Who is Tamriel's GREATEST Hero? - Elder Scrolls Discussion

[@mulfmolf7981]

The courier that goes through oblivion just to deliver you a letter.

[@Cognitohazzard]

He could be the courier from New Vegas, that would explain why he get's everywhere. Nothing can stop him.

[@jyggalagdaedricprinceoford6239]

But can he match the ranger with the big iron on his hip

[@brandonvistan7444]

Delivering letters to the Dragonborn almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[@andrewlr1225]

its the same courier from all elder scrolls game... but honestly i think it would be a funny mod if there is a group that just delivers things in weird ass places

[@LordHoward]

Go away Fallout players in this thread lol

[@Sashi_Mee]

The guards cousin, who's out fighting dragons, while he gets guard duty.

[@callumkristofer7793]

Wait a minute.. he's your cousin.

[@whiterunguard4144]

True.

[@markusmitchell8585]

So the Dragon born?

[@whiterunguard4144]

True. Wait i know you.

[@D3vilB4sket]

@@whiterunguard4144 You're making a mistake.

[@0ld_Scratch]

> Dragon appears > Me: Oh shit I'm not ready, health is low > Random Villager: Never should have come here!

[@Manfromthenorth0551]

The people of Skyrim are a fearless and hearty people. A mere dragon attack is but a chance to die with glory and honor so they can go to Sovngarde.

[@USMC_brue]

This joke is painfully mediocre

[@Spacefrisian]

>Pregnant blacksmith woman of Dawnstar takes out her knife (despite having a n inventory that includes a Daedric blade)....Fall to me dragon.

[@lunaticcultist3764]

Courier: "kills the dragon in one hit" I've got a message for you your hands only

[@sheepersjeepers4953]

Pierce Brue your life is painfully mediocre

[@Franchise-jq7tq]

I really enjoy that it’s canon that the Champion of Cyrodilli dedicated himself to the divines, and went on a pilgrimage to become devout enough to serve them. He becomes the most devout follower of the divines. About a month later he decides to be the literal incarnation of insanity, and spends the rest of his days yelling about cheese and trying to achieve self-fish stick.

[@d26k164]

Lol

[@BP-dn9nv]

Well, I don't think Sheogorath gave him much choice with becoming him.

[@lolihitler4198]

I like to assume that the coc originally came the shivering isles for one more check mark off his daedric genocide crusade and ended up being dragged into madness by the incomprehensible insanity of sheogorath’s realm it becomes a sort of ancient greek story about the folly of hubris where the coc thinks of himself as an invincible champion of the nine and because of that is completely blind to the threat the shivering isles poses beyond just demons trying to stab you

[@McNasty7100]

Truly the greatest hero

[@big_slurp4603]

My headcanon is that the Hero of Cyrodill was always a little bit mad, which is why his first instinct when he encountered a gate to the bloodlands was to just jump into it without a second thought. They then became the living embodiment of Pelinal (who was a bit mad himself) just because a mad prophet (voiced by the same guy as Sheo curiously...) told him so and lead a crusade to both "close shut the jaws of oblivion" and defeat Umaril. Because they became so used to going into oblivion gates when they finally saw Sheogoraths gate they didn't think much of it and hopped in despite seeing how the gate made all other people mad, its also worth noting the gate didn't change the hero at all which kinda supports the "he was always a bit mad" theory. The time they spent in the realm slowly influenced them more and more and after they became Sheo it took a few years before they fully transformed into Sheogorath, but I like to think that they still have the power to turn into the Pre-Sheo Hero if needs be, if only for a short time. It just makes sense for them to go mad if you really think about it. They have probably spent more time in realms of Oblivion than anyone else, witnessed the physical incarnation of not one but three Daedra (Dagon, Sheo, Jyggylag) and a divine (Akatosh) and witnessed the horrors of the realms of insanity and the bloodlands over extended periods of time. Feels like almost too much for one mortal to handle. We know the DB is likely corrupted just from their time spent in Moras realm so it only makes sense the same happened to the Hero of Cyrodill. I also love that the Hero undoubtedly proved the divinity of Talos, which shows the flaws in the Thalmors ideology, but also became the complete antithesis of Talos, in that they are a mortal that ascended to godhood but instead of becoming a divine they became a Daedra

[@georgelaflare]

Honestly, the Skyrim Villagers. I’d be running away from a dragon and they come out talking shit to it.

[@IllegalBones]

You are a weak dragonborn. At least I my Conjuration guy I let my summons get up close while I fire a couple of arrows because I'm a wimp-

[@KarmasAB123]

It's not very heroic if you get one-shot.

[@GabJero]

LMFAO

[@bigenson18]

The Skyrim Villagers challenges the Dragons in my game.

[@nmac1563]

I YIELD! *One second later* >:( By ysmir you won't leave here alive! *Punches dragon*

[@huntclanhunt9697]

The hero from Daggerfall is the greatest hero. That man/woman walked thousands of miles and defeated all their opponents without a Y axis.

[@salamathesusatbiyernesulit2161]

Vengeance. I played DF when I was 10 years young. King Lysandus' ghost scared the shit out of me. Love DF.

[@rflxcrusaderproductions4141]

Lmao

[@jakubwarenich4439]

The Agent

[@saimsadit5046]

Then what about Arena ?

[@bruhmoment2306]

@Austin Kirby you didnt get the joke did you?

[@charlesc4511]

Obviously Lydia, she's currently carrying about 80 dragon bones, what a champ!

[@ladyselin35]

I'm sworn to carry your burdens...

[@Brigis14]

Not my lydia. I killed her on accident. I thought oh I'll just console rez and get my stuff back. She came back to life with nothing on her so then I killed her on purpose and left her in a river.

[@SKDXV]

And probably the first child of the dragonborn

[@niallheaton2724]

SKYDIN the dragon born is sterile. All player characters are I think.

[@DoubleBoost23]

That's not confirmed either way.

[@elessartelcontar147]

The Divines discussing the Dragon Crisis must have been like Arkay: Your son returned Akatosh: I know Stendarr: do you have a plan? Mara: this sounds urgent you know Akatosh: of course I have a plan Kyne: it involves a Dragonborn? Akatosh: obviously Julianos: How original Zenithar: well, it always works Dibella: ok, where are they? Akatosh: right there at the chopping block... Talos: W H A T

[@goryanadazaghal1206]

Yeah Alduin is gonna Save him then Regret it later.

[@theliar4558]

It was the gods' will that the executioner had to stop to scratch his balls

[@johnroscoe2406]

@@theliar4558 Dibella: I have 5 seconds to afflict this guy with crabs...

[@trycilz2307]

​@@goryanadazaghal1206 he actually save him because he saw hes dragon soul. And just came by to say hello.

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

​@@johnroscoe2406fun fact in order to contract crabs one in 10 of your sexual partners had to have slept with a homeless person.

[@qcumber6652]

Lokir of Rorikstead because he delayed the execution and safed the dragonbron in the nick of time.

[@moonchild4789]

Maybe he finally got to Hammerfell... r.i.p.

[@nocsiou]

He might have been executed before the dragonborn in wich case it would've taken even longer so maybe not

[@DragonGunzDorian]

TARANCHULA7 I was thinking something similar. if he had gone to the block and had been given his last right it probably would have taken longer than an arrow to the back.

[@nocsiou]

@@DragonGunzDorian indeed

[@massimogiorgini6193]

Plot twist: the archers didn't kill him. He faked his death and he is stealing more horses right now to create an army of horses to defeat the imperials

[@thecowshow5641]

The Guy who wrote the Lusty argonian Maid series of course !

[@asultan7049]

In Morrowind you can meet the guy who wrote the Lusty argonian Maid.

[@XShaneX19]

@@asultan7049 And he even sexually harrasses you if you do the house hlaalu questline

[@fa_ir_ies]

Crasius curio? He asked my morrowind Character if she can strip for him he's a perv i don't know why vivec didn't kicked him out of the City

[@georgehutter339]

Oh you mean crassius curio, i met him he's a perv

[@MrBanditheart]

Good old uncle curio

[@tribesman8424]

4:11 "This hero stepped off the cart in Helgen, transformed their gender, race and appearance, in front of some astonished onlookers." lol

[@joynelbonetdelgado4952]

That shit was hilarious lol. I believe Bethesda joked about this in a DLC of Fallout 4 lol

[@djrbmm]

@@joynelbonetdelgado4952 Which DLC?

[@joynelbonetdelgado4952]

@@djrbmm i believe it's the one with the Synth called Dima on it

[@Avenge-sh2es]

Joynel Bonet Delgado far harbor

[@peanutbuddabud7098]

The emojis ruined everything

[@ClvrBstrd]

At least personally, I think it's impressive that the Dragonborn was able to traverse Apochypha and read multiple black books without going insane. Meanwhile, legendary arch-mages and daedrologist lose it by simply being there.

[@kneeofjustice9619]

The dragonborn also could read multiple elder scrolls without going blind.

[@novabomb4973]

@@kneeofjustice9619 which is why im confused why we needed a moth priest to read them in dawngaurd

[@Virgil-Arcanum]

@@novabomb4973 padding the questline

[@Bread_Bug]

Not to mention he was born both Dragonborn and Listener, that’s a real jackpot in the genetic lottery

[@Virgil-Arcanum]

Think about how many Daedra own their soul, it's like a full on war for it

[@WorkGalaxy47]

Eternal Champion: Looks like I got forgotten. Hero of Daggerfall: You're not the only one. Spin-off protagonists: Welcome to the club.

[@pizzaparker9544]

idk how u can have a discussion of the most powerful protagonists in ES and not bring up Daggerfall and Arena , the first two games

[@ventexovakon2178]

@digifalc0087 There's a village under attack by goblins! Here, I'll mark it on your map!

[@BiomechanicalBrick]

Hordes of ESO Vestiges: *pain*

[@maxteraform]

The Eternal Champion is probably the greatest hero. To go on a ten year long journey to free Tamriel from Jagar Tharn, that deserves respect

[@akbarlakhani6624]

the vestige : ''chronologically , i was the very first protagonist , with the latest entry . But still no mention ''.

[@lionspride4821]

"Transformed their race, gender, and appearance. In front of some astonished onlookers" Lol

[@griffinzink698]

Astonished Onlookers: You’re not on the list, but you’re getting beheaded

[@Halosrighthand]

If you look at it that way I guess it makes sense they want to execute you..

[@gokublack8342]

It was more like "Hey this guys not on the list what do you wanna do we should let him go right?" Captain: Nah Idc kill him with the rest

[@TheSlayerChris]

Answer: The entire population of Blackmarsh for reverse invading Oblivion because they could.

[@shroomcreeper6541]

Agreed

[@spazzmaticus9086]

"You think this is uninhabitable?" Some argonian in the middle of stabbing a Dremora probably.

[@TheSlayerChris]

@j Yes indeed it is.

[@nvincipality6371]

@j Buncha lizards high on Hist juice saw evil portals and collectively thought "No you"

[@manaeth]

Nope, thats non canonical. Its fanfic

[@emotionjournal]

some random person in the elder scrolls universe gets arrested Some ancient proficiency "ah shit here we go again"

[@tristandukes5548]

Plot twist, Tamriel's corrupted elite are using their funds to forge ancient prophesies in order to get out of jail time and executions

[@gangrenekills1281]

do you mean prophecy

[@fwes145]

@@gangrenekills1281 no

[@Rano-ru7cd]

Maybe you could say the Prophecy was written in the "Elder Scroll"

[@luishart5279]

The person who shot an arrow in the knee of every single Skyrim guard

[@luishart5279]

@Whiterun Guard Then you are the true hero: the only guard who didn't get shot in the knee! It's an honor!

[@stukature]

That would be the Withcher's Nilfgaardian Black Archer from Gwent

[@Zen-751]

@Whiterun Guard did you change your name and picture just to reply to this comment?

[@user-ms5tq1dh7i]

@@Zen-751 he probably just make a new account... that's what i would do

[@BigMac-wu2kz]

When someone says took an arrow to the knee it’s actually means they got married back then ig that’s what it meant for a guy to get on one knee and proposes

[@ProphetTruth95]

All 3. Greatest to their people: Neverarine. Greatest to Tameriel: Champion of Cyrodill. Strongest in a 1V1 fight: Dragonborn. *Holy Crap I’ve never had so many likes and the replies went crazy!!!*

[@300subscriberswithoutanyvideos]

Wrong. Strongest in all stats. Can kill gods easily. : nazeem

[@sethbritton6970]

Honestly? I think the Nerevarine takes all three of those. Dagoth Ur's plan went deeper than any of the other villains. If the other villains succeeded, people would just die, or live under tyranny then die. Dagoth Ur intended to imprint and then become the core of Anu's Dream, and was well on his way to accomishing that. Dagoth Ur had a fate worse than death lined up for everyone.

[@windhelmguard5295]

@@sethbritton6970 strongest 1v1 is the nerevarine easily. you see nerevarine can cast levitation spells, which doesn't sound too impressive until you realize that casting a level one levitation effect on an enemy effectively reduces their movement speed by 99% also getting 100 magic resistance is an easy feat for a late game nerevarine, as are potions that restore seven digit numbers of hit points per second with durations of several years. he can also just paralyse you and then slip the moon and star ring on your finger for an easy instant death combo.

[@МаркАнтоний-ш4я]

@@windhelmguard5295 strongest 1v1 is the dragonborn easily. Slow time + 100% magic absorption + potion of restoration + Mehrunes ' razor = nerevarine is dead.

[@windhelmguard5295]

@@МаркАнтоний-ш4я merunes razor won't get through the 100 spell resistance that the nerevarine has and his spell resistance doesn't cap at 80%. he can also do 100 spell absorb or 100 spell reflect also the dragonborns melee attacks won't get through the nerevarines nine digit agility stat anyway and he can also buff his speed stat to be so god damn high that he can run circles around the dragonborn even with slow time active. nerevarine can also make permanent slow fall enchantments so even fus-roh-dah-ing his ass off the throat of the world won't kill him (which makes him the most unkillable of the three as both the dragonborn and the champion of cyrodiil can always die from fall damage if you drop them from high enough.) not to mention the nerevarine can just use levitate and stay out of range forever because neither the dragonborn, nor the champion of cyrodiil can levitate.

[@Zalwalloo]

Can we just take a second to talk about how Alduin pops up to save the Dragonborn and the Dragonborn responds by hunting him down and killing all his family and friends?

[@lollyturnip6774]

I mean, they attack first, plus I don't think Alduin was doing it out of the kindness of his heart

[@ryujin619]

I think Alduin was actually attempting to kill the Dragonborn, but ended up saving him. When he shouted, it looked like he was aiming directly at the Dragonborn.

[@sizenplace4554]

@@lollyturnip6774 he did it so he can kill the dragonborn himself

[@sizenplace4554]

@@lollyturnip6774 I'm just guessing I could be wrong

[@jovanaavramovic2485]

im pretty sure he accidentally saved him lol

[@sparkslegends7482]

The Nerevarine Defeats: Dagoth Ur - Chimer lord and Lord High Councillor to House Dagoth Almalexia - Tribunal Goddess Hircine - Daedric Prince of the Hunt The Hero of Kvatch Defeats: Mehrunes Dagon - Daedric Prince of Destruction (Martin defeated, While HoK Watched) Umaril the Unfeathered - Ayleid Sorcerer-King Jyggalag - Daedric Prince of Order The Last Dragonborn Defeats: Alduin - First-Born of Akatosh Harkon - The leader of the Volkihar Clan and Vampire Lord Miraak - The First Dragonborn

[@ivorpadjen2131]

i cant lie, looking at it like this LDB had the toughest victories

[@draugrim]

Pretty sure the nerevarine is immortal (Corpus disease) but yeah hero of kvatch because he beat the shit enemy scaling that game has

[@Catterall101]

You forgot mannimarco, king of worms for hero of Kvatch.

[@AstralJustus]

Soul Shriven: Molag Bal Nocturnal Vaermina Kaalgrontiid

[@TheTriangle444]

@-- Baptiste -- theres a lot of cases that can be made -- their "godhood" is more of a title because they obtained power but im sure lots of mortals could whip their asses. same goes for the daedric princes who arent in their full power (jyggalag, dagon)

[@saavedra-ut1pi]

But when I fight Alduin the other “hero’s” literally do nothing

[@weeklythrower5897]

Spam Man that is true they just shout a couple times

[@AmadisLFE]

@@weeklythrower5897 for me they literally went inert.

[@ra_alf9467]

Hero of Sovngarde : (do nothing)

[@fred5594]

Bug

[@theguylivinginyourwalls]

@@fred5594 *feature

[@lukec2004]

Heimskrs list: 3.-Hjalti Early-Beard 2.-Tiber Septim 1.-Talos

[@iguinho2k20]

lmao

[@wiseferret4745]

Good one

[@brandonvistan7444]

I agree with this selection.

[@androctonus1366]

We don't talk about Hjalti Early-Beard 'round here.

[@massimogiorgini6193]

I think you forgot to put in the list that guy in whiterun who has a statue with a crazy man always praying him

[@faizalnurajiz5490]

When you think about it, the hero of Kvatch got it bad. They're all chosen by gods, but while the other two had special powers and perks, the gods are just like "oh let's choose this mortal but give him nothing lmao" to the hero of Kvatch. Hoping he gave the gods his revenge after becoming sheogorath.

[@philthedoorhandle8494]

Well Martin was the true “protagonist” in Oblivion, and he, from my knowledge he did have divine powers. I think the Champion of cyrodill/hero of Kvatch was there to become one of the blades, and along with them, bring Cameron to justice and close the jaws of Oblivion. I think the champion of cyrodiil had his on prophecy outside the main quest, and that was to inherit the relics of the nine and become the divine crusader and defeat Umaril.

[@NieOrginalny]

Nerevarine's prophecised power is being able to wear a +5 personality +5 speechcraft ring.

[@KCGamingBuddies]

@@NieOrginalny that thing fucking rocks though, it helped me more than i’d thought

[@athalonARC]

He did get power from the dovones though, he got the power of the divine crusader.

[@keatonkitsune4064]

The Nerevarine may have had prophecy on their side only IF you were the Nerevarine and not just some random person who happened to be somewhat qualified.

[@its_agxny666]

Honestly each elder scrolls game “hero” sitting around a campfire telling their stories to each other would be the most interesting cutscene ever 😂

[@Acdxls]

And then there’s eso, wherein the protagonist literally beats the shit out of molag bal

[@diceyy9798]

The Dragonborn would tell the story of how he bested a chicken in equal combat, then was hunted by everyone despite saving the world on 3 different occasions

[@lucicade42]

Morrow (Morrowind character): and then he asked me to get naked! Robin (Skyrim character) Damn that’s forward Asia (Oblivion character) Wow. What a personality. Morrow: I know right?

[@mordredpendragon1235]

Dragonborn: I kill beings Hero: Of evil right? Dragonborn: (stays quiet) Hero: Right?

[@michaelmamba1578]

I hope they actually do that like a couple games in

[@chunguspizza]

Nazeem is obviously the hero we deserve. Oh what am I saying, of course you don’t.

[@nazeem8086]

Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh, what am I saying.. Of course you don’t.

[@KayakithLebita]

And here we see employee of the month from the glorious chillfurrow farm, along with it's cloud-district overlord

[@chunguspizza]

Hawke _ I read that in Heimskr’s voice

[@Sojiro-bb7zx]

@@nazeem8086 You're not an intellectual! You're a fake and a fraud!

[@ChadKakashi]

He might not be the hero we deserve but he is the hero that we need.

[@Naaman05]

Ok ,but what about that theory of the dragonborn being Shor? He is a shizzarine. There is this quest in Skyrim in which you meet a ghost from the time of Talos, who's birth name is Hjalti, and he calls you this. Also, During the storyline the Greybeards actually say that you're Yismir. There are only 3 people with that title. ~Yismir Wulfarth ~Pelinal Whitestrake ~Tiber Septim And in the hall of valor Shor is no where to be seen... that's because the player is actually shor! You could also sit in Shors throne.

[@sp4zt4zt1c2]

It's *Shezzarine but I like your theory. By the way did you know that there is a theory that claims that M'aiq the liar is a Shezzarine which would allow M'aiq to slip through the cracks of time and space and become immortal?

[@kirkalexbina1721]

That breaks the whole point of starting off as a prisoner because in every tes game you start off as a prisoner preventing the character you play from having any backstory what so ever

[@charlescc58]

@@kirkalexbina1721 who cares lol

[@angelbird538]

It's just a theory and has not been confirmed.. or are we considering everything in the games to be cannon..

[@neuroinsect1944]

Shor/Lorkhan, is gone, his spirit was mantled by Hjalti/Talos (who by the way, was a horrible, horrible person), his heart was sunk into Red Mountain, and body is Nirn. So what you actually mean to say is DB is an avatar of Talos; which is why the throne stands empty.

[@vogonp4287]

I find it funny that Uriel Septim VII literally had a dream about Sheogorath.

[@aperson-rq9hy]

Here's how I'd put it: The Nerevarine saved Morrowind, The Hero of Kvatch saved Tamriel, and the last dragonborn saved the entire kalpa, so the hero of Kvatch was the most powerful in the end but the dragonborn did the most saving, but the Nerevarine could also arguably be called the most impressive because he fought alone more than the others.

[@nonameman525]

The only guy who gets it; they should rename the video "Who was the most powerful hero", not "Who is the greatest Hero". The Dragonborn definitely did the greatest deed by preventing the Kalpa from ending (Only those great spirits that know the Walkabout would have been spared). I agree though that after the shivering Isles the Hero of Kvatch is the most powerful, and the Neravarine did the most by himself.

[@fultheim3580]

No, the Dragonborn was by far the most powerful in the end.

[@aperson-rq9hy]

@@fultheim3580 The Hero of Kvatch fought the daedric prince Jyggalag in direct combat and won, so he's the most powerful at the END of his story.

[@fultheim3580]

@@aperson-rq9hy Last Dragonborn beat Miraak and Alduin (the prior scaling above the former), same Alduin who has consumed all of the Divines and Daedric Princes. Same Alduin who is feared by the Daedric Princes and who only Mehrunes Dagon would dare to attempt to communicate with, same Alduin who Akatosh attempted to stop from eating the Kalpa yet failed. The 3 Nordic Heroes from the Merethic era are stated to be the greatest and most powerful Nordic heroes of all time, scaling above Bhalok individually who was deemed untouchable by the combined ALMSIVI. Same ALMSIVI whom contains a single member (Vivec) who defeated Mehrunes Dagon, same Dagon was then defeated by both Sotha Sil and Almalexia. Yet a weakened Alduin destroyed the Nordic heroes as if they were nothing. End of story, Last Dragonborn is a monster a level beyond that of the Daedric Princes and the Divines.

[@aperson-rq9hy]

@@fultheim3580 Huh I didn't know that, it's weird Bethesda would make a character like Alduin that powerful, kinda makes the Skyrim story line not make that much sense.

[@1035-r1u]

The Champion of Cyrodyl is my favorite one. He/she wasn't blessed by Azura, he/she wasn't born with dragon blood. He/she was just some man or woman who managed to do everything on his/her own good

[@thesepretzelssuckass247]

You can just use the word they

[@1035-r1u]

@@thesepretzelssuckass247 you're a genius person. English isn't my native language so I didnt know how to phrase it better

[@thesepretzelssuckass247]

103589 welp you learn something new everyday 😉

[@lucyaycan9905]

All of them are more or less equal. They couldn't have failed, even the COC, because they were destined to do those things. It doesn't matter that the dovahkiin has a dragon soul or that the nerevarine was destined by azura to get revenge on the tribunal. What makes them heroes is that they are all prisoners.

[@LokFan96]

@@lucyaycan9905 Not really your right that they could all have failed but that mean that how they succeed was more important. The Dragonborn ranks lowest due to being given practically everything need to win from the start. The Neverarine had a harder time but still had prophecy on his side, but he need to prove he was the real deal and not a fake like the other attempted reincarnates . The hero of Kavatch is the best in that he was self made, yeah the emperor had a vision but that is nothing compared to the others hundred of years old prophecy. He could have simply gotten Martin to Cloud ruler and then been killed but he proved his metal and stuck with it till the end with no divine gift or protection or destiny.

[@masonreith2382]

By azura, that statue looks a little different if you know what I’m sayin

[@l0remipsum991]

It's very large. I mean the statue.

[@nocsiou]

I knew it, I knew something was off, I've looked at those enough times to know a difference when I see it

[@vietfrog549]

All looks fine to me ;)

[@dr.amazaier1772]

I was about to post a comment about the same thing.

[@lvl.99_redguard66]

@@dr.amazaier1772 same

[@spookzer16]

This is a question that can't be answered. The Dragonborn literally killed the end of the world. The Hero of Kvatch manage to fend off the Daedra and become a god in the process. I haven't played Morrowind, but I'm pretty sure you kill multiple gods. Edit: For you nerds out there; yes some of this is hyperbole.

[@cryptohello7666]

You kill a god one that has that title for a reason hes omipotent omnishent and i dont fucking remember

[@culichiman9876]

It does not kill any God since this is impossible, but it does kill the false gods

[@pineappletheworst]

White-Van Helsing i don’t think he wanted to know that,since he hasn’t played the game yet,i haven’t either and you kinda spoiled everything i didn’t want to know🙄

[@pineappletheworst]

White-Van Helsing what i was trying to say is not if you fight gods in the game,i was saying that i didn’t want spoiled what gods you fight

[@g1n882]

Dragon Born also becomes Thane of every hold in Skyrim, Listener of Dark Brotherhood, Guild Master of the thief boys, Hajlmarch for the Compaions, Arch Mage of the College, kills a fucking Vampire Lord that has honed his ability for thousands of years, The First Dragonborn that can do everything he can but has had more time to refine his skills, the END OF THE WORLD and has become the favored Champion of literally every possible Daderic Prince, oh don't forget he's a Nightingale, Werewolf, Vampire Lord that is either the Champion of the Stormcloacks or Empire. Who also has the backing of the Blades, Greybeards, and the Dawnguard and can control Dragons with a single shout, and don't forget every "good' dragon literally praises him at the end of the game. He can freeze people in place, set them a blaze, Fus Ro Da Nazeem of a cliff, Slow Time to pretty much a stand still, increase his attack speed by like 100% or whatever that shout does, become invincible for a minute, call a meteor shower, summon a dead Dragon, a Sovengarde hero and is literally SHOR Reincarnated. I rest my case thx for reading this long ass paragraph!

[@bliblivion]

10:12 one of the most gratifying moment i ever experienced in a videogame was telling the prophet in Anvil all my titles and why i was worthy of the quest of the Divine Crusader.

[@dahwriter]

The poor champion of Arena and emperor's agent in Daggerfall get no love.

[@viveka2994]

battlespire man literally defeated Mehrunes by calling him by his childhood name lol

[@RealRetrimark]

@@viveka2994 Jesus what a virgin dagon is, molag bold is giga chad

[@yinzer2231]

remember the champion of Cyrodiil and Dragonborn do meet one another during a quest in Skyrim

[@Drasi]

They do? I must have missed it..

[@teslamid9923]

@@Drasi the sheogorath quest in which you meet the hero of kvatch who became sheogorath

[@reanterhog5701]

@Noah Leopold wait, hes a wood elf? i thought he was imperial or nord.

[@Skyscraper2015]

The Quest The Mind of Madness

[@yinzer2231]

Bryan S he was also purposely made to look bad cause he is a daedra.

[@shoemakerx0105]

Parthernuax, he helped free the races of men from the wyrms and taught the greatbeards, hench forth talos, ysmir and the dragonborn

[@rodangrahf]

paarthurnax was a threat and im glad that i killed him

[@mobzillalongtail]

Grahf You monster

[@MystFox1314]

Grahf

[@camwoods2471]

Grahf you bitch

[@immaguitar3640]

@@rodangrahf Nice bait

[@Calamare]

The Hero of Kvatch is my favorite because he wasn't destined for anything. He was in the right place, at the right time, and did the right thing. He became a hero because he was courageous.

[@BoJangles42]

except the Emperor had seen him in his dreams, meaning he was another "Chosen One" just like the others

[@horsenuggets1018]

@@BoJangles42 but he wasn’t some reincarnation of a legendary being or part of some prophecy

[@BoJangles42]

@@horsenuggets1018 He was still a Chosen One, wasn't some random person who got involved strictly by circumstance.

[@jon6car]

@@BoJangles42 He/She was certainly part of a prophecy but out of the 3. They're the most "normal". If you really think about in the base game you're character is the 2nd most important person in the game. Martin Septim is the true main character for base Oblivion. I wonder if anyone has done a theory or what if video for how Cyrodiil would've faired without the PC? I think Baurus would've gotten as far as his meeting with Raven Camoran. Not sure if anyone else would've been there to help him fight or not.

[@poob1108]

​@@BoJangles42 I like to think it was his circumstance that led him to be on the emperor's path. Both in a physical and literal sense. Therefore maybe that's why he appeared in the Emperor's dreams about his fate.

[@jeffreyhoover2298]

Fudgemuppet seem to have forgotten about Morrowind's DLC. Where not only does the Nerevarine lay waste to the Dark Brotherhood in Morrowind, but he also beats the Daedric Prince Hircine in single combat on Solstheim.

[@alexajob4746]

I compleatly forgot about that bit, plus the defeat of the demi god on that island as well

[@xCrossBite]

Conveniently left off the list. 👀👀👀

[@INFECTION112]

I feel like there's something I'm missing, I was wondering why they didn't include this info 🤔🤔🤔

[@briansanders8122]

Didn't Hircine drastically nerf himself before the battle?

[@gergernzero6904]

@@briansanders8122 some say by 1/3 but it is unknowen if each one had same amount of power. Think he said he would match his power with whatever the Nerevarine was at so it could be more or less.

[@bushebajiti7641]

The lore behind the Elder Scrolls is so rich. All this series needs is solid gameplay mechanics and it would be perfect

[@tyminator8176]

What do you mean? It has those

[@Sorvo_YT]

Tyminator The combat is equivalent to smashing two action figures together I say that with no hate as I love skyrim but good lord combats stale on console you can only hot key two things making you have to pause combat a lot especially if you are a mage

[@cannedgoodness9633]

Yeah, if it had real parry, dodge, roll, decent stealth and more interesting magic mechanics it would be great

[@tyminator8176]

I still like the combat though

[@Sorvo_YT]

CannedGoodness Agreed only class I can play with out feeling bored is an archer but skyrim has goofy hit boxes at times

[@chickenman6308]

“He’s a god. How can you defeat a god?” Am I the only one getting deja vu?

[@andrefilipe9042]

What a grand and intoxicating innocence.

[@Kururu265]

@@andrefilipe9042 shame on you sweet Nerevar

[@julegon2]

@@Kururu265 □I'm a God, I'm God, I'm a God, God □

[@julegon2]

@sarcastic minecrafter you were supposed to keep the song going 🙄😒

[@TheFos88]

All I get is a sick Dagothwave bop stuck in my head.

[@Usagi33353]

You forgot Saint Jiub, he cleared Morrowind of the pests known as Cliff Racers

[@SludgyRhino7883]

Allegedly. Mjoll says that she used to hunt cliff racers with her father when she was a child.

[@VivisSymphony]

@@SludgyRhino7883 Perhaps Mjoll's father was Jiub and Mjoll is actually immortal

[@lasagnasux4934]

​@@SludgyRhino7883 Jiub only killed the ones on Vvardenfell, not on mainland Morrowind

[@rjjacob101]

Hail Saint Jiub the Eradicator! Vanquisher of Cliff Racers! Jiub means kiss in Thai I think lol. Anyways, Mjoll is a liar! A LIAR! Mjoll the Liaress! I have no proof but neither does she, LIAR! :P

[@TheGamingCathedral]

Nah pretty sure that was me.

[@serenity4330]

Of course there's these three, but we all you know you forgot one grand hero. Jarl Ballin.

[@ra_alf9467]

Someday, I'll grow up and become like Jarl Ballin

[@Drheims]

@@ra_alf9467 oh no you don’t

[@theysaidimasian9766]

@@ra_alf9467 oh, another wanderer looking to lick jarl ballin's boots, good job.

[@cycomiles4225]

He is lord of the rings after all.

[@hollowtavo7612]

@@theysaidimasian9766 ITS jarl BALLIN nigga

[@mrhoapro1]

About the “real hero” thing, i think real hero could be anyone. That’s why Nerevarine, Champion of Cyrodill and Dragonborn were all prisoner

[@adieu1389]

I like this

[@nagitokomaeda6784]

Panji Wiratama same.

[@SmileYourAtGunPoint]

Except that cloud district bitch... whom I yeeted off the every mountain in Skyrim...

[@marrymejisoo3413]

A very good point actually

[@marrymejisoo3413]

@@SmileYourAtGunPoint how do you guys do that? Can he be a follower as well? 😂

[@hydrogenone6866]

Executioner: _"Ah I Got An Itch, Hold On For A Second"_ G: *"What's In Oblivion Is That?!?!"*

[@TheSignatureK]

IC: Sentries, what do you see? G: It's in the clouds! FSR: *"Dragon!"*

[@frosttroll3411]

Roar! *meteors fall*

[@ra_alf9467]

(first person camera has stopped working)

[@name-ug5xq]

It's all about Dragonborns and Destined Champions until a teenager starts believing in the power of friendship with his theme song playing in the background appears

[@davidevans7477]

The champ of cyrodil, sheogorath now, he defeated jyggloagg... literally the strongest deadric lord. He was so strong, the other deadra lords had to weaken the god of order, and make him Sheogorath. Champ of Cyrodil defeated that guy, and became a deadric prince, who are stronger than divines due to insert paragraphs

[@Chaoblahippo]

Actually it didnt weaken him . Sheogorath is just not intrested in vhanging the world because the randomness is perfect to him

[@snugglecity3500]

@@Chaoblahippo it did weaken him. He kept turning from gigilag to sheogorath so everytime he started something in one form the other would destroy basically rendering him useless.

[@thebk247]

The Dragonborn is literally a god before mantling

[@Winrarnt]

@@thebk247 TLD is not a god.

[@thebk247]

@@Winrarnt multiple implications in game suggest that he is

[@squidincanimation5519]

Azura, how can she stand steady that long with those two mountains on her chest?

[@marrymejisoo3413]

It's a statue

[@a1phamalestud]

marry me jisoo no shit sherlock

[@viveka2994]

she be thicc tho damn I would bang a daedric prince

[@rokturi]

anybody wanna make a petition to allow to bang daedric prince azura?

[@J_B_M_O_H]

Dibella could get it too lmao

[@noluvhaydon834]

The guy who actually stole the sweet roll

[@siyavushkhosrow]

You're in the wrong game.btw i helped finch farm

[@blstcx8224]

Please don’t ask me

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

another wanderer to lick my general’s boots

[@stukature]

I went to Nordhagen Beach. They said that there is a monster just around the corned but It's on the other end of the Map and I played enough of Fallout to k ow that itvs probably a radroach

[@noluvhaydon834]

Turtle Slayer another settlement needs your help here I’ll mark it on your map

[@Last_ZhuaGenbao]

It is worth noting that although the Dragonborn defeated Alduin with the help of the three heroes, after that he/she learned the dragon shout which can summon the three heroes, which has become part of his ability. This means that if anyone wants to challenge the Dragonborn, he will need to be at least more powerful than Alduin, as the Dragonborn can always summon the same formation he/she had when he/she defeated Alduin.

[@OccultistResearcher]

that is true

[@bill5627]

Its only one of the three heroes i think.

[@isaac.xyzptlk]

can a dragonborn defeat the daedric prince of madness doe ? 🤔

[@MAC-xl5dn]

​@bill5627 that's for gameplay, when your taught it your told its to call forth heroes from sovengarde, they don't say how much

[@miaththered]

Welp, the Hero of Kvatch is on here, I'm happy. Kinda sad they forgot about the Eternal Champion and Hero of Daggerfall tho.

[@valeria262]

Fuck em, everybody knows elder scrolls started with Morrowind

[@cantorlok2815]

@@valeria262 Try playing Daggerfall. It's good and sets up huge amounts of the lore.

[@ToxicFaceMonkey]

The Nerevarine and the Dragonborn were destined to be heroes. I feel like the Hero of Kvatch was just some guy in a cell. He had no prophecy or dragon soul to support him. Only an opportunity, the opportunity to make something of him/herself. He/she went out there with the amulet, walked into a Gate of Oblivion, wiped out hordes of Daedra, defeated a powerful Sorcerer, an Aylied King, and defeated a Daedric Prince before mantling a God of Madness At the end of it, the Hero of Kvatch wasn't pushed by prophecy like the Nerevarine or the Dragonborn, they took an opportunity to be a hero and that takes some balls of ebony. And then actually mantling a God? Yeah. Champion of Cyrodiil is Tamriel's greatest hero

[@joynelbonetdelgado4952]

I am pretty sure he still was a chosen one, there is a reason why the emperor dreamed about him. Something similar happened to Esbern in Skyrim and you should also read the Journal of the Altmer in Falkreath.

[@srnigromante9214]

The Nerevar wasnt really destined

[@rodangrahf]

Uriel Septim predicted that the Hero of Kvatch was gonna be there and that he was gonna save everyone... Sorry, he is was destined as well.

[@rodangrahf]

@@srnigromante9214 the Nerevarine was destined to come, you doubt the daedric prince that one of her spheres are PROPHECY? The Sheer amount of coincidences that happens to the Nerevarine proves that he was destined

[@rosure7]

That's now how prophecy works... Prophecy allows you to see things that will happen. They're not chosen ones... In that sense at least

[@thegreycrusader]

The Champion of Cyrodiil became a god? How can you kill a god? What a zoklot ahrk teivo stahr!

[@sheogorath2600]

that's right I'm a god

[@thegreycrusader]

@@sheogorath2600 OH HO, CHEESE!

[@Spacefrisian]

Dragon Born could kill a god, this is actually hinted at when you speak to Clavicus Vile. When you ask for power he states that you are already half of a gods power and he doesnt want to help you gain more.

[@Grinnar]

*Laughing in god intensifies.*

[@PapaDovla]

HAHAHAHAH "how can you kill a god?" thats exatly what Dagoth Ur told Nerevarine before nerevarine killed him

[@simulacrumdei6462]

It's nice seeing the hero of kvatch getting some well deserved recognition Still think oblivion is the best game simply for having you as a side character for two of it's major plots, the vanilla main quest, where martin is the protag and the shivering isles, where it's way more about sheogorath and his ways

[@kentinson1670]

In Oblivion, you weren't the hero who saves the world. That was Martin's job. You play as Sam while Martin was Aragorn

[@evagel1548]

I love how we all just look over arena and daggerfall XD

[@hazardpay3346]

They didn't have heros

[@compulinx8101]

@@hazardpay3346 The Eternal Champion (Arena) literally traveled across the entirety of Tamriel to defeat Jagar Tharn. That's pretty damn heroic if you ask me.

[@KiTTVII]

@@hazardpay3346 The Agent is the greatest because he instigated the warp in the west wich is the single most important event that ever happened on nirn😂

[@pickles_mcgickle6583]

The eternal champion only defeated a sorcerer though, not a Demi god or Alduin, or prevent a crisis with Daedra. His deed is the smallest

[@KiTTVII]

@@pickles_mcgickle6583 Jagar tharn wasn't just a sorcerer

[@nathanpayne5737]

"Transformed there gender in front of shocked onlookers" 🤣🤣 best line

[@ShadowFox10587O]

This is the elder scrolls world I'm sure much weirder stuff has happened

[@popepiusxv]

The emojis ruined the comment

[@Tricolossus]

A thum did it XP

[@Spacefrisian]

Maybe make him/her better known by calling him/her (She or He) is not on the list....How could they know the name?

[@ChadKakashi]

*Their

[@Jonas_æ]

The answer is obviously the great Saint Jiub, Eradicator of the Winged Menace.

[@ryueldragonborn4145]

The executioner saved the world inadvertently by scratching his balls He is the most powerful

[@TheTaintedWisdom]

11:10 - Am I the only one who never killed Nazeem when playing Skyrim? Also, we all know that the greatest heroes are the children/"essential" NPCs. They're literally *immortal!* All the gods, daedric lords, dragons, playable characters, and armies of every plane could descend upon them, but *none* can kill those blessed by the -cheap- "wise," -retarded- "intelligent," and -copout- "masterful" design of -Hack- God Howard and Bethesda.

[@stoicgaardian]

TheTaintedWisdom but the Dragonborn has the power of mods

[@TheTaintedWisdom]

@@stoicgaardian Not on the 360/PS3 he/she doesn't.

[@rosshaikenleonen1416]

I haven't killed him YET

[@ki11j0y2]

Nope sherogorath can turn the essential NPC into cheese and eat the cheese boom G

[@JohannesVanDerStuyvebode]

I don't like to kill citizens.. So, no.

[@someguyontheinternet.3318]

Hero of Kvatch. He litteraly lives long enough to become the villian. Well, sheogorath isn't exacatly evil but he is still a Deadric Prince.

[@jorgeneves7969]

I wish LDB would mantle someone out of those fckers, like Dagon or Bal, although improbable (and pretty much impossible tbh) it would be fun to see

[@gamemasteroffun]

I’m sorry you spelled The Dragonborn wrong.

[@fayezahmed7522]

@@gamemasteroffun he's not talking about the Dragonborn.

[@gamemasteroffun]

Shiny Rash r/Wooosh

[@fayezahmed7522]

@@gamemasteroffun You know it's a lot harder to know if people are sarcastic because a few days ago I met a right git.

[@andreirivero3918]

The agent of daggerfall, going through spaghetti dungeons and creating the warp in the west of course

[@SageTheSahash]

a man born of dragon with no hadicaps a man reborn from a god with no handicaps or a man who became a god through every possible handicap

[@ethanrobbins5008]

I've only ever played the Dragonborn but I gotta say that the Neravarine was the most epic

[@lucicade42]

Nerevarine for the win

[@DOPN]

The guard that was an adventure like us once, until he took an arrow to the knee. Yet, can teleport wherever and change into different people

[@LygarZeroX]

Martin Septim. Literally sacrificed his life to stop the Oblivion Crisis.

[@guifdcanalli]

I see, a man of culture as well

[@ulfricstormcloak9650]

We all know the real champ is Sean Bean. The fact that even in video games, he can't stop dying, yet still he continues for our entertainment

@@ulfricstormcloak9650 is a rebel!

[@ulfricstormcloak9650]

CD Gaming indeed

[@coltmartin152]

@@ulfricstormcloak9650 huh rah

[@bigbrain9366]

The dragon born is the strongest because he resisted the urge to fus ro dah Nazeem off a mountain

[@hydrocannons7573]

My dragonborn suplexed him to death in the middle of the market district, then got away with it because of his Thane status. Best use for that ever.

[@zixx844]

My Dragonborn just enthralled him and lead him outside the walls to have a giant send him to the cloud district.

[@crandleberrysadie]

Who said TLD resisted the urge? That's a myth!

[@scalycoronet5198]

The Champion. The only man to take down 2 Daedric princes, defeat the ancient Umaril, and pulled off the most daring heist in Tamriel. He also proved himself worthy enough to wear the Relics of the Crusader and showed his might in defeating an Uderfrykte. But what really makes him so cool is that he wasn’t born with any special abilities (other than race abilities, of course) like being able to consume the souls of giant winged beasts.

[@nazaG_89]

Reality is often disappointing... Talos is considered a god all mighty but then you realize he was riding a giant mecha

[@thebk247]

The CoC did not pull off the heist. The PC’s only complete the main story lines by canon.

[@thebk247]

@@nazaG_89 the trio mantled lorkan. The mecha didnt really have anything to do with it. The Dragonborn is already a god from the start

[@scalycoronet5198]

@@thebk247 Source?

[@thebk247]

@@scalycoronet5198 Bethesda themselves.

[@kunnu6752]

The imperial guards are the true heroes. They saved my ass many times when I'm at low hp and also cleanse me from sin by saying "Stop right there criminal scum"!

[@lukepage4562]

I'm just saying, if that storm cloak hadn't interrupted that priestess and got himself killed, maybe he could have been the true hero of Skyrim.

[@bakersmileyface]

Except he's a stormcloak traitor. So more like a villain.

[@devina7819]

bakersmileyface a traitor for wanting to openly worship who they want in there own country? A traitor for not wanting to be controlled by elves that want to kill everyone? Lmao

[@macdhomhnaill7721]

bakersmileyface The only traitor amongst the stormcloaks was Ulfric. He had ulterior motives. The Nords wanted religious freedom and to not be controlled/dragged off in the night by the Altmer SS and the Nazi-meri Dominion. The Cyrodillic Empire, who was supposed to protect them in exchange for them remaining part of the Empire, failed to do so and folded to the “You can’t worship Talos” thing. This effected Skyrim almost exclusively. None of the other provinces save Hammerfel really gave a shit. This made the citizens of Skyrim feel singled-out. Between that, the outlawing of the worship of their chief deity and honored ancestor, the forsworn rebellions, a growing vampire menace, tons of refugees flooding in from Morrowind when the Nords were already struggling to maintain themselves, the collapse of Winterhold, and a long string of incompetent and spineless jarls coupled with what they viewed as a spineless Emperor... the Nords of Skyrim were FED THE FUCK UP with all the bs. They decided to take matters into their own hands. They’d been forgotten about and told to suck it up while they were oppressed and refugees poured in to soak up more of their resources amidst an already failing province. They rallied behind Ulfric (not a good guy, but he was familiar, he was a Skyrim Nord, and he promised to give the people back their country) and rebelled in the name of honor, freedom, and a better future for their children and grandchildren. Your average stormcloak is not a “traitor” or “evil” or anything. The average stormcloak is a Nord who wants freedom from tyranny and oppression, to no longer be the one who feels the pinch when emperors and Dominions go around squeezing, to honor his ancestors and to make a better Skyrim for his children and grandchildren. There aren’t many reasons more noble than that, in my opinion. While the Stormcloak rebellion likely won’t end well for Skyrim, while Ulfric isn’t a good person, and while there is a bigger picture going on... it’s hard to argue “the big picture” to Nord families who are starving, lost their homes, lost loved ones, and now lost their religious freedom. They’re angry, downtrodden, and they want their lives back. That’s what makes a Stormcloak.

[@bakersmileyface]

​@@devina7819 Well I mean they swore allegiance to the Empire. Therefore they are betraying the empire. So yes. That makes them traitors. The Empire fought hard against the elves along side the nords, fighting for their rights as well as the rights of every other nation in the Empire. They lost. Just because things are going bad for them at that period of time, the stormcloaks are stabbing the Empire in the back and doing their own thing, weakening the Empire further. These stormcloaks have no loyalty. If the Empire had not upheld their end of the bargain to the Nords, then I would understand. Loyalty works both ways. But no, the Empire has upheld their end and done everything they could however they unfortunately lost, but the stormcloaks betrayed them anyway. Haha and what's with that little smug "Lmao" at the end? You can't even use the correct grammar and you want to act condescending. Try harder this time.

[@devina7819]

bakersmileyface correct grammar on KZbin you’re fucking funny and maybe u should do some more research because nobody lost fucking dumbass

[@rogehmarbi]

That one teacher mage in College of Winterhold. Can't remember his name, but I remember him getting out and fighting the magic anomalies with his FISTS despite being a literal master of magic

[@realMemberberries]

no love for the Eternal Champion? That guy/girl had to ride ALOT of miles, sir

[@raefinoh1172]

What about Cyrus? Or that one guy who was in some mage tower and defeated Mehrunes Dagon by yelling his true name at him?

[@WW-sk9qf]

@@raefinoh1172 wait what. Can you tell me more about the guy who defeated mehrunes dagon?

[@raefinoh1172]

@@WW-sk9qf There was an ES game released in 1997 called Battlespire that was set in the aforementioned Battlespire (it's a daedric realm created by mages that is used as a training facility for other mages). In the game you play a character who is trapped in the Battlespire which has been overrun by daedra. The main villain is Mehrunes Dagon who you defeat by saying his true name (called neonym in the game). Here is a video about it: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/joLQmKV4eqx6jqs

[@emlynselene1096]

@@raefinoh1172 the guy from battlespire is aptly called the Hero of the Battlespire, I believe

[@raefinoh1172]

@@emlynselene1096 Ok. Thanks for the info.

[@moor7781]

Nah man, Daggerfall’s protagonist had it tough. He literally sacrificed himself in one ending.

[@charlesmansonpart2498]

The Dragonborn literally killed the god that ends time so that there was no apocalypse

[@ibrahimdafalla6695]

The thalmor will do it instead !

[@bluhearts5216]

And he takes over as leader of several factions throughout the game, and ends the civil war, and reformed the blades, and became the reigning champion for all the reachable daedric gods. He put practically everyone at ease by just *EXISTING*

[@charlesmansonpart2498]

Blu Hearts 👌

[@sknow1713]

Also he is an incarnation of Shor

[@kingvince7328]

I think fudgemuppet is more of an oblivion fan, which is fine idc. But people like to conveniently forget that tld also fought alduin on the throat of the world and alduin had to flee, with even less help than when he killed alduin. Ask me, people overhyped tld having "help". He honestly probably could've killed alduin without help. For example: miraak states he could've destroyed alduin had he gotten the chance. You then destroy miraak, who by the way, has been training in the art of the Thu'um for THOUSANDS of years. He is by all normal standards, a god.

[@tamiloxd7168]

Technically the Hero of Kvatch did not defeat Merhunes Dagon, It was Akatosh and Martin Septim. So i would say the Nerevarine and the Dovahkiin, maybe the Dovahkiin, if we respect the lore Alduin wanted to destroy Tamriel. The fucking Dovahkiin walked into Sovengard and Aprocrypha. I forget to mention the fact that we have to kill the first and the most powerful Dovahkiin. He killed a weird vampire who wanted to shut off the sun.

[@iNIMATEstudio]

I mean,he still defeat two daedric prince umaril and jygallag, three if you add sheogorath(honestly I don't know if our champion defeated sheogorath or not because its sheogorath himself that turn himself into jyggalag)

[@iNIMATEstudio]

And he storm all the oblivion gate in cyrodil and shutdown the greater oblivion portal

[@Redneck_Technophile]

Yea, the Last Dragonborn did have help when he finally killed Alduin in Sovengarde, but you forget that he beat him once before in single combat at the top of the Throat of the World. This proves that he still would’ve been able to kill Alduin in Sovengarde even if he didn’t have the help of the three ancient nord heros. Oh and it also means that he beat the first born of Akatosh not once, but twice. I don’t think there really are any feats much greater than that, aside from beating Akatosh himself. Not to mention all the theories that the Last Dragonborn actually IS Akatosh, in which case it’s even more of a no contest who the greatest hero is.

[@thomaslegrand9235]

Paarthurnax was helping him

[@paleoleft]

@@thomaslegrand9235 not if you kill him

[@thomaslegrand9235]

@@paleoleft i thought you cant kill him before killing alduin

[@paleoleft]

@@thomaslegrand9235 I haven't don the blades quest line in a while but I think you can beforehand. I can't really remember

[@jojoke3934]

there is no way in hell dovahkiin is tamriel's greatest hero. Nerevarine slew literal gods and hircine and the Hero of Kvatch became a god. these are feats leagues above the dragonborn's

[@foolofhearts8126]

Considering that if the Dovahkiin hadn’t stopped Alduin then the universe would cease to exist, that includes oblivion. That means Sheogorath’s realm wouldn’t exist either (and the fact that the hero of Kvatch didn’t actually defeat Mehrunes Dagon) The nerevarine required technology lost to time that only one living being could repair/make functional. (Yagrum bagaarn) so imagine if Yagrum hadn’t been left behind on Nirn when the Dwemer transcended! Overall, the Dovahkiin was more powerful and more vital to the continued existence of the entire universe than the other two (and relied less on other people to save his/her arse).

[@declancampbell1277]

though i agree with dragonborn having the most important role, i thing its the hero from oblivion who claims the title of strongest. beat the strongest daedric prince in 1 on 1 combat and then became a daedric prince himself

[@arkron7093]

@@declancampbell1277 Mehrunes Dagon in comparison to dragon that was meant to devourer Tamriel, Sovngarde and souls doomed in daedric realms it's nothing. Someone who could defeat Alduin at 1 vs 1 fight in Tamriel in his strongest form is pretty much someone who could kill all daedric princes.

[@Palatinus-Z]

@@arkron7093 Plus, he has the Bow of Auriel and can destroy life on the planet and keep the world hostage. Also plus, he can tame dragons and never forget he is the champion of hermaeous mora by canon, thus, great knowledge.

[@greevsy01]

@@arkron7093 hes is talking about jygallag he was going to steam roll all realms of oblivion until the princes cursed him

[@checkform8345]

Alduin eats Mundus not oblivion so you’re wrong, and TLD literally had his ass saved by alduin, and odhaviing, and arngeir, and parthurnaax, need I go on

[@kiretoandslimglarus]

2:17 Milk truck has arrived.

[@Connor._.06]

Kirka Kirkata look at those honkers

[@DCBiscuit]

It would be the coolest thing ever if in ES6 we got a quest where we interacted with the other protagonists in a spiritual form or something. Super fanservice heavy, but it would be sweet to reflect on the series history through their eyes and voices. Like, if the Dragonborn had a line about the constant urge to commit horrible crimes but gently put himself down.

[@ozzuzzomg]

ye i think its gonna still be about the empire and thalmor prolly the main quest and I think you should be able to meet the dragon born and maybe even learn shouts with long quests

[@DCBiscuit]

@@ozzuzzomg Oh for sure on that first bit. They would absolutely need to address the civil war and the Dark Brotherhood questlines. The death of the Emperor AND either acknowledging a much stronger or weaker Empire, with them having gained or lost Skyrim as a foothold? It is the definitive plot point they need to cover in VI. Not to mention a much stronger Thieves' Guild, with the potential for the strongest Gray Fox in history if that CC quest is canon.

[@amog8202]

@@DCBiscuit dragonborn=easy dragon break :P

[@legion4902]

We'd likely be able to meet the Nerevarine in flesh. He's immortal.

[@bobafett5399]

@@legion4902 hope I’m the new game we meet all of them in a dlc like we go to train under the Dragonborn first then fight daedric princes and meet the nerevarine then as the final boss the hero of cryodyl

[@UwU-xk5cx]

Between those 3 I think that the most remembered would be the dragonborn, the neverine is definetively #1 in morrowind but has little importance in the rest of the provinces that varely knew what was happening and let alone knowing that a potentially world ending crisis was happening, the champion of cyrodill again would be the #1 on cyrodill but a champion who saved the people of a province that left alone the morrowind during the crisis wouldnt be so popular there and the same goes for most of the other provinces who fought the crisis by themselves like black marsh or elsweyr for example, and in the summerset isles case, a hero who saved their enemy from total collapse also wouldnt seem so appealing and at the end it was basically a form of akatosh the one that ended the threat, not directly himself, making his tale a little less popular, instead the dovahkiin basically single handedly ended a global crisis which could only be ended by himself, a crisis that prevented tamriel not only from being destroyed but for the whole mundus to restart putting an end to our kalpa

[@danieldennehy3578]

Yeah Dragonborn is going to be a more sung story at the end of the day but is likely not the most important

[@TheScienceguy77]

The Dragonborn ends three global crises by defeating Alduin, Lord Harkon and Miraak.

[@kingdamager7370]

When o first played skyrim, wondered why the dragons just didn't go take over some other land where there was no dragonborn. They could have literally just went south or anywhere.

[@opticalraven1935]

Because the majority of dragons were buried in Skyrim. By that logic, Dagon could have set up shop anywhere in Tamirel but chose Cyrodiil as his stomping grounds.

[@5a7ya]

Understand the nature of Dragons. For dragons, men and mer are like ants, intelligent ants which can be enslaved. They wanted to rule over other sentient creatures as they saw them as weak because of their mortality. Hence, they made an error in judging the circumstances. Alduin was all cocky until you dragonrend him over the throat of the world and he runs away to hide in Sovengarde like a little boy. Also the dragons are arrogant and power drunk, they didn't take the dragonborn seriously in the beginning of the game. So, if you are an immortal apex predator with power rivalling the gods in the eyes of the mortals, then its natural that you would try to rule them. And most men and mer are found in Tamriel

[@arctic_shadow578]

South for the winter

[@Austin-zg6gt]

In the game it states that dragons were prideful creatures. They called skyrim their home and probably are way to prideful to run away from their home because of the dragonborn. plus imo the dragons have a sort of respect for the dragonborn even if they do try to kill him.

[@danielshore1457]

@@opticalraven1935 dagon did set up in all places of tamriel he opened oblivion gates in all provinces such as Skyrim and black marsh

[@4evanp]

4:11 That made me laugh so hard for some reason I can just imagine the town and imperials faces as this man transformed in front of them

[@azrael7853]

Him: this guy is the greatest hero Courier: hold my letter

[@Galimeer5]

Pelinal Whitestrake is the real MVP. If he and Morihaus hadn't joined up with Alessia, the ayleids would never have been overthrown. But the when Alessia decided to wait before storming the White-Gold Tower, Pelinal went Leroy Jenkins and did it himself. Did he fall for a trap that ultimately took his life? Yes, but he still single-handedly killed every last ayleid, auroran, and the combination thereof (Umaril) inside the Tower. Plus, he wasn't entirely killed either, so there's that.

[@andrewsenecal6686]

But if you really think about it Pelinal Whitestrake was also a massive war criminal. And while we are on the topic, so was Ysgramor.

[@DragonGunzDorian]

pelinal is to the elves what doomguy is to the demons rip and tear. lol

[@ki-td5yb]

@@andrewsenecal6686 Ysgramor had just cause, the snow elves sacked and massacred the nords of Saarthal. I admit The 500 were extreme.

[@brendan9868]

Andrew Senecal the Snow Elves were the damn war criminals, they slaughtered the Atmoran’s settlement unprovoked. The snow elves deserved what they got from Ysgramor. Plus it wasn’t even men that really fucked the snow elves, it was the Dwemer.

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

Pelinal was a demi-God, as was Morihaus. They're like the Dragonborn in that they were born with power, and didn't have to work for it.

[@iamslightlybetterthanyou2679]

The guards are obviously the bravest heroes considering all the arrows they got to the knee

[@druidspoe7833]

When you were explaining the entrance to skyrim i couldn't stop laughing at if he didnt take another moment to scratch his balls for about 10 minutes

[@JulianVHayden]

It'd be neat if you could, in Elder Scrolls 6, find the Nerevarine and the Dragon Born and use them as companions or have them be integral to the plot. They could be customizable too so they look like your players from Morrowind and Skyrim, that'd be cool.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

I really hope the dragonborn shows up apart of a quest for hermaeus mora in elder scrolls 6. If 6 ever comes out that is.

[@ryanbarber6481]

It would be pretty cool if they'd come up with a system like Dragon Age's "Dragon Keep" where, you can upload your save file and have it intertwine with the world setting of the next game. This also works for the appearance of the character. But only problem with that is, mods lol. You appearance would probably be butchered if you had a crap ton of texture mods, and other aesthetics tied in character creation. It would be dope, though! Or if ES6 you play as the Dragonborn. Until we know more, we can all just sit back, theorize who we will be playing as, etc.

[@brojangles8816]

Well we have to take in account that before the champ of Cyrodiil became Sheogorath he bested Jyggalag in a duel. For a mortal to beat a daedric prince like that is batshit crazy op.

[@fultheim3580]

I mean, the three heroes that got destroyed all at the same time by Alduin back in the Merethic era were all the strongest Nordic heroes ever. Even stronger than Barhok, who was deemed unbeatable by even the ALMSIVI, same ALMSIVI who with 2/3 of their might (only Almalexia and Sotha Sil) brutally defeated true form Mehrunes Dagon. lol

[@PelinalWhitestrake36]

The Alex Jones part is god-tier

[@GHOST5800000]

"your a fake and a fraud" had me dying

[@SplinterX1990]

When he started running I lost it

[@majikalmcmuffin6258]

if you played morrowind as a mage there is no contest whatsoever 'i can fly, can you fly!?'

[@fulsame1]

You'll have to levitate to the upper level. You...can levitate, can't you? Dragonborn been real quiet since he met the telvani

[@gamemaster1608]

Dragonborn with Whirlwind Sprint and some Netch Jelly: Hold my Skooma

[@brandontheurer1372]

@@gamemaster1608 I am currently playing mage in my morrowind play though and after gathering artifacts and trinkets... if i actually have to use magika to kill you.... good job lol

[@mhallicegaming]

@@gamemaster1608 that's not flying, that's falling with style.

[@Tibo_I]

summon a dragon to fly ez

[@B1311-x1d]

dragonborn: i just sent alduin further in time hero of kvatch: i just helped gave the amulet to martin so he can kill mehruns dagon . . nerevarine: bitch please i killed a living god and an immortal, and struck a dagger in the heart of lorkhan without fast travel

[@devbrit2104]

No, the Dragonborn killed Alduin, he essentially factory reset the end of space time.

[@azrael7853]

Courier: I’ve went to sovengarde and back to give the Dragonborn a fucking letter

[@alejandroguzmanrodriguez854]

Finally, some love for the nerevarine! Why is everyone omitting the fact that the nerevarine defeated hircine in single combat? Not to mention that he did it after taking down an army of werewolves and Karstaag himself, that secret boss of Skyrim who is so difficult for the Dovahkiin to defeat.

[@fancygg563]

@@alejandroguzmanrodriguez854 The nerevarine could be a "she" , ya know :)

[@alejandroguzmanrodriguez854]

@@fancygg563 for us players of course, but in the lore Neloth confirms that the Nerevarine was a male

[@ratryox5667]

Arena and Daggerfall: Why you, why you... bully me?

[@nonamegiven202]

*Meanwhile over in the second era* The Vestige-"oh that's cute"

[@weeklythrower5897]

no name given bro not going to lie I think the vestige is the weakest when eso came out it took the charm from the elder scrolls games

[@pj5403]

*dragon born* I saved the world and killed dragons. *hero of kavatch* I saved the world became a god defeated the most powerful necromancer and can make spells. *nerivar* I am immortal brought back the worship of azura went to akivere and can FLY *the vestige in the background* amateurs *everyone else* WHAT WAS THAT PUNK *vestige with all dlcs* amateurs

[@xJEDIx-]

The vestige literally defeated a daedric prince in their realm of oblivion

[@kriktsemaj]

The only reason I think the dragonborn is the most powerful is that we don't know the extent to a shout's powers. Considering that a few random heroes made a shout of pure anger to turn an immortal beast mortal, the dragonborn could make their own shout to make daedra or maybe even gods mortal, then kill them with their large aresal of shouts.

[@Aliyah_666]

Not likely the daedric princes are no pushover. I'm sure most would laugh at the ldb and then use their own magic and end it. Alduin wasn't even confirmed as having beaten the daedric princes.

[@H.LeonideSouza]

​@@Aliyah_666dude was the consumer of worlds. He also was no push over.

[@1bucketcrusader834]

Forever Champion: Am I a joke to you? The Agent: Am I a joke to you?

[@yarp1246]

My initial thought was the Vestige. Actually mindblowing in scope how much they've done all over Tamriel. ETA: Forgot to add this, because it is interesting: "Each is a mortal kidnapped from Mundus at the moment of death, his or her soul stolen by Molag Bal for some unthinkable purpose, and given in exchange the vestige that enables him or her to form a counterfeit body here in Coldharbour. But they are not native to Oblivion, so a Soul Shriven’s body is a sad imitation of the body worn in life, suffering rapid wear and decay until it dies-a death that is no liberation, for its vestige only forms a body once again, over and over, ad infinitum …. Such are the facts. What follows is speculation, born of conversations with the Sojourner during his infrequent and unpredictable visits. His theory is that the Soul Shriven’s bodies are flawed because they have lost the focusing principle of their Anuic souls, so their vestiges are imperfect patterns. I concurred that this was likely, and then proposed the theoretical possibility of a Soul Shriven who, despite having lost his or her soul, possessed some other intrinsic Anuic aspect. This shall-we-say "paragon" Soul Shriven would form an unflawed body in Coldharbour that was a perfect duplicate of the body worn in Mundus. In fact, if this paragon bore a sufficiently high Anuic valence, upon contact with Padomaic creatia its body would form almost instantaneously. The Sojourner scoffed at my theory, but seemed taken with the idea nonetheless. He went on to speculate that if such a thing were possible, it would probably occur in a situation where the Mundus was in existential jeopardy. In that case the Heart of Nirn would spontaneously generate such "paragon" individuals as a way of defending itself from destruction, in a manner analogous to the way the mortal body fights off infection." -from Chaotic Creatia: The Azure Plasm

[@LokFan96]

It not really fair to compare the vestige ESO is a massively bigger game giving him way more feat to go off plus its still ongoing so there will be more

[@yarp1246]

@@LokFan96 Alright, fair enough. Let us forget that the other chapters did not exist, and focus solely on the base game. The Vestige defeats Molag Bal *and* takes on Mannimarco, which by itself makes them on par with any other hero in TES lore. Not to mention all of the other achievements the Vestige can accomplish in the base game in their alliances. All heroes in TES lore are "paragon individuals," but what gives the Vestige an edge is that they are reformed after and have a lore-backed reason behind it. All in all, the Vestige is pretty powerful, and pretty neat.

[@LokFan96]

@@yarp1246 He is strong I admit would place him equally with the Hero of Kavatch. Both had the balls to fight against daedric princes and wage war in enemy territory. I will point out that Oblivion's story frames Martin being the real hero so it prevent the hero from getting to fight Dagon even if he wanted to.

[@artikelservice796]

agree, if we talking about lore and achievement in defending the realm, yeah vestige is definitely one of the top heroes in TES lore

[@hyperbros96]

@@yarp1246 As far as feats go Vestige has never shown anything as destructive as any single TES protagonist, without additional help. Champion of Cyrodiil defeat the most dangerous out of all Daedric Princes once he mantled Sheogorath, Jyggalag. Dragonborn slays dragons left and right alone. Nerevarine defeated avatar of Hircine. These are all feats that we also can witness in ESO, except for vestige is not powerful enough to accomplish any of them alone, without extraordinary divine help or special circumstances. Vestige can reform like a Daedroth, which is his main advantage, he can not be killed or at least it seems so for now, but he is not on equal grounds with LDB, Nerevarine or CoC. Essentially what I am saying is that if it was a fight without powers to reform the Vestige would in my opinion lose to all of these three heroes even single time.

[@TheBrunarr]

The Last Dragonborn became the champion of Hermaeus Mora, taking Miraak's place.

[@metetural9140]

So? Hero of Kvatch became the champion of Hermaues as well. Before he mantled Sheogorath of course. Actually now that I think about it, so did the Neravarine

[@notalpharius4553]

@@metetural9140 Doing Daedric quest doesn't mean becoming their champion.

[@metetural9140]

@@notalpharius4553 yes they do? If a Daedric prince gives you one of their artifacts they make you their champion

[@notalpharius4553]

@@metetural9140 Not true, because anyone can wield and find a daedric artifact not just a champion. Also if what you say is true anyone who make a deal with a daedra like clavicus or sheogorath will become their champion wich is stupid. I agree that it as happened one time with the dragonborn because nocturnal literally ask you to give your soul to her, but beside her none of them did (except Herma mora) and even then it is agreed that the guild quest are not done by the hero but by someone else.

[@metetural9140]

@@notalpharius4553 yeah not just anyone can wield a Daedric artifact. If the said Daedra's champion dies the artifact leaves Mundus and returns to the princes side for their next champion. If a prince gives you a Daedric artifact you are now that said Daedric princes champion meaning your soul belongs to them. Tis why most people worship only one Daedra (or non at all). But the player characters are different, the dragonborn can't belong to any of these Daedra because of him being basically a child of Akatosh, meaning they'll probably go to Aetherius when they die. The Hero of Kvatch? He becomes a Daedric Prince so his soul belongs to only himself. And the Neravarine only exists because of Azura so they'll go to Moonshadow when or should I say if they die

[@ienglish4203]

The protagonists of Arena and Daggerfall: am i a joke to you?

[@PartsuPihimys]

hero of daggerfal wrote themselves out of existence though xD, but yeah, eternal champion could still be there somewhere... though they just collected some parts of some staff and then killed some wizard so their achievement's aren't all that good compared to these three xD

[@Fem_Witch]

And also ESO's protagonist.

[@JungéShikisanki]

I gotta give it to the Dovakihn They literally saved the world from being eaten. Sure Tamriel would have been invaded by Daedra, but that doesn’t mean that its the end.

[@turkepic3637]

I can just imagine all three going at it with their broken enchantments. I believe oblivion has the most broken enchantments like invincibility.

[@mildsthatyac2097]

Masterclass RetardTM the Dragonborn could become Ethereal, slow time, etc.

[@turkepic3637]

@@mildsthatyac2097 tru dat

[@thefallenchaoskeeper]

Dragonborn: Hold my 6e74% increased enchanting and 0 second shout cooldown ability.

[@Protobaldy]

Playing morrowind hold my permanent invisibility 100% resistance to all bad statuses 100% spell block/absorption/reflect the ability to make potion last for years with any stat desired and the ability to take skills in the tree permanently past 100

[@MurkyWaters677]

@@mildsthatyac2097 The console is the Dragonborn's greatest power.

[@seynkrosis9658]

8:06 when...when you included those cliff racers I...I was genuinely scared man

[@PotatoClub]

just some honorable mentions: Pelinal Whitestrake, Ysgramor, Talos, The Soulless One

[@andrewsenecal6686]

The only one there that is truly a hero is The Soulless one aka The Vestige. Pelinal and Ysgramor both committed mass genocide. And Talos or Tiber Septim was a power hungry war monger.

[@alysonkiszewski5032]

@@andrewsenecal6686 well tiber septim actually became one of the nines, maybe he wasnt so bad at all

[@Vanessa-xl5jy]

@@alysonkiszewski5032 he's not a God. He's a remarkable & a strong man yes, but he's not a God.

[@tulioelmexa]

@@Vanessa-xl5jy Talos is a God. There's a quest in oblivion where you have to obtain divine blood, so you have to retrieve Talos Armor to obtain that blood. So yes, he is a God.

[@Vanessa-xl5jy]

@@tulioelmexa I am aware of that, but I myself thought that it was meant to be "a blood that is sacred & divine" instead of "a Divine's blood". Meaning that a dragonborn blood should work (Martin Septim's blood perhaps even worked). Just like how you open Sky Haven Temple in Skyrim. So, still i don't believe that Talos ascends godhood.

[@Zlonk7]

The greatest hero was lucien who literally went into my dreams just to tell me about his secret club