By Sept the Marner haters will have calmed down. He's a gifted player. The cap hit that is crushing the Leafs is Tavares's.

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If Tavares is willing to sign for 5 million a year on an extension any team would want him especially the Leafs.

One thing people forget is that we could drop heavily and end up like Ottawa. We need do a pay cut and add some players that way. We would still have to replace JT at center. He will take 5mil for sure. Marner needs a talk to change his game slightly. Just shoot more. We need to add more d.

Why is this still a conversation? JT will sign a discount, stay captain, and become 3C. Mitch will refuse to move. Just stop pretending anything happens. Berube is coach. Nothing else changes.

It all starts behind-the-bench, w/the coach & the special teams coaches, if Marner and JT stay one more year.

Leafs will have to pay to move Tavares’ contract. There will be nothing of value coming back to absorb that $ amount

Then there up shits creek because guarantee both players will walk when they become free agents and get nothing in return many times this has happened with leaf players

Marner reminds me of a 12 year old peewee player. Talented but physically very weak.

Tavares was never required to begin with He sold out for a measles $1M more He was baited He fell for the bait This is why to this very day he is hated by NYI

tavares is the softest worst captain ive ever watched. he screwed both isles and leafs by signing with the leafs🤣

No matter who The Leafs trade they will be much better off elsewhere MLSE money and gambling corrupts MLSE REQUIRES A REBUILD

Leafs are closer to a tear down than a cup run. The team is just all wrong.

Marner will be traded, Tavares will stay and the leafs will sign or trade for one of Montour, Tanev or Pesce

The trades need to be made before the season starts, if Marner refuses he will have a hard time with the fans. Its in his best interest to give out his list.

They can't be traded because they are useless.

Mariners got to go or sit in the press box all season getting the money anywhere else is doing the same thing as last year and every other season mixing up the bottom players and say it’s a different team and a new look

Trade for Hyman and 25 first rounders for a Matthews,Marner, Tavares.

Moving JT and Mitch likely wouldn’t help the Leafs in the regular season - but likely would win the Leafs another first round series next year. They both are difference makers in the playoffs - but for the wrong/negative reasons. 😀

your aware the only person as a possible move is marner, tavaras will stay and sign a MASSSIVE team friendly deal

2:05 if Tavares took a significant pay cut and signed.... The Leafs would be stupid not to sign him. He's a great player, his cap hit is not.

Do a Marner swap with Ehlers, sign him to a fair contract and take their 1st as well.

They don’t waive leafs run it back and lose in the first round, Mitch signs elsewhere in free agency next summer and Tavares signs for like 5.5x3

Tavares has 2 playoff series wins in 15 seasons. He has 23 goals and 23 assists in 62 playoff games, which translates into a 60 point season over an 82 game season. For a first overall pick and $11 million per year, he certainly has not been a difference maker in the playoffs. I'm sure he won't waive his no trade clause anyway, but I don't know how much interest teams would have in him given his salary and age. Marner is the Leaf's best shot at getting back a decent return.

While it is possible they don’t waive their NMC, I don’t see a scenario where they wouldn’t if asked. I think Treliving and Shanny would make it clear they won’t be resigned and that they aren’t part of the leafs plans going forward. Why would they wanna stay in a toxic environment instead of getting a fresh start. However is gets done I get a feeling the parting of ways between player and team won’t be a pretty one. I think Mitch is the one getting moved. Cause moving JT would involve taking back a contract that is likely going to be bad or eating half or close to half of his salary which would just be a lateral move. Plus Mitch will get you the pieces you need.

move reilly, keep marner tavares up next year

Marner & Tavares have gotten over on the management it isnt there fault that they have the NMC but with this being said it wouldn't surprise me if they play for Toronto & walk next off-season. Who is to blame for this only 1 person "SHANASCAM" he is the incompetent person who gave them the world here. Knowing how Marner is with the media he probably embraces being the villian he speaks like one & the other Tavares just speaks in a monotone like a damn corporate robot politician. The fan base are so sick & tired of these core 4 players speaking like greedy politicians showing no emotional investment on the team they only show emotion when they want M💰NEY! i was totally against signing Tavares i knew the franchise would overpay for him & when is this organization gonna grow a backbone & get tough in negotiations with these entitled players. Look at how Vegas deals with players they are ruthless & cutthroat they put WINNING the Cup 🏆 ahead of players WOKE greedy FEELINGS! All the Leafs players play for is the name on the back of the jersey not the crest on the front from what i see...

Mega Rant Incoming. If they're not willing to what's best for the team, then I say F' em. Tank the season and start over again. I know you haven't been listening to me when I say we should have blown this fukkin team up 3 years ago, but how many more seasons and playoff years do you need before you realize that GREAT change needs to be made?! So.. we're gonna run it back one more year, with the Core 5 and Shanahan.. putting players around those people to try and make it work just because 2 players refuse to move on?! Fuck right off! AND.. Rogers is already trying to put positivity in your heads, making it seem like great change is in the works.. how many more years do we need to be fooled by the same old song and dance before actual, real, change is made?! This franchise will always make money.. even if we lose in the first round of the playoffs... look... we're talking about the Leafs' season next year, right now, while the 2nd round is still playing out! This has got to stop. REAL change needs to be made. Trade everyone of the core 5.. yes, even Matthews.. if he's going to be the best player in the NHL on a team that continuously loses in the first round, what's the use of him being on our team when we can start over and develop someone else. To be continued, my friend...

Its the same old, same old situation... Motley Crue.

Tavares may not be what he was, but he still seems to be in on big goals. He sent us to the 2nd round he drove the net on Knies game winner. I don't mind keeping him for another year then the haircut as you said. Tbh

Matthews is a shitty player.

Bench them all season.

If you can't trade them then take the wash of the season and deal with it the falling season. That means keep the same team. So the players will have no points and trying to go to another team will low ball them. Problem solved!

Thank you for finally saying that. I've been arguing with my friends forever since the horrific loss to Boston a few weeks back that you cannot trade these guys if they don't want to be traded. Then they turn around and say well they say they love to run on they want the best so leave and I would ask didn't Mats Sundin say the same damn thing? He could have waved his no trade clause and get Toronto something but no he played out and walked. I hope these two guys do the same thing. The NHL is a business and these guys are businessmen and as much as I want Toronto to win the Stanley Cup, at the end of the day it's up to the individual. Here's something after this embarrassment, there's a possibility that Mitch may come back a different person because the only thing that's wrong with him is that he soft. I wish people will be willing to say that's his problem. He is soft. I don't know how you change that because it's a mindset. He has to agree that I got to get nasty or a little bit grittier out there to be a better player. Now a hard-ass coach can probably bring that out of him. Maybe that's where Babcock was going.

Can the leafs afford to lose Tavares and Marners production and finish top 3 in the Atlantic it will be hard

Send them to the minors

Leafs won't offer contract to Johnny t if he won't elingush n m c

JT has lost a step or a few, i think he stays here, retires to a front office job, much like Spezza did....Marner may do leafs a solid, give them a short list, maybe Florida suits him, sun ocean and no tax....its a possibility, but i know about as much, sometimes less, than what other fans may know.

It'd be a terrible result if you had to lose Kampf and Jarnkrok because Marner wasn't movable. They weren't the problem in the playoffs.

The way Toronto treated Marner, id reject every trade and walk to FA so Leafs get no assets

They can and lots of teams have asked about Marner already. I think Nashville would trade for their goalie.If he doesn't want to trade just play hardball.You shouldn't do that with Tavares going forward it would be very hard to find a 3rd line center as good as Tavares that can win face offs.

That's not the space they would have!! Either of these guys are agreeing to go somewhere not looking to win now, so where ever they get traded to will need to send cap space back

Leafs need to make changes because other teams are right behind them, Devils. Sens, Penguins, Habs. If they stay the same they might not make the playoffs next year.

Concerning Jarnkrok across his career of 699 regular season and 93 playoff games, if you look at average goals per game, he has the lowest amongst the top 2 lines (regular season and playoffs). He has the lowest average assists per game (regular and playoff). He is 32 years old. We should put that into perspective before looking at JT (who is 33 and has significantly better numbers)- rather than just looking at cap space gains.

thats fine and dandy but it could get ugly really quick if it comes out both say no i.e, healthy scratch, booing

Then I don't waste my time watching the Leafs next year! Guarantee a loss if they run it back!

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Question: What are your thoughts on resigning John Klingberg if he would sign to like 2M?

What GM would ever try to get such underachieving players with such huge contracts. Theres a structural problem with the Leafs and the whole league has seen it and maybe learned something