Trans Guy: Using The Women's Changing Rooms

[@Jammidodger]

Hello! Hope you liked the video, and don't mind the slight rant haha. Let me know what you think! p.s. sorry about the glitchy bits, I think there was an issue with the export :(

[@elliott8758]

It might be a(nother) KZbin issue, in one video there was a glitch where the title graphic would be back on for a couple frames every 74 seconds, yours is a bit weirder, the intervals, if I'm not mistaken, seem to be 15s, 14s, 15s, 15s and then there should be another one at either 1:14 or 1:13 to match this pattern but there doesn't seem to be one? Idk, I've generally seen comments about/ the glitches themselves in some videos, it's a weird thing

[@codywolfwestern6154]

Jamie this debate has been going on longer than however long you've waiting to post this video. Way before you even got this idea. What I'm wondering is how many ppl think trans ppl who get all surgeries to be themselves physically should they still be unable to go into their preferred bathroom? XD

[@larcmudd9561]

I think “hello spuds” is a cute intro

[@hellanistpunk3282]

This is why I Cancelled my David Lloyd membership

[@laurdrawz3693]

I think it’s more about genitals etc rather than gender but it just seems weird for a trans guy pre ops to go into the men’s and get changed into sports bra (cuz binders unsafe) in a men’s changing room, unless they’re private cubicles. I just think sometimes customers may complain etc , that kind of thing. This also brings up safe guarding issues, since some people trans women are just pervs and other misconceptions etc etc .

[@Kleineganz]

I've made the same argument when it comes to the bathroom issue. These bills always seem to focus on keeping transgender women out of the women's room, they completely forget that they would then be forcing very masculine looking transgender men to go to the women's room. I don't see how that makes any sense!

[@jfs983]

Plus it involves the naive assumption that trans people can automatically be clocked on sight, that cis people just somehow KNOW if a person is trans... lol.

[@LonelyPanda18420]

Whenever I see folk saying trans women should use mens toilets/changing rooms etc because "they are men" I always reply that I guess they want trans guys ~insert picture of buck angel here~ using the womens facilities. Most of the time that shuts them up, but one time someone replied to that saying that trans men should definitely use womens restrooms as they are just "damaged women who have fallen victim to toxic masculinity" (this was a woman who has known me my whole life, and has "plenty of trans friends") Edit: sorry if this seemed like a somewhat pointless comment, I've just got a lot of feelings lol)

[@Kleineganz]

@@LonelyPanda18420 I do something similar, although I don't always default to Buck Angel when I show these people photos of transguys. I don't pass yet, but eventually I'll be able to hold myself up as an example as well.

[@HauntedHeroine138]

And would it then create the issue of cis people using the wrong loo, potentially dubious reasons? Just it's just sjfkdlsbkfnskfjdnd There's SO much work to do to educate the masses.

[@koutashinji]

Not to mention it's just as problematic and dangerous for a woman to be forced to use the men's room, if not more so. No matter what angle you come at this from, it's absurdity.

[@michaelthomey8379]

The solution is : One changing room for men, one for women, and one for transgenders. No straights will objections. And no I am not transphobic.

[@PhilipMarcYT]

"Phobic" implies people have irrational fears, do people have an irrational fear of this or that? No, not really. Being afraid of spiders is mostly an irrational fear, so that's one example where the word phobic is suitable to use.

[@jackowen7062]

I don't understand this whole debate. If you pass noone is going to even notice you in a changing room or public bathroom. So it wouldn't be a problem. How would the gym even know if someone is trans?

[@druwin3138]

IKR? Also what exactly do they think we do in changing rooms? All wander around buck naked and stare at each other's bits to make sure they are exactly like our bits? Whatever the logic behind it it is nonsense. If it's to do with our physical bodies then it's ridiculous because they're just saying "You can see it unless you were born with it!" And also that logic is flawed post surgery.... If it's a misguided sexual/pervert thing then why are they targeting specifically trans people? I mean lesbians should have to change with the men and gay men should have to change with the women and bisexuals and others beyond the binary will have to change in a dark room with no mirrors and blindfolded JUST IN CASE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW! Or...just let people pop their gym shorts on in peace wherever they are most comfortable and just get on with our lives yeah?

[@jfs983]

Cis people (the type who believe this bunk, at least) have this weird notion that trans people are all cartoonish caricatures of burly men in full drag get-ups, and trans men are all just butch-looking women. They're totally convinced that they'll just KNOW someone is trans at first glance. Which... in my experience... naaah.

[@playababy1997]

I wish i didnt look like a butch woman lol but atm i still do hair on the side recieding and all lol

[@benjibluebird]

Gyms require you to bring a valid ID when signing for their membership, so they'd see your birth gender marker 😓

[@playababy1997]

NOT if you get that changed tho. All i have to do is bring a letter to the dmv and i can change mine

[@gales6064]

Walking into the disabled bathroom at school because I'm not allowed to exist as a human Thanks bathroom laws

[@vanessabarnes8006]

Ki Ki hugs ❤️ it’s not fair 😔

[@yourlocaltransboy7051]

Ki Ki Same :/

[@liplickingnuggers4092]

You're not alone

[@lloyddragon2036]

IFKR

[@wassupitsyaboi3680]

I use the men's room but only after school yikes

[@druwin3138]

So I would suggest that we all start going to David Lloyd and we all use the wrong changing rooms. So Cis and trans women use men's changing room and cis and trans men use women's changing rooms and just see what happens, but I happen to know David Lloyd and memberships are EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. Basically Jamie....please go into this gym and try to use the girls changing room and document what happens...can guarantee there will be drama and the gym will end up looking ridiculous.

[@allielynn4511]

Bet they would change their policies then!

[@lloyddragon2036]

LMAOOO YESS

[@reubenbryant]

I’m not even on T and would make women uncomfortable if I changed with them because of a policy.

[@adriangroenewald3825]

As someone who often goes to a David Lloyd gym , yes! Let’s do this!

[@janicemclean7729]

There's no such thing as cis women. It's just women. Men and women, that's it.

[@lniemi9792]

I swim 2-3 times a week and used to just use the same old locker room, chest hair and all until the person at the front desk started selling me men’s tickets once I was about a year along with T. Since then I’ve been using the family/handicapped lockers with individual changing areas and showers, even though I get some stinky looks sometimes. Safer for me 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@moistcrocs3498]

There’s a comic where this store owner gets a legal thing and stops a trans women from going in the girls bathroom. In the back there’s two guys who look completely cis and as the store owner says “Now all people *like you* have to use there birth bathroom. Hehehheh.” The two guys go in the women’s restroom and the store owner starts freaking out and the lady’s in the bathroom start freaking out because *well* there’s to guys in to women’s restroom. It’s just funny to me, cause you can always pick out people who just wanna be in there to spy on people... *WE’RE JUST TRYING TO PEE!*

[@nerd9639]

FluffyCloud lol I saw that one

[@user-anonymous95]

Oh. So my privacy is not your concern?

[@ethanjackson6975]

My teacher at school asked me why I kept using disabled toilets when I was early in my transition and wasn’t open about it and I came up with a whole story how I was born with a weird ankle so apparently I can’t use normal bathrooms just so i didn’t have to tell them 😕

[@Ren95]

*offers internet hugs* The shit we end up doing :/

[@ethanjackson6975]

Rookbrains *hugs back*

[@boneappletea5890]

We don’t have a disabled bathroom at my school

[@DrKristinaRizzotto]

Yeah, I avoid changing rooms altogether as much as possible... But as a pianist I appreciate very much your use of BWV 846 as background music. :)

[@jaspercroot4919]

I was a member at David Lloyd but left last year because of the whole changing room situation ! I wish they had a mixed private cubical style changing room like a public pool as it would make everything easier for everyone trans or cis as no one likes changing in front of strangers anyway ! its a quite a high end place ( lots of snobby people) but the facilities were amazing and I miss going so much. but after hearing that I wouldn't want to be a member again.

[@yourlocaltransboy7051]

I came out as FTM trans in November last year and even now I’m forced to use the girls changing rooms (I pass well with my short haircut and the way I dress normally). I’m not asking to use the boys because I understand that it’s hard for loads of transphobic 15 year olds to see someone they’ve known as a ‘girl’ since year 7 however when I asked to be allowed to change in the disabled toilets I got told ‘no, you have to change with the other girls’. That stuff hurts to be honestly because why does it effect the school if I change in private? It doesn’t. It’s ridiculous.

[@lloyddragon2036]

Wow that is really dumb you have the right to change in private if you want thats disgusting

[@irenekay7934]

It doesn't affect the school in any way. They just want to make everyone's life harder and don't care about aaaanything

[@booitslucille]

Some schools are so ignorant and they need to open they're eyes and realise what they're are doing

[@yourlocaltransboy7051]

ブラクロイデ exactly!!!! And (not being racist but it’s true) they let the strict Muslim girls change in the toilets so why can’t they let me???

[@yourlocaltransboy7051]

ειρηνη Τζοβι EXACTLY!!!!!!

[@bjr8509]

Girl from my school while changing for p.e.: I wouldn’t wanna dress in the same room as a trans woman. They were born as male! The boys next to her because we only have one locker room: 👀

[@vanessabarnes8006]

I’m not transgender but I have a good transgender girl friend and this topic makes me so angry! Us gals like to hang out together and chat but my friend was always too scared to come into the ladies room with me and I was always worried about her going into the men’s room but she thought since she hadn’t started her hormones that she didn’t belong in there with me! I told her I’d rather her go in the ladies room and if someone says something to her I would set them straight that she is a woman and has every right to be there. I know I’m rambling but my point is this is such a frustrating topic! To go as far as asking for proof is a huge violation of privacy! I’m I’m Canada so I don’t know if such certificate exists here put the idea seems absurd to me! I hope the public shames them for such a stupid policy!

[@booitslucille]

You put I'm twice hun, anyway point well made I can relate with me and some of my friends

[@vanessabarnes8006]

Da Werd Nugget yeah one of the I’m* is supposed be in but autocorrect is not my friend 🤣

[@ArielVHarloff]

Ugh I know your frustration my girlfriend is pre transition and I'm always so worried about her having to be in men's changing rooms and stuff. Also it's so bad for her cause if she doesn't want people verbally or physically attacking her she can't express herself with makeup and stuff they way she wants to... People suck

[@rensha8635]

Men belong in male spaces. That’s it. That’s called respect but it’s no surprise these men expect and demand access to female spaces. That’s male who and assertiveness right there. The opposite in females is allowing these men to walk all over them and feeling so sorry for them - female socialisation.

[@janicemclean7729]

@@ArielVHarloff So you're girlfriend is a biological male and you're worried about him being in men's changing room?!?!?!? How about real biological women who are worried about him being in their changing room! The double standards are absolutely disgusting.

[@markgillette7726]

What makes your rights greater than normal people. If you have male genitalia, use a private room or male room. Most females feel very uncomfortable with a male in the locker room. Why are your rights greater than others?

[@PottersVideos2]

He actually has female genitalia, as he was born female. Therefore he is a female person. ;)

[@eustacia03]

These policies are made by people who believe they can tell instantly who is and is not trans.

[@gene7836]

I am disabled and have to swim for my physical therapy. I'm nb, mostly pass as female but am transitioning so that will hopefully change, and I have female caregivers who come into the locker room with me. At the community pool you enter through the locker room and there are no other areas to get out of a wet suit & into dry clothes in winter anyway. I feel dysphoric in ladies, unsafe in men's, unwelcome in both. I have some scruffy facial hair already. Any suggestions?

[@PottersVideos2]

Ask if you can use the disabled one if present?

[@some-one-else]

I'd love to take the kind of people who make policies like this to a unisex bathroom and watch their heads explode.

[@drummerstarboy]

I mean this in a complimentary way - that was the politest rant I've ever seen! So don't worry about it not being your usual style of video, because it needed to be said. I thought exactly the same thing when I read the news story, and was tempted to join, just to challenge their policy!

[@Th3Ignor3d]

So when people come in to changing rooms they are going to ask everyone even cis women?

[@athena_the_goddesss6238]

Only the ones who "look" trans. Which is ridiculous and unenforceable.

[@Th3Ignor3d]

@@athena_the_goddesss6238 honestly I see masculine looking cis women all the time. Usually are the ones who have problems with trans people lol

[@sleepyselkiesiren]

It would be really awkward if they ask a butch-looking woman or girlish man for ID but then turns out the person ain't even trans. Seriously, how did they think this would work?

[@camillecali2]

Actually in the South this biological woman was dragged out of a women's bathroom mid poop with her pants around her ankles by the police. Clearly a women. This is what this trans confusion is doing. No one knows who is who. Maybe we need badges to id everyone now. It's crazy. A baby died in a hospital because the pregnant person came to the ER with stomach pains but failed to mention they were not a biological male. So the doctors were treating for stomach ulcers. It wasn't until they did an ultrasound and saw that the man was pregnant and the baby was in distress. It was too late the baby died. So something needs to change.

[@turtleking7772]

Side note whenever Jamie cruses I just feel like I’ve caught my dad cursing

[@cquinn4555]

This didn't age well

[@JewishKeto]

So… YOUR comfort is more important than the women and girls who are being exposed to a penis in a place they are not expecting to see one? Really?

[@nikdo100]

When I first started watching u I was confused, I wasn't sure what was going on but I wanted to learn because I had trans friends now I don't know any more than they are people too

[@violetquartz8817]

I started watching him because there were trans kids at my school and I wanted to understand them :)

[@decayingmatter5861]

I was once changing in the mens changing rooms of H&M, I'd just gone straight in cause there was no-one working the entrance , and a staff member shouted thought the curtain as I was changing "ma'am" and I didn't answer cause I am not a ma'am and she kept shouting it and I was like yeah and she was like your in the wrong changing room and it was defiantly one of the most humiliating moments in my life... I was very early on in realising I was trans and just starting to try and "pass" and this made me realise how shit being trans was gonna be

[@rory956]

i worked at h&m and i can assure you there's no such thing as 'the wrong changing room' and they actually have a policy saying they're 'accepting' so you could actually complain to their head office about this and have the worker who said this to you fired. i had bad experiences working at h&m (then withholding money i'd earned from me upon me leaving) and am not even surprised that this scummy stuff would happen, even when its in their policy that they're not allowed to discriminate.

[@decayingmatter5861]

@@rory956 Thanks, that's really good to know! Its so frustrating when the policies sound great on paper but aren't actually upheld

[@e.s.lavall9219]

That's rubbish, definitely complain. I've been fine using either changing room in H&M (I'm nonbinary and get clothes from both men's and women's sections) so this employee is a bad apple going against policy.

[@janysg4780]

if you would have had a comfused look and says 'Are you implying I look like a women' this bitch would have loose it.... But I can imagine how hard it was on you at the time...

[@thewitheredsouls]

So stupid, H&M, and any clothing store for this sake, have single person changing rooms. It shouldn't matter in the first place as no matter if the person is male or female there aren't going to be people inside the changing room together with the person anyways

[@italiansummer]

I like your new recording quality! 😊

[@ryanlittlewood3915]

This has given me a plan. I'm 4 years on T, don't have a GRC yet due to money issues and there are 4 of these gyms near me. I'm gonna go and see how this pans out...

[@niamhiebeanie8661]

Any updates?

[@s.e.e455]

Imagine if a rape victim goes into a biological women's restroom, expecting to be in a women's only space, and see a full nude trans person who hasn't transitioned. Think of how she feels, seeing male appendages, the same organs who hurt her. Can't you see that it a major trigger? Some rape victims experience seizures when they are reminded of these things. Are you going to tell her to "suck it up and deal with it?" This is is a tough situation, but if we are going to solve these problems, it needs to start with empathy and open discussion of ideas. All voices need to be heard! That's why I am a huge advocate for unisex restrooms, lockers, etc. There are probably plenty of men and women who wouldn't mind changing with trans people in the same rooms, and it would be better in this country anyway, since we are so diverse in culture, beliefs, ideas, philosophies, etc. Even just separate closed stalls would be better. We need to respect all people and groups.

[@2d3c]

Yes this fully agree

[@sausagedbroccoli9511]

im late, but my mum introduced me as her son tiday

[@jacobmarley9539]

I'm so happy for you. I long for that day. Although to be fair to my mom, I've only been out to her for a month or so.

[@ArielVHarloff]

Really happy for you

[@dianaraymond9]

Imagine men having access to women’s changing rooms and prisons - poor women - what’s the world come too.. the lack of empathy is stunningly frustrating!

[@smokexsmoke99]

There's nothing wrong with supporting transgender rights. Transgender women are women. Nearly all cis women support transgender rights and have no problem with transgender women being in female spaces like changing rooms, shelters, and sports. Also, nearly all cis women support gender neutral language. Transgender women are not going to cause any problems for cis women.

[@saneperson59]

I have 2 very young girls. When they go to swimming lessons they have to change with a trans women that still has male genitalia. There is no longer a space where my girls, and us as parents, feel comfortable for them to change. So by being inclusive, removes the space for the hundreds of women that frequent there, just to accommodate 1 person. Do you not see a problem here? I believe trans people need a space to feel comfortable, but by making everyone else uncomfortable is not the answer.

[@lollollolskeet]

Boohoo. If your kids are looking at someone in a changing room with curtains/dividers then your kids are the problem. I hate to break it to you but I go into those spaces and so do thousands of other trans women and we don't perve on you but you perve on us. How else would you know they have those parts unless your kids were being inappropriate and looking around dividers/curtains at people changing and then telling you?

[@lollollolskeet]

Or is your story made up? It sounds fake unless you are just a bad parent who has kids that can't understand boundaries like not looking around dividers/curtains at people putting on or taking off their swimsuit. Which one is it, bad parenting or a fake story?

[@saneperson59]

@@lollollolskeet wow aren't you an entitled little brat. Again,. Your parents failed you.

[@saneperson59]

@@lollollolskeet and there are no dividers. Just a long bench and lockers with dangling lady nuts.

[@saneperson59]

@@lollollolskeet my kids are not the problem... You are.

[@Tonyreviews2022]

Jamie I couldn’t agree more!!! It’s just another thing we have to fight for the right to use the correct changing rooms! Way to make us feel invalid 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@matthewpancini7300]

I pass 100% of the time. I’m a literal straight dude. It’s creepier for me to go into the girls room.

[@melissam7]

I hadn't even heard about this! How this can happen in the UK in 2019 is beyond me... As you said, when you pull it apart and question how they'd enforce this it's nonsensical 🙄

[@naomismith4933]

Well done for calling out David Lloyd transphobic bs.

[@taleib]

Thanks Jamie! I think it’s important to make these types of videos to bring awareness to these issues. It makes absolutely no sense to make people use a change room opposite to how they identify - that’s just uncomfortable for everyone. This gym chain has just made themselves look stupid and will lose customers. Love your videos Jamie 💗

[@wyrmur727]

I'm at the awkward part of transitioning (pre T, men's hair and clothes, binding) where I USUALLY pass until I start speaking so using changing rooms in general is so awkward for me rn haha it's not fun but I don't shop often anyway

[@samhainlegge9563]

Same

[@nyramurphy1845]

I saw the title and was like WHAT ARE YOU DOING lol I thought you were going to try it.

[@violetquartz8817]

Unfortunately my college is like this 😔. I walked into the women's changing room and saw a guy, thought I went into the men's, felt embarrassed and turned around, but he stopped me and said " no you're in the right one." . I was so sad after that! I'm not trans but I have trans friends away from school and just felt super bad for that guy

[@nikolagacek2348]

I'm a bit iffy about this sort of thing. I have nothing against transgender people but following recent circumstances in my area where a transgender woman assaulted a child in the female bathroom, it does make me a bit sceptical. Of course, a non-transgender woman can also do this but I can see why people are worried. Then again, I don't think children should go to public bathrooms on their own.

[@berglettemom6045]

Well, it seems pretty obvious that transgender people and their allies should boycott that company. Full stop. As for questions, could you talk about how schools (primary and secondary) in the UK handle the issue of bathrooms (washroom, toilet, whatever you want to call it) for transgender students?

[@vickimrc9276]

In some locker rooms you actually shower or prepare to swim. I find it interesting that in your view "cis" women should have no problem with male genitalia in their dressing room. And yet , a trans women with male genitalia is "traumatized" in a male space . How come transgender get to feel uncomfortable and I don't. Get over the narcissistic attitude.

[@julianstephens5361]

xx and xy change rooms. Done. Biological men get out of my daughter's changing room. Now! It's not JUST about you. Shocking hey.

[@keirinboyes4419]

Is it bad that I become transgender everytime theirs no stall in the men's room?

[@catlover2214]

i wanna use the bathroom at school but i can’t because the gender neutral bathrooms at my school are separated for teachers. i’ve never even seen a male teacher leave the gender neutral bathroom that the school has set up for them

[@LoisNapier-p8y]

Women's washrooms and change rooms should be for biological women. There needs to be a third washroom for "other" or "trans". Biological women have had to work long and hard for safety issues away from predatory men, a place where we could safely change or go to the toilets and feel safe. These rights are being taken away from biological women and give to "trans people". How can anyone "damn" biological women for wanting their privacy? This is so messed!!!

[@larelles1]

See that's why I love my gym, they only have single stall unisex bathrooms

[@morganstiefvater2019]

Honestly, the only way to enforce it is to ask EVERYONE who uses the changing rooms to show a birth certificate. Which is also outrageous, because no one brings that to the gym, so they'd end up loosing a lot of cis business, too, even if those cis people are equally uniformed about trans issues.

[@SannaiSan]

I would definitely not walk into a women's bathroom to prove a point, although the point does needs to be proven somehow. Making women feel unsafe in the restroom doesn't make me feel good, and it would inevitably be taken the wrong way. The headlines would read: Trans people invade women's restroom, not: Trans men forced to use incorrect facilities by unfair gym policy. Media at its worst is incendiary, and thrives on division. It sells more papers that way. Proper education and good media representation is probably our best hope of making cis people realize that policies like this are ridiculous.

[@marshy_5406]

Love the new intro!!!!!!!!!! Hope you keep it cuz i like being a spud :3

[@vickibrown8490]

So they're just going to ask anyone if they're trans. That'd go down real well if they weren't.

[@janetaylor6362]

I can see the membership to the gym in question plumit rapidly. I did enjoy this video, I am a straight woman who is amazed at all the problems that transgender people have to face. It's time it was all sorted out and policy put in place to stop this segregation and harassment.

[@cthulhumythos2033]

What worries me as a parent of young teenage girls is the right for any biological male to use female toilets/changing rooms because he identifies as a woman. What is to stop paedophiles, voyeurs, flashers, perverts, rapists to abuse this right and make it easier for them to access female only spaces? It seems to be a knee-jerk reaction and no proper thought has been put into it to see the impact it will have on safety and privacy for women.

[@_spilled_milk_pro-champion3871]

As a trans woman, it would be very dangerous for me to use the male changing rooms. They think it's a good idea to make me topless in a room full of men in various staged of dress?

[@FronteirWolf]

Thing is is it a good idea to have a biological male, who looks biologically male undressed topless in the women's changing rooms? there is a solution here, bit it's not just to ignore biology when it comes to changing rooms And ii it a good idea for a transman pre top surgery to be top less in the men's changing rooms?

[@_spilled_milk_pro-champion3871]

@@FronteirWolf trust me. I don’t look “like a biological male”. And it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to be topless in a room full of dudes getting dressed because I have breasts. Why would it not be a good idea for trans women to use women’s changing rooms? Trans women are no more likely to be predatory than cis women are. As for trans men, I cannot speak for them and how they’d feel in certain situations because I’m not a trans man and their experiences are their own. But I believe that they, like trans women, should be free to use whichever bathroom/changing room they feel most comfortable in.

[@FronteirWolf]

I'm not saying you should use the mens changing room or that you look like a biological male, I guessed that you didn't. A fully physically transititioned transwomen should not use the mens, and a fully physically transitioned transman should not use the women's and further more should be able to use what they identify with. But I don't think that you should just make a blanket policy that you use whatever you feel like. Maybe the the solution is private gender neutral options as well. There is a wide range of diversity in transpeoples bodies.

[@_spilled_milk_pro-champion3871]

@@FronteirWolf I’m very much in favour of gender neutral bathrooms/changing rooms being added alongside the gendered ones as often as possible for that very reason. Maybe you have a trans man who hasn’t quite decided he’s ready to use the men’s room yet for fear of harassment, but isn’t comfortable using the women’s room? Or maybe a trans woman who wouldn’t be safe in the men’s room but doesn’t yet pass enough to use the women’s room without risk of being harassed or wrongly perceived as a predator? Or even a non-binary person who isn’t comfortable and/or safe in either one? Gender neutral changing rooms/bathrooms solve many of these problems.

[@Darkraz]

Create a new room for trans and let them Figure it out

[@heckinborkk]

Jamie videos get me through the week. 💙

[@jacobmarley9539]

I quit going to my gym because they insisted I had to produce paper work proving I was in transition or use the womens toilet/changing room. I was just starting to socially transition and didn't have paperwork and couldn't afford it.

[@goddessathena2979]

Deadass if I saw this man walk into the changing room with me I would FLIP OUT. Absolutely not mate. I would feel so uncomfortable oh my GOD 😂

[@free_h2o142]

I pass most of the time pre T so I'd get kicked out of the men's for not having a GRC, but kicked out of the women's for passing as a guy. Who needs school when you have this logic fellas

[@ysabiau4058]

This recently happened to me because I got a gym membership and for some reason they learned the fact that I was trans. I’m passing, Ftm, they made me use the women’s. Never went back there.

[@Jammidodger]

Holy crap, I'm so sorry that happened!

[@PottersVideos2]

In their defence, isn't that to protect the FTM trans person from being sexually assaulted in the male changing rooms?

[@dandadamo4299]

Hey Jamie! I think it'd be awesome if you made a video like "crash course on transgender stuff." Since it's obvious so many people are so ignorant, I think it'd be great if you made a quick summary for people who wanted to be less ignorant.

[@exclusiveboi1723]

So cis men can essentially go into the womens changing rooms and claim they're a transman lmao

[@lauralaura4362]

exclusive boi i think this youtuber is missing this part of the story, perverts could claim they are trans and creep on women.

[@ImBigDave79]

They'll soon change their mind when there's a backlash/boycott/lawsuit.

[@AJ-ht3kf]

Isn't the best solution to make a gender neutral changing room, aka a changing room that only can be used by a person, as well as the other gender changing rooms (girls/boys)?

[@Jammidodger]

I think having the option of gender neutral changing rooms/toilets should always be available, it helps trans people a lot, particularly those early in transition or people who are non binary.

[@Zaolan123]

My uni has gender neutral facilities in addition to male/female in nearly every building. There's a changing room/shower in the gym that is gender neutral and totally private

[@lauralaura4362]

Zaolan more places should get gender neutral bathrooms next to the male/female so there isnt any controversies like this

[@tylermortan3425]

This literally makes no sense. The idea that you could look at someone like Jamie and know he's trans is ridiculous. Plus, it's 100% hypocritical. They're literally sending men into women's rooms and women into men's rooms.

[@2d3c]

They need a 3 option for changing the problem is more the male to female trans sending your grils in to change should not have to come with the risk of seeing a dick we try and teach are grils that it not ok for grown-up men to show them there dick or to see them dress that they have a right to say no this is not ok but now if they get upset they get told oh no it different you can't say anything because they are female . yet the kids see is male parts with make them uncomfortable

[@jamiebisson2752]

Thanks for the shout-out.

[@minervarojas3739]

Hi Jammie i love your videos. The reality is awful, i agree with you "why are we still having this debates?" But i would want at the same time that in México we had this kind of debates, because here the situation is so much worst 😪 with the explicit violence and poor acceptation

[@elijahslayton2614]

Luckily for me, my gym has unisex changing rooms/showers. Plus, I’m out to most of the staff there and they’re all really cool about it. So A++

[@raidenparren208]

The only time I think it makes sence to ask a trans man to use female changing rooms is if they are pre everything and same goes for trans women. Like I still use the female bathrooms amd female changing rooms when there are no gender neutrals, but I also still look like a woman and am perceived as such by the general public, even though I came out as trans. So if that's the case, alright I get it, but if you're also perceived as your gender then what is the problem?

[@robynrox]

Four years since you posted this, this video needs more eyes. Now.

[@devinnicholas2325]

I hate gyms that do that but planet fitness assumed I was cis because during the gym tour they showed me the men’s locker room and never showed the women’s, plus they have that no critics/judgement free thing, I never told them my gender, Im Happy they guessed correctly (tho their was that thing I saw that these women were suing PF for letting trans women use the women’s locker room, I think PF won)

[@ithaelol]

Omg is spuds here to stay!? I kinda love it!

[@OnlyARide]

6:15 i think it's important to remember that some trans people don't/never will 'pass'. I agree that it's basically unenforceable, but non-passing trans women in particular are always the ones who get the brunt of this type of policing

[@athena_the_goddesss6238]

Exactly. Which produces the effect that transpeople should PASS if they want acceptance, which is ridiculous

[@steampunk4931]

I'm FTM ...I have G cup tits ...until surgery happens ...I'm never going to pass .

[@ArielVHarloff]

@@steampunk4931 I don't have that problem but I'm way past puberty age and I'm super short so I won't grow anymore even on T and unless I'll wear a beard noone will ever take me for a guy. Thing is I don't like beards. Just not my style.

[@steampunk4931]

@AKV Harloff I'm past puberty too , you don't need a beard , theres 'pretty' cis men too , if thats the problem .

[@ArielVHarloff]

@@steampunk4931 It's a combination of being really short, and pre t high voice / no facial hair I guess my main problem is the being short (at least I feel that that's the biggest problem)

[@hannah-roselittle2141]

It’s a very important topic topic to cover. I have no idea why this is even a thing. I think the question that springs to my mind is what purpose does it serve? I can’t think of one good thing this kind of rule does! We have unisex toilets on campus and not once has it been a problem. Lots of love Jamie ❤️

[@jakekayll3214]

I actually used to go to David Llyods in the UK when I was 16, before I started T and it wasn't an issue, mainly because it was all one big unisex changing room or you could use separate M and F one's if you wanted too. I don't know if it was my one in particular or this is a new 'arrangement' but it has no logic. Im currently 8 months on T and if I or even Jamie who has a beard, top surgery and bottom surgery went into the women's changing rooms without a GRC (because idk if he has one) it wouldn't be allowed and police would be called because a man was in a women's changing room. Also what are they going to do? ask every person who looks slightly feminine ie feminine gay men or just anyone who 'looks' trans for a GRC, im 100% sure people don't just walk around with their birth certificate or GRC if they even have one. its a laughing matter that they even think they can enforce it tbh.

[@ryanrooney4822]

Imagine them thinking you'll go out and get a GRC just so you can use their shitty gym that no one's heard of

[@ghxulboy]

i hate that this gym has the same last name as me ugh

[@sherylchristensen7410]

I work at a YMCA in the US, and we have a community locker room which has a bunch of lockers and benches, and 7 separate little rooms, some with shower and/or toilet, some with only a little bench to put your stuff on. There is no nudity allowed for anyone of any gender of any age in the common part of the locker room. It makes it easy for anyone of any gender, or a dad and daughter/ mom and son or disabled person and support person of different genders to be able to get changed as they need to. I think every facility should have this. There are also "women's" and "men's" locker rooms, (which are not monitored for birth certificates and have a couple private changing stalls) but I like the unisex one for the added space and privacy it allows.

[@alexanderoscar2623]

I like your rants. Saves me having to rant :)

[@agadorisabel]

David Lloyd obviously want to look like they have a protocol and have everything covered but they are actually basing their policy on really poorly done research just to seem as though they are prepared for problems. The thing is that they are prepared for people to complain about transgender people but not for the fact that their policy is so transphobic and simplistic in nature. I’m really pleased that you covered this so that the discrimination is publicly recognised. So often this type of policy will cause distress but not be flagged up. Now that it is I know what to do. I will write to David Lloyd after finishing your video. I’m a fan of your videos and an ally of the trans community. I’m fed up with people being treated badly to appease bigots.

[@Puppylove-vd1jb]

In America this happens all the time. I’m so so sorry this is happening in the uk

[@livinitgg-mastyle953]

Hi Jamie, I so agree with you that the whole thing is stupid! what are they going to do put a guard at each door to grab everyone's crotch as they walk in. It is so ridiculous that people can't get past gender and just see people!

[@IdahoDali]

Hi Jamie. I'm noticing you coming into yourself. I've been following you for years and I've noticed you've become more confident lately. It's wonderful to see!

[@ArielVHarloff]

How would that even work? Like when anyone looks at you why would they even question your gender

[@charligordon6245]

Hey guys, I’m just a bit confused and would really appreciate an explanation on this subject. First off, I want to clarify that I am totally supportive of trans rights, just confused of how this would work legally... I agree with what Jammie is saying and it would be ridiculous for someone like him passing as their gender to go into the opposite dressing room, but what would stop predators from abusing a law if it was passed that you can use your preferred room? I know that it is important for transgender people to use the correct bathroom/changing room, but where would draw the line from just having a man walk into a woman’s changing room? I know that this is a very sensitive subject, and I hope I explained this in a respectful way! If anyone knows how they would get around this issue, I would really love to here your reasoning! Love the channel ❤️

[@luke8300]

Not sure if this really answers your question, but laws forcing trans people to use dressing rooms of their assigned sex would just be easier for predators to abuse b/c a cisgender man could claim to be a transgender man who doesn't have a GRC and is being forced to use the women's changing room.

[@xejune]

Predators don't care for rules or laws like who's allowed in which dressing room, they'll walk or hide into a woman's changing room regardless & probably give an excuse of "oh sorry, must've walked into the wrong room" if caught. (Also a lot of the time they're people who abuse their own power, so like a gym owner or a p.e. teacher, and they generally believe themselves to be above the rules anyway.)

[@charligordon6245]

Ok, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for informing me!

[@cmykimberly]

I was nosey and had a look online, it's £140 for a GRC and i'm pretty certain no person will now WANT to stay at that gym and fork out that amount of cash just to "prove" to the gym they should be in whatever changing room. Everything you say makes total sense and the people who are making up these rules at the gyms literally just don't get it. I'd like to think they made an "honest mistake" and thought this policy would keep all their gym users happy, but yeah it really doesn't. It's just another barrier put in place for transpeople. So frustrating.

[@Yetaxa]

the process for getting a GRC is complicated too Besides, it is actually very illegal to ask to see someone's GRC The whole point of getting one is to make them their gender for all legal purposes, with nobody knowing that they were ever legally anything else

[@remibelle3470]

Why do people want men getting naked along with naked women in changing rooms? Oh wait haha nvm Count me in!

[@FronteirWolf]

The problem here is if changing rooms are open, meaning if you are getting changed people can see you changing and you can see other people changing. If someone with male genitalia changing with people with female genitalia isn't a problem there, the that is an argument for open unisex changing rooms. If it is a problem then a transwomen with male genitalia shouldn't be changing in front of cis women aka she shouldn't use the women's changing room and vice versa.

[@iChristyD]

I live in Oxford, Alabama and our little city made news here for something like that. The city council tried to put through an ordinance that could have sent transgender people to jail for using the bathroom that corresponds with their gender identity. Target then made a statement saying they would not enforce that in their stores and trans men or women could use the restrooms for the sex they identified with with no problems. Then asshats here started boycotting Target. I for one made a point of going to Target for everything! I even went just to walk around and look to show support. Thank goodness our mayor never signed it through. Plus a softball league threatened to boycott Oxford if they did as well and our city has built this huge new area of fancy field and stands to have some national championships games here. They would of lost millions if they didn’t overturn it. I loved watching them have to eat crow and lose because they were bigots. www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/us/oxford-transgender-bathroom-repeal/index.html

[@gabeangel8104]

I think the issue is that when a lot of people think of a ‘transgender person’ they have this weird image in their mind of ‘a man in a dress’ (transmen and passing transwomen apparently do not exist in these people’s world) Maybe someone needs to point out to them that they are going to cause far more issues for their own company as well as anyone else if every transgender person actually used the changing rooms/bathrooms of the gender on their birth certificate because they would have a constant stream of people freaking out that perfectly passing men were in the women’s changing room/bathroom...ironically exactly what they THINK they are avoiding with the stupid rule!

[@flapjackfae]

If I thought I'd see you in the men's changing room at a gym, I'd totally join that gym.

[@ellegarret]

So I go to an all girls private school. I can tell you all my peers go to David Lloyd as a gym. From what I gather, it’s mainly middle class suburban humans who use David Lloyd. So tbh I was kinda expecting David Lloyd as the gym in question. It doesn’t surprise me.

[@reubenbryant]

I had actually been thinking about joining David Lloyd gym. Not anymore. Though, from experience, I’ve found that it’s not the places have a problem with trans people, it’s that businesses and individuals totally don’t understand how the GRC works. So I was asked by a sports governing body to produce one, two weeks after I came out and initially said I would need it to be allowed to compete with the men. Some education later they finally understood that not only were they not allowed to ask but my chance of obtaining one was zero. They weren’t against trans people, they were totally clueless about the process. Now, happily competing with the men and still no where near even being eligible for a GRC. And even a huge number of friends asked within the first couple of months if I had legally changed my gender. Again it’s lack of awareness of the process.

[@ameliejaspart5951]

Also why do we need to separate men and women so badly ?

[@booitslucille]

Still prefer informal potatoes but I am proud to be a spud lol love you Jamie great vid some people are just so ignorant and it's so annoying they need to grow up💜

[@janysg4780]

Well... I am a women, not trans, but I know that I look a bit like a man and I would be crazy if one of those bit-head would gives themself the right to determine were I get change or where I pee.... And would totally get upset if some user of the changing/rest room would come at me there as well.... Don't think this should be anyone else right than yourself who determine where you go... to change... And if someone is uncomfortable with changing beside of you there is always those little individual box for them to use.