That is wild haha! Protected only right for personal vehicles and thru movements for authorized vehicles with updated signal placements.
@JabberwockybirdКүн бұрын
To be fair, that's a lot of signs and lights to read in a short amount of time. It's technically got the info, but realistically you would be holding up traffic to stop and read it all
@fatvegan7332 күн бұрын
Install a bloody camera and be done with it.
@Todd.T2 күн бұрын
Six different signs with lights on them and six other signs with words on them. Drive at 40kmh and you have a problem. Now pretend you don't speak/read English really well. Add a delviery van that stops you from seeing the signs until the last minute, jaywalking people, lane splittling cyclists and a firestruck/ambulance with a horn and wailing lights. Add bad driving habits from somewhere else that add the logic of if a car can squeeze into any space, it's OK and pull a U-Turn anywhere you feel like it.
@jacobs10472 күн бұрын
way too many fucking signs
@frafraplanner92772 күн бұрын
As an American, Québec traffic lights look absolutely ridiculous
@koraytugay2 күн бұрын
A Do No Enter and a One Way sign pointing to the right would solve it. A traffic light that is permanently red makes no sense.
@koraytugay2 күн бұрын
They should put more signs with more text.
@nswtrains31532 күн бұрын
To confusing without a do not enter sign
@nswtrains31532 күн бұрын
In Australia NSW, we use red arrows to the left or right if pedestrians are crossing, it’s much safer and I don’t know why it’s only NSW Australia ( from what I know)
@j-bird17782 күн бұрын
The amount of signs is very confusing. A simple right turn only sign and a no entry sign would work fine. Also, the transit only lanes seem poorly marked. Bright red muni style lanes would likely help.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
@@j-bird1778 Agreed! Queen's Quay at Spadina has red paint on the streetcar tracks and a "do not enter streetcars excepted" sign. The Quebec province uses "right turn only" signs! They should do the same and put "right turn only buses, TTC vehicles and authorized vehicles excepted" sign. It's also labeled as "P-110-2-D" in the Ministry Transportation Quebec road sign book manual.
@404_profile_not_found2 күн бұрын
6 different sets of lights for one direction of travel and 1.5 lanes. Then you add on the multitude of signs for drivers to read when they reach that set of lights. If you know that intersection or the rules for that section of road, its probably not an issue. But imagine being an ESL driver or tourist and having to parse that amount of signage with rules.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
@@404_profile_not_found that's true
@delicious_seabass2 күн бұрын
Toronto is such a ridiculous city. It's totally confusing for anyone who hasn't driven there before. Furthermore, the reason why people want to continue down King is because the next street to go west is several blocks north, and getting there involves sitting in tons of traffic. The TTC is a complete joke and the streetcars need to go, period. Just have one way vehicle dedicated roads, one on King for Westbound and another on Queen for Eastbound. Make another street dedicated for pedestrians and bikes, perhaps Adelaide. That would solve 95% of the issues.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
@@delicious_seabass I 100% agree that streetcars in "mixed traffic" need to go. Streetcars should run either on its own dedicated lanes (like Spadina or St Clair), or just simply have it run underground or on an elevated right of way. I am actually looking into a solution to this as well. What I had in mind is to make King St a one way eastbound, and Wellington St is already a one way westbound. Streetcars already run on Wellington St from Church St to York St. Streetcars won't be held by anyone who is confused. Another benefit with streetcars running on one way streets means drivers can actually legally pass a streetcar on the left side when it's stopped letting people on and off on the right side. The only drawback with Wellington being used as the one way westbound, means it can only go from Church St to either Peter St or Spadina (without major intersection reconstruction/redesigning). Other than that, I agree with making King St and Queen St one way pairs. 👍 Thank you for your suggestion! 👍
@j-bird17782 күн бұрын
I definitely prefer this over simply holding the light red for a few moments. Never really made sense to block through traffic that doesn't conflict with pedestrians.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
@@j-bird1778 You said it! 👍 I 100% agree and really want Toronto to use this anywhere when pedestrians have a head start from turning traffic.
@drsheikh2 күн бұрын
Garbage. There are 200 cars lined up, and a CHAPTER worth reading that in a busy intersection - Such cars are not allowed on such days of the week between such and such times. New drivers are dumbfounded. Downtown needs to get rid of the street cars that slows down traffic.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
@@drsheikh I 100% agree with getting rid of streetcars from "mixed traffic". Streetcars should either have their own dedicated lanes (like Spadina or St Clair), or have streetcars run underground or elevated.
@Aphrx2 күн бұрын
It's not really signal priority since I've still seen streetcars having to stop at a red for opposite traffic. It's more of a technically to be able to have a way to enforce the "Can't go straight on king street" since now it's just a red light that is allowing for right turns.
@Krueger4442 күн бұрын
I'm a fan of reallocating road space for transit and cycling. But that initial light setup is 12 kinds of confusing at a first glance.
@DmitriyLaktyushkin2 күн бұрын
Sorry but this is awful design during the day, never mind at night. Once turned onto Allen Rd when bike signal went green because when you have a thousand G/Y/R signals all rammed in the same place and you are unfamiliar with area sometimes you just get confused no matter how good you are at driving otherwise. If a lot of people are failing to heed the signage there are reasons other than all of them being bad.
@awahhabmir2 күн бұрын
Looks like a comic book. A bad one lol
@NathanShantz2 күн бұрын
Yo this is confusing! They should have a sign saying NO CARS. That may help, ttc and other services know that they can go straight. It would be interesting to see what Google and Apple Maps tells drivers!
@Gentrol2 күн бұрын
I love this intersection! Too bad it got upgraded :(
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
@@Gentrol I know :( I miss the gentrols being there. At least nothing changed with the signal phasing!
@kino_cinante3 күн бұрын
This why painted roads for transit only are helpful. Or go full European and have motorized bollards that move down only for transit and police.
@ltaproductions79893 күн бұрын
Transit Planner here, what needs to be done is either pedestrinize king street and be done with it, or replace the transit traffic light with the international transit signal, will be a lot harder to mistake a ( I ) and a ( -- )
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
I 100% agree with using a horizontal and vertical line for the transit signal! I just wish Ontario would legalize it. Right now, only vertical transit lines are allowed in Ontario, which is considered an "all movement" priority.
@colinwinogradoff67943 күн бұрын
Well of course there's confusion. 5 different signals and like 20 signs all over the place. Just one more step to BAN private cars from driving here.
@jaysedan2 күн бұрын
I thought private motor vehicles are already prohibited from occupying railcar only lanes, kind of like how cars are not permitted to continue straight through an intersection where explicitly prohibited (for private motorists) as indicated by observable roadsigns that are implemented with the intent of providing adequate and expeditious operation of public transport vehicles therefore decreasing wait times, increasing reliability, and improving safety and efficiency in addition to quality of life improvements for those who rely on public transportation for their daily commutes to-and-from work. But that could just be me 😅
@colinwinogradoff67942 күн бұрын
@@jaysedanno, it's a shared street both cars and trams have traditionally shared the same right of way. You can see the tracks are flush with the road surface. They're called street CARS for a reason.
@sblack533 күн бұрын
Interfering with the flow of a transit vehicle should be an automatic license suspension. This includes not yielding to buses pulling out of a stop.
@LoneHowler3 күн бұрын
I find it wild that cars are even allowed on the transit lane. In Calgary only transit and emergency vehicles are permitted down the transit way
@carlmenger91453 күн бұрын
Do you know if google maps allows for routes going straight or turning left?
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
I don't think Google maps knows about it.
@BigCorgisGTJourneys2 күн бұрын
google maps shows correct turning restrictions.
@frafraplanner92773 күн бұрын
Maybe Canada should use the horizontal and vertical bar signals for public transit like the US does
@Ayeobe3 күн бұрын
Montreal has those, actually.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98522 күн бұрын
I 100% agree. It's unfortunately not legal in Ontario right now. Only vertical transit bars are legal in Ontario, which is considered as an "all movement" priority for transit.
@Aphrx2 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852It's weird cause some parts have the vertical line. I've seen it at Queens Quay and Bathurst. It's kind of half and half though, still has a red light but looks like 'green' is replaced with a white vertical line, to avoid confusion to the operators I assume.
@AmtrakProductions3 күн бұрын
Smart
@TheRealCartman13 күн бұрын
At 6:20 the red car did the correct way, right turn into right lane then signal for lane change. You did it the wrong way, cutting across into the left lane. And honking at car pulled over is just stupid. Get a life and clean up your own driving.
@edgarwideman7373 күн бұрын
Pause the video at 2:00 and ask yourself. How in the WORLD are you supposed to figure out what that mess all means. I think it's more of a UI problem then mischievous motorists.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98523 күн бұрын
As much as I somewhat agree with you, you'd be surprised to see how many Torontonians don't pay attention to or ignore "no left/right turn signs at other Toronto intersections such as Lakeshore Blvd, Woodbine Ave, Eglinton Ave, or at other downtown intersections. Especially when left turns are prohibited only at certain times of day. It's been so bad there, that they had to install LED blank out "no left turn" signs at intersections. The LED "no left turn" sign lights up during the no left turn hours. They even had to add an "oversized" no left turn sign on Lakeshore Blvd! But yes, comparing it to King St & Yonge, King St & Yonge is worse, but not by too much.j
@youdonwannaknowmeКүн бұрын
We should use pictographs instead of so much text. Hasn't that been the general approach/direction we've been using for all signage? There are other ways signage could have been simplified too.
@TheTrafficTech3 күн бұрын
Is there any current conditions where the vehicle signals turn green?
@jacksonbourrettransportati98523 күн бұрын
Nope. The yellow vehicle signal will never turn green. The city did that, because they think it will increase the chances that drivers will follow the "no going straight" sign. It allows drivers to stop and read the signage. Only public transit, cyclists and other authorized vehicles are allowed to go straight, which have their own dedicated signal heads that turn green each cycle.
@TheTrafficTech3 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 interesting! Yeah I’d opt to go with a vehicle signal with right arrows only. Might be less confusing for the simple minded haha!
@jacksonbourrettransportati98523 күн бұрын
Yeah I never saw a setup like that prior to these new changes here! I thought for sure that fully protected right turn signal heads would be used, when I first heard of the planned signal changes. I suspect they want the red ball to be displayed at all times, because unauthorized vehicles aren't ever allowed to go straight. They could do that with fully protected right turn signal heads too. I remember reading that the city wanted unauthorized vehicles that illegally go straight to be considered as running a red light, so the fines are a lot more harsh. If any green indication is displayed without a red ball, it's not considered as running a red light. Toronto really wants to maximize the penalty for unauthorized going straight.
@moho4723 күн бұрын
I agree, and I mentioned this in a comment on a blog post, but someone said that the solid red is more communicative. I disagreed by saying that the red/yellow arrows would communicate to drivers that they must turn right only. If I recall, the MTO doesn't actually have a rule for coloured arrows, except for advanced Greens/Ambers @@TheTrafficTech
@TheTrafficTech3 күн бұрын
@@moho472 yeah I noticed that. Still, a right only protected signal would get the point across here. One less display to look at. The authorized vehicles signal could be mounted on the left mast arm and vehicle signals plus bicycle could be mounted on the right.
@xavierlafontaine1213 күн бұрын
Imagine honking at parked cars lmao, you need a hobby dude
@colinwinogradoff67944 күн бұрын
Let's put up 5 different kinds of signals and a novel length sign. City planners are getting dumber. No wonder people are confused. Just another government step to BAN drivers from the city.
@markberg61974 күн бұрын
Another thing the full traffic light is confusing and a waste if it never turns green replace them with a full right turn traffic light a red yellow and green right turn arrow only no green ball that would stop people holding up the street car waiting for the light to turn green
@markberg61974 күн бұрын
The current problem is that Queen Street is closed on the same stretch so people are detouring onto king to avoid traffic on Richmond Adelaide and Dundas
@WestCoastTrafficSignals4 күн бұрын
Regarding the signage, an option could be replacing the “no straight thru” signage with “Do Not Enter” signs. In Vancouver, heading westbound on Granville St approaching Smithe St, general traffic is forced to turn left while buses & authorized vehicles can go straight. They just have “Do Not Enter - Except Authorized Vehicles” signs on the far-side, with a standard green ball signal. Smithe is a one-way street, so not an Apples-to-Apples comparison. But still, it’s a different way to sign it.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98524 күн бұрын
Why not do that here in Toronto? I 100% agree with you! I think the only reason they didn't do that, is because unauthorized vehicles are allowed to turn onto King St from another street. It's just through/left movements specifically from King St that aren't allowed. Maybe put "Do Not Enter" signs nearside only, or have it say "Do Not Enter from King St".
@jacktattersall94573 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 What about putting a sign saying "DO NOT ENTER - Except Authorized vehicles and local traffic". The other benefit of that is making it clear to drivers turning onto King Street from the beginning that they can only use it for local traffic (such as to access garages and loading bays only entered off King Street). Part of the issue I think is that drivers turn onto King Street and then suddenly realize that the traffic controls won't let them go straight and get confused. If drivers were aware from the beginning that this is a local traffic road and not an alternative to Queen Street, they would be less likely to be going through that "traffic signal computation phase" at the next intersection.
@WestCoastTrafficSignals4 күн бұрын
My biggest issue with this setup isn’t even the signage, it’s the R-Y-G signal being used for streetcars/authorized vehicles. Apparently it’s really a problem at nighttime, since the signs are less visible. I think it would help if they replaced the green aspect with a vertical transit bar. Although I think you’ve said that a vertical transit bar in Ontario means all movements, not just straight-thru? Another option could be installing a vertical white transit bar on top of the vehicle signal, although that’d lack a yellow indication for streetcars.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98524 күн бұрын
I agree with that option, if only a vertical white transit bar would mean through only. If this was Quebec, they would have definitely done that, since they have several different types of white bars for transit.
@OntarioTrafficMan3 күн бұрын
That's correct. If we had multiple types of transit bar we could use the diagonal ones for turns, freeing up the vertical one for thru movements such as here.
@jacktattersall94573 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 Why can't the vertical bar be used to mean streetcars/buses can proceed, whether that is through movement or a turn since in either case cross traffic would be stopped (which puts a turning vehicle in front of the next wave of cars on the cross street)? It's not like an indication for yellow is required for buses/streetcars/authorized vehicles.
@moho4723 күн бұрын
@@jacktattersall9457Not in the MTO book for allowed signals, other than the vertical white bar. I believe Traffic Man mentioned to me in another comment a while back that Waterloo got an exception to the rule when they built the ION LRT.
@ltaproductions79893 күн бұрын
@@moho472 Can confirm, I work for the YRT, all of our transit leading intersections, look at Bathurst and Centre street, BRT signals have 4 aspects, red yellow green and on top, a transit signal, funny enough, because the BRT is only allowed to proceed on the transit signal, that light has never turned green!
@suraj96954 күн бұрын
People are frustrated with hard life and traffic on roads.People are losing their Canadian patience and being aggressive like india
@jacksonbourrettransportati98524 күн бұрын
Same here
@frafraplanner92773 күн бұрын
A lot of people from India live in Canada now
@Alex_Mitchell4 күн бұрын
Turning right? Turn into the right hand lane! Turing left? Turn into the left hand lane! Don't complain about people who do it properly and then signal to move to the other lane when you've done it improperly.
@jacksonbourrettransportati98524 күн бұрын
Assuming you're referring to 6:21, If only 1 lane can turn right, I don't care which lane people turn into as long as it's safe, after checking. this is a T-intersection, and I checked the driveways and the nearby intersection before I made my move. What I don't like, is if people drive in a way that holds traffic, or if it impedes other people's safety (except obnoxious road users excluding those honking because they want to go or pass). If all the lanes are clear and safe, I only turn into the left lane if: - I want to pass someone going slower. - There are vehicles parked in the right lane. - I am turning left within a few hundred meters. Obviously if 2 or more lanes can turn right, then I always stay in the lane I started in. Slow drivers drive me nuts!
@Alex_Mitchell4 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 There were two incidents. I don't plan to review the video in order to confirm your overreaction.
@SeanB885 күн бұрын
All of those flash rates are weird. The ped clear is not 50% or even, or the right speed hahaha
@nickf64475 күн бұрын
The garbage truck is allowed to dive down the wrong direction if its on his planned route .
@jacksonbourrettransportati98524 күн бұрын
I never knew that garbage trucks are allowed to drive the wrong way on a one way street. Signage should be adjusted to inform the public. In my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to drive the wrong way just like any other motor vehicle. Thank you for letting me know! 👍
@nickf64474 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 The automatic arm that collects the garbage is only on one side of the truck , it speaks for itself .
@jacksonbourrettransportati98524 күн бұрын
@@nickf6447 if there an automated arm on the right side of the garbage truck, then that's fine. I just don't know if there is one. Shouldn't there be an automated arm on both sides of the garbage truck?
@nickf64474 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 i guess its not possible to have it on both sides its a pretty bulky system . its effective and important for worker safety and time management .
@randomcube9996 күн бұрын
Nice... Except it takes a million years to just turn on the crosswalk light. Ive never seen such a long phase before a green for pedestrians. (Im not gonna call it white. Its green in my country. Idc.)
@frafraplanner92772 күн бұрын
We even call it green in the US (we're not going to tell our kids to wait for the "white man" to cross the street)
@randomcube9992 күн бұрын
@@frafraplanner9277 On the other hand, we do have white flashing light on railroad crossings to tell you it is safe to cross. 😅
@Gentrol8 күн бұрын
Awesome video! Definitely one of my favourite setups in Quebec City.
@kelv31578 күн бұрын
I was there when they installed the arrow!
@kelv31578 күн бұрын
This is the new toronto city construction spec from what i’ve heard
@jacksonbourrettransportati98528 күн бұрын
I never knew they updated the specifications! I've seen some intersections such as Highway 27 & Finch Ave, Highway 27 & Humber College Blvd, where they just installed the permanent signals this month, after years of construction. They only installed one signal per direction that displays the green arrow. Most intersections that I see being reconstructed or redesigned have 2 signal heads that display the green arrow. I've seen the green arrow not working before for the northbound median signal at Don Mills & Eglinton. There isn't a second signal head that has a left green arrow there, and people were so confused.
@NKisilAirconditioners9 күн бұрын
I ❤ ur vids
@jacksonbourrettransportati98528 күн бұрын
Aw thank you so much! That really means a lot to me! 😊
@NKisilAirconditioners8 күн бұрын
@@jacksonbourrettransportati9852 you just gained your 114th subscriber