,sakura now we know who is charismatic and have it factor

[@twiceeatsandslays]

@@lavienrosewon8811 just because wonyoung got First pntroduce 48 And the mentor said on produced 48 that she would be a good visual.

[@tatakaetatakae-cx4dx]

The main reason why I've seen army always saying this is because people love to discredit their achievements and k-pop community has somewhat become pretty anti-bts and always want to discredit their impact on making kpop popular(which is indeed huge)

[@Tabinjabbar]

This

[@DefinitelyNotAutumn...]

There is only one fandom song this..

[@Seungminniemouse148-zo8vd]

How is mentioning another group's hardships "discrediting" bts??? They are not the only group with hardships so I honestly don't get it

[@gaho9734]

Also one more thing to opinion 4: as far as I saw every single idol has it hard. Hear me out...first the trainee days are literally inhuman, the stress of being kicked out on a montly basis + at least 6 hours of training a day on top of school (because let's be real, most of the trainees still attend school) + some travel 2-3 hours a day if they are not living in the dormitory. And this is in a time in their life when they don't receive any money, and let's be real, the company only provides for them the bare minimum in terms of living conditions. I literally cannot imagine the stress and hardships this gives to 12-13 years old kids. Especially the ones who leave their home and have to learn a brand new language on top of everything too. And on the top of this, I do think being an idol is hard work, and not as glamorous as it seems at first glance. They usually go on 2-4 hours of sleep, get maybe a few weeks of break in a year, and for the first few years (if they are not extremly lucky) they don't even receive a dime (groups from smaller companies usually even have a second job on the side to support themselves). I do think every idol suffers, even those having "big company priviledge", maybe some suffer less, but I could never imagine to become an idol.

[@Cryforme-]

Seriously! I Hate How Army's think only BTS Struggled Lemme tell you! There are many more groups in k-pop ! Just bcz BTS is most popular that doesn't means they're the only one who struggled There are literally other groups in k-pop who are more talented than BTS & who also struggled a lot

[@kaylabunnie5283]

I question how much BTS actually "had" to struggle. After looking into Bang Si-hyuk's life and hearing his philosophy about drawing in fans, I think most of BTS's "struggles" were manufactured to make them more relatable to fans...make fans root for them and do whatever to help them overcome. Hard practices/lessons for singing, dancing, etc is a struggle all idols have in common; but the shoddy/hazardous building, the mean staff that don't get fired, rude variety show host (now we know nearly all idols are treated crassly on those shows) very little to no food and cramped dorms...choices made by a very wealthy Hit-man Bang to build underdog characters with underdog stories that appeal to western audiences with lots of disposable time and income. "Reality" tv is always scripted.

[@Tabinjabbar]

@@kaylabunnie5283and y’all wonder why armys aren’t kind back. Bts literally made a book about their struggles throughout the years and I know damn well you aren’t trying to downplay what they have been through. Then y’all go preach about how armys are toxic but y’all can never shut your mouth about bts either

[@kaylabunnie5283]

@@Tabinjabbar A great deal of it was their own choices. Hitman Bang was/is a wealthy man with a load of industry clout and respect from his work with JYP. The King of Jingles put his boys through that stuff on purpose; he had the wealth for better accommodations but the "destitute" look pulls more knights and handmaids to the cause. Not saying they didn't struggle to get where they are but army act as if BTS struggles were so much more horrid than anything any other idol could possibly face. Especially the problems with SM, JYP and YG company stans. But now army takes pleasure in doing the same thing to others.

[@BELIEVER78989]

You seem like a Twice fan, and yet you have learned nothing from your idols and is continuously shading BTS here, this is like the 3rd or 4th comment I am seeing of you here stop already💀

[@BELIEVER78989]

@@kaylabunnie5283 PLS, y'all really need to do some research🤦‍♀️

[@Thing1G]

Xiaoting placed 2nd in Galileo Distribution so idk what they're on about

[@tehehannitehe]

O. M. G. THE SECOND ONE IS SO TRUEEEEEEEEEEEE … Like ik this isn’t exactly the same thing but like ofc wonyoung is going to get more attention from the company than the other members. No I’m not saying they should be making wonyoung look like a soloist, but of course, she’s their most popular member.( not discrediting IVE ot6 ) so yeah.

[@abookonlife]

If she wasnt getting the attention she is getting fans would be complaining that she isnt being treated like how she deserves to be treated considering she brings a lot popularity and is by far the most biased member.

[@tehehannitehe]

@@abookonlife yeah fr people are never satisfied

[@2FullMoons]

Yes and it’s not even as bad as some kpop fans make it out to be. It’s the over-analyzation of IVE that’s the problem. Yujin has been treated far better than Wonyoung but because people have a fixation on Wonyoung, they never got to see that. That’s why it’s funny, cause you can tell people are just hating and not actually caring for anybody’s treatment. Starship knew they can only rely on Yujin & Wonyoung to have a succesful group, they don’t have the reputation big3 + HYBE have with kpop fans, not many people were gonna tune in to their debut the same way or have company stans ready to buy anything, so they did what ANY smart business would do, pushed them a little more in the beginning.

[@lavienrosewon8811]

I think yujin is most treated better than wonyoung in solo schedules and lines + screentime...i feel wonyoung didnt get the time to showcase her talents more *i was disappointed than she singing simple ballad with liz as cover in their world tour in korea...wonyoung should get more fun cover or pop cover for showcasemore...i feel starship trying hide wonyoung now even she is least promoted member in 2023 .

[@lavienrosewon8811]

​@@abookonlife Actually Yujin is better treated member in ive no wonyoung .Starship trying hard decrease wonyoung's solo schedules or even lines in iam and wave .

[@Useri77u7u7]

sakura wasn't that good of a performer in izone.. nor vocalist so i also don't get why ppl thought she would've been a better center. but NOW she's amazing and im glad she's improved so so much

[@brandoncrenshaw5027]

Exactly BTS is not the only group to struggle so many groups in their debut struggle as well even the ones from The Big Three just because you from that company doesn't mean you're guaranteed success you have to work hard to get to the top. And there was a lot of groups people people thought wouldn't make it everybody struggles

[@Ari-nh9jq]

Awwww BTS struggled the most go cry in your crib.

[@brandoncrenshaw5027]

@@Ari-nh9jq only time I cried when I heard the whack-ass auto-tune voices because those dudes can't sing live to save their lives and like I said they're not the only ones that struggle and they did not struggle the worst stop lying they made it onto the shows there are other groups who never did at all now you go cry in the corner

[@Blushy_bacon_7]

​@@brandoncrenshaw5027gurl lol go Stan ur faves .....also bet ur faves didn't win 800+ awards ( now they will come at me saying I am toxic when the og just bashed them for no fucking reason ) #doublestanders

[@h0r4ngha3]

@@Blushy_bacon_7 bc yall are toxic, yall love to say "bts paved the way" to discredit other groups achievements, and when other fandoms try to defend their group, you go on about your day saying the other fandoms are toxic and were dragging your bts like no shit, of course they will because yall are discrediting their favorite group.

[@Blushy_bacon_7]

@@h0r4ngha3 Dude if army's say that ignore ??? R u dumb or what ? Also pls leave us alone enjoy ur day be with ur faves if anyone bashes them ignore its that simple

[@_Wonnielvrs]

Being center isn’t just being pretty I’ll always remember what the PD48 mentors once said they said that being a center isn’t just being pretty you need to attract the audiences attention be a good singer and a good dancer while Wonyoung fits in all of this Kkura wasn’t a very good dancer in IZ*ONE nor was she a very good singer,now in Le Sserafim she definitely improved in her dancing skills but her vocals needs to improve,Wonyoung was the perfect choice for center as her sp was on point her vocals were decent and her dancing was very good even being the 6th best dancer in IZ*ONE on top of that she was also quite a good rapper Kkura was also a good rapper and she shows those skills in LE SSERAFIM’S Japanese songs

[@crazyabout1327]

No hate to Sakura, but I never got the hype around her. The girl is a bad vocalist, a decent dancer (now; back in pd48 she couldn't even execute simple choreos). Yeah, she's pretty but in the Kpop industry who isn't? Okay, she was very popular when she auditioned for pd48 due to her long career in Japan (and my guess is that this is the one and only reason she got through the audition) but idols in Japan are not like idols in S. Korea. Idols in Korea are held to a very high standard and back in Izone Wonyoung did a great job as a center. She may be not the best vocalist out there, but damn, her facial expressions, the way she carries herself and the charisma she radiates is all center material.

[@Cryforme-]

I can't understand why army's have such a beef with rest of k-pop industry 🤡 Then I wanna ask army's how did the other groups became popular? Ofc coz they struggled for it Without Struggle how can you even become popular

[@BELIEVER78989]

Just do some research then you will get why Armys have "beef" with the entire kpop industry, fyi y'all kpopies are no saints either💀💀

[@_sunoobubble_]

Armys don't have beef with Kpopies..other kpop fandoms try to sabotage BTS

[@_sunoobubble_]

@@xbeckette as if they will get some award for not stanning BTS ...they think they are "not like other girls"

[@_sunoobubble_]

@@xbeckette Indian boys are definitely a whole different conversation bcz they just can't ( I mean just cannot) stand BTS ,BTS's popularity ...But I'm saying even so many kpop fans can't stand BTS ,,,whenever BTS or members gets nominated for music bank wins or something 2 or 3 fandoms unite to make BTS lose

[@_sunoobubble_]

@@xbeckette in the end BTS are winning so let them bark

[@franchesternunes8372]

The thing about is true army they behave like bts it the only group that when throught hardship recently they attack skz cause they won the VMA saying it and attend awards that why got it oh they're trying so hard to be like bts. JYP post congratulation after all the hardship you when through army saying they were disrespecting bts . They even attack ateez cause a post said ateez us one biggest group outside of the big 4 army then said they were disrespecting bts how I dont know. Bts is not the only group that struggle every idol struggle everyone deserve frame

[@harrymalfoy112]

Whenever a group 's struggle story is in light you'll see 75% of kpop stans will shade BTS and its so disgusting ( happened with 50-50) so naturally armys have to be defensive .

[@soft4taeng]

obviously if somebody attacked them it makes sense for the fans to defend them but i’ve seen armys inserting themselves in conversations even when bts weren’t even mentioned, let alone shaded

[@BAMMIE7613]

@@soft4taeng most of the time it starts with someone inserting bts name into it, either the fans or the company cuz most of the time most armys are unaware of whats happening in kpop space. for eg most armys didnt know abt 50-50 untill the article of them being potential next bts along with all the struggle story came up

[@Rabiana.]

I kinda agree. Toxic behavior is never justified but I hate when people say xyz fandom is toxic but never actually care about the fact that their hate trains toward a group is what makes a fandom toxic. Just look at fandoms like army, blink and... you can see a clear patern of how when groups are hated by other fandoms, fans see themselves responsible for defending them and their supportive behavior turns into possessiveness and toxicity.

[@BELIEVER78989]

@@soft4taeng nah it always starts with other fandoms, whenever BTS doesn't get enough KZbin views, number 1 on charts or anything else really those other fandoms attack and troll BTS as if they are always waiting for an excuse to hate on BTS and Armys, so naturally Army is defensive now, plus you have to remember Army is HUGE so like any other fandom we have some toxics too but most of the Armys are nice and considerate from what I have seen from my 7 years of being in the fandom🤷‍♀️

[@arushisanil3678]

Being defensive is fine ONLY when someone spat hate. You'll are out there arguing with other fandoms when no one even talked about you'll.

[@sarah0325_]

4. omg I agree - they were hating on skz bc they wrote songs around their hardships etc, it's so stupid like why are we gatekeeping hardship? why can only bts have hardship? Like why are we comparing hardship in the first place?!?!

[@hipployta]

Wait...I don't think this was targeted toward Big3 groups but towards groups that genuinely started with little to nothing.

[@sarah0325_]

@@hipployta well I don’t know who it was targeted to as op just said that they don’t like armys acting like Bts only had difficulties - either way I think this applies to all groups that become a target to this regardless of their company but yeah I see where you’re coming from, I’m just heavily involved w skz so they are really the first thing that comes to mind

[@norinabi]

More on the 6th opinion i said what both Hyuna and Dawn did for revealing their relationship was selfish because it stunted pentagon’s success and now since they broke up months ago Hyuna is still established while not people don’t care about Dawn anymore.

[@hipployta]

Dawn is actually charting really well on the Melon Top 100

[@Everythingz127]

​@@hipploytawhere ? Bro don't act like you don't get what we're saying

[@johnsthetic]

Army get so much pissed at any fandom and recently ateez had a interview and they were talking about the problems they faced and some army took that very personally. Like for me ATEEZ BTS both had a very hard journey due to company backgrounds. Ateez was so good that when they debuted people was surprised to know they were just rookies. Also army having the problem being sulky when any idol is getting support from other fans and inserting "what about bts" is so freaking annoying. As a army myself I feel so irritated. And shaming multistans and calling them names. I am so glad to be a multistan and some of these needs to touch some grass

[@jiminslostjams249]

Opinion 4 is one of the many reasons toxic “armys” make the whole fandom look bad

[@racheal_04]

Xiaoting is actually a great singer look up Xiaoting let's get it started and you'll see why. She isn't the main vocalist so obviously she isn't going to get as many lines at them. The problem is, is that she gets 500 seconds compared to Chaehyun getting 908.1 which is all of their songs combined. The worst one who has it though is Bahiyyih with 451.3 seconds and she sounds amazing as well. Singing is subjective so you can decide how you like someone's voice but there is no denying that talent is going to waste. Also there are groups with a lot of members and amazing line distribution so not really an excuse.

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

I would agree with the second opinion, but wouldn't the company need to make comebacks for the non-money making groups for them to actually get popular or some fans? So wouldn't neglecting be a bad thing?

[@soft4taeng]

That’s exactly what they should do but usually if those groups still don’t become successful then the company just stops trying with them and they start only giving them the bare minimum

[@yooluvmi_]

⁠@@soft4taengthen why would they throw them out after a huge successful debut

[@soul_tatoes]

With the Nugu one, i completely agree. I used to stan Good Day before they disbanded, after making one song. But then redsquare came out, and I was like 'Oh! Some of the members are back, maybe they could make it big one day?" Also disbanded. Then, we got Irris (I saw the Wanna Know mv in the background :D) and I was thinking "This is it, they left C9 and finally they'll get an actual career" but now we've had no comeback for 2 years and I have cried many times over these girls. :(

[@izzyisme7451]

I joined Kpop in 2014, with B.A.P n BTS being my main ults I later got into SVT during Mansae Era and just as i started to grow tired of kpop I "discovered" Ateez and Dreamcatcher in 2021 All of these group's similarity? They were from small companies and they were in the brink of bankrupcy and legit the groups that i ult as their main bread earner or successful group (aside from B.A.P cuz TS is trash) I saw how B.A.P/BTS/SVT struggled through their low budget eras and how they grew successful and gained more fans And i also saw how all my ult groups gained their popularity and helped their companies escaped bankrupcy and them being able to use/wear legit luxury items instead of knock offs in MVs n real life So no, i truy believe the "rags to riches" story does not only belong to BTS becuz i can safely say i saw SVT n Ateez do the same

[@zzz_12121]

So excited for this video!

[@radioactive_baby]

There are still people who think TXT didn't struggle at all and were completely privileged during their trainees days, and with the recent stuff they said plus stuff theyve said in the past we know that obviously not true. First of all, TXT were all trainees before BTS got super big. They even trained at the old building too. Soobin was put on super strict diets, Kai and Taehyun both got electrocuted in one of the practice rooms, and Taehyun almost died from that. I don't know much about Yeonjun or Beomgyu's time there but I don't believe it was easy at all. Beomgyu was pretty muchimmediately put on the debut team when he joined which probably put a ton of pressure on his shoulders and Yeonjun being the legendary trainee most likey felt tons of pressure because he was constantly in first place for every category so he probably felt like he had to hard twice as much. Don't forget about the power imbalances between the trainees

[@buninizine]

nugu group stans have such a superiority complex

[@zhisu2665]

ARMY really need to get over the sob-story, it's been years, they're millionaires. they're over it so the fandom should be too.

[@bampyanarayanarai7274]

As an army,no we dont need to get over the sob story but instead we need to control where and how to speak

[@amiboacid7183]

As a long time AKB48/HKT48 fan, I find it ridiculous the way people insist so badly on her being the center. In the 10 years she spent as a member, she never once won Senbatsu, and she got to be center ONLY ONCE

[@Cryforme-]

Bro how come did you manage to spill so much facts on the 4th opinion ! You spilled facts I love you & guess what you got a new subscriber

[@soft4taeng]

Thank you! 🥹

[@momomomo__]

i think the problem with companies and favouring their money makers to me is just the wasted potential. look awjsn and ive, for example. both groups are from the same company, had hype from predebut and had popular members from an extremely popular produce group. the difference is that starship gave up on promoting wjsn because they didn't get instant success, and they decided to promote ive at all costs. even the members' birthday events have completely different budgets, it's absolutely insane. ive members get lavish cakes, a whole roo, decorated with ballons and stuffed animals, a whole crew behind the camera, whereas wjsn members got some tacky strings falling off the walls and a simple cake with barely any decorations. i don't think it bothered the girls too much, but it's such a visual representation of the way they're treated. i think it's a missed opportunity, given the difference between the attention they give the groups. it's normal and smart when it's groups like mamamo and purple kiss. both get good promotions and budget from the company, but obviously they invest more in mamamo, given how popular they are. but when there's a huge gap in treatment like astro and weki meki (the worst offender imo, the way weki meki literally gets payed dust is disgusting), or ive and wjsn, i have a problem with it. even after the hype wjsn gor from winning queendom, and now from one of the members also making it into the group in queendom puzzle, starship decided to waste the hype. because last sequence was one of their most underfunded promotions and it was the comeback they should have invested the most on, given the attention the group was getting. situations like those are the ones that annoy me the most, because they could have a super popular group like ive and also have a more mid tear popular group that still brings in constant funds, given the dedicated fanbase. instead, they choose to have a hyper popular group and one that's struggling and nearly constantly in the dungeon and whose fans hate the company. it makes no sense to me.

[@hipployta]

WJSN had been out for like 6 years by the time IVE debuted and their birthdays after the first year look just as broke

[@soft4taeng]

You're totally right about starship wasting wjsn's potential, it makes no sense for the group to win queendom and for the company to not make the most of it and wasting their hype, but believe me starship is also putting little effort into ive as well and their birthday decorations are such a meaningless factor that it doesn't even make sense to bring them up. From underwhelming album designs to recycled outfits, from not capitalizing on the use of tiktok to the utterly awful way they have managed their latest comeback, starship is being lazy as hell when it comes to managing them...i made a whole video about this and i genuinely believe that the girls are doing this well simply because they have a loyal fandom and have the general public in a chokehold. Starship does the bare minimum with all their artists and this is so infuriating.

[@momomomo__]

@@soft4taeng as I said, I don't think the birthdays are that big of a deal tbh, I just kinda mentioned it because visually it kinda showed the difference in effort put into both groups. and I totally agree that they don't t put nearly as much effort as they should into ive as well, but the fact that they do the bare minutes with ive and somehow that still comes off as favouritism just shows how little effort they put into wjsn

[@Ari-nh9jq]

Why wouldn't they favor the money makers that's a business btch 💀 Y'all got to stop making the dozens popular so that the company stops focusing on them like it's really a you problem

[@sabrinaaaluv2083]

sakura is popular back then, that makes sense that many ppl wants her to be the center. but if i am going to compare it with kep1er, chaehyun is also popular because of her MY SEA performance that many voted for her. but when they debuted, they saw xiaoting's performance and stage presence (?) better than chaehyun. and they started saying that xiaoting should be the center. and when xiaoting is being treated as the center in group performances, chaehyun stans started to make noise. that makes sense, because if someone is satisfies already with what they are seeing, they're silent. but if they're not, they'll make a petition or even get to the point where they send protest vans in front of their favs company. sighs. edit: sakura's dance improved and she's more confident now y'all #stanlesserafim

[@chae.vibess]

YOURE VIDEOS SEEMS LIKE HIGH QUALITY AND I AGREE WITH LITERALLY EVERYTHING ❤

[@ouriiangel]

whats the group shown on opinion 3?

[@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks]

Soft is slaying again 💅🏾

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Wony have it factor no sakura. The real reason ,wonyoung get center cause she is better singer than sakura even wonyoung improved so much in live stage .Sakura get not real improvement causes hybe suck vocal trainning but tho she get overshadowed by other members

[@nikodismal4989]

Totally agree with the statement that companies which know that they can't cut it probably shouldn't give aspiring idols false hope. The market is beyond oversaturated and the top 5-6 companies have upped the ante on MV production/promotion/artist selection and training to dizzying degrees. It doesn't turn out well 99% of the time, especially if they have zero interest in anything but attaining money (not that there's anything wrong with a business wanting to turn a profit per se, but, frankly, it's kind of like being a teacher, unless you really want to do it because you feel like you like the job or want to make a change or be particularly competent at it because you care about the profession, there's no reason to do it, because the money's just not gonna be there). I guess there might be artists whom wanna try being an idol desperately, but, get beaten out when auditioning for larger companies, but, listening to some of the artists whom went through it, it's like 70% regret to 30% arduous, but, hey, worthwhile experience in their view. Or as was the case with Daisy 100% regret. Then again, MLD was shady af, but, then, that's not an isolated case. It brings me no satisfaction to say it at all, but, again, unless the goal is just kind of living out the wish to be in the entertainment industry, while knowing you might not even ever get paid a cent for it, it's best to pick another career path.

[@sur_un_nuage]

sakura was good as a center but your point stands about how annoying it was to make her out to be a much better better center than wonyoung and that was honestly just jealousy. you're SO RIGHT about how companies should stop debuting new groups if they're not able to sustain them like some of these companies will debut their groups with a 10$ budget and pray for a miracle like that's just not gonna happen you need to put effort you don't have to have a crazy budget and produce the most expensive MVs but you need to at least have a decent budget and and play your cards right and use your resources carefully and make sure the quality is decent, it's so sad to see some of the most talented idols' potential be wasted because these companies will just hope for instant success without putting much effort it's honestly puzzling.

[@Alejandra-lf7rc]

ARMYs don’t say no one can struggle, but kpopies never acknowledge the hate they went through from the start. BTS started with nothing, and now every group has the opportunity to get nominated in the western shows thanks to BTS. That’s why we all say BTS paved the way.

[@kaylabunnie5283]

It's been fun watching army's doing to others now what they complained about being done to BTS in the past, lol the hypocrisy. The whole "paved the way" spiel is to give army a way to latch onto whatever kpop group gets that Grammy before BTS.

[@mymelodramaticantics]

Kpop fans are definitely aware and acknowledge the struggles that BTS went through. You armys literally never shut up about it lol. Most kpop groups also started branching out into the Western market at the same time as BTS, just because they got more exposure doesn't mean no one would've been able to do it without their influence. Please don't bring in the Grammy thing here. Those racist scammys only used them for clout

[@DunaTheLuna]

No offense but everyone knows. Armys *always* bring it up, every kpop stan knows. Idk why people always bring up "paved the way," every group paved the way some how. It's just a stupid argument, and honestly, who cares?

[@Alejandra-lf7rc]

@@mymelodramaticantics the never acknowledge it.

[@zhisu2665]

Literally NOTHING they went through was unique to them

[@Thethirdeyewitch_3]

I stand beside you with these opinions

[@Riizeis7burnsm]

The way u feel with xiaoting fans i feel with hiyyah fans

[@DeBossArmy]

You're right about xiaoting.

[@antiluce]

Can someone please tell me where that sakura photo in the thumbnail is from

[@mochiiiii7453]

opinion 3: this might seem mean or rude but nugu groups right now are nugu for a reason. 1. lack of content 2. bad music 3. bad performances 4. uninteresting members/group. and I'm tired of other people trying to shove a nugu group in my face.

[@n1ghtflight]

i mean not really, there are (or were) plenty of nugu groups who make good music, have talented and interesting members and put out a good amount of content and are still unpopular (2 examples i can think of are gugudan and gwsn)

[@923CREEP]

If a group does make more in the company and there are other groups in it, its not really fair to have one group doing all of this and that and have more comebacks, theres other groups too and they have fans also. How hard is it to give everyone else the same chances, cause at that point if your focusing all of your money onto one group, you might aswell not even have made those other groups.

[@ivimolzz]

Opinion 4 is so true

[@Ashaniee]

You using zb1 as an example to validate your argument on your second opinion, just makes your entire argument fall flat imo. There is a blatantly clear a difference in the amount of effort that Wakeone put into Kep1er’s debut, and the effort that they put in zb1’s debut. Your argument about how companies are simply just choosing to promote the group that is more “marketable” also falls flat, because there’s no way a company can expect a group to peak the public’s interest or become marketable if the company puts in little to no effort in said group. That’s not how it works. Now, if it was a situation where the company put in a lot of effort into a group in the beginning, and that group just ended up not being profitable then sure, your argument would somewhat makes sense, but that isn’t the case with a Kep1er and Zb1. While girls, planet wasn’t as popular as boys planet, the interest and potential of Kep1er was there, Wakeone just squandered it.

[@beomiebear304]

Bruh i saw it at 6 seconds-

[@misoshuyu_kpop]

I made an opinions video yesterday and i also mentioned how sakura wasnt really center material and wonyoung was more charismatic😊

[@limwenredleaf]

1. agree, agree, agree 2. ofc! 3. YES 4. yes.... 5. i don't know 6. yes....

[@kira860]

Omg the armies is so trueee.

[@emptyteardrops]

who is the group at 2:20

[@soft4taeng]

It's IRRIS and the song is called Wanna Know

[@diveintoseoo]

2:17 i agree, this is what starship is doing to ive. they give cravity more attention eventough ive are their moneymakers

[@kpopnimation]

I don’t agree with number six. If a rule is unfair and strips you of a right every adult should have, what’s so wrong with breaking it?

[@Reileyy]

Ok but can I know what is nugu group?

[@soft4taeng]

It’s a term used to describe very underrated groups

[@Reileyy]

@@soft4taeng thx

[@slaypa]

​@@Reileyynugu means who? in korea, it's kinda a slang term to referred underrated group

[@turqoisesea4]

I disagree with 5:20 Ihaven'tseen any xiaoting stans saying it its mostly bahiyyih stans saying it

[@milliondolargirl]

It is not about who is the better centre but who came first was supposed to be the center, according to rules. You like it because your favourite was the center. But can you imagine spending time voting and turns out this whole time this thing was rigged?

[@soft4taeng]

Too bad that there's not a single proof the center spot was rigged, it's just speculations after speculations and there isn't a single evidence because the actual rankings have never been revealed...

[@kadi_gnigue]

Well you gotta understand army aren't the one inserting themselves into this convo rather kpop stan do. For example with 5050 literally the ceo said they wanted to be the next "bts" and blablabla like it's so easy ofc it'll piss us. Through cupid era you'll never see a day without a hit tweet dhading 875 through this group don't vlame army when the big bullies are the kpop stan

[@lalizexe_]

The armys one is so true tbh.And its also the fact that they hate on other idols or try to cancel them while they dont even pay attention to the things BTS did.I feel like not just armys,but most of the kpop fandom is forgetting that every BTS member,but Jungkook,said the n word.Like sure my favs did some stuff too but at least i dont defend them??Armys are one of the most problematic fandoms and its fr rare to see a nice army

[@bampyanarayanarai7274]

Arguably not the most problamatic fandom but the most irritating fandom

[@xuoqq7930]

Izone wasn’t as iconic as y’all claim they are/were 💀 I liked some of their songs, but if they were still a group, they would’ve flopped. A lot of them sounded a like, it was so much better that they disbanded and went into different paths. I agree with you on the Cube and Hyu&Dawn, thing. People put too much blame on companies 🤦‍♀️

[@beomiebear304]

3:55 frfr they be annoying

[@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan]

I have been watching your videos fora while now and although sometimes I agree with you you seem to be so centered around IVE and Wonyoung so yeah it's so biased clearly

[@TooSpicyForYourHeart_]

I feel like Sakura could’ve improved just as much as Wonyoung did if she was center but y’know what things happen for a reason, I don’t think Wonyoung would’ve had half the charisma she has now if she wasn’t center and Sakura is still well off center or not

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Wonyoung did shine in pd48 and didn't get center all time..wonyoung have it factor no sakura

[@dhglowlightblue]

But Wonyoung had charisma even during PD48… the mentors all praised her for being the perfect center. Meanwhile, Sakura got chastised for singing off-beat, off-key, and missing all the dance steps while she was center for one of the songs… 😅 I don’t dislike Sakura, but if I’m going to be honest, she was largely popular due to already having an established fan base, and the show also kept pushing the narrative that she was the only Japanese trainee with “star power”

[@hipployta]

But Wonyoung was Center ready from the first stage of Very Very Very

[@dhglowlightblue]

@@hipployta Exactly. Like it’s just not fair when people drag Wonyoung all the time for being pushed by Mnet when Sakura obviously had so much editing done in her favor too. 😕

[@hipployta]

@@dhglowlightblue I don't know want to talk about the amount of editing and push Sakura got but the A rank situation among the J trainees is an explanation by itself

[@multistanhuhue1601]

1.Neither deserved the center but at least Sakura got it fairly Produce was rigged af everyone knew 2.bruh true now tell this shit to YG Blackpink deserves better 4.Army acting overdramatic bts debuted in 2013 and were already quite successfull in 2015 and in 2016 they were really popular compared to Brave girls who only got famous years after debut

[@bampyanarayanarai7274]

Tired of yall not knowing it but still saying shit cause its abt armys afterall

[@Hope-du4gw]

We never know if she was really first because apparently the court only revealed that 2 members were rigged out but never did they mention the actual 1st position. Now, talk about it, Sakura was also favored, talk about the screentime she got. Her evaluation performance deserved a C but got an A. Gaeun did a much performance but Sakura got the centre. Now, compare her to Nako, fellow member of iz*one. Both the Nako evaluation performance weren't broadcasted. Nako came out of the blue during the 3rd ep when she was slaying the highnote

[@ly_smileylass1427]

For Opinion No. 2, I Couldn't Forgive MLD Entertainment for 2️⃣ Different Actions Related to Both Momoland and a 🇰🇷-Based, All-Filipino and Trilingual Global 👦-Band named Hori7on (Pronounced as "Horizon"). On 1️⃣ Hand, the Management Company was Conceiving the Younger, All-Filipino 👦-Band When It was Abandoning the Older K-Pop 👧 Group to the Path of Disbandment at the Same ⏰. On the Other Hand, MLD Entertainment Made Hori7on's Pre-Debut Activities & Debut Promotions Within the Present Era Even More Glamourous Within the Past. For Opinion No. 3, the Best-Known Example of a Much-Lesser Known K-Pop Group for Me is Beauty Box. Not Only It has Been Unsucessful and Mostly Unknown Throughout its Active Era, But It Also Went Through Group Member Line-Up Changes. (With Both Respective Members of 🇹🇭🇻🇳 Left the K-Pop 👧 Group Itself for Different Reasons and Being Replaced by a New 🇰🇷 Member and an 🇮🇩 Member.) As for Opinion No. 4, Hardcore K-Pop Fans Around the 🌐 Should Spend Most of their Own Free ⏰ Taking Interest in Other Asian Pop 🎵🎶 Genres. The Respective, Rags-to-Riches Stories from Both the Late Mdm. Anita Mui & the Late Miss Coco Lee are Not Jokes to Them.

[@mediverge]

its kinda funny how kpop stans went from dogpiling on bts and jumping on them and now it's minimizing their story and saying "but everyone has it hard!!" no shit! we're well aware, why do y'all lump in and pretend armys are a monolith. you cant talk about the minimization of people's struggles while also doing it with bts'. whenever someone brings it up now, you'll have some kpop stan up ur ass complaining abt how TX@($*()EF was from a small company and disbanded and had it harder. like im sorry, i truly am, but ofc armys are gonna talk abt THEIR fav group and their story. they SHOULD however be more open minded.

[@aerii_11]

mostly i agree!

[@Purple_Poppy]

Y'all are so pressed about everything armies do when kpoppies try their best to downplay every single BTS achievement. That is the only thing kpoppies are united in doing And as for ur " inserting BTS into everything" opinion every kpop fandom does it A creator made a post of TXT and Stays went all "have u heard of straykids" "Straykids are better" A Once made a post of Twice and Blinks went all "Blackpink ended" An army made a post of BTS captioned "My funniest boy group" and carats went all "Pov: u havent met seventeen" throughout her comment section (these are only the few i can remember) But everyone ignores that and focus on Armies Armies cant even praise BTS vocals (not comparing) without Exols camping in the comment section with "strain kings" or "Exo does it better" and suddenly we are the problem....lol

[@samdasprinkle6931]

FR, I get it as an Army that a large portion of it is toxic but it's because the fandom is huge (some people estimated it to be more than 40 mil but its just a theory), like what do you expect. Every fandom has toxic fans, even in the west. I have not seen a single Kpop fandom without some toxic fans but its always Armies and Blinks people like to shit on. even I sometimes am ashamed to admit I'm Army cause of all the assumptions that are made.

[@Purple_Poppy]

@@samdasprinkle6931 Exactly They also deliberately turn a blind eye when other fandoms do same but as soon as its armies they are ready to throw hands

[@pao94]

Frankly, dear, no one cares if you are tired of something, BTS managed to turn a ruined company into an empire, that is the truth and that cannot be achieved by sitting all day in front of the television, if the group or its fandom bothers you, I suggest you that you pass by no matter how many want, they will continue as a group until they decide and that is a reality that you cannot change

[@chaerixfairy]

okay maybe you chewed a little bit 🙄🙄

[@isha.sarraf]

As an army i am not interested in other groups nor i get into conversation regarding other groups