K-Pop Star Giselle Gets *Tactical* During a Lip Sync & Twitter Goes Ballistic

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[@thepolarphantasm2319]

"kpop stans are feral, like raccoons" - Vowsh, '21 Huge slam on raccoons bro 🦝😭

[@andythedestro12]

Why he so mean to trash pandas? Voosh cancelled for animal abuse

[@mathieuleader8601]

they are tanuki

[@arp2303]

@@mathieuleader8601 racc dog foxy boi

[@arp2303]

Raccoons deserve respect >:c

[@ericafordham6753]

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DARE SAY THAT ABOUT US WE ARE AN INCREDIBLY CIVIL COMMUNI... oh damn i guess you're right

[@rayflyers]

I love how "tactical" has become a euphemism on Vaush's channel, and we all know what it means.

[@beaaaaaan6919]

What does it mean

[@bobpope3656]

Yeah what does it mean?

[@littleghost6102]

it means the n word

[@kalks4334]

@darzsh dude this has nothing to do with actual racism

[@saltymcginger2027]

@darzsh still bait. He doesn't defend it he has repeatedly said he was wrong so I'm calling this bait.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

I knew a guy in college who used the f-slur all the time. I wasn’t good enough friends with him to feel comfortable with him using it, so I asked him to stop using it around me. He started screaming about how he had a right to say it because he served in the army and free speech and I’m an SJW censoring him… So, uh, I’d say he didn’t like queer people.

[@harmzyz0682]

Not all gay people are queer, bigot.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

@@harmzyz0682 I thought you “queer is a slur” people were myths

[@hyperx72]

@@harmzyz0682 Imagine being this easy to trigger.

[@Blakbox92]

@@nervousbreakdown711 Harmzy is probably a concern troll, guy's further up playing defence for Cucker not being racist.

[@darkhorse381]

"Please stop saying that. I find it rude." "I'm being censored!!! REEEEE!" Anti-SJWs are the biggest snowflakes and are cringer than the SJWs they like to make fun of.

[@andrewforte2018]

"Get tactical, marines!" -Sergeant Johnson

[@Sam_Da_Fox9151]

I love that I'm not the only one that thought this

[@justinlacek1481]

"Oo-rah!"

[@Zodore.]

Sergeant Alden

[@goodluckgorsky3413]

@@Zodore. fuck, beat me to it

[@hyperx72]

@@Zodore. Alden's Halo Array

[@GraveReaperCushions]

"You need to learn and grow" It's a shame JonTron stans aren't like that... 😑

[@seanupton709]

difference is, JonTron is actually an idiot lol

[@AngryShooter]

@@seanupton709 That's the point, stands are only like that towards people who don't deserve it.

[@NaudVanDalen]

People who cancelled JonTron weren't his stans. JonTron stans barely cared about it.

[@nightshade71986]

@@NaudVanDalen Well yeah fans that had a problem with it ditched him, now the Stan's remain and they are defending his antivax BS.

[@mechadracula3193]

@@NaudVanDalen I was a huge fan of Jon Tron until I found out he was racist. I have friends that were as well. A lot of his fans left and were replaced by right wing psychos who only like him because he is racist

[@rinatennouji5988]

I can't believe Giselle is now a KKK member. I am crying.

[@boilingsnowwater2121]

This is the inevitable path that CRT leads to.

[@Zarastro54]

Really puts the KKK in K-pop.

[@moralkombat66]

@@Zarastro54 KKK-pop

[@shaheenshad5012]

@@boilingsnowwater2121 no

[@boilingsnowwater2121]

@@shaheenshad5012 don't deny reality.

[@wigbig6192]

Never thought I would see the day where vaush talks about aespa

[@brydakainma]

I don’t know who that is.

[@dariang4725]

@@brydakainma it's the kpop group the tactical girl is a part of. Relatively new group.

[@brydakainma]

@@dariang4725 I feel like a boomer but I’m 21??

[@kale3563]

@@brydakainma no worries, they're a new group and not popular outside of kpop. if ur not into it, itd make sense why you wouldn't know them.

[@wigbig6192]

@@brydakainma they've only had 2 singles so far. If you don't pay close attention to K-pop it's easy to miss new groups

[@beansfebreeze]

Vaush saying "Kidz bop Weezer" has sent my soul far into another dimension searching for that version of El Scorcho

[@beansfebreeze]

Can Tired of Sex be called Tired of Recess or something pls I need this

[@rohiogerv22]

Hot ham, those half-Japanese squirrels

[@8BLOO8]

I feel like “you look like you listen to kids bop weezer” would be one of the most devastating roasts I’ve ever heard

[@pranafox_]

Unironically you wouldn't believe how many of these k-pop stans actually are 20+. It would actually blow your mind. They're severely deranged individuals, truly.

[@adverumthegreat4736]

That's honestly sad. Bizarre parasocial relationships with e-celebs and singers need to stop ASAP

[@Tooopper]

Yeah…We’re really 20+era with parasocial relationships with bearded cat dudes.

[@pranafox_]

@@adverumthegreat4736 It gets worse when you see people who literally self-proclaim themselves in a referential way to a character in an Eminem song with a serious delusional attachment, calling other people deluded. Or when you see them roleplaying as a REAL PERSON, and think man what is that idol going to think when they stumble across this shit.

[@FrauStormm]

I was heavy into the fandom until my mid-20’s and it wasn’t uncommon to come across women in their 30’s who were still dedicated stans.

[@soliddragon5571]

Yeah for real. I like some kpop songs but I used to be really into it and I met some very cringe people

[@tinycrimester]

Can you imagine if people focused on actually doing something to end racism.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Note that Tucker Carlson spends his entire life with minimal resistance to his white supremacy, meanwhile some random teenager will get harassed daily by people with nothing better to do.

[@harmzyz0682]

@@PlatinumAltaria maybe because he’s not a white supremacist? I’m not even politically aligned with him and can recognize that

[@PlatinumAltaria]

@@harmzyz0682 Actually he is, as many MANY people can attest. No need to white knight for him.

[@Astro2024]

@@harmzyz0682 it's so fucking obvious he is lol. You just proved the point

[@harmzyz0682]

@@PlatinumAltaria oh wow. Many people can attest? Who? Random people on Twitter and people who don’t like his political views? Crazy. Guess they’re right then

[@ProperlyGaming]

This is the most ridiculous shit ever. I truly am happy I've never been a big twitter user, cause holy shit it seems like everyone on the damn site needs to touch some grass

[@s0Shi]

indeed

[@dontuserachelslurs]

this is why I don't even listen to music. you never know. I might be bopping along to Mozart and accidentally let a tactical slip and get Twitter mad at me. My ears are for jesus only

[@qwertyqwerty-ek7dy]

Just don't listen to Mozard's "Leck mich im Arsch".

[@l.3ok]

listen to Mozart's "Leck mich im Arsch", it's funny af.

[@user-leavemealone]

The best thing to do is to listen to music without giving two fucks about the person who's worked their ass on it. That's none of our business. We should only scavenge.

[@thecynth3820]

@Parker "Well, 2 jokes (if you count Mozart as a joke in and of himself...)" Antonio Salieri

[@TheeSinnerman]

She literally doesn't even listen to music. Sigma Woman moment.

[@TerminallyOnlineLeftist]

As far as the "pass" goes, I've lived in the south my entire life. Most of my friends were black, and they would call me the n-word in a friendly manner, and I'm white enough that I make Kenny G look black. I remember losing my shit one day and saying "if you're going to call me a slur, call me cracker" and my friend said "hey man, if a 'n-word' calls you 'n-word', that just means you're a cool 'n-word'." I still don't say it, because I just don't like how it sounds coming out of my mouth. Your mileage may vary.

[@ThomasW215PHL]

It sounds weird because it’s not culturally meant for us lmao. I don’t think the pass exists unless you’re black. Is there a f word pass? An r word pass? Nope and nope. Language is very interesting.

[@lostdreams9547]

I'm (a non white) latino and I wouldn't feel weird to say it, I just don't do it bc I know it may hurt someone.

[@rileysmith2354]

@@ThomasW215PHL All this talk makes my ownership-impaired brain hurt. I'll follow Vaush's optically reasoning to the same conclusion, and you can go convince some capitalists or something.

[@bearcudlybear]

​@Leo Ballet wait wait wait... just because Vaush is ok with it (he kinda has to if he wants to reman consistent) does not therefor mean the actual community or more broadly, American political discourse, recognizes the existence of such "passes". certainly not remotely to the extent of the racial counterpart. I believe this was the point being made. Also, it is just not the case that lgbtq people dont use the f word casually, wtf are you saying? That's part of the point of reclaiming... How many gay people have you been around? Serious question.

[@billhicks8]

@Leo Ballet How about just nobody say these stupid slurs. They make the speaker look completely idiotic everytime.

[@ebonia7199]

You'd be surprised how diverse and A LOT older these stans are!!! (they're just dumb haha) It be surprising me a lot of the time. Usually how you know if it's a POC is if they use slang correctly.

[@alhasanmohammed4126]

Most of them are between the age of 12_26

[@GamerBronyEs]

i love your profile pic

[@Dominator150395]

16:18 This reminds me of this video I saw of a Romanian Politician (Vadim Tudor, for my fellow countrymen) absolutely tearing into this poor lady, where he called her "Șomâldoacă". I then googled that word, because I didn't know what it meant... and it turned out it was that woman's last name. He spat it out with such venom, that I honestly thought it was a slur.

[@alvaeriksson3623]

True fans remember when Vaush debated a Romanian called Vadim. Can't believe it was at least 2 years ago

[@83RhalataShera]

I really can't believe Joe Biden said this.

[@soliipsiism]

it’s so funny bc on youtube and instagram kpop stans are chill asf and then you log into twitter …

[@s0Shi]

sucks when people (including those that you'd generally agree with) buy into misconceptions and make general assumptions based off of weirdos on twitter, like- imagine having a whole group of people judged based on a portion *on twitter* 😭

[@qwertyqwerty-ek7dy]

Huh... Mabye it's just Twitter... Who knew!

[@DissedRedEngie]

@@s0Shi Literally every group ever is the victim of that.

[@s0Shi]

@A Very Disappointed Red Engineer yes…and yet people still do that shit. You’d think we’d be a little more aware by now 🤔

[@SnowCat-nu7gj]

Genuinely once was controling the playlist at a party and someone wanted to put on a song with the n word in the title and my friend (yes a white girl) told me I wasn't allowed to search it on Spotify and instead had to go through the artists discography

[@FirionLeFleur]

When worlds collide, you'll twerk inside. -Patrick or someone idk I didn't pay attention

[@carlogaytan7010]

Literally me when it comes to quotes😂

[@kenpatchiramasama1076]

Ff13-2 moment

[@malum9478]

@@kenpatchiramasama1076 destiny is destiny.

[@jaythehuman2552]

*Big lipped alligator moment.*

[@ofanichan]

11:34 in high school i was the only white guy in my class (im a white girl now, so lol) but i remember the guys in class thought it was so funny that i was like the minority in class that they kept saying im “an adopted n word” and gave me the rights lmfao. I was never comfortable with doing it, but in retrospect thats hilarious.

[@8bitdiedie]

They really gave you the n word pass unprompted like that? Legendary.

[@ofanichan]

@@8bitdiedie yeah it was really weird. Cuz I was kind of a loner, so it came out of nowhere lmao

[@8bitdiedie]

@@ofanichan They seemed to mean it in a nice way at least. I’d feel awkward too but I’d much rather be treated like that than “othered” if I was the minority in my school.

[@kmbkla]

I never thought my worlds would collide like this lmao

[@jeongbun2386]

Ikr

[@Tooopper]

When you escape the alt right and free yourself from the mental shackles of “enlighten centrism,” burst out to see the left side of the spectrum and find this….Roblox? Roblox.

[@burkles4456]

Be more specific

[@Creamcups]

Conservative 12 year olds are just as cringe, this has nothing to do with left-rigt

[@zephyr7552]

Truly there is no winning

[@Tooopper]

@@burkles4456 Don’t tell me what to do!!

[@ometta7]

@@burkles4456 I think he said he's going to make himself be non-alive because he clawed his way from the alt right, through the political spectrum, and found his way to the left, only to find...something? Wokescolds? Vaush dunking on teenybopper kpop stans? I don't know, exactly. Something about his political journey has disappointed him enough to want to commit self-cadaverism.

[@lietz13]

Wait til they find out the chinese word for "that one"

[@stophackingmygoogleaccount3886]

Ni ge PEPE

[@jjdude5531]

or the spanish word for the literal color black

[@s0Shi]

misunderstandings with that phrase can get really awkward XP, I can recall at least one experience that a family member explained

[@princessjello]

Trevor noah had a standup bit about it actually

[@bassekaman8315]

lul black folk have never experience the lengths "not racist" white folks will dedicate to saying nigga to them at all and any cost....

[@BlueRabbitKing]

The title of this video has me dying lmao

[@Freyaundergrowth]

We need to get rid of Twitter it would make the world a better place

[@ProperlyGaming]

TRUEEEEE

[@FelisImpurrator]

Unironically based

[@s0Shi]

yes

[@NIN0ID]

unironically tho

[@tripledigit4835]

Get rid of it, burn that shit in a pyre. Twitter leads to so much toxic discourse.

[@arseniykorchevskiy1564]

Im pretty sure “nega” is like a really common word in Korean so why are these people not mad at like every single Korean movie or show

[@MCKevin289]

I was about to comment the same thing lol.

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

ya I'm not a k-pop listener so when some kpop pops up because some friend put it on or something, I'm always making jokes about "holy shit these kpoppers are fucking racist" there'll be some 20 or so "nega"s in certain songs

[@kale3563]

i hope this is ironic TT

[@arseniykorchevskiy1564]

@@kale3563 ?

[@heddelinpralin1481]

“Nae ga” literally means “I am”. “Ni ga” means “you are” :)))

[@JukeboxTheGhoul]

I feel like this one could bring in a lot of normies but it has a shit title for normies. We badly need lefty representation when it comes to Twitter freak outs and cancel culture. The twitter mob makes us look bad and this could be a good antidote - if it was better titled

[@lostdreams9547]

Yep, they should've called it "a gamer moment" so it could be a more understandable for other people "tactical" is too much of an inside joke.

[@salamantics]

@@lostdreams9547Everyone on earth knew what he was talking about, as Vaush would say you’re optics poisoned.

[@FortuitousOwl]

I love Kpop, I cannot participate in Kpop fandom lol even at the best of times it’s insufferable. What’s ironic about using that Tyra clip is in context Tyra was extremely upset for basically no reason at all and she was 100% overreacting.

[@xXluluchanelXx]

not my worlds colliding on the worst day of my life

[@eliasbanez3412]

this is nothing compared to how bad of what Nicki Minaj did people need to chill

[@wa-bu3ke]

What did Nicki do wrong?

[@roycemikhail5067]

@@wa-bu3ke She’s posted some stupid anti vax shit a few weeks (months?) ago. And somehow fans are defending her

[@Taylor-zh9gy]

@@roycemikhail5067 it’s seriously crazy how the internet can hyperfocus on negligible things (- Kpop idol lipsyncing the n word which they probably don’t even know the meaning of) while also neglecting and even defending other very obviously devastating things (Nicki Minaj spreading anti-vax bullshit)

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@roycemikhail5067 She didn't say anything wrong. Just the usual spin doctors like Vaush

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@Taylor-zh9gy Niki said nothing wrong. Both were fine

[@ofanichan]

I would 100% debate Vaush on Kpop

[@s0Shi]

Would be cool to see 👍 maybe you can email him for a debate? I really want to see Elliot Sang have a discussion with him

[@wickedarctiinae4132]

General Alden would be so proud of said tactics.

[@chunguslongjon9666]

He’s earned his stripes

[@joyylmaowiz]

I agree with a lot of Vaush's takes here, but I do thi k he has certain personal biases that make him somewhat dissmissive when talking about slurs. I agree that accidentally saying a word while singing isnt a big deal, especially if it wasnt yin your first language. I also agree that saying the word in the company of people who you know dont care is also fine since no one's getting bothered by it. It isnt a magic spell that kills a black person whenever someone non black says it, but I dont think its "being weird" to be bothered by a non black person saying it if it's not something you're cool with. Refusal to stop saying it when people around you made it clear that they dont like it is pretty crappy. Like Vaush himself said when talking about anti white racism, even if the consequences of you doing a thing are just hurting people's feelings, being willing to do that makes you a pretty crappy person, and people are right to be irritated by you. Around friends in private, its whatever, but saying it with the knowledge that some people who hear it wont like it doesnt make you a rasict, it just makes you annoying. (I'm saying "you" in a hypothetical sense btw. This isnt directed towards any one person). I get that Vaush grew up in an environment where black people were cool with it being said, and has said it privatley in the past, which makes his perspective somewhat biased. (Not invalid, just biased. He still makes good points). But keep in mind that the argument of "It was normal where I grew up." Is anecdotal, and not a great argument in terms of moral justification. In my experience, black people who are cool with non black people saying it tend to have some rather socially conservative beliefs, while black people I know who dont like it tend to be progressive. Its not hard to draw the conclusion that not caring about the word might be a socially conservative thing, and not something that should be considered the norm. However, that's just my anecdotal experience. You see? In conclusion, I mostly agree with Vaush, but I do this some of his biases and personal experiences scew his perspective somewhat.

[@oh-cx7dr]

exactly, this whole stream was very uncomfortable for me to listen to.

[@joyylmaowiz]

@@oh-cx7dr cant blame you. Vaush is usually great but he do be missing sometimes.

[@s0Shi]

Vaush is pretty weird with his takes sometimes, what you said was perfectly reasonable and fair

[@crypt5129]

I feel like, even if your assessment is correct, tying a certain belief to a group you don't like and then using that as grounds to disagree isn't really a refutation of the belief itself, a broken clock is right twice a day after all

[@dr_birb]

nigga what

[@Demonsta]

I have always hated this debate so, so much. I get the N-word is a sensitive topic that everyone feels differently about, but we really need to separate the conversations about slurs in music and slurs when said as an insult to a minority. They are NOT the same thing, and pretending they are really undermines the wider conversation about the conversational n-word. Beyond that, though, I hate this debate because music should be a universal language. Like, on topic, the wide reach of k-pop is direct evidence that music speaks to other languages and cultures. If you feel like non black people shouldn't be able to sing a word, then it's hypocritical to put that word in a song intended to be heard, enjoyed, and repeated by a non-black audience. These artists can claim their music isn't intended for non-black people but it's bullshit when they're playing it on the radio and letting white people into, and even on stage, at their concerts - that music is meant for anyone they sell it to, lets not forget mainstream music is a product being sold indiscriminately. Music is meant to be enjoyed, it's meant for people to sing along, I think that putting any word in the song is giving the audience permission to say it in the correct context. It's NOT the same as conversational use because in conversation, the intent isn't for someone to be repeating you word for word, but that is often the case with music. When you sing a word in context, it's not directed at anyone, it's not said in hate, it's enjoyment of an artists work. Anyone who would sing a lyric as an excuse just to say the word, probably uses it as a slur anyway, lets not kid ourselves.

[@imbabey]

4:35 bubble is an app where you pay to be able to chat with idols. i have to clue why they censored it tho lol

[@EmpireGamingWynter]

See i didnt even hear that word. I heard it as "nearer" but then I'm actually pretty bad at hearing words in songs 🤣

[@sashawiellette984]

On that part at the end, Kendrick Lamar did that shit but then says dyke in one of his songs. So some people who have this view on white people saying the n word are extremely hypocritical.

[@sashawiellette984]

@@mastermoose8390 You don't get to make demands on other people you're not willing to follow yourself and expect not to be called on it. If racist slurs aren't ok neither are homophobic or misogynistic ones.

[@sashawiellette984]

@Parker I didn't soooo what's your point?

[@hyperx72]

@@mastermoose8390 So, we not only create a word that's just 2 letters off from a slur, but we then popularize it by using it everywhere, make it cool to say by putting it in movies and games and songs, then get to be all mad when someone's caught using it? Does any of this seem reasonable? Does it seem reasonable to create a song with slang in it, invite someone that you don't want to sing that slang to sing it publicly in front of someone, then get pissed off when they start singing the lyrics you wrote? Should we start giving people keys to our cars as well, and being like "WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU USING TURN SIGNALS!"

[@hyperx72]

@@mastermoose8390 So, we're going to pretend like there's not a culture we've made out there that peppers N-words all over the place? If so then can you at least tell me some of Lamar's dialog from GTA V?

[@MariaLima-yf4cs]

@@hyperx72 it's really not hard to skip the n-word in songs dude you're making it look like it's an impossible thing to do lmao

[@Ellipsis115]

12:14 the only important and correct take. 17:50 Onwards is also good.

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

this is one thing i agree with you somewhat on. ive lived 10 years as a kpop fan and before stan twitter, fandom was completely different. i do not use twitter, but everytime i go there or see some kpop ytber quote some stan tweets i physically cringe because so many of these people have no idea what theyre talking about half the time. however, i will say that when i was at my peak teenage girl rabid fangirl phase, a lot of these types of people were on tumblr instead. but they werent as bad back then imo. im very conflicted because while i understand antiblackness is a huge problem in korea, ive witnessed these stans use literal racist asian slurs to call out one group, and then end their tweet with "but anyways stan *other group*" like wtf??????? as a korean myself, asian fetishism is a huge problem among weird ass koreaboos who treat my culture like some aesthetic and glomp random korean dudes on tiktok. then these "fans" say "well, black people cant be racist when the entirety of korea is ANTIBLACK". they will say stuff like "japan is better, at least they dont steal black ideas and try to write it off as their own" and then OUTRIGHT DENY DECADES OF JAPANESE IMPERIALISM that almost erased korea off the map???????? (and giselle is literally japanese so...) they'll say "kpop is a direct copy of black music", which isnt true and put a blanket over the years of american imperialism just to overstate the influence of black culture in korea and the supposed plague of antiblackness that is only present in korea. like yes, its an issue there, colorism is an issue, but how are you going to deny the role that america had in directly turning korea into the toxic capitalist dystopia that it is in the same breath?????? you can still be a xenophobe even if youre not racist......these stans care more about their own agenda, they do not care about the people that make the music they love. they say that korea has no original ideas, that koreans steal other cultures and claim it as their own, but never stop to think why a country that was isolated for centuries and then subjected to such brutal imperialism is trying desperately to appeal to those countries that colonized them. korea is not obsessed with the west, the west is hellbent on making korea obsessed with them.

[@carlogaytan7010]

This is the type of stuff that makes me Black-Pilled about the Left sometimes.

[@quasmoke3553]

Truuuuuu

[@quincyquincy4764]

So right leaning people are ok with the N-word? What makes you think that they are all left leaning?

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

@@quincyquincy4764 Have you heard most righties talk about the N-word? They’re more than ok with it

[@quincyquincy4764]

@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273 That's not true. There are plenty of right wingers who do not use the N-word.

[@blasianking4827]

@@quincyquincy4764 That's true, but do you know how many conservatives are either all like 'it's just a word bro' or go all the way and be like 'why can't white people say it?!' I've seen those exact sentiments time and time again, even during my right-wing phase.

[@lysergicashes1538]

Homie what set you from?

[@sanriodeppressionthermos8602]

If you got everyone making these tweets in a room together it would be like jumping into a can of white paint and opening your eyes.

[@Keldrath]

ppl see demons everywhere even when they close their eyes. I hope that one day they can get over their constant fear of everyone and everything and learn not to be so extra all the time over nothing at all.

[@revenge3265]

It's weird that I can't find anything about it on Twitter

[@prakharbhardwaj303]

“Monkey-flipping snakes on a motor-fracking plane” HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[@Elkator955]

This is nothing but a scapegoat power fantasy. Designate one villain and by defeating them you defeat the concept. It's not about the concept anymore, it's about the ""villain"".

[@tylerhackner9731]

Tactical

[@dawnansara1662]

7:56 i just got fucking flashbanged by words

[@ee-ef8qr]

Get tactical marines - Voosh the 40k fan.

[@nf-fq4pu]

with one foot in kpop and one foot in vaushism, i feel the need to give a bit more clarification/backstory: 1. Giselle is not the first kpop idol to do this, but probably one of the only idols who has lived in america / is fluent in english to do it. She attended an international school as a teenager and had black friends, she should be really familiar with the issue and mouthed it anyway. 2. This was a much bigger deal than most people expected only because she apologized, which is extremely rare for kpop idols. Even if they wanted to apologize, idols from Giselle’s company specifically (SM Ent.) have a reputation for being very silent when racial controversy (usually cultural appropriation) is criticized, or it is edited away and never addressed afterwards. 3. Many kpop idols are given a pass on this because Koreans overall are unfamiliar with racial dynamics, and/or do not have the english skills to understand why the word is harmful. As someone who spent a significant time in America, Giselle can’t really lay claim to these excuses. 4. B*bble is “Bubble”, a paid messaging subscription for idols to privately message their fans. the tweet censored it because fans usually post Bubble messages for free for other fans who can’t pay. Some people have gotten in trouble with the entertainment companies or developers for sharing messages/photos from Bubble onto Twitter. Not saying that this deserves the tidal wave of attention it got, just bringing more backstory for why this got the attention it did.

[@rileywebb4178]

The argument over singing it in a song while non-black is one thing, but I really don't see how lip-syncing it is a controversy at all. How is mouthing it and not even singing it an issue? Is she supposed to also stop dancing while the word is said in the song?

[@nf-fq4pu]

@@rileywebb4178 i don’t think anyone’s saying that she needed to evaporate while the word was said in the song. if you watch any tiktok of a white person lipsyncing to a song with the slur in it, there’s plenty of ways to do it smoothly. as mentioned in the article, she knows to censor herself and she’s done it in the past. as someone constantly in the spotlight, on camera, and professionally trained to be a celebrity, that kind of slip-up is disappointing to her fans. i think the hard emphasis while she did it also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. i don’t see significant difference between it being verbalized or lip-synched, i think the outcome and consequences would’ve been the same and all arguments still stand

[@joeyjose727]

Yeah why can’t we just let fans (even non black fans, idk why he assumes so many of them are white sjws) be upset about another n word controversy in kpop

[@hyperx72]

@@nf-fq4pu Honestly as a Black person it's super frustrating to see people so up in arms about a word that WE made popular. Like, I have enough legitimate problems from racism that I don't need a bunch of idiots dragging a random celebrity when they accidentally sung the wrong lyrics in good faith. And please save the "she should've known better" Actual racist people should know better. People influenced by actual racists need to learn better. A celebrity that slipped and said a word that's a common slang for brother (and, let's be honest, is an extremely arbitrary term with dumb rules that would solve a lot of problems by just not existing), is not the same as a fucking racist who would actually use much worse goddamn language and not apologize for it. And yes, she fucking apologized, shit happens.

[@nf-fq4pu]

@@hyperx72 as i said at the end of my comment i don’t think it deserved the hype it got. i’m only explaining why it did. if my tone came across in any other way i apologize, but it seems like you’re projecting a lot of condemnation on my comment that doesn’t exist. i’m parroting what aespa’s black fans have brought up surrounding this controversy. hope this clears anything up.

[@deeksha1141]

Kpop stans who are not on Twitter are pretty chill. 😬

[@emilyvalentine4565]

This is being suggested to me very shortly after some real big kpop drama/news has gone down (OmegaX, Loona/Chuu vs BBC) and the irony in this story being as big as it was physically pains me. It may have been the big thing at the time and Giselle is from SM entertainment, one of the "Big Three" founding/central companies of the industry, so it makes sense it reached "locals" but there is a bunch of other stuff that could do with the same coverage.

[@s0Shi]

Twitter is just a hellscape that I avoid most of each month Recommend watching videos by bby gang mag / Elliot Sang btw, top tier content

[@dildonius]

Apparently in Korean, the word for "You" is something like "Nii-Ga" and a lot of times when K-Pop artists say "You" in their own language, American wokescolds jump down their throats for saying """the n-word."""

[@jeongbun2386]

omg…never thought Vaush would talk abt the Giselle controversy 😭

[@beebs4283]

this is absolutely ridiculous. i remember when a whole bunch of vtubers accidentally said the n-word because it was said musically in gta and everyone just laughed over it because we all understood they had no way of knowing what meaning that word had, so it was an innocent mistake. that same allowance should be given to other non-english speaking performers

[@heddelinpralin1481]

I studied Korean for 3 years in high school. One of the first things we learned was to say stuff like “I am” (nae ga) and “you are” (ni ga) etc. Our teacher decided to use the only black kid as an example in a sentence, pointed to him and said “NI GA”. When I tell you the class lost it…

[@heddelinpralin1481]

She had no idea why the class just exploded and this was like 10 years ago so I can’t remember exactly what happened but I doubt anyone tried to explain it to her

[@s0Shi]

Oh lord the pain 😭 Quite unfortunate, hopefully that kid at least didn’t feel awkward/uncomfortable

[@heddelinpralin1481]

@@s0Shi I think that out of all kids, he laughed the hardest 🌻 I was pretty close friends with him and I doubt it made him feel uncomfortable 🌻

[@thesilentminority961]

Lol couldn’t even hear the tactical n word.

[@swampmiester7603]

If it isn't their apology to accept then why TF are they sitting there hunting for one?

[@SoniaSephia]

As cringey as it is we got to admit it's kind of wholesome that her fans want to reach out and educate her.

[@otmanh]

Wholesome?! What is wholesome about fans virtue signaling their idols? More toxic like you mean.

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

These twitter wokescolds go after people who lip synced to a song with an n word in it but won't ever go after people who are actually racist and hateful. These sorts of cancellations only work against people who are not racist, people who don't hide the fact they're racist don't care about "being cancelled" on twitter and they don't react with teary apologies and stuff so there is no point in going after them in the eyes of those "justice warriors". It's sad that the only people who get harrased and are bothered by it are not the people who actually deserve to be called out for their hateful beliefs.

[@rickyn3023]

What is with the first minute of every Vaush video? They used to blur out chat, and I still don’t understand that, but now they just cover it up by zooming on Vaush. I feel uncomfortably close 👁👄👁

[@logarhythmic6859]

Naughty text on screen in the first minute can demonetize a video.

[@Blakbox92]

@@logarhythmic6859 Literally Jorge Orville's 1994

[@AnnaCarenina]

It's the fact that I've been using the "tactical" euphemism in my daily life and I'm not from an English speaking country to begin with, that's what I love for this community. *Insert Gabbie Hannah "I'm so proud of this community" meme here*

[@princessjello]

I legit thought this whole this was about how a korean word sounds like the n word. Somehow this is even stupider

[@spluff5]

I've experienced a similar thing as a gay man with the F-slur. White straight women care... a lot

[@s0Shi]

I can only imagine how painful that must be. (I remember my MIL telling straight to my face how she would vote for Pete Buttigieg 💀)

[@prioritalpanic629]

Yeah, being black and gay makes this situation really akward. Like yeah, people shouldn't just say slurs so casually 99% of the time, but it's never like "you said the Evil Word and now you've laid a curse amongst the community" Living in the south there's alot of white people that have grown up in communities heavily mixed with black culture. So every now and then they use the n-word by acdident or whatever without thinking of it. And sometimes straight people casually use the terms dyke or fag when their gay friends are cool with reclaiming it. There's boundaries, and alot of the times it's better to not say slurs much at all to stay safe. But there's context and it's really odd when people jump on eachother so fervently while actual bigots don't get the same push back. I can tell when someone does an oopsie or grew up with it and is actually being a jerk trying to hurt me.

[@burkles4456]

Lol she barely even lip-synced it! Next she’s gonna get cancelled for just playing the song 🙄.

[@christian2i]

"wrongful word" has to signal sassy spicy irony, no way they made her believe that's a thing.

[@jjdude5531]

might as well have said the forbidden word

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

I really like kpop. But I wouldn’t touch that fandom with ten foot pole. Lol

[@s0Shi]

I like various songs, but don't care to engage much with fandoms or other aspects beyond the music, still sucks when people buy into ignorant takes without much thought though :(

[@FNLNFNLN]

If the original use of the slur was acceptable, directly quoting it is acceptable.

[@comchia4306]

My favorite tactical person is Worf.

[@millsnerd]

Profile pic checks out.

[@kasane1337]

Offsides, like how Worf rides with starfleet?

[@idunno7427]

Gotta love Twitter

[@marlowbrickaz6723]

After seeing the tweet saying "if u r disappointed with Giselle block me" is peak levels of racism, I felt so relieved that maybe my birthnation of germany might no longer be remembered as the country commiting the worst racism ever

[@salamantics]

Sorry dude, we’ll still jokingly call you jerries

[@afluffywhitekitty8589]

i hate twitter i want twitter to byebye

[@s0Shi]

Your comment and pfp have matching energies, it’s great

[@dragunov815]

Tactical slurs!

[@javinthompson1909]

I still don’t know where the n-word was

[@jonathanschmidt7874]

Could we all just... you know... delete Twitter?

[@shariffsrisorayut6138]

I know she was wrong, but as an asian I would say that I just really know about this sensitive cultural thing (don't know how to explain, sorry for my English) I mean if I don't use twitter and tiktok, I would never know what is n word and how is it bad to say the word. These day asian people is getting realized more about it. I wish everyone would understand and I think asians (and especially kpop circle (as it is universal and is getting known internationally)) should emphasize this point. Thank you black people for understanding, accepting apologies, and giving us time for learning cultures.🥰

[@quixote_7]

This might be old but I'm afro Hispanic and ii say it, one time a white roommate of mines tried telling me I can't say it and I was like "wtf" lol

[@fredthehuman6455]

I feel like a lot of ppl can be cringe about their reactions in this thread. But i feel it was right for her to apologize and we shouldn't be making excuses for "levels of racism" lmao. Seeing as a lot of ppl that are into kpop are anywhere from 12-25 (not a fan personally) and you acknowledge u can get weird vibes just hearing it from certain ppl, i think it's fair that fans were taken aback. So far misses in recent times are only this and the discord misogyny stuff. Still love the work u do!

[@MajorBlabberJabber]

Yeah I agree. I dont like how some people are actively arguing in the comments that saying the N word okay because of a few weird people on twitter

[@fredthehuman6455]

@@MajorBlabberJabber it's disturbing to say the least. I feel like a consequence of Vaush trying to maintain the "edgy nature" prevents him from outright condemning shit at times as to not appear "too lib"

[@Soren59]

What exactly about saying the word 'nigga', devoid of context, is racist exactly? I hear it said so often yet I've never heard a convincing explanation.

[@salamantics]

@@fredthehuman6455You are chronically online. Try experiencing actual racism.

[@Thegr8MC]

I think this whole controversy is just a dumb waste of time. Maybe I'm a little biased since I spent a lot of time around white, Hispanic and Asian people who said n***a all the time and none of our black friends had a problem with it, but even ignoring all that, I think anyone can tell the difference between someone saying the A version when singing along with a song or paling around with friends and saying the hard R version to be offensive or racist. Even though Asians get quite the bad rap regarding their views on black people, I just don't see any malicious intent with Giselle. Twitter! Please focus on things that are important!

[@eadred9164]

Tactical you say...

[@trashrabbit69]

K-Pop? Is this Keurig's venture into soda making?

[@carlogaytan7010]

Is this what the young'ns are into?😂

[@s0Shi]

perhaps it's the new soda-cereal brand for Kellogs

[@robynsummer7068]

Few things make me cringe harder than white teenagers on twitter competing to be the most performatively woke.

[@HistorySucksV]

Didn’t know that vowsh had fans in Korea, they definitely learned it for the master of tactics himself.

[@luc_theriault]

Never knew ill enjoy a vaush's take. Im conservative and mostly not on vaush side 90% of the time. But i gotta say that I enjoyed this video. ngl. Vaush is 100% right on this one

[@ApolloCalrissian]

*Gen Z was a mistake*

[@thatgirlcalledleah3517]

Music makes you lose control PEPE

[@xinic5]

The last girl I dated was half white, half Hispanic and she'd say the n word all the time. And it was awkward. Lol She grew up around people who talked like that.

[@bigbawlzlebowski8886]

I grew up in a black and Latino area. Latinos no matter what skin tone could say it.

[@TheBasedGreeg]

I just checked Twitter again for some reason, and holy shit, tons of these people are still calling her a white supremacist and shit…

[@subroy7123]

I like how most of the people calling out the "tactical" move are also the people doing digital blackface.

[@whateveridk6139]

hmm I still feel like given the option to say the n word you probably shouldn't, even mouth it plus at the end of the day idols are gonna go with what the fans feel, and if the fans feel need for apology maybe apology should be made, especially more if black fans are in fact offended this reminds me of another case a few months ago where heeseung, a member of male kpop group enhypen, probably sang the n word while singing ironically the same song as giselle here. fans asked for an apology/explanation for awhile but one never came, and now the fandom has generally gone back to normal business and doesn't talk about it. sorta odd, but as I'm not black I've sorta gone along with the rest and stopped caring too much.

[@bixierin951]

No body knows what SZA is saying in her songs. I didn’t even know she said the n-word in the original.

[@ruddiko]

As a kpop fan of over 15 years, this is all BASED

[@seaayareteeeearezedejayohe1401]

Does it really matter as it is a Song lyrics....🧐

[@SimonD992]

I agree with all of this, but the only thing that I think that must be added is also that some words for example are and can only be used in derogatory ways such as the word spick, I'm Latino, I have fairly African features and grew up in South Africa, I generally use the N-word as a term of endearment cause in South Africa if you're non-white it's ok to use the term because it doesn't have as heavy cultural connotations in our history, we have worst words. But if a person used the word spick or kaffir on me I would immediately know that person is not using it as a term of endearment towards me, they're using it as a racial slur because those words are never in any context used outside of racial insults latinos don't call each other spick and black africans don't call each other kaffir, these are only racist terms. But apart I agree.

[@Mitchthemysteryman]

What song was that? I don't even think it was an English song, sounds Korean.

[@XioriannaEBDjinn]

Is this seriously the take dude? Why

[@robiu013]

how do they know she didn't mouth a replaced word?

[@zionbrink513]

Also white girls love to tell me as a POC how to feel about these sorta issues

[@soliddragon5571]

So glad I'm not a part of the kpop community some of the fans are really deranged